231 - The Siamese Twins - Chang and Eng
Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the first famous conjoined twins, Chang and Eng of Siam.
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person who's been talking over the real no but it's a cool i like to hear All Access yet get a taste of the flavor others YouTube you know I mean you need it doesn't look anywhere from a bail of eight to eleven but again if you really enticed by these accents you can hear him not to wait for someone to walk to your door is on St anyway may live and eleven and the result am I the boys were born on a fishing boat in a Thai village near Bangkok I already yeah well you know that's what happens if you Bangkok to get two babies of a hot back then Thailand was known as the Kingdom of Siam why they changed it we don't know the twins are connected by a band of flesh just below one side of the ribcage is seen a didn't reveal that animal so that now yeah the tardy tardy is blurring the other arty with Well yeah I'm putting it together as much as the flesh between those two boys there Chinese parents so they were tie with Chinese parents Chinese plan to live in Thailand named the boys Chung and in ch ok Chad and that lesson right there keeping a really super family names super liberal we're naming him after uncle left and Grandpa right well they are connected so that one will call after that one right away to be their left or I left I got oh boy they of course the villagers sought to twins being connected as a bad omen obviously it's eighteen eleven village midwives would not touch the twins because they thought they would be cursed if they did is they just such an easy thing to figure out whether your cursor by touching the babies whether or not like if you touch the Siamese twins that you are cursed to come Siamese twins well twins conjoined twins sorry for horrible service from Siam okay I say Wait a minute you are the Wright Brothers I thought you were putting stuff together with your na and I I think he made a save you're the foolish on here something here thinking I gotta I summon the village wanted to put them to death she like ages K left to keep right that's a guess on off others decided it would be a good idea to separate them they came up with ideas like suspending them over a wire that would slowly cut through the connective area but were some of the bad idea I don't know where they're ending I'm sure there were horrible jump to the wire cutting ceremony hatchet or using eye the couple dogs chewing apart one of the crows let's put carrots and sticks attached to their head to get a run in opposite directions real fast that's actually what they did with the their mother protected the boys and hid them away and the twins learn to function and prosper as young boys there to run the play and swim together and were just as nimble as other children well yeah you can be nimble with just as nimble just as just as numb I would maybe if you're for she has four legs but life is so much instinct in what we do see how you share a brain you have a sever brain and share body it feels like but I think that the instinctive the would be doing the same thing really even with separate brains are like Laverne and Shirley that again exactly like furniture being so active help stretched stretched or connecting ligament right to their stretching it to theirs can join by taffy I'd like to laugh yet elastic the refining your underpants on him of eye because the twins are such a rarity they became rather famous eventually came to the attention of the Thai King Rama the third of the king like the boys so much he made his personal diplomats and took them on his trips as representatives of good will okay that's that's great as a show of faith these boys are connected so that Amina is the angle there I guess is a little bit like it's just kind of rare thing to hear terms like here are connected boy is you can see when I he's got two hands yes stick with me when the boys were eight years Mead left and right I have my family just look at the taffy in between him and that's a good place to focus on the Aries Point ring yeah so in the eight years old a cholera epidemic hit Tyler their family was not spared of their father in five of their brothers and sisters died well a pretty pit pretty Aria now the Twins had to become the main bread winners for the family there's still family left Gavin I think that all this or something okay re write really care enough to do that sure sure sure do this they went back this Are they went into the duck and duck egg trade huh ok village people would come out to the river banks to watch them trading up and down the river ok ok ok so that the trade and oxen decade they're getting in the duck in a game sure which is a big game herds is huge right OK to know is there such a bone of his giant black man eighteen twenty is talking tons a day oh right the duck era this went on for few years then when they were thirteen a Scottish trader named Robert Hunter saw Chun an Inn hello his eyes just a dollar signs Jack Blood a poet I see my eyes deceive me or is that boy twice under sold imported goods in Thailand like European fabric Western medicines and weapons and he was trusted by the Siamese Government and for love to move freely more than like a normal foreigner would be up his fishing boat in eighteen twenty four when he saw the boys quote they were naked from the hips upward were very thin in their persons they were naked from the hips upward said that's the weirdest way to call someone service that I mean you know it makes it sound so per VI longer version they were well is one bet pots away from sin that Dex I think the pants they had no shirt on it was dusk in a bit dark under thought he was looking at a strange animal with two heads bloody hell can elect Denny realize they're conjoined twins I cannot capture it yeah put it in a box they hunted tried to talk the king in the boy's mother into letting the boys tore in exhibitions in the United States and Europe telling them there was lots of money to be made the booming market of Oriental curiosity whoa that is just sae u do not use all the ish years British Asians about it here's the deal anytime a white man comes to your area and talks about big upside with like some grandiose scheme where you can't really like check im probably say no I've based on the dollar I would avoid any time it's like locked its like every like to be brought up is a really just like any time a white guy comes in with like a crazy idea if it's too good to be true it probably is but the king and