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S02 Episode 07: Hindsight, Part 1

S02 Episode 07: Hindsight, Part 1

Update: 2016-02-1822
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It makes sense if you’re Bowe Bergdahl.

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I convinced her that actually one of the moment of adrenaline the moment previously on cereal the we all felt like why are we up here here you can do anything they just keep going going around shaking hands and oh yeah that's a classic I love it and this is the one where I said I don't see more this fucking mourns her radio show and I I said out loud let's do this for the commanders about what you can shave there was a manipulation going on Her Arms is to cease everyone's a place and she ain't da da FBI in a false assumption that America doesn't leave Americans behind your statement is three hundred and eighty pages the skins me can I talk to somebody I need to report a missing person from This American Life and the BBC Chicago it's cereal one story told week by week and Sarah Canuck if I were a soldier with some pride with principals and I had to come up with the reason for walking off into Afghanistan for causing a crisis on so many levels I might engineer something like those explanation that I was sacrificing myself for the team is I thought they were in danger it's a way to save face to say my intentions were noble and good over the months of reporting the story I have wondered about this whether Bo is really telling the truth about why he left his platoon or if he was telling the version he could live with Mark and I also did this of course when we're talking Mark took the microphone and started to interview me well I guess I'm a just a more do you think he's lying I know I mean I'm just asking the kiss the cute n still i produced and still bothers me remember they could cheat and the Taliban said they first captured Bowen he wandered into could cheat and near could cheat and which wasn't part of those tying it all made me think if Bo had walked into a could cheat and maybe wasn't really headed to feature on a to tell someone about leadership problems may be used to try to run away looking for help Mark and I had that conversation back in September I've since moved on from the kitchen tent I don't think it's verifiable or that much of a discrepancy with Bo's version of what happened actually while ago but all this is to say I can understand why some people though served with when I first talked to them in my story may be concocted in hindsight when I put it one of those that inmates chain Crosse he said quote He had some years to work on that the the there's a litany of reasons why someone could be skeptical of those explanation the first his premise that leadership was dangerously bad for the most part the soldiers we talked to didn't agree the fact was they said they actually loved some other leaders of the great and Lieutenant Colonel Clint Baker the Battalion commander Bo responded to so negatively again overall they didn't think he was putting them in situations that were crazy risky or that they can handle then the notion that boat have to do something so dramatic to be listened to the also not true said which is so utterly outlandish it's insulting way why doesn't mesh ow man because of where they were and a couple of days prior they were on fire for Ana which is huge and has all sorts of officers any any one of whom he could have gone into RG that's Mark McCrory is an open door policy that allows you to approach any officer in all of the problem doesn't have to be in your chain of command whether an officer would have taken most seriously have to say is doubtful and bony that big when I heard from quite a few people was a boat either was in cahoots with local Afghans or even wanting to contact the Taliban here's Daryl Hansen John Thurman I mean for him just to like walk hour he did like he wasn't afraid of them he had to of had some kind of compassion form and didn't like his firm to walk away you know like I do wear again I have to go back to the question because there's no other option you've either got our side or the Taliban said a lot of people pointed out that Bo hung out with the Afghan police who were also stationed at the outpost at mast had tea with them ate meals with them other people did to his great great food but some people said Bo was there more often seemed more interested in them than other people then Josh quarter said that Bo was was late for a guard shift and had to go looking for him he found him having tea with the Afghans then the day but went missing just as he heard that today NP guys were also unaccounted for two Afghan police were missing as well so that seemed very logical to me that all seem to make sense because the cable have two guides or he has two people he is looking to meet up with the baby Beau had made a deal with these handy guys someone betrayed and sold out to the Taliban I tried to check this and how I call the former governor of petite a province in Afghanistan I had worked pretty closely with the leaders in both Italian but he wouldn't talk to me on a cellphone he did invite me to visit in person which is very nice but not immediately helpful and not see anything about the missing cops in the WikiLeaks reports or in general gals investigation executive officer of those Battalion told me he'd heard this rumor to about the missing Afghans but he did not know if anything came of that Sami Yusuf Syed Afghan reporter asked around about it as well he told us there was a report of a missing Afghan police but was later discredited market heard this rumor too he asked about it the idea was you had some and key guys are and help you out or no or her local police I try I try I knew enough of the culture the situation going on that you do not trust those people and that he was right because those are guys who are turning on us and have every reason to unfortunately both said the reason he hung out with the and he sometimes was because that was part of the mission build a report in case they ever ended up in a firefight together he was trying to do coin he says that's also why he tried to learn a little passion