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S01 Update: Day 03, Adnan Syed’s Hearing

S01 Update: Day 03, Adnan Syed’s Hearing

Update: 2016-02-0624
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February 2016: Sarah Koenig ducks back into the Adnan Syed case for a few days. There’s a hearing in Baltimore—a court proceeding that’s been nearly sixteen years in the making. Syed’s attorney will introduce new evidence, and present a case for why his conviction should be overturned. Sarah and producer Dana Chivvis will discuss what happens, day by day.

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Farah came clean to the message damages and yummy the now well hi hi since Friday night You're in Baltimore Friday in Baltimore Sookie so you ended the day yesterday and there's this one big question which is was the phone in the can park and I am one very curious to know if you don't answer that question so I don't know you texted me you take the time and said you had an answer for me what I have the answer to is the thing you're dying to know is what does a TNT mean when it says you can't use incoming calls for Shadow caution says so here's here's the answer that the state's expert said today with that means is it's it's referring not to cell towers but it's referring to the switch this are granted like the giant brain of all this of the cell towers in an area it's the thing the sides like which targets which channels which call I believe so you probably know about that better than I do yet ok and so he's saying the best the best explanation he could oh by the way forgot to tell you this those switch that covers the DC Baltimore area or at least did the one that did in nineteen ninety nine if it's the same one but it's called the dog bone but I thought was funny the day to hug the phone why he has because it's it covers two metropolitan areas so it's like you know like a ball at what Annan about the other great thing obviously I've received just under eight with barely a TNT folks in the know call it the dog bone anyway what he's saying the best the best explanation that this cell tower expert gave him he's a he's an FBI agent and his specialty is salt our analysis ok so what he's saying is what that disclaimer means is for example say I live in Atlanta that's and so that's my home switch is going to be Atlanta say I get an airplane I turn my phone off again an airplane I fly to Baltimore and I arrive in Baltimore I don't turn on my phone like I'd never I don't enter right away the Baltimore cellular network but calls are coming into my phone while it's off those calls on a call log on a record of my activity will show the Atlantis which for those calls when I'm actually in Baltimore but my phone doesn't know yet that I'm involved that is actually a question that I have had for like two years I know but it is FBI expert is saying that doesn't apply to the leaking part costs because the issue with those we can park cars was cell towers not switches so he's saying this the self testimony the trial is fine yeah well he's saying there's one call actually that he disagrees with them and for anyone who's got the call log in front of them it's the five fourteen colleges a voice mail call um but yeah basically other than that one call he's saying he thought that the cell tower expert who testified at an ounce original trial did a perfectly fine job and he agreed with that testimony erm but it's the expert the sole expert who testified for an on side who testified yesterday disagree completely and he's saying that that original cell testimony from an honest trial doesn't hold up because the expert back then never saw that disclaimer and that this that disclaimer does apply to cell towers so that's the problem and they're going to continue to fight about that it's good to be this is going to be a brawl over this thing it's still going like they they're not done cross examining him I say and they added another day to the hearing on Monday and I could even see it going beyond Monday frankly a lot to cover ok so this is not this is not settled at all is not tied up or eight no ah so what else happened today so the rest the day was all about the alibi issue and comes to things happened in that one is that an onside put on an investigator and they hired an investigator and they basically said look they gave him Kristina terraces entire alibi witness less that she had disclosed to the state back in the day before the first Ryo proceed into their lane on the original defense attorney his original defense attorney the one who all this is about and she had eighty some names on this last rise like a huge long last so Justin Brown's team had said to this investigator arate go find as many people as you can off this list and find out if they spoke to Christina G chairs or her office back then and what he said as he was able to get in touch with forty one people of those four people said they had spoken to Christina and none of them was spoken to about being an alibi witness horses and only four people wow and so was one of those things realized wow that doesn't sound good you now um it was a little it was like yeah but then the stay came back and sort of showed a bunch of documents from her files all of which meet you and I've seen I mean they're all stuff we have as well and I remember these two and you know it does show that they were doing some work to find witnesses to find alibi witnesses to speak to people to subpoena people so it was just it was a little bit mushy like the back and forth of that it was kind it felt like sort of a dryer something I don't know it is likely whatever she did wasn't great that was in her defense she just didn't go that route possibly for lack of trying but she didn't do nothing on it so was a little hard data sounds inconclusive it was inconclusive who won that round have to say I was there super star witness today or something like that yes of the most drama probably that happened was that this guy Dave Irwin testified for the defense as an expert witness in criminal defense and he's a he's a criminal defense attorney yay longtime attorney you know he's been an