216 - Catastrophe Jim
Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine James Scott and what he did during The Great Flood of 1993.
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then this evening today a yet this evening I'll be at a bar Lou that she's doing some standup comedy and eight for the über the man that I loove and I yet Stephen honestly say and don't ever go to this office on the essentials much and I on the streets J the twentieth nineteen sixty hot date James Scott was born in Illinois he grew up in the town of Quincy on the Mississippi River Quincy had at one time been the second largest city the nineteenth century was a bustling area that linked river boats and trains share important now was get off the boat to get off the boat can't remember the song The Village People song is love thats I get off the boat get on that right Yeah the city guides for skyscraper nineteen twenty five a third for kids just cocky CA now the AI how much bigger can we get light thingys now it's first bridge was built across the Mississippi in nineteen thirty when James was born in nineteen sixty nine the city population was at its peak around forty five thousand to the dog is just looking deep into my yes no the dog the Ducks' second around James had a normal Midwestern life growing up I got average grades in school was athletic playing soccer and football he was a quote real sports not seen as no problems but things started going south just thirteen years old that's when James began his reputation as a bad seed he is brother Jeff burned down Webster elementary high school Oh that's all right if you're going bad go bad I mean that's that's evil go go full bore the very bad don't mess around very bad something like You know it's not it's not not my thing with the kid runs back ego You pare down the school the boys you've done it again with TSO hundred thousand square foot school destroyed James had dreams of grander than I He burned on the school he sat in his bed awake for most of the night thinking about what he'd done he newspapers would cover the story and maybe even TV stations he was about to become a celebrity with one drawback being he couldn't tell anybody that he had burned down the school well he was caught and so begins life of crime due to the juvenile status don't know what happened tome but they were caught we know that the Voyager it was adult yeah probably was a fun little race got a lot put a thirteen year old in the fucking fed up and get in the pan thirteen year old you will click Amanda burden to school then what are you treated like a woman imprisoned wait why I made a mistake I was thirteen not the God of the show he said other well he has love the fire was done when he was seventeen he burned a grudge he was indeed watching things burden share he like watching its part kickoff and they just aren't burning away he didn't want to hurt anyone but he elected enjoyed it though he didn't understand why quote I never got anything I ask for one as a kid but Mom and Dad was always trying to be there it doesn't work you know because was yet still is Atlanta's offer James troubles James said other fires and then he was caught Jane's ended up getting a five year sentence for burning Down The grudge and the other fires that he'd been caught setting off when he got out he returned to his life of crime and became super into petty burglary although he did hold down a pretty great job as a janitor at the Burger King ok Will hunting but without the map and yes please them that I don't like to point out there there was a time when Perkins had janitors the time the aid of the more they just make everybody clean and that works there they actually had a guy that day but clearly I got them put her on the more right when you're done with the fries can you clean the bathrooms a lot of the masses for the animals there's no end that if you don't do the animals there people pls oh oh afterward James enjoyed afterward James enjoyed drinking at the local dive bar or his half brother's house huge in the case of beer every night to say this it sounds alright not a bad life terrible he's made his choices and hurt anyone started to steal he enjoys an excellent he enjoys he enjoys being near burgers yet he enjoys beer lot of the case simple pleasures like fire this is like dating it's a basic man to enjoy lighting fires hang out and very gaze a jig is beer and a mom who's also know I'm a Scorpio I like I like long walks near the fire was near the fire going in the fire lighting fires get burgers for the Burger King to get over the fire I bear the image that he was all set to be the quiet he was quiet he was only a crazy loud guy was a quiet village say a lot of he married a woman named Susan ok let's just hit pause Cher hao LO's her self esteem will she know the deal she's got to whoever that is how knows that he is the case of beer night is like shes nice high in the case of beer night that yet any works of these gender Burger King so yeah the size of the greatest catch I know I love the shimmer to the trucks and still go dancing at the local Roadhouse and would then head down to the river to talk write so little the couple's time there for every dance that was ripped up talking to but wherever he went James here laughing and people pointing and saying There's the guy a burn on the elementary school so he can get away from this town sorry this is Rhett say does he have a leg to stand when it comes to complaining about complaining but it's not like he is a weird leh he's trying to start over like his dad get over it yet I'm not a school in the of the glare i jux like you've