that denying their work and they say I like I was one to juggle the job the late great show unbelievable beautiful left the Hell's your problem nights make a new look unbelievable out there I don't know if the big night stealing the spotlight literally is not big enough for both of these and Hunter was persistent and continued trying five years past that's one hundred teamed up with American able coffin here's another thing a bulk often there's a guy okay maybe able coffin don't do anything he said Let's just change these few red flags in to the Chinese flag at this point it's that it's the red flag is red flag you know I don't know if we should let the boys go but in the garbage showed out Jimmy dead boxes yeah and his life for sure they'll die so coffee was a veteran Mariner and trader who is interested in curiosities he had made trips to see white elephants tied up in stalls as well as the royal family of Laos that was chained they had been captured and chained by their legs and arms so I guess in the Kingdom of Siam they'd captured the lake ocean royalty acts and that's a curiosity which is chained up somewhere and that way and that is sorry and he is he is flooring that you know what to go see it I didn't really like wanted it or at the Thai royal son is gay is is that is that not curious won a key UN does the ailment it's not it's not a typical curiosity in the sense that they were born that way but it is curious to see super rich royal people chained up I mean if you can go see the the British Royals chained up with you of course I I mean all all I can attend please free me had chosen to get out here please don't do anything let me out of it the threat is here so choose ears the ears hunt get mad if I ever get out of his cage I goes to news though so they're just on display the King's kids to hunt a shoe Coffman showed coffin the twins and coffins mind explode who knew these two joined boys could make tons of money because white people love to look at shit like that confident Hunter together pushed the cost and Hunter I mean it's just it's it's it's it's like if you come Hunter and cough and I mean there's a chronology to them it's a bad omen yeah so they push seeking to allow the boys to leave and they promise that the boys would be away for just a few years ever mother would be paid three thousand dollars assuming a shitload of money but hopefully it works so in eighteen twenty two years is quite a while to when the boys turned eighteen they set sail on coffins ship for Massachusetts chooses K their mom was only paid five hundred oh wait I already see the eyes are fucking heavy not close the deal they're probably going to get up and I got the loose snow the boys let the boys that guy said Twins buff are not joined one let J I'm not an idiot you drop the money I let the boys go and when to get on the boat I boys tennis getting on the boat not a good guy characters five hundred sq the boys enjoyed the ship running and jumping and showing off their agility to the crew one brother sometimes climbed the ship's mast quote on a buff one brother sometimes climb the ship's mast quote the other following as well as he could without complaining I honestly makes it even more of the fee because he only has the one guy only has one are why I know he is too warm there too and they both have to live yes OK to look at the Just joined by light flashing between the two light than four legs yup okay see I was kind of picturing you pictures of organs were thinking who does and in the eighteen hundreds in due course oh wait they arrived in Boston in eighteen twenty nine I'm sure those that people were very very ready to accept is this about is the story when someone invented batteries to throw up as a negative for the view there were in an alien land with only a rough grass like for the first few months they had an interpreter China in had their names changed to Chang and eighteen or simply chain in K Chang was on the left and was on the right sure but we still don't know are left their laughter really doesn't matter selector yeah they were introduced to the American public by Hunter Kauffman on August seventeen eighteen twenty nine under the banners of the double Siamese boys and the monster that I don't teach them English I know something don't let them know what the science a monster fall the QVC The Monster Hunter is not heard it's so terrible yet especially like that again don't take the deal take to do I've got great news a boat trip away nope the son Hunter was that's it for him we don't hear from him again he's just off problem a back to Asia you know back to his deal there yet he was finding other curiosities they brought a new manager James Hale who claimed he came up with the term Siamese Twins ok which is you know for very long time was what we call people can join yes we don't right now we call them togethers blue he said it would attract more attention than calling them Chinese ok write his chinese Chinese were thought of as of this higher hires in status than Siamese okay because they were lighter in color and color it was the same you shorter and darker and based on how things went in the eighteen twenties that's how you determined I'm honestly shocked that somebody put that much that that somebody would allow even a tear to racism that's interesting Jang were shown make I'd hate them have a little bit yeah not like the Siamese monsters dating were shown in hotel parlors and concert halls from Vermont to Louisiana back again always performing for a packed crowd what are they doing well there goes the eighth wonder the world admission is twenty five cents to seven and eight could go as high as fifty cents depending on demand ok which is actually a pretty fuckin something that's nice markets first the twins just stood on stage showing how they walked and ran and answered and answered questions from the audience ok let's let's see you walk right have the okay to read these guys are great hey ey but they quickly became bored of this and soon were amazing with somersaults and back flip lol to their financial gap even believe it or you do a back flip I realized I was picturing two arms between them and two legs between ok much different they even swam sometimes they would ask the biggest audience member to come up onstage and then they would lift him up onto their shoulders ached again slick and soon they were international sensations injure hundreds of thousands of paying customers to see them performing acrobatics play chess and answer questions ok play chess what you do yesterday went down side is connected