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Screen Time - Part II

Update: 2017-02-035


When we go online, we present a digital version of ourselves. How do we transform when we interact inside our screens? In this episode, TED speakers explore the expanding role of our 'second selves.' (Original broadcast date: September 18, 2015).

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talks those ideas adapted for radio from NPR and so one night and this is back in May of two thousand and fifteen you a big news story here in the US are breaking news right now an Amtrak train has crashed in Philadelphia it is on its side and several people appeared to be injury look at the scene right now we don't know much train eight was travel to this train crash in Philadelphia tonight eight people were killed and two hundred people are injured and was it was just terrific know that rain managed to jump like a lot of people that night rider Jon Ronson was following the story and just as it was really blowing up on TV and of course on the internet the woman emerge from the wreckage and tweeted Thanks alot for derailing my train can I please get my violin back from the second the chain so Twitter and Facebook responded and I read somewhere that awaits yes some spoiled the whole is whining about her violin being on that train that derailed people died on that train and unfortunately too many people only think of themselves and not their fellow man and she's an idiot I hope the violent crash and the little vial and I would slap the taste out of her mouth she was in reach to the and she she deleted the Twitter account and seventy to two but he's a coward and delete an account how I have ever be returned and I hope to get you fired back from under the bleeding people the woman's was published all over the Internet she was threatened and harassed and had to go into hiding and the story is becoming a familiar one the guy who killed lions in Africa or the woman from Washington state who was posing as black but was actually white whatever happened in the real world to those people what happened online quickly overtook their lives and became the bigger story the more relevant one they would dance Depot the injured people people launched in the contracts over people's heads and this woman emerges dazed from one hundred and two men in our train crash and that's what she tweeted Can I please get my fat and carbs and train hits rule over again the John Ross and wrote a book about stories like this it's called So You've Been publicly shamed and it's about what happens when the life we live inside the screen overtakes the life we live outside of the day on the show part two of screen time ideas about how all the time we spend with their devices with our screens is actually changing who we are on this episode we're going to take a step inside the screen to look at just how much of our lives are already being live there the onsen wrote about another woman who lost her job and her friends and like the woman on that train had to go into hiding because of something happen on line and when she described that experience to John she put it this way he said if I don't think that if I was in a car crash and I lost my memory and I googled myself this would be my yet in the OT is PPC the Internet's is not the real world I think anybody believes that anymore the Internet is the real lows because something that happens to you on the Internet can impact your life in the real world the the the the woman who said that was Justine Sacco John Robinson's Ted talk is really the story of Justine what happened to her in twenty thirteen she was just another PR rep living in New York she had just a handful of Twitter followers hundred and seventy to be exact so it was Christmas or twenty thirteen and she was traveling from New York to Cape Town my family left thigh and ten and when she was at Heathrow for the final Black Sea to eat it going to Africa the ten K It's just kidding I'm white and she tweeted that nobody responded we have responded to a joke socialists if you follow S says he shrugged and got on the plane and fell asleep John picks up the story from the Ted stage just in fact home woke up eleven hours later to know the phone with the plane was taxing on the runway and straight away there was a message from somebody that had spoken to since high school it's that I am so sorry to see what's happening to you and then another message my best friends need to call me right now you of the worldwide number one trending topic on Twitter what happened is that what if one hundred and seventy five dollars hit sat the twenty two according to an arrest and he re tweeted it to his fifteen thousand followers and then it was like a bolt of lightning a few weeks later I talked to cook it in this tight now Tim and Austin how it felt delicious and that he said so she's fine but she wasn't fine because well she slept with her took control of her life and dismantled it the piece by piece I remember being in bed that night cuz at first tweet from just east of the spread yes and and am ashamed to admit it but I enjoyed it at the time right um I enjoyed it fully my first though its was great someone screwed up the pillow behind my head and then I felt I'm not sure that that too it was intended to be racist going to Africa the ten K It's just kidding I'm light you know there's a kind there is a comedy tradition of people mocking racism by doing an extreme version of it and fly south so good so I I became doubtful that actually had to eat was intended to be racist war not just a couple of weeks later she just crushed us to to explain the joke she said that in America puts it a bit of a bubble when it comes to what's going on in the food well I was making fun of all Casey Hayward some of the tweets that night in light if Justine Sacco is disgusting racist tweet I'm debating to catch it a chatty cat and ten they called to be Fiat how to just two seconds a payout top level of racist ignorance belongs on Fox News AIDS can affect anyone corporations involved hoping to fill that truck takes on the back of the state for dilation the airplane WiFi provider cocoa the tweet it next time you plan to tweet something stupid before you take off make sure you are guessing on a cocoa Flight C C Justin second goal just a nice name was Norman economical four times a month the month between defended the twenty fifth in the end of December and I was too cold one billiontwo hundred and twenty thousand times somebody wrote somebody HIV positive should read this The men will find us a fair skin color for Texas debates and the person got a free OS nobody went after that to say most excited about destroyed just stayed the same brains are so simple