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S01 Episode 06: The Case Against Adnan Syed

S01 Episode 06: The Case Against Adnan Syed

Update: 2014-10-3094
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The physical evidence against Adnan Syed was scant - a few underwhelming fingerprints. So aside from cell records, what did the prosecutors bring to the jury, to shore up Jay's testimony? Sarah weighs all the other circumstantial evidence they had against Adnan, including curious behavior, a disconcerting note, and an unexplained mid-afternoon phone call.

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previously when serial the high point of the second place right many have called Say started its two fifty one and we're making right out of the Best Buy parking lot isn't that sort of tantamount to saying they think is telling the truth and singing the cell phone was in Lincoln Park The The The the most from the say the and the it's cereal one story told week by week and Sarah Cain in the most incriminating piece of physical evidence against the non sei ed was a fingerprint or other palm print on the map it was one of those big map books you buy a gas station police found in the backseat of his car on the back cover was a partial print of the nuns left palm one page was ripped out from the map a trial they pointed out that it was the page it showed we can park the defense argued well you can put a time stamp on fingerprints they couldn't six week old fingerprints or six month old fingerprints there's no way to tell the nun had written in and driven his car many times other friend said so ripped out page showed a whole lot more than just the can park in fact it showed their whole neighborhood the school the malls probably ninety percent of where they most often drove and that Paige didn't have a nose prints on it his palm print was only on the back cover of the Book Bus thirteen other unidentified prints turned up on IN THE map none of the match to none or Jay so the prince weren't exactly conclude sets few weeks here and Dan today I'm just going to allow the rest everything else that a person could reasonably to the add on that I the movies I've mentioned before but just hang them all up side by side and see what first off there's the question of whether a nun asked Hey for a ride that day after school was he looking for an excuse to get in her car to kill her sister add cut testified that the day she disappeared and non told him he asked for ID and then later told a different copy didn't ask for ID then you know of none says he can't really remember much at all about the day he went missing just a normal which stands out wondered about that the normal most of the day because with a call from Officer at kayak asking whether he seen hey just in of itself wouldn't back home a kitten not normal day something pretty unusual did happen to you that day which was the last call you and said You know is reall know Well yeah I remember the fall color that you remember the highs because the craziest thing I have a police call your phone never forget that this is the only thing about the day that seems weird to me that you wouldn't then that the day wouldn't then come into focus for you because you got this call from the cops and you know you you're high you're young you know it's a it's a scary call the Gatorade just a jarring call to get me at the time the only thing I really associate with that call was going to be a lot of trouble she gets over to the police are at our house you know it from other actually for whatever reason shooting go home she went somewhere else in no way to associate this call would be you know the beginning of this whole thing is not in no way is this like foreshadowing of a three word what's what's to come to me all this call was made to get a lot of trouble her mother's sister when she comes home to be fair none if this really was his reaction that he wasn't the only one the seriousness of his disappearance to start sinking in with her friends for while school was cancelled on January fourteenth and fifteenth because of the ice storm and the weekend came then Monday was Martin Luther King Day so the kids didn't all reconvene at school until the following Tuesday all of his friends I spoke to said they initially thought hey had either run off some plays with her new boyfriend on or this is another rumor that a lot of people talked about the time that she'd run off to California friend said she talked about that sometimes that her dad or maybe is her step dad was in California and she wanted to go there he told the cops the same thing next the night before he disappeared but none called her house three times seems like the only time they actually spoke was the third call twelve thirty five am that's going on says he was probably calling to give his new cell phone number and she does her diary here's something that makes me pause though if you look at his cell records from that day forward near his home number nor her pager shows up again which suggests he never tried to contact her after she went missing they're supposedly such good friends his friend Asia such as paging her like crazy did you ever try to page her and just like you know if you could find or phrase heresy if you get a response from her well I know that we would always I can remember budget page or not we would always talk about in school I would always like get my information first half by Keiser who would usually be in contact with I can remember she was making contact with family Malik Allen always if not I showed Crist are or what I was around that not even thinking of our knot page or whatever but I just always get my information from them firsthand it's not it's not that I don't refer the case or not it just seems like I know Krista was trying to pay generation was trying to pager during this time it is good where are you where you where you and I was wondering if you had were in that group of like where are you a question I don't know I'm just explaining why I'm asking that I'm explaining why I'm asking is that it seems like from the relationship you had with her you would have been one of those people saying hey give give give a holler okay we're all worried about you know right along side with them though it's not like there's a whole cross each other