attorney since the early seventies and he's had worked as a prosecutor read worked as an assistant AG he'd work for the Justice Department he has his own private practices litigator he teaches how to do Colonel defense work and he's just he's well versed yeah yeah distinguished career and he was just so unequivocal about how there's no excuse he can think of for why she did an investigator at the minimum investigate Asia and he just put in since such like this no uncertain terms like he basically said if you have a credible alibi witness that is the best possible defense you can have great and so he's like That's which are always looking for and he told this parable actually about a long time ago when he was I think it was he was saying he was a prosecutor at the time he had this case and the defense put up this alibi witness who said you know actually at the time of the crime I saw the defendant on a bus traveling to Philadelphia are some summer like that and um and he said he came back at this woman any such is the casino Leo woman and said like how do you know you had the right day and she goes Will was my birthday and so did a really stuck out to me yeah he said it was totally humbling to me and he said ever since I've been looking for Asia McClain I hate that because he was saying how that case really reminded him of this one because it was the same kind of witness right like that's who you will a Stephanie J McLean like that's the caliber that she was that was that that cases Asia McClain yet and I like English McKay is the same caliber as as this woman who remembers the date specifically because of her day exactly exactly very believable very credible very likable and then Justin Brown kind of ticked through all the things that's this stage it's had criticized about her letters and her memories of like you know this the inconsistency is fine consistency czar it seems like she's too eager to help or could have possibly contradict did you know a statement that the that had not had said to the police about where he when he was just like now now now now he was like everything about her letters seemed like assets to him he was like first of all she's bringing up the surveillance stuff the possible surveillance cameras in the library and he's like regardless of whether it exists the fact that she wants it to exist mean she's so confident in what she remembers that she wants it corroborated right so that's good that she's just very confident in what she remembers saying she's not really good friends with it non or with hay and he's like that's perfect because she knows them both but she's not going to be biased because she's not good friends with either one of them yet um he said o Oh the fact that she's offering up her boyfriend and her boyfriend's friend you know who all has a backup who could backer of seems like she's giving you two more classes he's like she's perfect and he said in a situation like that you immediately pounce you move as fast as possible and you go in person talk to that witness always always check out the way the very moment thing it was so he was just so categorical about it was like nahh he's and then he said in terms of what he thought he could have done for it on skis he called it a game changer he said he said it would have changed the ballgames results and that's of course that thing right that that nuns side needs to show is that it would have changed the outcome of the trial if she had testified at the time and so his upshot was just like so you know his analysis was Christina was loitering fell below the standard required by law basically he sounds like a very good witness for the fact he was a he was a great witness for the defense I mean I felt convinced well that day but you know hold off because they did not cross examine him so they say and not had its crack it back i ok and he said before this didn't turn out to be the last day in the hearing and they're going to continue on Monday yet again to continue on Monday um okay but I I can be here Monday I can cover a Monday no we need you did get we need you to go home I know so I have to do our other or season to podcast have to make the next episode or it won't happen so that we needed to do that I think what we'll do is I'll cover it in some way I definitely when the judge rules probably something on our website so when you write that with the flat people now on the email it'll be on the on the website ok yes that sounds good um do we know when we don't know when the judge will rule but I mean he'll probably take some weeks an and do it carefully and come up with his ruling he seems um you know he seems very deliberate and very ah he seems to be listening very carefully can you can use explain what the possible outcomes are like What are the possible things that he could decide right so me all of this is about will he will this judge decide that he thinks of non should get a new trial so if he decides to that he thinks and nineteen should get a new trial based on these issues I mean I gotta think the state will appeal that so an appeal will happen if if if he says No I don't think and nine she get a new trial then it goes back to the Court of Special Appeals for them to decide what to do so probably either way the outcome will be it's going to go back to the appeals court but that said it's like this does not feel like some sort of like technical or bump along the way that like they're just sort of getting through to get things on the record you know it feels like it's a real sort of like fight for survival in there and it feels like a mini trial really is what's happening even though it's not a trial that is how it feels the way the the rate I should probably hang up the item laid out by Dana hit by the way I quit going to go join the FBI cellphone investigate or a division oh no it's not called that was called it's called cast cellular analysis survey team that's what you need to join you could be a cast member of the
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S01 Update: Day 03, Adnan Syed’s Hearing

S01 Update: Day 03, Adnan Syed’s Hearing

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