minded can also come to destroy somebody who was appropriately destroying just a day and then Justin's employers got involved this is an outrageous offensive comment employee in question currently unreachable on an international flight and that's when the anger turned to excitement for Christmas is to see Justine Sacco his face when her plane lands and she checks her inbox voicemail me think of anything less judicial and this just able to sleep on the play then unable to explain herself and the ability was a huge hot latte hostile become trendy world want somebody would tell us exactly which played she was on trail into a flight check the website has stacked his chips team landed yet it is kind of wild to see someone self destruct without them even being of its stock has just learned it yet maybe the the do it I think some people would judge the perfect thing to other people is because Twitter is basically a mutual approval machinery we surround a house of people feel the same way we do we approve each other that's really good feeling of somebody gets in the way we screen them out and you know about the office itself it's the opposite of democracy as making a peep and wrote in The Boston Review This isn't social justice the toxic alternatives the thing about this story is two she became to most people yes exactly the way be a defined on social media on the internet on Google has become more important than who we actually I was people because everybody date is going to go you every time you apply for a job people are going to Google you said these false definitions these scum City of Ely these tiny the most extreme thing you do it as opposed to the twenty five billion ordinary things that you don't have now become more important ways of defining Ethan he'll actually a witch in some ways he is almost limiting local will be able to say or how to live yet everybody becomes most conservative and conformist get it this is another irony of session eighties on social media we see ourselves as non conformist and yet all of this and surveillance saying about the pee po is inevitably creating a more conservative and conformist society because whatever way we define the boundaries of normality by tearing up the people outside the the trustees fired of course because social media to man to God because he was perceived to have misused to privilege the privilege of becoming a free pass to tear apart the best anybody we choose to making us lose the capacity for empathy and for distinguishing between serious and serious transgressions made it to touch the people in the world those people who favor humans ideology and as people of faith ideology of a human's right now the ideologues to winning and that creating a state of constant artificial high drama is not the magnificent hero but a sickening villain even though we know that's not true about our fellow humans what is true that we are clever and stupid what's true is that with gray areas the great thing about social media gave a voice to voiceless people are now creating a surveillance society but the smartest way to survive is to go back to being voiceless as not to that kid you can see Johnson's fault I had to come early just in Sacco recently started a new job keeps a pretty low profile and she is definitely not on Twitter and more coming up as we continue our look at screen time a place where people on the Internet become better not worse than they are in real life that place actually exists and Guy rise and listening to Ted Radio Hour from NPR the The Haven Just a quick thanks to two of 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Radio Hour please check out my other show is called How I built this it's about the people behind some of the most amazing and iconic companies and brands in the world and our new episode coming out on the sixth of February is all about Kate spade and how this young woman from Kansas came to New York got some burlap material and literally sew together a few handbags it would become one of the most iconic fashion brands in the world it's a totally improbable story and whether you care about purses or not I promise you it will blow your mind so check out how I built this on I tunes on the NPR one app or at NPR dot org slash podcasts the it's the Ted Radio Hour from NPR guy rise should a part two of eight to partner with calling screen time in this episode were stepping inside the screen looking at this idea that more of our lives are being lived there so which is her Johnson's talk about the Internet where a lot of the time we are our worst selves but there are places in the digital world where believe it or not the opposite is true be people who often meet and I would smile because I would know that you know two people who would like each other in the real world the love each other as appetizers is Philip Rosedale this place is describing was his invention it's called Second Life and it was an on line virtual world that debuted back in two thousand and three a place that is just like the real world and you can pretty much do anything there that you can imagine second Life was the first virtual world to go mainstream would pave the way for games like mine craft and it was designed without any specific rules for quests or goals instead the whole point was to encourage people to explore and socialize and build stuff and collaborate and all you had to do was download some software make a habit are and you were in and suddenly you're standing you know in a t shirt and a pair jeans or something as this digital person and there's some rolling and some trees and some buildings often the distance you could wander around maybe walk up to a group of people say when u guys doin this and you know we're trying to build a house and if you want to help them you could if on the other to start a business and sell stuff to other users for real money you could if you want to spend all your time going on dates with other abt our sch you could if you want to color your skin green and fly across the city you could the point is most people in Second Life created a life there was nothing like the real one and at its peak about seven or eight years ago more than a million people spent a part of their day living there so why create this fake world that's the question Philip Rosedale last when he gave the stock why build a virtual world at all for me I know that when internet came around was doing computer programming and generally trying to run my own little company figure out what to do with the internet and with computers I was just immediately struck by how the ultimate thing that you would really with the Internet and with computers would be use the internet connected computers to simulate the world has to to sort of