though which some soldiers also said made them suspicious the evidence people point to most often though to support the idea that Bo was simply deserting the end no higher purpose was that he had talked about doing exactly that taking off several people told General Dahl they heard Bo say things about walking into the mountains of Pakistan are heading to India to one person something like this in before he deployed at least Onalaska here's Chris angles probably because closest friend in the platoon him talking about you know the mountains and how great they look in you know imagine walking out there remember all that stuff was right areas off the chain Crossett he had a conversation with the night before he left the okie this evening and the guys were sitting around in the shade of a tract is talking and the topic came up how would you fake your death I'll talk live with either his death Afghanistan war to be the best place to that used to appear severe casualties Annie says that his goal that he would make it that they even get through Pakistan and India and went with a gain over there Austin Land Fred was there too this is the first time he'd ever talked about the night before the Theo Kee and Austin remembers a conversation about the same way Shane does wanting to be a mercenary of sorts and it was something along of He was going to join a group go up in their ranks and chill the leader and then he'd be known for being a mercenary or something like that that's what you remember arm that's what the gist I got a rush rush another big influence in India with Jameson to meet the midst of rush and he worked with the gay and a Russian mob hit man also asked about a weapon he was issued I saw big heavy machine gun change heard a pistol and nine they told me Hey what would happen if your family or disappeared from my control we like this a stupid question again of course and it was your fault this summer to hear from you but I'd get in trouble though didn't take them any last name looking back now though Shane says it's like if an ice cream truck drove by and somebody said having some ice cream and the next thing you know the person's gone in a figure they went after the ice cream truck for his part Austin was reluctant to tell me about this conversation because obviously he knows how it sounds it's a little extreme and I kind of don't want to make him seem like he was crazy or go or not in his right mind cuz we all had weird thoughts while we're over there are isolated from anybody in other words wanderlust the comments like this can seem all that strange that so many people told me fear replace Strasbourg of us were sound means you say some really awful off stuff another platoon mate Jason fry till he wrote letters to a friend when he was in Afghanistan we got them back years later we read through them he thought I was thinking was I As Mark McCrory things that we get away with saying to each other completely ludicrous example for Hood shooting was well on while we were there and that we're watching it on some creamy TV on the Armed Forces Network in the chow hall and my body would suffer because we have to go back out again tonight I made for her look like church I was super G R Kelly be so dark but you know at the time it's it's you know the only kind of humor we understand it wound up pretty tight yeah yeah the generals all considered pointing to the idea that Bo was deserting permanently he heard about the weird comments about the Intel he concluded Bo was telling the truth those quote stated motive was well meaning in his mind already ironically the basis for his stated motive was incorrect quote Mark spent about a year thinking it through and he also ended up believing though lots of reasons partly just for practical reasons for instance Bo was such a careful planner he was an outdoor kid who grew up in the mountains he intended to just disappear permanently dessert I would he bring more food or water hose on his computer and some other stuff home in a box before he left the O P which some people see as evidence he was leaving for good Mark says it has the opposite and take it with you if you're going to India throw in a backpack and a charger a sense of home because he thought he was going stateside because he thought he was going to have an audience or the general and America from Leavenworth is probably true that he anticipated getting his computer back this way there's nothing really at the data points to the idea that this was a permanent departure he just he just didn't pack for that I know this anyway to fake it's just that simple details like this is ultimately not what convinced Marc blogged something like twenty five hours of taped conversations with them and many more hours of conversations not on tape the more I learn about the more I learn about her was mine were and the more I talk to him about the CIA's history the other subjects in realizing that of course I would never walk off base you know of his but he never would that make sense it is it is a totally wack a doodle conclusion to make but but not if your billboard awe that makes blogs and view the how doesn't make sense if your Beau or pull the boat finally sat down for an interview with General Dahl hinges go back to pre deployment to explain what happened once he got to Afghanistan but all the way back home to Idaho to childhood there you have done a lot of thinking while he was locked in that cage with the Taliban the idea of the situation going how to hear the question to me back to my childhood was like my guy here because I but to a small toy ball in the joys with you all know Joy beige and there were we the sword through his upbringing and found wanting the Baxter a literally grew up what might go the middle of nowhere we homeschool in the ER where I grew up by myself taking care of myself being completely isolated from human beings so you just grow up like fucking around unlike Suffolk doubt very much for all you cat and those usually like six cats and dogs horses and then the chicken so I wander around with the young they're going to shut down and just wandered around for about forty acres Senator Brown in a valley outside the small town of Hailey his father worked