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Q&A with Payne Lindsey, Dr. Maurice Godwin, & Philip Holloway 07.20.17

Q&A with Payne Lindsey, Dr. Maurice Godwin, & Philip Holloway 07.20.17

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the the fourteenth so much fun awesome contest my question is more theory now is really the mastermind of all this and he has legal counsel in the form of his core his District Attorney relative we are sowing the seeds with all of these latest messages on Twitter and his girlfriend story is untrue just thought that possibly someone is holding him to break the gag order and way too just so false information that might lead to a mistrial or can see things so much I was absent well certainly very good question and it's unfortunately one the only answer to because there's really no way of knowing just exactly what's going on inside his head it's important to remember he does have a lawyer though it's not the district attorney else's private lawyer and I can hardly fathom an attorney would in the first place advise a client to violate a gag order secondly I can't fathom that an attorney and there's no reason to think that his attorneys anything but completely ethical I can imagine that an attorney would advise a client to be not only violating a gag order but to be saying things that are either true or not true when it could potentially violate any agreement that they may have and further complicate the lawyers efforts to properly defend the client because that's what the lawyer wants to do is they want to operate in the client's best interests and do what's best by the client it would appear from what we've seen that Bono is doing everything he can whether on purpose or not to frustrate his lawyers ability to properly represent him as I've said before if he were my client out to fire his ass a long time ago for conduct like this Hey think this is Michael Smith from Portland Oregon a question about how hall below is we had some discussion of previous i guess about the seat in her car tears or was pushed back quite a bit but Ryan is relatively short guy but I don't recall ever discussing help all below is a disorder that might be another clue in the case love I guess you know it was thanks to Blue Dukes in Ryan Duke or completely different in height voodoo is about six foot two Ryan Duke is about five eight five nine so we're talking about moving the seat back in tears core more sense for a tall person to move the seat back not a short person with the new information about ol' allege an aggressive sexual past and wondering if there was something special between Boeing Tara or both Kara and Ryan for that matter maybe your Ryan was too aggressive and something went wrong maybe they both feel responsibility and work together to burn the body not quite sure but it seems like there could be some correlation was involved in this crime is a lot more than we actually the people suspected he's more of all and just in time we actually don't think he's a little more involved it was easy kind of sexual activity and how it would be against her will because all he has his aggressive behavior issue or would not be consensual the frame bridge is the easiest way to 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first order frame bridge the cum promo code the the the Ottoman from Stockbridge as I said I love the sound of that year having bring a lot of things to light that probably wouldn't have been without you I just finished the last episode that was put out and I was wondering in the E man and a very interesting task with the reporting of this the police and you know if he did or did what the police begin to anything potentially valid until the case and if they do could anything be done about these things because they're pretty incriminating statement that they're right and I was just wondering now how the world cannot possibly in terms of improving those skills other justices are all like an entity for every single person in things oh my it's a pretty angry guys well we don't know what long forces is or is not investigating we don't know what exactly they have or have not investigated Li Li got some pretty good ideas of things but due to the gag order number one and prior to the gag order due to the historic silence by the GBI as to this case in general we're sort of left guessing at what they're looking into but if the GBI now aware and I would have to assume that they are because we have reason to believe that they fall the podcast this is certainly something that if it were my investigation I would want follow up with our want to look into this because it may mean nothing more than somebody is making something up about though that's not true and it may be that some ice telling the truth about something who have been involved in with his ex wife if it turns out to be true then the question is is it relevant to the investigation and if it's relevant to the investigation than they would need to look more closely at both past and in particular his past conduct because it may have some bearing on his credibility and if his credibility is in question than they may need to go back and take a closer look at what he's told them about his involvement in this case so far and whether or not he's been truthful and if you take that a step further if there's a trial in the case we want to know is what Bo says the trial is true and that's something that's important for both prosecution and the defense to really get their head wrapped around his bows credibility on the witness stand if this were my case an hour in charge of the investigation at this point I would take a very very close and hard look at Bo's entire social including any dating sites he may have been involved and any own he may have had I would look into every personal with anybody that I could find to learn Bo has ever say anything to anybody about this case the law enforcement was not previously aware of if it were to turn out that it was simply some type of sexual fetish that has nothing to do with the facts of this case so be it but I would want to know whether or not that's the case as a friend from Texas just want you all a real job on a podcast but my only thing is everytime we all say he can think of a tree because we have been on trees but he also a peak and the only issue but the way all did a good job appreciate that we can say peek in I honestly don't know how to say that word at all of her peak on the cayenne and cook on and can own the houses I think that I've said more than one way throughout this whole block s and everyone talked to says it differently due on the cover for peak and snow from the Sex and the reason why the about to have a question he noted is honest and he openly in the Rangers' body is there anything that I can or anyone around to the fire on the fact that the only place that they are gone within two hundred miles thank you so much I really enjoy the show and I appreciate all the what was happening the answer is no there was a hit man could ever know that's not right that potentially