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S1E8: In The Box

S1E8: In The Box

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We look a little deeper into the suicide theory and continue to search for new names in the box.



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use the promo code at checkout if he doesn't like his first pair of boxers he can keep them nor find You Anyway this is going to Mac Wellman dock on use the promo code for twenty percent off everything now back to the show the connections between the frontal cortex in the Limerick system are gone the limit system is free to fire its messages of emotion uninhibited by the frontal cortex and behavior becomes erratic and unpredictable Gage died twelve years later still unbalanced at the War in Harvard the tapping gauges Co are preserved monument to research into how physical changes in the brain that affect behavior story it up again did some digging around else more details but the car Ricky what I can find the wreck didn't appear to be very dramatic didn't have any broken bones or any other severe injury so what would cause the stories about Tara called a clinical psychologist to weigh in on this event having and I'm a clinical psychologist I teach psychology Georgia State University what types of diseases or injuries can cause like a complete and sudden personality change their whole range of possibilities there are a lot of neurological disorders particularly to back finals of the brain the change people's personality in that they affect their judgment ability to control and regulate their emotions in the range of psychiatric disorders they can be associated with at least changes in behavior and emotion that can be quite profoundly changes for the pre broad range of possibilities to someone who is severely depressed may start to look paranoid someone who was previously the social could become very withdrawn there are some brain tumors that lead people to have to listen to Tori experiences on some people with head injury can be schizophrenia is a possibility in this particular case I'm doing with it was a healthy white male in his early twenties the guy in some sort of car accident on a dirt road he hit his head he didn't break any bones but surely after the wreck his behavior began to change he became a lot more clues and he started telling his family and friends bizarre stories about how he knew what happened to this missing person and he knew the people responsible were after him two years later he actually committed suicide yeah you know that that would be one of a very very tricky and difficult diagnostic questions simply not having had to go immediately to the hospital for head injury doesn't rule out the possibility that there was subtle recently emerging damage you can also have brain injuries that involve Syria where the brain essentially bounces back and forth off of school and the symptoms that might take a little bit of time to show up they may be starting to show changes in body me here are very subtle and only seem to make sense as problematic when you're looking at what I gather from the actual accident the damage to his head wasn't severe enough for him to be hospitalized even though there was no severe damage from the surface is there's still something that could have happened there that could cause this in some cases there can be a lot and very little damage and so it may not be something that sends out cleanly and clearly on any kind of imaging that's functional changes in the timing of the changes can make it that there are neurological problems the core wreck he had was on major roads and it was that night one of the stories that he told his friends and family involved this dinner road at night dance I was curious if you know you think or be in the link there with how that manifests that I can go either way from hallucination him there on a clear obvious connection very life for them either into a very difficult to tell a story that makes sense it's very difficult to know in real life events again was an inch a delusional experience making that kind of decision after the fact is one of the harder things to do and probably a dangerous game in a really nice to feel in a sense of them and tell a story that here and in some cases he can do that and in some cases it just can't and for science with symptoms like there are a lot of cases where ever really come up with a satisfactory diagnosis all of the things you're describing will it lead me through a lot more questions if possible that this is someone who was at risk are ready for schizophrenia or some other psychotic condition in the day with just a coincidence that the car accident happened or that should administer the tree of schizophrenia would probably be high on the lives that it's also really rare disorder it is in that age group are more common age of onset seems to be later for women for men men that late teens early twenties is most typical when it will get later is one of those things where it's a sudden onset or the gradual this is a disorder that starts very very early and not in your late teens early twenties that it starts to become very evident it's commonly considered what we call a neuro developmental disorder but that doesn't mean that some people don't so kind of abrupt shifts in behavior and it's not unusual to see people emerging you and who are incredibly disoriented because they never had an experience like that when the really terrifying to experience hallucinations or delusions why people often described as a pattern flattening of emotion isolation if you look very much like depression and that's what those around them alarming concern when the lesions become paranoid therein is the sense that people are out to get people may believe in things that are overtly I already can be things that are plausible we never really know the full story particularly with someone who has completed a suicide I think it's valuable to think that only about the story that you do know that to be mindful that there's probably a lot of story that you don't know too that would be very helpful in eliminating what ultimately really what's going on for this guy all of the things we talked about this morning would be plausible possibilities that baby to be possibility when I hold very very lightly and be