at UPS his mother home schooled him in his older sister had a hard time with the school learning he couldn't read very well that and you can take in what was on the page and so he wasn't good it is work or he would do it and he says he get punished for that and for other things in a way that he says felt unpredictable to him as he was scared all the time getting in trouble they didn't have the greatest relationship with his parents his dad is a strong personality the first slaying Evo I like to say his death is pretty cool person the buzz is the just the solution was the same one teenagers have used for centuries than get out of the house and start working officially when I turned thirteen about the legal age and so I started spending more time at work now to work and that turned saving grace basically coming out of the house for the Wii so at age thirteen I basically started moving the more time at work and went home to sleep in the directors' go back to work and he was about fifteen both fell in with the family those pretty different from the one he'd grown up with someone he met through his job convinced him to take fencing classes of the Performing Arts School in Ketchum the next town over from Haley Kim Harrison she's the one from episode five who told a story about contacting Interpol him was helping run the school her son also took fencing classes there and her daughter Kayla to ballet soon goes around all the time he ended up becoming attached our family that scale a few people told me if you wanna know about Bo talk to Kayla she understands him Kayla says with her Beau was watchful and serious and very sweet like one birthday for my birthday card he went around our small little town and with a car in just ask random people to sign for me were a little message yet was the coolest baby in and knowing Bowen how shy he is and how little he wants to be noticed and have strangers know who he is and that was an even bigger gestures than it seemed like because you know that's hard for him he doesn't want to do that I don't even like that right this is like teenager Bo that he is super quiet I he he he he would blush very easily very romantic thing that He blesses really easily and you know you even really embarrass them and that he just he didn't he he wanted now here is the gentlemanly as a good where he is very much a gentleman and very very conscious about saying the wrong painter and being inappropriate or anything like that the Harrison's open up a cheap place in Ketchum to ski town the T bar was called strayed a nicer food and had a little bt can have movie nights or host a performance is the hangout basically Kayla and her brother worked there they're both home schooled to go work there Hindus make up we may crave sometimes or mostly he would hide weapons everywhere unlike in the corner and watch people like security the governor has had like random weapons like hidden everywhere there is like to flail like the buy all the gains rate I think was like underneath the cabinet somewhere and there was like I take his next in the third time in Chile I know kind of we thought of a kind of funny but it bugged him it was like I need weapons available when you need them I never had used them obviously but you know he he was in charge of being the safety guy of course he wanted to be the I am sure my money for my mom they as the protector I have heard her mom say this in fact all the friends I spoke to from that circle say the same thing he wanted to protect people the Ketchum was kind of far from Bo's house so Bo began saying at the Harrison's for stretches while he even slept straight to the Kim says especially when he was younger it was like Bo was studying their family and see how they operated and how they got along they argued what action would lead to reaction other people wandered industry began working there and also became part of the family was Chad and neck all these people love them talk about how unusual his smart how playful how creative how totally annoying he can be he might argue with you unrelenting rain to see how far he could push a tape his mouth shut for a couple days see what happened was a teenager who'd never been to school and now with this trigger crowd he was testing out ideas testing of behaviors and maybe more than most people he worked on improving himself as if you are in training friend said it was sometimes a little overboard he might punch trees or bricks to toughen up his hands he wanted to get better at things reading or dancing or writing stories mostly though he was trying to figure himself out it really mattered to him the seeking and knowing what kind of man he was going to be about five years old and he also worked at strata he in Bogota can talk for hours sometimes Nick says it wasn't so much the bow is searching for something concrete like a profession he was wrestling with the big existential questions and I really think so much of it had to do with questions of of virtue what was right more than anything I think that's what he was really working on it and focused on all the time was was coming up with this values from self in and he just did a lot of watching to see else did and reflected against it and wanted to be anyone else's o as in can take anyone else's word for it about what was right what was moral he's going to forge his own code and Kayla says the one he ended up adopting from self was strict and uncompromising I had arguments about this with him about this many times and he gets really you know passionate about it like you know there's a problem in the world but what kind of human you're doing something about it like her or not you're not a good person if you know that there's something wrong doing everything in your power to fix it really is he he holds the world and everybody in it who realistically high expectations and if you don't live by those expectations are and by those morals and that honor that he thinks he should and he tries with himself and has no respect for the stunning understand how the assassin of him possibly the idealists day yet a point where it kind of is to strangle zz how you move through the world or some yet it's really handicapping to him like it's a handicap is