evidence was turned over to the GBI however they know the results if he has never been released in the towel hanger or anyone else of nothingness not right and then they both use around to that location hey guys I am going from Kennesaw Georgia just finished the last of the and just wanted to know the call that was played at the end of the ad is that something that could be used in court by the DA against Bo do or could they call the color and as a witness or is that all just considered hearsay U S is what I want to know a lot well the first question that a lawyer must ask themselves when deciding any information is admissible in court is whether or not is relevant to any particular issue in the case if it is relevant then the question becomes how can we authenticate that information and that would mean bringing in real people to tell what their personal knowledge is because they can't just come into court and repeat what a third party has said necessarily because in most instances that would be hearsay in other words isn't out of court statement made by some third party is not subject to cross examination and if a defendant is not able to cross examine the person who is making a statement because it's hearsay statement than that would violate the confrontation clause in the Constitution and that's why we have the hearsay rule the first place there are many exceptions to the hearsay but usually you got to bring in the person who actually makes a statement the first question has to be is irrelevant if it is relevant then is it admissible does it violate any of the rules of evidence the hearsay rule or other things is another issue that comes into play too because let's say this is the state of Georgia vs Bo do because remember he's got his own case and you can't bring in evidence of someone's general character to prove that they committed a crime that's another violation of the rules of evidence so if it's deemed to be bad character evidence than you can just bring someone and say This is the person who has bad character therefore they must be guilty so those are all things that have to be taken into consideration we're a long way from this information if it's true that was brought call and having it brought into a courtroom just a lot of things have to be fleshed out it would require thorough investigation statements need to be taken from everybody allegedly in that scenario and then the lawyers for both sides will have to decide whether it's something they could in a trial against either defend the last time you surprise them with flowers my wife loves flowers just last week I surprised her with the farmstead Flowers bouquet from Pro Flowers Pro Flowers is the best in the game the flowers are always fresh and vibrant bouquets are never boring predictability is boring surprises are exciting Pro Flowers makes it easy for you to surprise someone right now right now they make an even easier for you with a special offer right now im pro Flowers farmstead Flowers get twenty percent off on this bouquets or any other other unique exclusive bouquets of twenty nine dollars or more Pro Flowers the cum makes 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all likelihood there's probably no connection to terror instead because of all the layers to this mystery safe yet to rule anything out of uniform means anything at all I think that someone in the sheriff's department does not properly dispose of uniform hi I'm Kimberley founder of our North Carolina I'm wondering if everyone else is thinking what I'm thinking after hearing that law scholar on apathy twenty three a that of blindfolded and had his ex to a tree in the pecan orchard maybe I've seen too many crime shows on TV but doesn't that sound like trying to recreate something that makes me wary that pair of death may not have been as simple as waking up to a stranger and one swift blow to the temple also wonder if he had other one into trees and then to enter afraid to come forward because of intimidation has been riveted by this podcast and it's remarkable what you guys have achieved congratulations on a double than what they understand about someone who is narcissistic and you combine that with psychopathic personality traits you've got somebody who's the most important person in the world is that person themselves but he could be and just bragging about that so we don't really the boat actually did that or not to be some truth to it just me bragging and given the invitation or the lack of dominance behavior he s in trouble he had this much control over female that he's able to do this and I thank you very much for that question I guess this is Sarah Klein from Dallas North Carolina love the podcast I think you're doing a great job my question is about the statute of limitations so it's been explained that the statute of limitations begins as soon as they are where crime has been committed I'm wondering if citing any evidence of that crime sex that statute of limitations so for example if the police received a tip that a body and burned or concealed in some way we were church they go around in the search the pecan orchard and they don't find any evidence of that crime but at a later date to go back and we find evidence of that crime has the stench of occasions been running from the time they receive the original tent where does the fact that they tried investigation didn't find anything affect the statute of limitations so much can't wait to hear the answer well that's a very good question and one that I think most of us want to know the answer to and to properly answer the question we've got a fun a little bit more information about the care that apparently came out early in the investigation the search that we now know took place in an orchard in the months preceding Terrace disappearance and her murder so the statute of limitations vegans when any law enforcement officer has any knowledge that a crime was committed it doesn't even have to be enough knowledge to support probable cause for unrest but there's another piece to be considered as well the state through its agents which are the law enforcement officers usually they must also know the identity of the perpetrator so it's going to depend on what information was contained in that tip if the temp only was about Ryan then it would otherwise start the statute of limitations running but in the case of Rye and there is no statute of limitations for murder so there would be no issue if they had information about the crumb and if they had information about below due to being involved in that crime back in two thousand and five than that would be a more substantial legal hurdle for the district attorney to get over in order to prosecute do this for anything so there's two pieces to it they've got to have information about the crime not necessarily the whole story not necessarily enough to even make an arrest would have to have some knowledge and they also have to have some knowledge about who committed the crime so those are the two key questions and we don't right now I'll know enough about all