217 - Edmund and The Holy Rollers
Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Edmund Creffield and his amazing cult.
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Eeyore is going to doll it this is the bi weekly American History podcast each week high Garrett Reynolds the story from our history to my friend Dave Anthony has no idea what the topic is going to be about this is Episode I I wanted one night Gary Garrett McKay to the park and this is not going to come in to quite yet Queens the Uptown all the way to ship the a bunch of religious virgins to mingle and do but pray eyes so here come the two Seattle on November twenty fifth will be at the Neptune Theatre comes in the twenty six will be in Portland at the Latin and then on the twenty seventh will be in Sam's go at the memory Marines memorial to a podcast on com and click on the tour dates and then you can get your links to buy tickets you should buy tickets will Anderson will be our guests know sneak in and sticking and don't be like come on trial Anderson um we also are a guest book and you can pre order that will be coming out in May and called it's called rascals the United States absurdity of the United States of absurdity American I the spring you can preorder its art by James Foster like we should also once again remind people that tickled the amazing documentary that was sort of is relevant or third episode about competitive tickling is now out on I tunes and as hysterical as part of the hose is very close to the plugin that's very worrisome as he looks like he's up to something yes I've kind of bigger circumference is a linebacker I know but I will be at the Comedy Store December ninth and tenth and and like a like us and the next episode I'm not a hundred percent that I will be on all my December dates that I've played recently and I apologize it will be work related all be at the cobs Comedy Club in San Francisco with Greg parent on the eighteenth and nineteenth this month so before start of this one and I wanted this story for a while an advisor to do it the dousing me with the research and the reason I held off on it is because there's some sex offender but I read I read deeply into it and there's no there's no fucking crazy story so back then the age of consent was lower it's not like the fifty cent again Delaware was seven so we don't see the sites are we really go that low sorry seven seven most states at this time the age of consent was ten or twelve Oh my God but most of the women in the story were at least in their mold or somewhere in their later teens late which was marrying age back then so I decided to do like what his later teens sixteen seventeen and still enable got married back then yeah that's not as creepy as know some people are tossing around the Number seven earlier well yeah I don't know why dollars to the state should abolish yeah after that ya had Ella de Soto Bridge the camping us or to change the aged eighteen and rice crop no brainer mostly these are now grown in Oregon to eighteen so that's exciting that's been a threat eighteen seventy three dead men feel that was born somewhere in Germany he may have studied to become a priest and immigrated to America around his twentieth birthday perhaps to avoid military service not of that is really known ok what is known is that Edmund was in Portland Oregon in eighteen where he preached as a soldier in the Salvation Army he preached as a soldier in the Salvation Army yet so yea was in the news in the Salvation Army is a soldier in any and then use one of the preacher cuss go around and preach their Salvation Army the regular Army The Salvation Army being the Salvation Army yeah but they use just go and spread the spread the word of God that was the third of its weather call the Salvation Army and now they just sell city clothes for Halloween at first he was seen as a rising star in the organization but soon he was complaining about how much important was placed on donations well you know that's that's kind of the adolescence of pious yet right for gays are you sort of wake up and you go I do need money love it then in nineteen o one Edmunds said the holy ghost directed him not to solicit for money and to leave the Salvation Army because quote its people are not entirely of God ok so he's there not so God this is God telling him the Holy Spirit yes got older but the south near to God who always goes the Holy Ghost was like talk to God yet he look great but isn't enough money things above are many things and was doubtful because in the Money them God wishes he could be his lunch when I He is like super late I know he's very sorry doesn't work he loves the end he will be on the fun Friday yes thank you for sure yes um so so he's more godly than the Salvation Army at this point sure it's right yeah he's bringing forgot his army of one Edmond resigned from the Salvation Army and went to study with a Pentecostal group in Salem Oregon then I think we're eliminating the fear that this group might not be religious enough right there right eye they taught a literal interpretation of the Bible which is always good always a good snow is good they rejected worldly temptations and held the evangelistic meetings every night every night yup this before TV yet so just going to church for them on Sunday was good enough in a twenty four seven there's a legend like the late ninety nine to Edward made his way to Corvallis Oregon which is just a little south of Portland he picked Corvallis to preach the new doctor in that have been revealed to him oh so OK Go is alone now this this doctrine was given to him from the buff show yet know if he's bringing his organ was a place people migrated to because the agricultural possibilities of Corvallis was a small farming community where everyone knew everyone else's business for example from The Times in October