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S01 Episode 04: Inconsistencies

S01 Episode 04: Inconsistencies

Update: 2014-10-16124
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A few days after Hae’s body is found, the detectives get a lead that opens the case up for them. They find Jay at work late one night and bring him down to Homicide. At first, he insists he doesn’t know anything about the murder. But eventually he comes clean. He tells them what happened on January 13th. A few weeks later, he’s back at Homicide and his story has changed. In some ways, these changes are small and understandable. In other ways, they’re big and confounding.

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previously on cereal well you didn't like in part to bury your body you to find somebody else's that's like a park I walk along the edge the lawn expecting to find a body real soon I never saw one Lincoln Park and where is that Dean nowhere does have you ever been there when shopping for our next write about it it was not abnormal for me to the score to go to saute be the the only think a cool from the and knew the from This Chicago it's cereal one story told week by week and Sarah K make the last time I ended by saying that the detectives had other leads in this case besides Mr as the guy who found his body that there are also starting to look at none well the reason we know that is because of this memo the memo was dated the twelveth February nineteen ninety nine strong Detective Darrell Massie to detect a great military this memo is talking about is regarding an anonymous call that detective Ritz on the witness stand trial he's talking about how they got this anonymous call three days after his body was found the cocaine into detective Massey a Baltimore County CA the car must have an accent of some kind because masses report describes him as an Asian male eighteen to twenty one years old though it's unclear whether Asian in this case means East Asian like Korean or South Asian like Pakistani but anyway the mystery caller says Look at the ex boyfriend the color for the work has taken to the victim to Lincoln Park on past occasions for sexual encounter park including the phone interview the caller further stated that the victim broke off the relationship with her boyfriend about a week before she was reported missing the caller hangs up then a few minutes later the same guy calls back and says Oh yeah by the way this time the caller remember about a year ago the suspect and former friend of his pressies after all the Asian male seventeen and pressies if he ever hurt his girlfriend trial for Court in Twin Lake this time the caller mentions a friend of a man's boss or oily actually the name of this friend is Yasser Ali the caller says Yasser might know something hangs up again the cops can trace the call is out of range the three days after the anonymous call the detectives go meet with Yasser Ali at a pizza the Yasser says they make that call I don't know anything their notes from that conversation say quote but none wanted to get rid of the cart where would he do so Ali indicated summer in the woods possibly in Centennial Lake or the inner Harbor and quote the ever gotten to the bottom of who made this anonymous call the cops and figured out not to turn even figured out I've tried to figured out to her while I couldn't let it go because it seemed to me that whoever made this call he must be the key to the whole thing but so far only guess is that I can't responsibly say out loud the the anyway the day after the Pizza Hut talkin fairy sixteenth the detectives do some paperwork that will ultimately cracked the whole case open for them they get a subpoena for non cell phone records the results of that subpoena include a list of all the calls dialed and received on animes phone on January thirteen the day he disappeared me that list will become arguably the most important piece of paper among all the thousands in this case will become their map the following call by call by call like footprints that end up at announcement door The The The if you look at that Cole up from January thirteenth there are thirty four calls that day obviously the first thing they have to do is figure out who all the phone numbers home cell and pager numbers once they do they realize wait a minute one person was called six times that day much more often than anyone else that person is an eighteen year old girl named Jennifer Puteri Jen is not afraid of nuns she's a friend of J's member Jay had a non scar that day and his new self the the the the message and talking to detectives about the night of January thirteenth the uh the the action on the on the show came on the road for me wind was how we you know if you want to figure out the skis with me now is the time to start paying close attention because we arrived along with the detectives at the heart of the thing this interview with Jan happens on February twenty seventh nineteen ninety nine the day before on the twenty six the cops are gonna find janitor house they explain they're likely to come downtown to talk Jen is thoroughly weed out she says she can't right now she's busy maybe later then Jen a friend go CJ is at work in a video store she tells day the police want to talk to me when I do a trial Jen says quote He told me to go down there and tell them tell them enough to keep me out of trouble and tell them to go CJ send them his way to Jen goes downtown to see the cops later that night and she lies to them so she doesn't know anything I've seen the detectives notes from that interview and the remarkably uninteresting