guys played chess click each with a Guess I Guess again together yes it has the Wii which as the be all you gotta keep staging a mind to upstage the can join part drama stage manager got on weekends some claim the twins were a fraud so often pay doctors to examine and validate the connective tissue between the boys and this was a continuing process in every new town they visited they would get a medical inspection in front of a large audience wow it's great yeah I know I know it's just good yeah fine doctors reveal the brothers were joined by a five inch long three inch wide into inch thick piece of connecting tissue which was tough like cartilage some described as graceful I assume that I have high tea at it lets a guy like hasn't eaten in awhile I get down here to see ah the ad again and I love I didn't know that the shape resembled an hourglass or a handle so they had the Argos figure it's weird often you would say is that an hourglass or hand what is that an hourglass or an actual hand those are two completely different shaped things hey all So what's an hourglass the I you know it was either an hourglass or car was either shit like this you are a tree at a nap so we commit to them from the bottom of their breast plate to their stomach ok so that's not a tremendous amount know when it's I mean it's long and you know Yeah yeah base of the torso middle the torso brain was talking with their natural position with was to face each other but over time into the act allies the connective tissue became elastic and they can now sleep walking cetera side by side with their first born they were looking each other over time they feel that your apartment I'm worried that they're growing apart and the road what if in the distance between the was at the beginning of the story and I'm in the pan was lucid when they faced each other when there were just talking to have to get very comfortable now with this kind of rubber Bandy piece of flash and what it's doing and jostling as grisly as comfortable as they were okay one doctor tested the connecting tissue with needles to find out how sensitive it was cool that's always a good thing to start with a good jab you now to see if you can feel it maybe poke the A found that quote both boys drew away from poachers at the middle of the band whereas an inch and a half or more from the center only that went on that side to allow ok so now we get closer to this Twitter Tim Powell but I go closer to this one hurt him I know but you're right the middle of the how I am studying them now again to be clear left one how right one no uh oh the doctor also found that quote when one experienced a sour taste the other does well I don't believe that for second also what fun they're having here in poking with needles what do you think laughed and had another experiment was taken one twin without the other's knowledge it's very you know you got um it's ah it's hard the hat Taipei at Taipei the capital city before the match I could stay she's looking shaggy sheep are you Doctor again just talking about Doctor Who are these that there's a park as it is commentary on let me finish what I would say OK I'm going to my later years the needles so this cause the other one to angrily demand that the tickling stop so that the tickle of the love was where they both ticklish or was it like the other one was only ticklish I don't look at it just sounds like bullshit yeah another experiment strong pressure was applied to the band which cause the twins to faint what that's like a fucking star treacherous variables box up and squeezes their draft the Nats a little easier to understand why they passed out from this one this isn't finding a pressure point this is like the tremendous pain affects them like all people making them hurt so bad they pass out yes I mean you know experiments share and then there was the best test ever one was given its asparagus to see and while I discovered that only the one who it's asparagus had smelly pee so that we just know that a parent asparagus makes your pee smell forever yeah okay that's good a friend had a week i things left eye and things right eye's outer I was both weak ok both of them they did not have any interest in discussing being separate the subject was sensitive almost taboo and an angry Chang allegedly tried to kick a field day Duffy a doctor in Thomas Harris's suggested he could possibly do the lie lie lie lie lie separate them because you can but they they are adverse to their against it you can do it but they have wishes and human well it's the thing that can it doesn't matter if it can right there together you can cut them apart like a doctor could say you know sell our nickels together right now but again if he came over and said that he was going to do that because he could I feel like we both pushed back or at least I hope you and so does a cake walk the whole does what the cake for you we argue my case the lace is a cake one of the whole thing was just I was just ah I mean I know right same day I but they also shared one long Audi belly button wait wait really long wait so they had like a little to really creep really long they had like it yeah the connective stick out like a connective tummy didn't buy it on the deck and think that's the technical term is still yet well let's talk to some of the doctors in the story the medical reports helped counter accusations of fraud and credibility to the shows whose posters now included the medical reports newspaper articles written about the examinations also made for good publicity so stop picking out but by that they and their adorable twins are short about five foot tall ang was an inch taller they were charming and handsome with a side parted hair dark eyes they share common tastes habits opinions to the point that was strange both like the It is a little strange I have always been there yeah we both love Mel and hiking and sleeping and watching the same shows and going to the bathroom with your brother and shower at the same time and all the stuff that everyone lights above like fine clothes books and the year Chang was friendly outgoing but had a bit of a temper also chain like to drink he gets angry very cheery like to drink unfortunately the liquor to na fortunately the liquor does not affect ang because they do not share a circulatory system well I mean you know honestly I don't mean not to make too much light but comedic Lee you win either way either they both get drunk over one's actions the other gets drunk over one's actions or the one who doesn't drink
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