nineteen o one a swift journey on a bicycle was made Saturday by Frank hurt okay he went from Corvallis Oregon City in six hours is not likely that the trip was ever made by wheel in such a short time so this small town and from the Gazette Frank Kern is said to be doing exceedingly in his position as shipping clerk at Ellsworth docked in Portland he's well spoken of by his employer what I say this I mean these are in the paper or slow news days and then there's No that's that's um that's a big news day and in this town Mrs Kok as bowel movement in the pen or paper moon XXX the winds are going they leave my house Johnson was laid my house and my property I would say this the the read about it now please begin his new preaching career in the town by preaching each evening to soldiers he knew from his salvation army days was very different from his previous position at first he said nothing outrageous unused Salvation Army hymns say he was done he just stole their bet then is ever got more comfortable Edmond said that God had come to him and had spoken to said Hi how are you and God wanted him to reveal the divine truth good and not wanting to sound like the drunks who claimed they had a direct line to God right the fools Edmund told his followers that they too could speak to God and if they achieve this connection their name would be inscribed on a holy heaven the tickets to have some holy roller at the holy role that's that's what that lady was using o We're all I know the huge bee am to be this is such a huge story ma'am the man having more oh oh wow the time the eye but the rule had limited space so they had the kids is said to have in the nightclub well voted as the man who created everything who lives in the clouds with the Qs would probably not you can probably see for the whole galaxy is as expansive as anything could be the shutdown but the bouncer has a little hand is like any other way is Saint Peter's just like looking at the two tags that I can let you guys and on the hawkers you come on ladies come on up in pews me have you sinned I'm getting it on in those with you ladies get up front now he's in the back now he's dead in the back nearly died really we just killed nobody on Ellie's dad being sent a picture cool well I mean that's probably maybe something you can hold off on figuring out right guard with the dying it picks up objects and carries them all over the house sure is that stock behavior so I write so so they'll wait for it their all in after while they were repeating Edmonds chance God have mercy God will have victory tonight in a patron our admin made them beg forgiveness for their sins one hour turned into two then three then four Edmund past hands over one woman saying all ills could be cured by laying on of hands more times past five six seven hours by now the chanting was loud pushed on by Edmund who preach that sin must be washed away and on not went for ten hours Edmund was still going strong the group began pleading for forgiveness finally Evan sent anyone who thought they hit send or thought they hadn't needed to ask me to seek forgiveness by lying on the floor and rolling over and over again in two other sins have been atoned for the followers begin rolling some beating their heads and feet on the floor and praying loudly the role that prayed and clapped and rolled and prayed then twelve hours later exhausted with head spinning they heard it God spoke to ordinary people m and then told weird scene they were like God's elect they'd made it onto the Holy Rule now they trusted admin and his link to God they hadn't experienced anything like this The Salvation Army so they left enjoy an admin The Holy rollers were born though the Holy rollers yeah okay I I nice their nightly meetings got louder and more to neighbors by the summer of nineteen o three the city of Corvallis for bait Edmund from holding meetings within the city limits I haven't told his flock that he got a message from above to hold a meeting on the Kia Island a small uninhabited island on the Willamette River three miles at a town he told them to bring family and friends because if they didn't get their names on the holy role they'd be doomed to eternity in hell who's trying to get but yeah Emma started calling themselves Joshua okay I'm not going to call Joshua fail column as it is soo going to show yet it's super confusing but now his columns of Joshua's sure Edmund was small his hse five foot six inches hundred thirty five pounds K or sixty one kilograms pale blue eyes and long hair he was not ugly and is not attractive but the ladies Edmond OK well he's talking to God and God but yet his bro bro's of God yeah wing man yet totally That's funny you know my body god sia to name drop but he got it today he was talking about that he's been created everything yeah Anna was just talking about how stressful it is and I said Emma said as a goddess and god but Allah but I said I said but God you know what you need to remember is you're all seeing your all knowing but sometimes maybe you don't know you cry yeah and he was like oh yeah anyway and take off my skirt khaki skirt off you know God is he's a pal we have secret handshakes and the underpants and we had a great handshake is going to take mine off too you know where we love but what we say we love to do is we love to watch old all movies maybe a guy we love a good day or two of two hand inside and God's God's God's God's like you and me in a lot of ways he really is he he's he's down to earth while he lives in this guy's home ah I write an ad in there we go and yet he's a great palate does get an outright you that you smoke huh huh nothing anyway he's begun at a gas so he invites the families which I work well with a lid on so so what was surprising about the women particularly who came to the island that summer was that they were from