the circumstances to know what the answer to that would be but if I'd bet my last dollar I would bet that something that's being investigated very thoroughly right this very moment the eye eye eye and he has made you question the attorney or is there as a defendant reached out to you about the ongoing ever been a gag order I have or is anybody from the duty I reached out to you first the evidence they've collected in the form of recording or video at the very much and looking forward to that sort of voodoo for Ryan Duke's attorneys know those guys have reached out to me I did have a few words with an assistant to John Mobley who is Ryan Dukes attorney in the courtroom when and they were having about the gag order on a few occasions the GBI has reached out to me we've talked several times over the past few months but not in a position to disclose too much information about the stuff from the Lake City I've been listening to podcasts all over again plus I can hang over the past week with my husband always been on the trip and there's one question I'm really hoping that you will digest in the final episode and that is the young man who committed to fighting must know when boa and rain on that list of names and people of the party of people that we now know have known about this whole time again thank you for this awesome live and work the answer is NO where they meet people and hearty Bon for whatever whether names only there was the least of couple or three that was that get together that was an angel on this lease so they should question the buying clothes can be super annoying just flat out difficult he felt the pressure from the sales clerk or maybe you bought the perfect outfit only to find out later that didn't fit his ten to eliminate that risk altogether using the tote The tote the fashion subscription box that says you brand name clothing and accessories write your doorstep for one low monthly fee the tote is the style and fit experts use data to fit you better than any other retailer you can read up to seven hundred dollars with 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good question he's referring to the Twitter conversation that we had in the K seven s episode a few weeks back where I had two voice actors sort of re enact what they were saying to each other the woman who was talking to Bo has given this information to the authorities my dad I've been moving from Kentucky and my question is about do you think that is all possible throughout the years that he is that he had encoded information to several people brought the year beating of pop or a disaster TJ grade I traded a birdie from about the botnet and maybe that the information he shared it all and Aria he did that to cover up his true maybe more prominent role in the murder of Carolyn he also was wondering is there any end in that we know at the Hyannis this I get them back in the paint without we knowing him and a healthy Ryan and I know about the evening was about the AM when trying to do this I thank you for all your hardwork first hole he details we don't know what he said so we just don't know how much involvement he claimed to these people read it and then your second question right now there is no evidence that leads to the confession or the world of forensic evidence we know all the lakefront in crime now that we don't know what the results of the DNA profile from the latex loveliest and this time because of the gang were referees to do trying to force a particular narrative over the years just in case a little bit too much credit for forward thinking is far to after about six or seven I mean if you go and asking God for this so he he wasn't really ever think about these and get out I mean Carol Ann and kind to me are very annoying and at this point in the past lover the charges the measure is again trying for the job and for most of the cherries play legally if that would be the focus point and also only and can be revealing and even have a destination and that he is evidence that the last of the second question first if Buzz lawyer believes there's some sufficient basis that would evaluation then bows lawyer can actually request that the court order a psychological evaluation the issue would be at the time of the alleged offense the accused was under some type of mental disability that would have affected his ability to know right from wrong at the time of the offense the other issue whether or not someone is psychologically or mentally able to stand trial those are very two different and distinct legal issues personally in my own opinion I don't see a basis for a court ordering a mental evaluation of voodoo as to either one of those issues at this point s The first question the short answer is yes that is absolutely legally possible but it would have to be based on the district attorney's evaluation of what he believed to be the credible evidence in the case if something has changed and is change so dramatically that the district attorney believes that they got it wrong the first time it is absolutely legally possible for them to dismiss an indictment and to ask a grand jury to consider an indictment in another fashion but again we're talking about theory not necessarily fact and it all depends on what the actual evidence is and you have to keep in mind we are not privy to what the district attorney knows or does not know or what is in the GBI case files hi this is Mary Margaret and I will ask the doctor God when making that only seemed like a plant if no drilling in whether he wore the glove before the latex clad in the town doesn't seem that unreasonable thing that we are trying that in mind after the murder if only to gauge how much evidence tied Ryan and I know to carry out the one we all could clarify your thinking behind early and plan my own mind I don't think that it's going to lie in the reading now anyway thanks so much during the mowing well yes about love then run to lead them there oh did you see us remember where I was supposed to ask we rely on what the answer that has given his hands and given his history is this suspect various essay in that segment the knowledge about just the existence of the above was from that day Monday and our daily news and I made a mistake on that in reference to the DNA evidence from the angle of or in a glove have any value to the case that was revealed forty eight hours for first time in two thousand and eight as so it was a concern by those he was an unknown when he asked that question before two thousand he won know that there was any kind of frenzy only to the club because corridor G Yeah I gotta light snack for instantly to Tara to include a full white male DNA profile on it so when he asked that question if he did when he would've known the answer we don't know it s accessing that we don't know what the conversation before the in between but I I may miss time from Swansea South Carolina
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Q&A with Payne Lindsey, Dr. Maurice Godwin, & Philip Holloway 07.20.17

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