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S1E7: Phineas Gage

S1E7: Phineas Gage

Update: 2016-11-2223
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We explore the man who committed suicide and the circumstances leading to his death. Plus the mysterious suicide note.



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alerting somebody was expecting her to look anytime and say What are you guys know that my hands that didn't happen I think about terror virtually every day and I certainly think about her when October comes around for now time stands still brings his friends family the town still held captive by the For many people are when county this weekend brings back painful memories fee for my October twenty second two thousand and five this community for over a decade tears missing poster still hangs from the police station it's now faded and hard to read Mozilla still holding on for an answer and the last episode Teresa called me with the newly tell me about a man who committed suicide in Knoxville Tennessee The man also wrote a letter he said he couldn't live with themselves any longer because he knew it happened to Tara Quinn said the letter also listed twelve people's names this have to be very sensitive because I have been dealing with the distraught family for two months and that their family just one person's family or at the rest of the horse are so still this route they refuse everything and they were mad really and again and that's reason I'm telling the brain is furry furry every sense of it man you want a loose wheel in that whole that whole Santa thing with absolute a stop to just trust me this is a very sensitive situation this was not a rumor or hearsay a real person committed suicide out of respect for the grieving family was asked not to say his name in this podcast is a very confusing an eerie story will do my best to explain the role but he was a winner Juan County and cousins run their online lot of people do that he would have been thirty one thirty two now seventeen years or even been twenty one or twenty to he was avid fisherman and I haven't heard to this came to me by anonymous somebody created the g mail account are about to have much more I don't know who sent it to me but it was a female and she was up from Selah she was in tears and she was in college when this happened she dated one of the gas whose name was on the list this is new information but this individual wrote a letter and said he can live with seven more and that he knew what happened to Tara those twelve people were Holly and by the GB ass and they are all swapped they were also up to see that doesn't necessarily mean things are used to search the internet there is nothing in me just wanna bitch or an essay but there's nothing in the internet about that for Bank UNICEF intensely as your butternut than in an intimate by any other than obituary there's nothing on the internet about his suicide so the question is did he do it well he did he do what is is that he was Brett and he was threatened and he saw something that he should have seen me was actually Brett and family say he didn't say who he was Brandon and see the two things either that he sow something or their World Group problem you can bet you could have seen people standing around one or two people Harmon somebody a new alias toast and peoples nine men in the latter swaddle me you won't get any at the suicide note didn't give any details about what happened here just said that he knew happened and then he listed twelve people's names the letter was given to the GBI they brought in all twelve people for questioning he also got a DNA swab from each individual Reese was saying that even though these people's DNA presumably didn't match the glove found in tears yard it didn't really mean anything he's saying if there was a group of people involved and they were all standing around watching their DNA wouldn't be on the glove anyways the main thing is none of the families have them out now the GBI have the letter so awesome it is a records request for that latter two GB I made the argument that no this was that the terror case I don't know them by not having the cost of the letter C law is if something is the active investigation when you don't get it in Georgia but the ideas I don't have a letter in the ivory from that they've got the original letter GBI has it and that's what they pulled the ball was up on just like George's records law Tennessee doesn't have to give us a letter either you have to deal with the family we are still hurting after five years that he was a all he went to Georgia for one year and the Andy and Mandy was art he was honor student at the community college there it was for disguising my sin there's about four five people I don't have the main zone half lap there are all those one or two all had terror as a teacher not tommorow pass they were all to Oro three graduates of Maryland game I don't have the letter I just know that the twelve individuals on the ladder they were all swapped the source to give him this information only told five the names in the list are still missing half of them but still good start Reese was able to contact one of the names on the list he told me about the conversation to one and one person that was on the least you know the question that I asked this individual was the S A Why do you think you were listed on here recently that I mean that the family that my wellies one the latest I asked the city does not say that they wanted the GBI say he said well they mention about the glove in the DNA in the glove Indian they ask any of us had had sex with Tara so I don't know the source of the DNA owned a glove to the body fluids rather than Salaam or sway at or scan say or something not meant to the body fluids or something down on the above so when they asked that question the tipster was his girlfriend were two years that it was given summaries by an ex girlfriend of one of them enlisted in the suicide note Marie's question this man about the letter he had no idea why his name was in there he had no clue the GBI supposedly asked him the other man in the letter if they had ever had sex with Tara and they were all swab for DNA this was very confusing because it seemed to imply that love is somehow linked back to tear a whole thing just gave me an uneasy feeling in the whole nature of this thing where NGOs is honestly pretty uncomfortable talk about is this the answer to solving the case for my shopping down another rabbit hole I knew that either way this was an area I need to tread very cautiously receiving the names he knew from the list and I try to reach out to them but they've all ignored me I decided to do some more research on the man committed suicide I hope that maybe searching to his friends in background would turn up something and it turns out that this guy's brother was friends with someone I knew someone that you know to I decided to pay a visit no sila person the the friend all the dusty vast