never burned out of school below I think in nineteen ninety three there were highs soil moisture levels throughout the Mississippi River Valley that year because of a big snowpack from the winter don't know about the animal then came the rains started in April forty eight Finch forty eight inches fell in central Iowa that was fifteen inches over normal does this by the time June came along was soaked in any rain was just running off then came an unusual weather pattern that would soak the northern Mississippi River Valley even more high pressure ridge moved in from the Atlantic in park itself in front of the stream of claps now the rain clouds were just stopped held up what seemed like an invisible air damp some places got over thirty inches of rain which is two hundred percent more than normal the usually ran for eight days in that area but that slight rain for twenty or more days the weather systems just sat there the Missouri River crested at a record forty eight point nine feet at Kent City on July twenty seven the water I want to import into the Mississippi Richard Wood River which crested at forty nine feet in St Louis on August first this was a flood event on a scale that had never before been seen as a flash flood control system for the Upper Mississippi which is made of resin wars urban levees and agricultural levees and the levees began to fill up river frequency hundreds fell near Quincy ten failed it seemed pretty clear to the media that there was no stopping what was happening York Times wrote quote There is nothing anyone can do people sandbag like crazy and still lost funding was so bad that people don't have drinking water Anheuser Busch distributor water in six packs with their logo on it the way they are beer cans they fill them with water to give those out labels Anheuser Busch to water yes I guess is that water or just Anheuser Busch the lesbian yet people are buying what the fuck I imagine that and the James had with that eye to eye the eye and this was the world James got was living in verse and you know and be pleased to get like these to play the edge of the people where they give them the sharpest us the go non alcoholic beer and says Oh yeah the ad people to bed mad senses as a couple cocktails as water ah yes it's well what's over here Hale is a get we went though there isn't some call near beer when I was a kid here to understand that near to beer but it's not fair that was not just like it was never like molasses I can imagine how bad it taste as is or JJ Scott is there in mid July nineteen ninety three the earthen levee was not in great shape in Quincy the townspeople had sandbag the West Quincy levy which made which was made to hold back thirty feet of water the earth levee was covered in plastic sheets to stop erosion sandbags were put on top of the sheets to keep them in place plastic is also use it for shoots on the back of the levee to siphon off the rainwater instead of having it soak in but now the water looked like it would be higher than thirty feet so bulldozers were used to build the levee up this was a great sign that the Army Corps of Engineers had miscalculated the situation at this point they should not even using bulldozers on the levee right so that's something they should have already had at the height it should be not when the water starts coming right you say they underestimate been raised earlier in the summer by topping with fifteen feet of dredged sand moving earth around on a levee at this point you're making the levees skinnier which is worse not better that's yeah that's I mean it's higher but it's less yet the offenders not better know I hate the teacher that an engineering school the We have wanted to get a lot of good options here so let's get it up cause this is day one of Engineering lectures called thinner ers not bitter or better I already have questioned okay I okay I'm going to move on the move according to the supposedly made it strong enough for thirty two feet of water was at thirty one point nine feet I was not a lot of leeway the residents get the nine eleven watching all the I watching for the day that the watching for issues using sandbags to help shore up on saving as James' mother's friend Janet a Magglio shady Italian I think double its ok told James to go out and help and that's what he did James when inserted sandbag the levee on July twelve he worked with many other volunteers for days he saw this as a way to fix his tarnished reputation in the town he thought people would see him and think quote Jimmy is not that bad gene is a good kid Jimmy can do good are you trying to fix his reputation but also let's be honest he's also just doesn't have a condition to make fires right now says god idol and he said it fixes in fix is that because like bull or because he can light fires to eat if anyone wants a lot did not come down here in the yeh that's true he was a fire base man but only when the fires has been out of prison was the most that I prefer while this Dolly did light a fire his way I know the and now the groom will set the bride On Fire is the car one day James Susie went down to the levee need to sand back together but it was too late and the volunteers that shut down for the night so the couple went to Avila Katherine Kessel on Front Street it just sounds like it sounds like it sounds like Catherine Castle one of the open of a place so she called the Villa Catherine castle as long as it's not an actual cast as they should not be a real cat know who this is not a castle was a dive bar that was really like to do the drinking after they rode around and then when they went to his happy dance house