every day we're talking about it's not like you know that I come to like whatever he comes up in conversation and leave it to another side of the classroom or something like that just as involved as they are yes yes I mean I don't know the Then there's some stray things that then or if Amy much of anything but I'ma tell you about them in case the note came up at trial after Hayden on broke up in early November he had written and not a frustrated letter really that the situation is going the way this route you know people break up all the time your life is not going to end he'll move on to now move on but apparently don't respect me enough to accept my decision and quote Asia Pittman read this know to trial he was her best friend cannot have show nation the latter apparently in health class and they'd written notes to each other on the back Asian pencil and nine in pan they were joking making fun of hay making fun of themselves it's all just silliness then at the top of the page it says I'm going to kill in pan talk to Asia about it I mean did you take any of that is as menacing or anything which is a part of the joking of no it just seems that guys are just messing around on the was riding with it so for to see it later it was one of those things where it's like that's weird to see that but I don't know when that would have been written or what was a part of the conversation now because I remember when she showed a renter in just like on it was our conversation on letterhead and then at the top of it was kind of out of context did you take it to mean anything if you take it to be meaningful I guess I don't know because when first seeing that part of it was sitting in court having to read the rest of the letter police had found the note when they searched in our house but who knows about that one right seems like a detail you'd find in a cheesy detective novel the other one I'm not sure about is this kind of stray report in the police file a guy named Dave had called the cops and said My daughter just heard something about a dead body Dave told the cops it was the neighbor boy who mentioned at Dave names the neighbor boy but I was going to call him the neighbor boy here's Dave I just remember he had told my daughter he had seen a body of a girl in the back of such in the truck of some vehicle and seemed to me that it was a nice It was like an Oriental girl or something but that's that's all I remember that's all I know about it do you tell it to you're just here to honor my daughter he did talk to me Dave gave me his daughter's number went to see right away her name is Laura here's what she remembered about with the neighbor boy told her that day he was he was with a friend and the friends said something like Look what I have any pop the trunk and that's what I saw you seem upset he seemed disturbed more like Oh wow I can't believe it I just saw Thomas like he was maybe getting something off his chest that type of thing I asked Laura to the neighbor boy tell you the name of this friend who showed him the body I think the guy's name was me at nine am so this guy said my friend on and showed me the body of a girl in the back of a car yes do you think you sign the truth yes lor din go to Woodlawn she didn't know a non should know the neighbor boys since they were little they're friendly or said she never spoke to police about this they never questioned her so this sounds really really bad grade that there was another witness besides Jay who saw his body who saw and nine with his body that's huge but I called the neighbor boy that same night he's now somebody else's neighbor and he was affable and patient and he wholly deny this episode is pretty convincing he said quote The only dead body of scenes on TV God's honest truth for my great grandmother she died when I was like nine the neighbor man said he wasn't friends with it non he was friends with J though they smoked weed together I suggested maybe Jay told him the story any kind of a perforated and told it to the neighbor girl the freak her out and he said no way quote I wouldn't kid around about something like that the mental me the cops came to see em and he told them the same thing you know anything and he wrote out a statement to the same effect to a private investigator who was working for the defense in Ann's case of Reddit This is what's weird that original police report about Dave and his daughter Laura is dated April twenty eighth by that time and jail for nearly two months but Laura impression that whatever happened to her neighbor had just happened she told her dad he called the cops right away when I talk to friends of J's who also knew the neighbor boy and they said Oh that guy they give the impression the neighbor boy was a bit of a gossip guy and talented at keeping secrets which could play either way I guess but they meant like nobody would tell him anything they want to stay quiet the neighbor boy never shows up at trial he's never mentioned so I let it go but you know it is weird and flora story is true then there's another witness to this murder one of the things about this case a kind of bobs above the water for me like a disturbing buoy the the the the then there's Kathy that's not her real name was changed her voice mankind her Kathy mentioned her before she saw and together acting suspiciously there were cheeses is shady at a critical time that evening the thirteenth the day he disappeared he go buy Jay's story he brought in on to Kathy's apartment after he picked and nine up from track practice so after he'd been killed but before they went to bury her body about six o'clock at night and they all three at nine Jay and Kathy acknowledge being together at the apartment there's no dispute about that Kathy was a close friend of Jan's they were sorority sisters Jean huge a little bed that only through Jan she didn't know it not at all so here is an acquaintance J and a stranger recently shuttered or other members at night pretty clearly her boyfriend Jeff was there the apartment to the surprised look on his because he didn't come last it was with Janet Elliott called to say hai Zhong yuan hang out nothing like asses James E which is probably the door and weaning age and you once loved you want to hang out and be like playing on a second asking Jeff you know if you wanted to achieve the door