sea a reporter from those still a newspaper he knew this guy's brother going to let this die and go into one of the local restaurants for lunch and all with me to like dusty lot but he had no clue is going to ask about the suicide hoping to get him off guard too much the evening in the pool lanes and the we set down the table that I wanted to ask about this person to my surprise he had a story of his own friend comes in one of our friend's brother was freaking out because the people to kill Terry Branstad trying to get the This was a lot to say probably two thousand and seven and he we do know what should I do and now site will the police need to walk out and talked to believes Allen Morgan the LT and told him you know just basically what I've been told it wasn't much to say he was very upset and there was something that was after and three years later seventies minutes was I didn't know much about it ah it wasn't until years later after each other like acid on her that he left and they apparently some people were involved in terrorist as Mark Hughes was a kid I knew in high school is much older brother he tell me more of something about the story something about it in it's been years but something about the city encountered somebody getting pressure with more than one person and that it's somehow or another they were connected to terrorists it's a really messed up stuff this guy and another guy encountered this budget killers Berkeley Bike Girl with them and they made him carve your initials into it and that their DNA to say that they couldn't attract other people out this is extremely graphic and terrifying uneasy feeling I was getting earlier came right back I asked him what the police did that day when he was freakin now what they think about this basically that was just a star like there was a teacher to talk to is of his brother and I to talk to me when school with them and they said they are at some point with some other god I think there's some speculation add some damage from the directive may have contributed to this because after the race started withdrawn from his trance and started saying all the stuff I don't really know the standing just that these claims started coming after he said sometimes he would say things in it would seem crazy and sometimes he would say things that seem to make sense this is what two things true or false we know for sure this guy killed himself and left a note about Tara was up to us to turn it is any truth to it as creepy and messed up is the story just was I find it comforting that there might be an explanation for all this maybe that story along with the context of the suicide note simply just aren't true apparently this guy been a bad car wreck a few years prior to a suicide it was after that when his friends started noticing his weird behavior became more reclusive began telling crazy stories about how he knew happened to Tara that the person or the people responsible route to get them whatever the car injury was severe enough for someone to start acting like this I am nothing close to a doctor but my best friend Matt is a doctor wanted him to weigh in on this theory was that the behavior of a deranged person or somebody with a traumatic brain injury number I was talking to you about the guy who killed himself in a footnote yeah I guess if you'll tell me that he got in a car wreck or something basically ever since the car wreck he wasn't acting right or is there any sort of injury that he could have sustained that would make him act like the lesson yeah but it would have to be like or how I really like a cute personality change half the damage or particular part of the brain famous example if you look it up is this guy Phineas Gage was his name is a railroad worker he set off a stick of dynamite blew up a piece of the railroad went flying up the roof is now atop his head Dan didn't kill him it didn't kill him but he forever after that was a different person oh well I mean how different how to act as angry as I just kind of deserted his family gotcha that's kind of how this guy was acting kind of deserted his friends and been leaving out the new body anymore was real reclusive it's interesting you would think it had to be like and acts like in the head injury chronic can cause injuries or a one time in the brain injury would make it more realistic that you just kind of go off the rails and say So do you think it would be more likely that he would get in a wreck and knock a screw loose in his head and start rambling off crazy stuff or start telling the truth I think anything of use in our attic that was particularly bad I think it probably makes you contemplate life a little bit more like specially like end of life stuff and so maybe that brings up feelings of guilt for my Leica site perspective but for now I think you can tell the truth he was going to do anyway I don't think really the current books and you lost the rails be right ok but it's possible out there that he could have damaged something in his brain to where he just became simply a crazy person I mean Oh yeah like I said it's happened before yes it's deftly with their own possibilities as an acting Emmy yet it could happen sometimes with a bad head injury especially inside the brain person can undergo complete personality change the first famous case of this was the man named Phineas Gage also known as the American Crow bar case in eighteen forty eight this band was working on a railroad stick of dynamite one off piece of the road the size of a crowbar went straight to his head miraculously he survived from that point forward was forever a different person he was angry and isolated he eventually started acting crazy because if you happen to the man who committed suicide in this case it's hard to determine for sure this moment but the explanation for his behavior seems plausible the GBI investigated this thing too I guess they felt there was nothing to it regardless even if the stories were true the man who committed suicide never implicated who tears killer actually was in my opinion it could've been anybody it doesn't change who are looking for the The The The The the the the second to thank everyone for supporting this podcast for to come back 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Anthony Vickers was charged with disorderly conduct for trying to be terrorists door down the claim that era was not answering her phone so he became upset she would not respond to the police were called and Sargent Fletcher was one of the officers who responded to call Sargent Fletcher noticed another vehicle was parked in Terrace driveway which may have been the real reason that Anthony became jealous after he saw the vehicle a terrace house the no one except Aaron with her was later learnt that the individual with hair that day the the detective with the Perry Georgia Police Department got the day after the Vickers inside Tara was to get a restraining order against figures that Dykes urging because he told her the