and there James said quote I partied like a rockstar we were drinkers there were a lot of parties around that time to drink and says Turn it loose yet see also the close of day on record talking specifically about this that tells me that our love is about to break you know that I love these too high I The next day James and Susie will cover early so as you enter job at eighteen wheeler truck stop in nearby James decided to go out sandbags he worked through the morning with volunteers showing up Libby was really hot Mahdi Army Corps of Engineers were there and they told volunteers what to look for how to fix it they're told to look for Boyle's another problem spots of the the the get a biopsy even the levees were giving giving in up and down the river from Quincy the people in the town thought theirs was going to hold for no they just leave their levy when I went I went back because I couldn't understand why everyone thought that was going to hold base in all the other ladies failing and then I found a new Local News Guy Houston TV station is on tv station K something and he's walking around interviewing people as of this as a minister and he's like covering the town as a good news guy but it's all I can Jesus Oprah and he cites the G's will provide will be okay and then the one point he went to a group of guys and he talked him the news a car and God bless their ally God bless the like the backing of the caucus is a religious town is this a town who believes that maybe God is going to provide for them and save them from the levee unlike the other towns were full of heathen monsters and they're talking about Jason some others were given the job of waiting along to duct tape holes in the plastic tarp well know what they say he is a very versatile product however it's good it we all know that it's not the best thing to do is stop so many flags on it a box duct tape is now the main meetings use for stopping floods I don't think that's true I'm that small prove me wrong well James with I'm talking oh plus there is the Jays guy who he thinks was named Rudy or wait for Bob Whaley what the you're right you are stuck James was walking with another guy in the levy who he thinks is named Rudy or Bob ok it was really about ok I the only remotely similar yet completely different names is there really are the aye our stuff them to get those two mixed up the so they're walking along looking at the levee in the came upon a National Guard member named Duke Kelly James told Kelly that he had seen water coming from under the plastic tarp and Kelly said it was a big problem he contacts them to do it then he walked off to look at the problem area that evening James was wrapping it up for the night and got his car when two men told them the levee had broke as hell the breakwater came fast and furious the videos create like just go off to White Water Walk a situation like it's just pouring in it was smooth fast within seconds a barge parked up river came through the breach and into the town that's a fast moving it is suck to barge in and then it sucks in a second barge behind it one of them crashed into a gas station and for gas tanks exploded so that's a giant fiery disaster Rivers situation they need me fire fourteen thousand farm acres would be ruined hundreds of people's homes James walked along the levee talking to people about what he'd seen her corsets we do in that situation you for the crowning of Jesus Christ we believe that you know I saw and they talking to state employee when a newscaster named Michelle McCormick asked him to death and injury or Stephanie Bob asked to comment on the levee and tell our audience what he knew done to help with the levee his nervous but he managed to brag about what he'd done and said he had seen spots that were a problem James then went to help the Coast Guard load boats into the water and as he walked down from the levee the reporter grabbed him again asked him if you do a lot do a live interview on the ten pm news Sherry said he was good choices there's something about it at home Sargent Neil Baker was watching the news when up popped gold James Scott Baker just returned from FBI training in Quantico that day so he's probably on high alert this differs at the local cops neighbors of the Cullen brothers say Sargent Baker had been working in Quincy for many years and James pretty well for all the wrong reasons Baker was the cop who arrested James for arson he had also been a cop and James's brother Brendon the elementary school so when a cop like that seems to of known bad guy on TV pays attention to quote when I see Jim Scott Stanton on a levee with it is hot as it was professing out his love for mankind to have worked on a levee just went against everything I knew about it and this idea was immediately suspicious of James' stories James couldn't name anyone else there he didn't know what happened at the time and he couldn't describe just simple things he had done also James that way too clean for a guy say was working on the levee that day and he wasn't wearing a life jacket and Baker Baker knew James is answer seems squarely like he was lying Sargent Baker said quote My aunt and I as I listened to him he can answer these simple questions and if you watch it he's looking around at first and the things he had to say said them in the fact that he's over there to begin with you know you scratch your head so this is James Scott starting off that interview because they don't there's only a tiny bit of what he did the the I the the okay to let the as well it all doesn't that sound like a guy who is being being very explanatory about what he's seen I