amount of sun for my Tuesday and no school so JK many the injuries to his frown thinking introduced to my knees I think it is like you know it's a friend of mine Kathy remembers J sat over by the table in a non settled on the floor and some big cushions that were there and didn't speak to the guy wasn't doing a lot of talking like you are just like slumped over and missed an electrician is some kind like thought it was really strange like you is this Get innocuous at home when I first heard about Cathy's statement or testimony didn't seem like a big deal to me is a girl who says some kids she didn't know who is high was acting strangely in her living room I've been that girl for Christ sakes having to deal with the stone friend of a friend on the living room floor probably been that weird guy in the floor at least once but listen to Kathy tell it all these years later the way it stuck with her how she describes the whole night just feeling wrong but also made it stick with me I thought J was acting not as wow June is the super laid back stoner guy like shaggy from Scooby doo now he's being conspicuously chatty how's your day what's going on in that lake filled dominated conversation really she says while Jane and nine were there Jen called the apartment or maybe it was she who called and she can remember now but she does remember talking to Jan and saying Jays here was some kid who's practically passed out on the cushions Jen for those curious like Jay doing they're still Kathy that Jade been acting weird earlier in the day to the story Kathy Stein is pretty close to what she told the cops during the investigation Detective McGill a very interview Kathy in March of ninety nine after Nona been arrested she told him back then she remembered a non saying only one thing to the group how do I get rid of a high uh the uh the the uh the uh the uh the the it where he was going to go who is going to be the the the the tops of the the the he the he the the the big booboo three incoming calls them the color pink hours near Kathy's house six o seven six O nine six twenty four pm that's the longest one for more than four minutes we don't know for sure who they're from but officer at Cut testifies that he calls around this time he thinks the six twenty four college probably him and his brother Young also cause in on around this time looking for Sister don't know who the third call is from Kathy definitely remembers and nine getting one phone call while he was at her apartment she says they're sitting around talking one of Kathy's favorite shows is on the TV Judge Judy fan rings and then said anything little time yet been there so any answers are found and he sang What am I gonna do when I can say that I can talk to me when i supposed is that a number of sounding very worried concerned you like this with whatever was happening was not good on the other line home remember being like Wow you know under Woody's counties dropping basically um you know wondering what was going on and then not too long after he hung up the phone he laughed just bust out the door left Jay follows at nine am leave his hat and smokes behind Kathy says to go downstairs and then she says they get in a car and just sit there in the car for a while and so another outside in the car going to the window liquidity killing you know Jeff were in the car just sitting there you know what was going on in designing the whole situation super super strains and Jaffe justly and give a shit about anything again matter who you know who cares you know um just for being like you is going on and was it was it like you'd never met the other guy before going on right so you don't know what was normal behavior for Han normal behavior for I mean anybody I mean dat was juz coz of sch you know well you know him or not clearly tell something was going on something's going on wasn't good and now here is just radiating from anybody think that span the one thing I have always remembered like how he said how he looked when he says it has definitely been tough for me worry and I can imagine I was in the position that I would have been saying on the phone to my best friend in Oh my god what am I gonna do they're going to come talk to me when this business I am trying to come up with some story quickly though the the hours later at the end of the night she came back to Kathy's again without going on but this time Jen was with them being late so let the fox I remember kind of them both being like nothing in own hands smoothing it over a little bit it was kind of like the video and the second thing that you could definitely tell it was a big deal and whatever was going on mechanically Secret War in town because Jen I were best friends Amy and we talked about everything everywhere and we didn't do anything without talking about it are you I knew it she was wearing in the shes going at night you know I know you're his touch on the phone you know those little strange that was a so what happened I didn't get a full like a cow the the the er the the the next summit I do when I told him how Kathy still remembered all the stuff how shady the whole scene was for her the he said that on a bunch of levels we kept it to say didn't hold much water with them first of all if someone had called him to warn him the police were about to call why would he then answer the phone when the police called me to expect from the police tell me if I would answer the phone that I could just turn the phone offers a free kick on the Thomas the scenario I'm trying to avoid the police to me that I would phone a gauge of a conversation well but there's also the other thing where you just like to stack normal everything's or sugar high yeah I don't know is our after school who know you know like where you try to just play it cool but the Phillies third person to start individual right which seem to make more sense to have a conversation with J which clearly they said that was not the full moon write her story would imply a third man a co conspirator someone in on would be on the phone with the clearly knew about the murder so who with his third collar be there for snowfall some point every other benefits ear doesn't mean it's that's a hard one to her testimony does not look good for you you know because she's not really connected to JH is not connected to you you know