good respectable God fearing families there were several families on the island that summer there were the Mitchell's Aster fifteen or older sister Donna Donna was married and brought her two young children all for the silly girls between sixteen twenty seven years old interesting fact about the Mitchell and silly girls both had their mothers die when they were and their fathers abandon them kns with a fellow with some Molly saddle and her sister all of twenty six were from a Methodist family Molly was engaged to Frank her twenty one Frank Wright yet Frank the guy you can stop biking has a great job I he left his job to go to the island while his sister Alice have been huge in the paper Locke leaves town his sister the man has been making all the headlines continues to try it he is sisters Maude twenty three in May sixteen were there as well as their mother Sarah Sarah's husband O V E her a respectable gentle kind Christian man joined them there was a man Samson eleven The Campbell he was engaged to Sophie Hartley who was the daughter of one of the richest man in town they were religious before Evan came long but now are full and Sophie's forty four year old mother Cora joined them so he had a solid group of people in a big group ride and it was in his early thirties at this point he now declare that the world would soon be destroyed and begin anew yeah right course Evan said he would lead the flock back to Drew's lawn where the restoration would take place sure says Little Jerusalem I think yeah I think this journey ahead of them quite tight but for now they went about the daily business which twenty four hour rule of Sean's twelve hours was considered to be a short service basically just rolling in banging their heads and praying for Daley's twelve hours a day was really super normal sounds really fine they were physically in the late gods maybe a little weird i keep ask us to roll in just her head and into his killing for her so badly just thirty hours I just want to wear a helmet and that's what I was just on you so mad he was mad God it is hard the guy's weird though I think yeah I think he might be the guise of the road have snakes I don't yet know I hit snooze so yes so they're physically and mentally exhausted in the everyday only ate peaches how they stole from a nearby orchard that's why the food they add up the hot and I like peaches but what a night oh my god the DA has the need to have sores in my mouth that diarrhea alone she's its beak into the pages the Hughes me at work yet I was wondering if God would let us eat anything but stolen peaches cool he said no everyone ol' time of cool he's rewarding us with more rolly bag a bit string the ages now I've got a long session had strangely eating only peaches made them all very weak the whole week I mean that's really the experiment what happens when you put a roomful of people near a peach orchard and that's all they me this week on lights up each model herds fiance James came to the island to visit after a few weeks growers you all smell like peaches the arrow this is to hear all their ELO the rollers told him they'd received a message from God they were going to build the hear know God makes his role in the pages were all the word and that's that but wait with us that we we don't we post is all we talk about when we're not rolling were very pasta eggs that we would love pasta who would let us say the P word the Holy rollers told them they were going to build the new Tabernacle and when James James asked where they're going to get the money to buy it the flock said you know apparently this is what Edmonton told them but Edmund R Edmond missing Edward know Edmund but Edmund already owed James fro from alone fortunately Edmund had been told by God that the loan was cancelled and he no longer owed the debt well that is that this oh that's yeah that's better than a notary that's how Bank of America s Got takes takes that though except that is the mortgage yeah oh my mortgage is done I heard from God last night well as I understand your policy limits or got on the phone will be lay this is the Lord and Savior God I want you to wipe away all it means to I don't believe I created everything except loans except for the invention of you I know knock it off and told them and James and tells Jeffrey Evans is the lone is cancelled he tells James that he s the cells valuables quit his job and devoted selfless he is church settles at this point it was the story is pretty fresh on the above changes came by for a visit he just was like Hey what's up everyone digi I don't know anything about the new structures sell you stuff for peach James the Just bought a new car but Adam Edmund told them to get rid of it get rid of that world possessions in all everything James was not down with this plan and told James that God would smile would smite him for not giving the money different so just getting weird model Janice I I I kind of like eliminates the freewill to decide what to do in life really so ma den Berg of the engaged with Jane dirt because God commanded and James left the island so this is a super shady vacation for him but also arguably the hero of the story so far of his coming back got also demanded that Sophia Hartley and Lee Campbell call off their engagement as well Edmonton the other women to be really and horny from a super single maybe topless topless guy doesn't like Topps got his brothers and is against fornication demanding personal purity from the flock as Corinthians seven one says it is not good only thing that should be banging as yet the eye is not good for man to touch a woman at the same time God gave him a new message every woman in the future Got Mail this keeps happening at everyone in the flock had to take part in a ceremony with him which would quote the Dow then with the grace of love it would take place in his