prepared to let go of second I had any evidence to suggest that kept her the So technically the two different ways to please behave without a brain scanner several one on there was no way to know for sure having been there almost impossible to make any sort of sets garbage out his family hoping that maybe they'd have some more his brother agreed to talk to me this is a lot diligently there's a lot of the summer Mark made little sense to boast of the pieces whether he had to re enter it here in the labour and Alton took over and you bring this era when children are not a month after that small store you detailed to the very soul and spirit and that is assigned to us and we wish all the slaughter of four but every store it all of these tall order of the Law Stories from our parents took him to the site first and most of all charges of war only just suffering from major depression for more medication that did not feel at all so different times and he told you stories of terror or him some of the afternoon most of the story one about her the doll with Chargers minds of the mission was supposed to happen and all the rest of the times it was people the top of them went to hers discourage more horrible really other than that I've never actually talk about her how she went missing Marines and what was going to that of was the reason you say in or sometimes a well known in whatever was you believe it or were enough that he went to Jia he went to over the top of the human soul mostly I think we all feel blinded for a long fly one of d know anymore about the note he left apparently the store has an evidence and they have wished for on the general's family are they given some buttons for losses wall it was love at the huge smiles they just been quiet there so that I have come from their homes to let go of the positions of the rescue of a rodent or somewhere before this accident how was he before that completely different person our view was that really outgoing Hu social more often than not uses him away from the house was about the house after the accident that change was that thoughts rule is if you didn't know where to go somewhere he always does on the irony was just terrible to have any sort of ties to terror isn't what you think that manifests is he was a forty one I was apparently more shovels other and yet a pistol was a man who gave the whole visit was one of their blinders would do him that he's all that was our usual gender studies the the what's your take from it all the setbacks the basis of all the other bidder to see or didn't like Sears of what you really don't like the fact that she's also a home was quite like you tell me that somebody should send a message if you would report in the fall he will assume some of the walls seem to think that everything he said was untrue his behavior to seem to match something psychologist told me either way unless one of the people listed in the suicide note besides the talk was really much left to look into backing up oso wan mention Amanda Roberts was the son of tears landlord and Tara stop myself for a few minutes before going to the BBQ that night my grandma's from Nell the film in that area stop in a former student's house and Fitzgerald before going to the BBQ she couldn't remember his name but said if she ever did she let me know what normal is confusing the student Roberts after eleven years academically sound similar hadn't talked to in awhile so if you're a giver call and ask are you know I remember telling you you know that as a student you with the students I often didn't remember his name and add it up and you did you not heard before that was yeah that was what we heard from the beginning you know that he with the air and Dan went to the principal's house guests from what I've heard that era left the pageant around seven thirty and then she went to her landlord's house in his name was Rick Roberts this person be vested in you were talking about was the student somebody else I remember it was a robber and accurate and I for sure that it was Rhea I know Robert I am not really part is that I remember now that it was a lover like us I am not sure which more and it was so I guess it was Rhett Roberts list is to have the same last name too I serve as a bailiff for of course we have during because lao were when I was working was our view court clerk and thus I handle the cases and so forth that when a trial and no they one day and two or three of the people who work for the sheriff's office say or any at the low never hear anything of that era when stated UK bases where we don't hear a lot said anytime we get anything own it free kick is that they really don't know a new thing comes to this year with reference to her kidney so they're still at work in like a what's the most popular theory going around town people have to be saying something out of harm's way at all I do agree it was somebody he knew he left Leah and I don't really think he was forced because of the situation I think it was so mighty that he knew I know I hear the and you know there were several knee and suggested you know Nancy it seems more and send the main things that I hated it came at this other than her disappearance was most of us is all we knew her as a teacher when you thought he was one of these quiet little to do this costume at home and stayed home till the morning with the CNA you know I lie the the norm Roberts novels thinking the whole student scenario for most all the way ruled out Robertson faced the SPP interview for the podcast but no response to a few weeks later asked him again the the set this I am innocent I know I didn't do it God knows I didn't do it I've decided to move forward my life the then blocked the only aspect interview never said anything about being guilty of something the boy wants a second to think her latest thoughts are serious readers Christmas 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that's Harry's calm promo code up now back to the show the the the the in the last episode recently about a man named Joe Hill Friends of Marcus Harper because we all know the exact time tear disappeared on Saturday night in terms of having an alibi it would have to cover Saturday and Sunday Marcus Harper spent Sunday with Joe Hill Nicole Marie to ask him about it he was our natural resource officer while I like a game