also love like when a redneck people try to sound super competent yet I was all walking around earlier this evening c'mon so joyous a last kiss in earlier than at any weight so so so that doesn't really jive with the cops description of him because the cops description is he was doing he was he couldn't answer any questions write about the likes of the terms like theirs they certainly make it seem like a little yeah I'm still trying to get asylum I wish I wish more of that interview but it cut off them like that was from another piece about what happened so immediately summons are doing a voiceover that part but I wish I couldn't find the full interest but a great find Baker such a bigger also notice that you know he's not dirty he doesn't have the life vest on and he did have a partner working with him which is also a thing because he's doing an interview should and it's not like there'd be a partner with also the second biggest meal of conclusions based year Deputy Sheriff John McCoy turned because what he heard over the radio sounded like something was wrong and there was James Scott being interviewed and James was someone not a good person going share McCoy twenty of the thought James quote went and sabotage the levee I mean from what he was and what his past track record is my suspicions were that he broke it I have a question despite this doesn't seem like maybe there is a job there does it feel like we went from one to thirty no other evidence other than just deciding that since he's there the levees doubt he's being interviewed that he destroyed the levee that is correct well that's just the moon okay that's exactly right ok so few people individually have already decided to police officers have independently have decided that just by seeing and probably I would imagine just getting angry seeing this guy yep that there had to deal with is a criminal for so long up there you're right being angry at that I would imagine though the focus on making sure people are safe waiting for the floodwaters recede get people in the tap back into place except limited but James said the suspicion began right away and the town was that troublemaker James Scott doing on the lever E Levy everyone was wondering when the police got to work Jameson has interviewed many times about eleven I love the barges were getting gas it's gone them of the chai and instead this is how putting the pieces back together by thinning it out and blame blame for Jimmy Jam it's ready I'll do the ay ay Sina has got to our game said he was interviewed many times about the lady but Sargent Baker said James was making himself scarce actually sort of question that I caught the when they're when they're looking for means avoiding him we all assume abortion but this happened was making so scarce and they're interviewing him anytime by going after such a bigger talk to people in James' neighborhood he said he reported that they said the people neighborhood said James had said things like quote I'm going to break the levee now the eye and and the the the the the gates and when the big old to be there when the levee broke so now the cartoon there's more there's something that comes out of you if you look at a live cases and stuff and that's when cops lie a lot of times they do it horribly like these are cops are probably are used to lying because these these these are atrocious statements right to think that any no matter how dummy in his eyes and the lovely now all you know it's written by James he's horribly artistic like it's just completely it's well I the bar that you see anything weird well other than the time the city should try to run through the levee break it so he could be there and then it would be slim time I want to be of them is by breaking the levee just like a summons like duct taping all do you think it is the the the of the moves to the the news the work for work or look here's the bigger said that in the investigation everything kept coming back to James and I would imagine because that's all the the investigation in the J Yes that is weird questions will lead you know that I don't know as of this cabbage and for twenty minutes just to talk about James I is the edge of the questions about James that name keeps coming up on October first months later section bigger so they started a whole like they got the state involved like it's a whole there's like a task force now are created by October first months later such a big fan James eating burger at Burger King after getting off work of course easy marinade up yet yes he was arrested for burglary in Quincy and taking her girl or a bar girl he's the Caine College of Virgo duel early I knew staying at the station requesting they did this even though they had already determined James was working the night of the grey cells so they know he's innocent of this burglary but they're bringing him and to question him on a burglary that they know he's innocent of there just trying to get him and to talk about the levee cool so it wasn't it wasn't like a harsh interrogation it was very conversational they even took a couple smoke breaks together like casual plan the nice cop thing quote There are several things Mr. Scott was suspected of then we talked about all of them Sargent Baker said James know is being question about the levee break James had a different memory he says he was denied he tonight all the crimes he was being because they were accusing Mike Ford from burglaries and different things he said he denied the the the the eventually to the The summons the computer no computer day you you know the day
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