she's a little bit more objective I would say and she really thought you were acting very strangely you now so it didn't it's not good for EO which she has to say in the midst of you but I think this is not good for me a person believes in there which they say but UW L which is our first question what to say specifically that links the haze mark sheet and they say that she saw me with any type of equipment or materials are dirty clothes or disheveled or anything like that hurt he will be put back at home mommy so he should do something you definitely you just feel really all this in the cot is in the context of her leaving ok well maybe he did this story starts with this and you know it now all this stuff makes sense whatever we may not have been estranged had never been charged with this Masters Augusta to get a second thought had never been charged with his murder maybe maybe not the oh there's a second person who puts strain on together that night and that's Jan now last episode we talk about those two incoming we can park cars on the call log at seven o nine seven sixteen N J says they were bearing hey the ones where we think the cell phone really was in Lincoln Park well Jen has a cameo in that scene Jen says she was one of those incoming calls should she call the cell phone around that time looking for J but that the non picked a hidden identify myself that she assumed it was a non hears from her police interview with the O The A J because the way we can get the sense that our day can vary by the story is true it does look an awful lot like nine was in Lincoln Park that night busy night handing the phone over to J the second time Jen puts them together that night is pretty soon after that when she picked J up sometime after eight o'clock so in J's timeline after they've already buried hey she says she arranged to meet him in the parking lot of Westview Mall she says she saw them arrive in a non scar the the the the cell and the parking lot the SNG Tony G were sly is the scene the Vietnam side that tea towels always stuck with me to the gents as an on scene to normal she says neither his nor Jays closing master dirty non doesn't remember seeing Jen at Westview Mall or where he dropped off J that night and J doesn't say he met Jen and Wes you either matter fact Chase as consistently that a non dropped him off at home and then Jen showed up at his house to get M J stuck to that even a trial when it contradicted Jones' story the thing about Jan and Kathy though is that even if they look great for a non donor actually contradict his own account of that evening which I think is why he kind of shrugs them off and I am sometimes tempted to shrug them off because that none has always admitted he was hanging out with J that night so so what if a couple people saw them together does that prove but now we come to the big one the one nobody can shrug off this call well this is a bad metaphor for a phone call but of all the cars on the lot this is the one I think of as the smoking gun call its initial call think of it as a title capitalized the Nisha call between noon and five pm that day there are seven outgoing calls on the log six of them are two people Jay knows the seventh is Tunisia someone only you a non story is that his cell phone were separated that day from lunchtime all the way into laughter track at around five something but initial call happens at three thirty two p m smack in the middle of the afternoon the prosecution makes much of this call it closing I can see why NJ second tape statement granted it's the one where detectives are showing him the call records to take the military is asking J about all those afternoon calls on the lot between three and four o'clock again Jay says this is when they were driving all around Forest Park in Evanston Avenue looking for weed the air and on camera whether you see the place to call but remember you talking to a girl our own camera name on the phone with the right circle to where she led our source for your car in a no go any idea why not call this individual and sodas for him after he is just now strangle his girlfriend I don't and I have no idea why are people in any conversation or change anything just are Kason talk to Nisha his high school student and told them the other was a time when I spoke to in on his cell and he put his friend J on the phone Nisha testified at both trials for smoking gun she's very cute like a chipmunk to afternoon tea into it over the idea is from trial number one home that little hard to recall but I remember him telling me that J and Biden invited for a video study work that and he basically what I walked in with the cell phone and he said like he told me just the good chair now said OK to stay wanted to say hi I said Hi today and that's all I can barely recall what the data that occur by leaping towards evening but I can't be exactly sir the prosecutor Kevin you're Eric asks her if this call the three thirty to call the log could it be that same color and non pajama phone and she says it could mean that I'm not sure J did work in a porn video store he worked mostly nights there so it makes sense this call would have happened towards the evening what doesn't make sense Nisha saying this call happened at the video store is that J didn't have that job yet on January thirteenth as far as I can tell from Jay's own testimony and from the notes of a private investigator for the defense who interviewed the video store manager Jay didn't start working there until the very end of January so listen to what happens at the second trial I don't have the tape but I have a transcript your tasks nice to know that there ever come a time when the defendant college and put a person he identified as J on the line yes she says please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what that call consisted of Nisha starts to answer basically J had asked him to come to an adult video store that he worked at but then your interrupts or he says no don't tell is the content of the call that tried to gas to the prosecutor is trying to get her to not mention the video store because it contradicts their story so
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S01 Episode 06: The Case Against Adnan Syed

S01 Episode 06: The Case Against Adnan Syed

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