boy was apparently and not dangerous or Sean Fletcher was steel sill a police officer who took the report the You would not give tear the restraining order until she told him who the person that day Tara didn't want to tell Sargent Fletcher because she knew he was friends with her ex boyfriend Marcus Harper and was afraid and the Fletcher assured wouldn't tell but had to have the person's name to file the report the Tara told him it was Dykes a police officer from Perry Georgia Marcus Harper was in Afghanistan at the time the report was filed a couple of months after the figures incident when Marcus came home he angrily confronted Tara and told her about the entire incident saying Fletcher had told the Herald filed a complaint against Sargent Fletcher at that time for telling Marcus about the incident her he would not tell and he was suspended from his job and almost got fired Heath Dykes the Perry Police officer was inside terrace house in the day of Anthony Vickers incident and Sean Fletcher was one of the arresting officers that day John Fletcher's the same guy Marcus Harper was riding around with in the cop car the night tears his appearance is a pretty strange thing a circle of different persons of interest in this case all involved in this little incident that happened six months prior to her disappearance her ass Sean Fletcher cannot tell Marcus Harper that he thanked for their house the question is Why did tear want to keep the secret John Fletcher broke protocol and told Marcus anyways he almost lost his job over the frontier went missing rumors ran wild about an affair she may have been having with Heath Dykes some people painted him as an innocent family friend the guy went to go check on her left his business card with some people claim that they were in a heated affair and others much more to the story like I've said before this all this we need all the facts matter how small insignificant or uncomfortable they might be so for this idea that terror and he thanks for having an affair has just been here say there was any truth to it he would definitely change things search crews and yet cleared out of the area right here aka Frank Satterfield road about twenty minutes ago and kept in he like said nothing showed up on their search today I just spoke with C M's father Christian POS about an hour ago he said nothing shows up on the search today there's really nothing left to do except keep hoping keep spreading the word about his sign this is a local news report from Perry Georgia he thanks the the police captain period quick internet search took me to this video this is for two weeks ago there's a creek area name runs through this property they weave our kisses taste a bit more time to get through it Dykes and every tip received has come up Cole Reese had the chance to interview he takes a person back in two thousand and six friend of his A former GBI agent help set up the easy I had the opportunity to interview him because our dear cousin Rich argued that a great setup the same year she said that he couldn't do it I can do it on the weekend because his wife weren't allowed to leave this was my keep announcing that he can meet with me on weekend because there was there was marriage of art in person interview never happened he was only able to do it over the phone I asked more about Heath Dykes being inside terrace house in the day of the Anthony Vickers incident after they answered that he went next door to Joe's ordered the next door neighbor and asked him to he park his car his vehicle next or so to let my body was at her house he was always there around the tri made numerous phone calls to the Urban County Sheriff's Department the Kepler were with me to finally see the dispatch logs from the night of tears this appearance Marcus Harper's alibi involve multiple run ins and stops with them and name P Merritt there were no reports of Mozilla and there were no reports of the cow neither does dispatch logs of the very last place he's been a mere incidents could be recorded and if they're not there the markets Harper's alibi simply isn't true before we dive into these dispatch logs want to share an email that I recently received from a local in Mosul she told me that on Monday when Tara did show for school someone for something strange and always stuck with either Amanda or family new name Joe Hilton told her mother at a rest for after school that day that ear was missing anything Marcus it but he knows it wasn't him because he was with him all night that definitely sounded odd to me to who was Joe Hill where does he fit into this alibi I asked her if she telling the story over the phone for the podcast she did our pain I remembered I see it over schooling I was a big deal so a small and the freshness of the cupcakes that are dying after school I agree on a read on to that ah we we and my brother and I that we have heard from ms Eunice and yet I feel like I'm crazy just the way where cars are the only repair guy and he said Here is missing the market but it can't be him because I was with him on that though it is and and Hanley sure I have the fax number for you and all year invasion of Gaza discuss logs Nicole Marie so we could review them together on the phone yeah I have to look at their number to dispatch from sixteen which is a letter to the seventy seven to the seven time received is sixteen minutes past men that they and their zero one forty six The Downtown located in a CR eight minute test or cog and S Africa one one one South Hamilton s were burning merrily of that this very Maris Place why the recent remarks on his own the ER saw myself as to please call for Vinnie Marin went to ADM I wanted to forty nine E Market so he left the White Horse saloon shortly after one a m The bar is located in Fitzgerald about a two minute drive to those still giving him the benefit of the doubt let's see left at one fifteen in the morning the latest to be back in facilitating of Sean Fletcher be around one thirty am upon second glance I noticed one glaring piece of information in the dispatch logs these records of corresponding numbers for each officer on duty that night so each officer the response to a call is listed next to the incident the first call from the mare was at two am Sean Fletcher wasn't there another officer was cancelling on the second call at two forty nine am lecture was there what this means is the first and only time we can place Marcus Harper anywhere that night is at two forty nine am so if you left the bar at one fifteen there was E for almost ninety minutes ish oso weird weird time to do a ride along in this most certainly I mean if he does then that he did something temporarily did he have a good alibi be and he had to take your business right around the next day or whatever if he did this he did something fast and temporarily hit it and then went back into it here on this lunacy to see he was with Joe he sounded that I or the er the er er
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