but by the time she left that night Jen thought it was possible she is about to get charged a trial she said the last thing detected McGill a very sad during that night was quote everyone's a suspect and no one's a suspect so the next day she goes back to the detectives this time she's got reinforcements she's got an attorney whether plus her mom they turn on a tape recorder who what where when why the uh the uh the whole house yes and no one has said the suit Jen gives them a motive hey broken man's heart and a method he strangled her which of course there are new but then Jens information gets a little muddy or yes were the case only to the the issue the police know the the the ice on the ice what are you involved he said to the bottom and assay for poker variant of a hole and bury her in was huge in helping me deal with his eyes only see on top of all when the team of the city and down the ice and how to do this you know when you know when I was stunned and yes is in a shower and bus parking the Jews told her I saw the body in the trunk of a car and non asked me to help bury her body didn't I refused I took him someplace and later picked him up someplace that some chicks house and he tells her that all this went down at the Best Buy parking lot off Security Boulevard about a mile from Woodlawn High School the the Jen Jen are close friends at this time winter of ninety nine talking or hanging out almost everyday they known each other since elementary school there in the same cause that would line the graduated the year before and ninety eight now Jim was a freshman at U M B C University of Maryland Baltimore County is studying biochemistry in a sorority when he disappeared Jen was on winter break she's working part time as a lifeguard and J was also working one of his jobs is a definite discount store Jen said on January thirteenth she and Jade been hanging out earlier in the afternoon at her house after she got home from work then Jen says Jay left her house sometime between three forty five for fifteen the plan to meet later that evening but then Jen got a message J was running late he wanted her to pick him up in the parking lot of Westview Mall around eight pm she goes there she sees them together she says je get out of a non scar now says hide her up she says he's reacting normal J gets in her car and that's we tell her about the murder after they driven a little ways Jay mentions shovels shovels and nine had used to dig in the park Barry hay that they were J's shovels from his house the he the soul or souls the nationally the shovels Gentiles whom she drives tree back to westmall to the dumpsters back there to the J can retrieve the shovels and wipe the handles clean in case of fingerprints the the or the usually the the the next eight Jensen she drove J to the FM store the same one reworked so that he could throw out the clothes and boots he was wearing the previous night he pitched them into a dumpster behind the store one of the cops points out for a guy who's telling you he didn't kill anyone and didn't help dispose of a body sure is taking a lot of precautions he clarifies J was in the long When the body was buried the ball to the sharing the clothes the fall for the show for the war all it wasn't until today all of the song thinking Gee I don't think fishing long and weigh no less an OK Jay Bruce on the mound the cop asks a non J best friends Jen says Oh no my casual acquaintances once the detectives talked to Jan everything happens very fast that same night the detectives go get J at the video story works actually a porn video store which come trial a non attorney will stress with relish every opportunity anyway the cops bring him down to homicide by the time they turn on the tape recorder it's one thirty in the morning on February twenty eight the questions the bus to the Cheney interview room and initially people's agenda he tells them nothing more or less says he walked to the mall that day got his girlfriend a bracelet for birthday hung around with Jens younger brother talked with non sometime in the afternoon and then after two pages of notes like that it says All right I come clean at least that's what I think it says the detectives handwriting is messy so maybe it's as bright I came down in any case around twenty minutes later they start taping and Jay tells them a whole different story when that more or less matches Jan's except for one major difference one major piece of information about this crime that the cops are still missing they do not know where his car is they've been looking all over the place for it they can find it now Jay tells them he knows where it is the the already there you are in the state to the that if you watched a sellout shows where people are the lawyers to do it so that's huge for them J will take them to the car and he does once they're finished at headquarters they all drive out in the middle of the night or the cars parked on a grassy hill behind some row houses off Edmondson Avenue within a few hours they have a warrant for an ons arrest the top something like engine now my JJ like the face like what you mean what you BJ another course as J story isn't true but he says he doesn't know why G would lie either he says when he first heard with McGill J's name in connection with his own arrest he's just confused at the same God heard our story like how you know we're talking about you know that I had no idea and the reaction he gave me was like the plague of the week there was some secret feud between was not that I know of no drug deal gone wrong neither had bad mouth the other stone the other's girlfriend