warden that's right I just know that he'll be got a call for dearest bought lot and Sunday evening and the age of Marcus Wright on Sunday that volatile area of urban county in the war that they are all going home Saturday night Sunday and Sunday night with a water person probably think they need to cover themselves for and I'm not saying that that's what he was going to say and Two notch Road Saturday night he was with somebody's son did not he was with somebody so that you just have to find out any of u juz find out who contacted to try that no response yet as it turns out Joe is it with natural resource department anymore special Agent now with the GBI in a previous episode recorded an article from the National Enquirer it mentioned a police officer from Perry party chair with phone calls in the day of her disappearance it also said the officer was Mary was having an affair with Tara didn't mention him by name but he likes is also a police officer from Perry who is married and made numerous phone calls so it seemed clear that they may have been referring to forgo any further than just get this straight The National Enquirer is the tabloid infamous for writing let's just say sensational stories so knowing that I was going to jump to any big conclusions Office Oracle but a few years ago producer working with Marie's reached out to the writer of this article NASA whose source was elected a guy who went to a couple days in the alley of my game Moore's lawyer because he was Harper's lawyer he would have inside information to the GBI information in sci fi Harper's lawyer he told this journalist dies if plan A was friendly was last there it changes mine this is interesting there was a completely sold for was worth a call the writer myself yes he uses voice told me the same thing Reese said all the information was from Marcus Harper's lawyer Reese also tell me something else interesting seat Arafat like they were too many people who had keyed on her kitchen table still in the plastic was a new set of door knob hardware to be put on it or she fell out to many people take either that or I can see new to photograph in the picture in tears kitchen table looks to be a new lock maybe she was changing the neighbor next door had a key Roberts anybody else see NJ were ever think after this case down from her sister C or we can say where she taught me not to get when I was there see Larry when the huge RV there is tears sister's husband Marie Steen is already windowsill right out of the work is a bluegrass Park new Barbie so he broke his arm down so I was able to stay in the RV my wife when one time with me and wow was a stay in their RV referee in charge that won the one that thing was asserting that they were there for a clock being all black lab workers started barking like crazy these are like no time the outdoor theater where they have homes between the lines we mourn well this drug was sent and I was up so the last of the high ERA and one when I can say of a Maori her with the Reverend Reverend Wright and his last run through the winter I don't have and there's no doubt about it the truck at the RV park was trying to be threatened to end the next day I'm sure my race sail steam or so back home to North Carolina nephew got settled in something else strange happened I got a phone call about one thirty in the morning oh my I'm not much help it was unknown what number cold as hell so there was a man's voice another lie didn't recognize faces if you know what therefore you stay the hell out of GB Apple but all will they subpoena my phone bill and it was an ensemble you can try joining me now is Sarah stepmom con Gran said Gary Ross well formally with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation this is a news clip or two thousand twelve is there anything new ad that you can kind of get a rest or your hat on to say she may be the single be solved not really because we don't know and then we did in the beginning the only thing that we fail a hundred percent about is that there was foul play and five other than that we really don't know what happened to terror or even who is responsible do you have any feeling any inkling of who might have done this did she ever share with you were concerned that some guy was going to do were in no I don't have any idea who is responsible I've heard all of a persons of interest all of the names and all of the possibilities but honestly don't know what happened to her or you work this case from the beginning and you say that it's one of the cases that continues to haunt you it's a convoluted case that just Manning frustrating every time we'd open one door there be several hallways to go down and more doors of the that and it's up almost feel like a disservice that we haven't resolved this case for for the family and for care but the truth is scary that there were several guys who might have involved you know there's a boyfriend a police officer was looking for the day before she went missing is soon arrested at her house she was a teacher a landlord something you had quite a wealth of possible suspects absolutely the evidence indicates that the person responsible for tears disappearances is very likely someone that knew her so we had to look at people that were close to her and that there were a lot of what we have not been able to link any of those people to disappear it's in the box there that hangs in the box at state the names in the box but we don't know which one it is the the names in the box think so but whose names really in the likes of all murder that the GBI fall over two hundred people with the rest of the search for anybody else out there anyone that could fall under the radar sample of archives news clips blog post was in out there the but they went back to where this whole thing started that website lets loose and that's where I found what I was looking for on the form for terror instead on my eleventh two thousand eight someone posted Jim Hickey software salesman from Atlanta who took care to dinner in early October two thousand five D Visit tear the Friday before she disappeared who is Jim Hickey the ah the the message the tomb of the interior all he said yes we arranged a phone call the next time one of the Ganesh Ji attacks presently the the the um pulling on
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