tent he and the woman would quote engage in a long prayer service there was laying on of hands are at the end he told the woman to put her arms around his neck and kiss him and then they would be told to submit themselves to the lust of other men in the flock if any woman refused to take part in the ceremony they would be denounced and declared carnal and of the devil ok so he takes women one by one into a tent in praise with them long time makes out with them and then says If they say no to fucking any of them and they'll go to hell yet cool guy who made it their all quote anointed in front of each other for years except when you say anointed you mean they're just having like an orgy I when I say orgy I mean like a rake the orgy I may think me anything to orgies the reason they went for it was because Edmund said God wanted the new for the restoration and was up to Edmond to choose her so sorry fer he's America's Got Talent in the the flock of women in a fun competition yet it's it's a hot fuck comp and trying to pick the new Mary this is the Jesus tonight we will find out who is our I've never really read the Bible but I'm pretty sure this is how Jesus did it totally totally know about that up I guess this is the I make the point that the merry with virginity well me just been like yet hey am but I got to see what's going on in there yet but you know on an amateur I I know and then he named all his female followers The brides of Christ sure treasure all the female followers are not supposed to be a part of the anointing one guy accidentally walked into one of Edmunds private ceremonies what are the men the men are well that's the anointing the sexes and Ms M is basically having sex with women while on the other women watch but aren't the guys also know it's only admin they can sleep with them know they all can sleep in them right but he's doing that this special ceremony Sara a private tent time yet his cousin and his boys doing ok and this this in the private and now they're now he's screwing women in front of each other ok all walk in the van allowed to stalk and yet what kind of bus up the energy a little one guy actually walked in one and his private ceremonies he was chased and beaten by the flock the guy went back to Corvallis and told everyone that our body is seen now rumors of free love in nudity spread Burgess star started to have doubts so Evan announced Burgess that since announces a change so whatever he kicked Burgess out and I He shunned as are all the other men in camp with all the men were the exception of three other guys Frank currently candle and Simpson lemons all the other guys were there kicked out of the three does and the other man even to the to these women who are now and then cries of the brides of Christ obviously choose Christ over these guys that's what I would of course now he's got all the Salvation Army got wind that things were not going as planned with their man Edmund and set sent in the Captain Charles Brooks to save the women in the situation happens come and send officer and he's a ranking of surrenders Church Of Salvation Army at scrap That didn't go as planned either within days Brooks was crying that he was covered in snakes and had been visited by the devil he tore off his clothes and threw them into a fire before passing out so they sent a good guy to go do this wasn't going to Brock's than the snakes are all over me I can come back the bridge quickly became Edmonds most trusted disciple for that door down the aisles don their cap and susceptible do you want to go hope to write my name rain came at the end of the summer and since they had not gotten that loan to build their Tabernacle they need to move they could not move into the city they're basically just on a fucking island there's no building yet okay great shots stranded on an island where the women can't say no they roll around and bang their heads and all they do is eat peaches and then fuck yes they cannot move into the city limits because of the ban Mon and Sarah Hurd stepped up they invited Edmund nineteen of the flock to move into the hurt family home it was just across the river from the town and outside the city border there in our twenty people rolling Ovi hurts house ok they prayed so loudly that they could be heard by people a quarter mile away oh wow it's fucking screaming How Far is Heaven final at second half of it as any began to regulate every detail of his father's lies they could use candles they had to sleep on the floor weight right off the bat insane these candles with the light comes from God provided i not at night give the new shouldn't be you know I'm not having enough they could only eat what and minted touch that is that the Evan did you touch this has no on here we go uni this game and all of it okay to go watch the ad by the way I have to lick some of these to God God came down earlier told me that the hand is enough to give his family to lead to really get it off on how Kai and he also said I should probably eat some of that vision for you idiot for falling off the bone cartilage and bone noon and they put it in my pantry I am the flock is allowed to communicate with each other this meant Ovi whose house it was who was a Christian who opened his house these people mostly kept most of Diana's family right it was snubbed in his own house and called the Black Devil by everyone including his wife each trip I I I I know I'm going to the bathroom here comes the O T Black Devil and God that's not my name Kate some of these eggs they collect out of stock on me that many of his old guys want an omelette the levy is the A Not Here is the better guy enjoying the room Yeah it's great okay yeah screw you like double ha Donna Starr refuse to even shake hands with her husband Burgess when he came to visit Warren
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