Dear Non tell it it sounds like they don't even know each other very well when I first asked him what their friendship was like what J was like as a person and I really had to reach his like them Jay worked he wasn't that into sports they generally how this is like say why people like this into a laudable things my head like a heavy metal I guess you know I can't really um I just you know just kinda gals if you couldn't even really recall a huge long conversation that we are at other than a specific subject you that some of the sesame or summon her to go now we would necessarily my cheek and say we would necessarily be kickin it per se is a non speak for yes we smoked we together but we weren't close however and none was close with Stephanie J's girlfriend very close and a nun says That's the only thing he can think of now that might have turned against them Stephanie was smart to the top athlete at the school she is beautiful by any standard shook like a model she came from a family of achievers who did not approve of Jay but had no problem with that non so maybe Stephanie's relationship with an eye on how affectionate they were with each other the constant talking on the phone the prom prince and princess stuff maybe that was knowing ha I'm not the setters said Christina was a non lawyer like you know well thought of the clothes I was the deputy they like you know it you'd ever like idiot like you know you'd ever thought that the Robert J out like no one ever utilize the issue worm like it read like I was like now I'm thinking of all the things that took place between the ballots are to make sense like maybe he was you know that a lot about the the the the nun says he didn't feel betrayed by Jay exactly because again they weren't good enough friends for betrayal he says it was more a feeling of injustice felt by the day was more SoCal like I'm on my that was kind of like maybe the police are putting them up to this maybe somehow I got caught up for me I thought maybe that claim the reward money and he got caught of situation so Amira Kailey don't know I don't know the part of me that I want to make accusation against them in the psyche you know not be sure that to happen to be a year after and nine was arrested in the case came to trial J walked up to the witness stand there was a moment when a non muttered something to him he says he couldn't help himself the judge called the attorneys up to the bench quote I was just informed by my sheriff that the defendant made a comment to the witness as the witness approached the stand indicating that he was prophetic the judge said on to advise Mr. Sai ed but up until now he has been perfect don't spoil it taped interview the detectives asked J why would non turn to someone to help them with this murder the call you the will of the criminal element of Woodlawn he says the procedure the whole preceded by how honest you but you the air near the the issue that we owe him this year want to do things here and ailments are willing to listen in awe disposing of the art get to wear in her closing argument at trial Prosecutor Casey Murphy pose this why him question to the jury about J think about it she said you really believe that the defendant meaning in on the go to one of his upstanding magnet School honor student friends or friend from the mosque to a system with this act of course not he needed someone who behaved a little more dangerously than those people he needed someone who took risks the defendant hopes that you will look at Jay and say I don't believe him that is why the defendant chose J because of something went wrong the defendant could point the finger at Jay this idea this is what Jay's more or less trying to communicate to the cops but they asked him if you're actually not the type of guy who knows where to bury a body then why did you help why didn't you go to the police instead gives you the scar tissue has all the more you are you actually only understand you're the one who asked that the news they go to the active Army was the cops is a killer say the tree but is generally Israelis should promise to do it and got rap sheet as long as it is a downer as to what I see the records are from the one to go see the fish down the car keys in my car is not his you know I mean just from the industry snow the city is the RV and yes I know are the kinds of messed up the art show will be restful ok this any sooner if you don't want to go to the police herself how about making an anonymous call than you could have done it right after shows you the body as relieving the Best Buy parking lot you're buying all our use of your or I always say someone has just been in the murders of the R Us here are a good we're afraid of some description are you getting the stuff that you are armed and the understand why will this person is just like shock of our It is the key as you are bald and thus beyond belief other than you be afraid of the lease he has a use of them were knows the soap was the US Army getting locked up the shore being as determined by the and the The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The he says but just feel bad about it that I got to say ll the the to the the cops have a struggle with J I have a struggle with J He is the biggest mystery of this whole case for me the cops interview him at least four times that I know about to those on tape and J also tells the story at trial not once but twice because the first proceeding ended in a mistrial so at least say six times he's told what happened and each time some details shaft some of these discrepancies seem small to me and understandable but