constantly struggling to understand how people are okay with everything you know I mean like he doesn't have an understanding of how differently they view the world yes I think he's fully understanding that not everybody can accept the way he thing but that's never going to change the way you think I get a Yeah like is his he has the least flexible system ever the the the the the the various late teens early twenties oh would work for a while in Idaho then take off somewhere for a job or chat then come back and go off again Ken Kayla's mom says no hunger and urgency about him to see the world to gain experience he wanted adventure he loved boats healed water salmon fishing in Alaska in like that too much he went down south to work at a military training camp a place where Special Forces guys would go for a week experience that abo he'd rather be doing what they were doing and what he was doing the all story there the place of the week they disappear to go off and do don't do things a person to come more stories and take in more places we last went to Florida to complete a charter boat course at some point he left for France to join the French Foreign Legion which Kim says she knows he did arrive in France she's just not completely sure what happened after that but im really talk much about it they probably thought he was out of his mind for going there and what you miss his cute blond hair is young cute kid from Idaho with blonde hair blue eyes I'm enjoying the Foreign Legion hey sign me up and they probably thought he was completely bonkers for doing because he was pretty that was just like a really bad choice and of course he tells me about I think are the reason he did was see my face like because he didn't lie about it beforehand though he did only are you kidding me with the dumbest thing ever you know those beginning of me getting incredulous at his choices that was the first of the many other firsts for the first of many are one of many the chain on his by the pics above were a lot of spandex in those days for cycling trip down the west coast which like the Foreign Legion in pen down few days and he got hit by an RV the he was OK but his bike was ruined came back to catch him and started in on the next idea will eventually the next idea became the military which wasn't a huge surprise to his friends Bo's brother in law was in the Navy and Bo had that strong protector quality romantic version of HB share he wanted to be invisible killer said someone who'd be unnoticed in the shadows looking out for the innocent swooping in when they needed him and they knew Bo wanted to put himself in situations that would require courage and grit that would test his mettle so that he could come out the other side and know what kind of so they understood it which is not the same was a good idea please don't do scam who it is a pacifist and he knew how it reacts really predictable that I'm asking him Are you sure this something idea um just for you know not not for everyone but you know for you for all the above reasons this romantic expectations his she worried he wouldn't be able to join the crowd I and not to listen to me um recorded at looking to the Coast Guard because at least then you'll be helping people you'll be like at saving people's lives sitting vessels patrolling waters being in the oceans are all things that you like Sophie must absolutely must then you know that's probably a good option he thought of that already know so he didn't he join the Coast Guard in January of two thousand and six but went to Cape May New Jersey and started treating his nineteen lasted only a few weeks the is still the traditional can mean they're basically put less pressure on you as they possibly can swear at you but innovative instruction they basically get the very good and keeping the pressure on people he didn't want to be weak and want to not be able to participate in that system to achieve those goals but his sensitivities and His way of pondering over thinking things made it incredibly difficult in that environment to survive the journey never actually see the changes they are in a car is like with Jane Seymour was going on there who loathe the fact that growing up Allegro by NGO Lam in a room full of many in being screamed that he didn't take him long to realize he'd want to get out of their money he'd made a mistake and in the communications that I had from him at the time they were becoming increasingly worrisome I was just in pain for him you know I'd read these little notes in the air only I could use a spiral notebooks he flipped the little tear in half and five a m a visa for my five for six with the ripped us piles of the top in this reading really small and the writing would change to the noun in as with stress level increased but the downpour to coast guard Jarvis and seeing that ye are not just people who are out there who'd lived there he bought me this day their lives put it all to know that should make next to me their lives depended upon to keep their backs home was changing is my rambling is more desperate it was just rapidly yeah an even coating I think there were a couple letters back like you know are you okay I'm getting really worried this needs to and you know what can i do was buy this buy the Ori is freaked out one eye because it was too much stress one day out of the blue oceans up and straight to the T bar he's back there all thrilled to see him and also confused what happened where you back he told them something about a psych discharge which he said he pretty much fate but came in the others they really believe them or all or i are according to General Gaza investigation would happen is on Bo's third week of training was found on the floor with blood on his hands and face the one serious nosebleed Bo says now he doesn't remember how he ended up on the floor but that he was so later he was in a fetal position shaking crying was taken to the hospital he told intake people there he felt overwhelmed next were a psychiatrist assessed him and according to Dallas
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S02 Episode 07: Hindsight, Part 1

S02 Episode 07: Hindsight, Part 1

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