some are significant and confounding and that distance between where a certain detail starts and where it ends up how far it slides and Wyatt slides I spent untold hours trying to measure that distance trying to weigh it for clues as to what might actually be true for example this is from taped interview the cops are asking about what he and nine did that morning of the thirteenth The The The The all our shopping together now here's to interview number two for March fifteenth two weeks later the British got to security for all the different mall security scream o couple miles away I put this one in the category of probably not a big deal right maybe Jay misspoke when he said Westview initially they're a bunch of little things like this for example when they're driving afternoon after they've ditched his car the I seventy park and ride the first trial J says they both got high and Don's car but the second trial he says only he smoked and nine didn't want to then there are more significant changes but still you can chalk them up to Jay trying to protect his friends or trying to protect himself in the first taped interview Jay says they're grabbing some food at a restaurant when Officer at cop calls in on asking if the scene had a next time he tells it he says that when that call comes at a friend's apartment a friend whose father happens to be a homicide detective in another county J tells the cops actually been her house three different times that day the unwanted are in trouble in the first tape statement J says he refused to help dig a grave for hay two weeks later he says they both dug the hole but then there are other changes bigger changes where it's harder to judge why the details shaft this one for instance in the first taped interview Jay says a non only told him that same day that he was going to kill had two weeks later J says that a non had started talking about it beforehand four or five days before the ER they said the case today and he says that non enlisted his help with the murder on the twelfth night before he disappeared in this version J tells Jen about it in advance too but by the time she testifies at trial he goes back to the first version again that he knew nothing until the day of and that he didn't really take it seriously the there so many more of this whole side trip but not in J's family take that afternoon after he's been killed to smoke some weed and perhaps the state park the trip disappears by trout just dropped out of the narrative and his whereabouts in between the time he drops it on back at school at midday when he meets back up with him later that afternoon the stories about where he is or so messy and so confusing that I can even keep the different version straight but none of these discrepancies gives me or I think the cops as much pas as this next one this is the mother of what the cops called Jay's inconsistency zz it's about where it done first showed him his body in the trunk of a car here's from taped interview J says a non called him about three forty five pm saying come pick me up to the The shed in the city court was reviewing the The Strip is a small outdoor drug market is that a block we can buy drugs J tells the cops that it takes me about fifteen or twenty minutes to get to the location on Edmondson and later when the cops drive out with J to get his car Jayce chosen the spot and snap and you just a few blocks from where they ditched his car he said Now listen to what he says on March fifteen and while in route to your house yes you see some of the Yes on his cell which yes and the conversation was what are they giving him a Best Buy Best Buy just like Jen had originally told them This is a problem for the cops this change because it's not something you forget where you were when you saw a dead body in the trunk of a car it's not a slip of the tongue and it's not clear what the calculation as Edmondson Avenue versus the Best Buy parking lot with the advantage of one place over the other why tell this lie maybe just saying it because it matches Jen story or delighted and in the first place and then forget her friend his work for a long time in the Baltimore judicial system she knows a lot of cops and she reminded me when I was telling about this case cops are the most skeptical people in the world they pretty much assume everyone is lying to them all the time to go very aren't new bees recovery came from a law enforcement family his father had been captured in the homicide unit in fact Ritz was known in the department and in the state's attorney's office as a skilled and meticulous investigator so there not suckers there taking careful note of the changes in J stories that's why they keep going back to him to clear out the inconsistency is the second taped interview ago very confronts J ticking off a list of the main things he's lied to them about and Jay admits to all eyes but even so what struck me is that they don't really press him on any event the most forceful ago very gets is in this exchange about the location of the trumpet he actually killed her ass by to hear about your present for that why did you lie about the location I figured there's cameras there it's either him or you actually did system sushi why would you lie about because I'm a location in situ je la ye J is saying I figured there were security cameras at Best Buy so that's why I lied because they want to be associated with a What is he talking about this is nonsense
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S01 Episode 04: Inconsistencies

S01 Episode 04: Inconsistencies

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