recreate the laws of physics how to make things and do that inside a computer so that we could all get in there and make stuff I I was so fascinated as to what that place would look like and what we'd be able to do there and in a way that place already existed in the burning Man festival the burning Man where every year summer thousands of people gather at Desert in Nevada to create the kind of self governing utopia where they build these huge contemporary pieces of art Philip first went there in nineteen ninety nine and since I got there I realized Oh my gosh people were better to each other and they were more inclusive and they were more intimate in their willingness to communicate with each other we are in our day to day lives Philip's all this any thought my gosh if I can build a virtual world it'll probably look something like this because people have some of the same motivations as he did build that world right and that was Second Life what was there and you you had people like walking around in a virtual world with a Do you know when we started we thought we knew what people want so we built a kind of a Coney Island boardwalk and had a bunch of games that demonstrate how you could use our programming stuff to build things with it and we had a sort of a nightclub place and we had a forest and we had a peach and we built these things and one things it was so inspiring but funny and humbling was that even after a few months the first two hundred people who got in their head kind of revamp the whole thing and I always thought that was just so delightful that we had already been outdone by the very first arrivals the another important lesson Philip learned from the whole project was how people interacted with each other the were you surprised that there were actual human emotions playing out in Second Life yes like love right there've been stories of people who got married after they met there there's an immediacy of virtual worlds you know you are standing there right in front of me feeling that my presence was an avid tar but I mean it's a person standing for any that's what creates the right kind of tension that gets people engaging in talking to in coming to know each other and but as you said it was in Second Life how well people came to know each other and as you say in some cases they are people who become lovers I mean you came to this realization that humans can find real fulfillment in a virtual space oh absolutely indeed my suspicion is that our access are very access to virtual world will become a kind of a civil right in other words I predict that in years to come maybe even ten years from now we'll regard to taking away your access to virtual worlds as completely inappropriate you know will will regard access to virtual world as essential to our intellectual capacity in the same way that we regard the rich experiences of say childhood education that we have today is as important we moved to cities so that we can engage with a broader set of diverse people and learn things that we would know we will move to virtual worlds for the very same reason they will be the biggest cities the the about going into space it's a fascinating thing so so many kids we all sort of dream about exploring space now why is that why do we as people will want to do that one is that if you went into space you'd be able to begin again and then the second thing is that you have no idea what you're going to find once you get there in the space so that's kind of the idea we as humans crave the idea of creating a new identity and going into a place where anything is possible and I think that if you really sit and think about it virtual worlds represent essentially the likely really technically possible version of space exploration we are moved by the idea of virtual worlds because like space they allow us to reinvent ourselves and they contain me anything and everything and probably anything could happen there the the the enemy is this really excited about this pardon is a freak like I don't know I just I just think that we are or the social creatures she never like were flesh and blood with nuance and conflict good and bad and we need to touch and smell and feel and understand people and I just think that the world over more basically just a series of ones and zeros doesn't fulfill that I can't wrap my head around that well when we speak to each other face to face we are also a series of ones and zeros we are you making sounds that travel into our ears and we are ultimately interpreting each other by this sort of millions of nerve cells that you know reach out into our ears in the back of our eyes and the tips of our fingers there isn't really any difference between that and the data that flows between us on the Internet when you are using all these new devices as I've described so the question is really whether online worlds present and adequately rich and complex and sometimes challenging set of experiences for us in this is what we saw in Second Life actually present types of opportunities and cultural exchanges and diversity that and at no point on the planet surface can we find on one place get me an opportunity I think this is a key word right the market eyes expenses that will build a space all be able to go to the Marianas trench exactly and how amazing to imagine that the real space we were looking for might be the one that we create ourselves inside this machine to the bats Philip Rosedale he's now working on a new kind of virtual reality world it's called High fidelity check out his cock from two thousand eight had come so when you think about your life inside the screen your digital doppelganger most of its by your tweets or the photos and status updates you post the things that go into the persona you create and have some control over but what about all the things you don't control the because almost everything you do online is a data point helping to build a virtual profile of who you might be the very extensive profile that is not just how smart are you but what are your personality traits this is Jen go back she's a computer scientist at the University of Maryland and Chen Xi actually creates the algorithms that can start to figure out who and before I go I'm just a disclaimer that Jen does this for research purposes only but other people ten companies they're doing it for entirely different reasons his chance to talk to scientists we use that to help the way people interact online but there's less altruistic applications and there's a problem and that users don't really understand these techniques and how they work and even if they did they don't have a lot of control over it so this is target the company target send a flyer to his fifteen year old girl with advertisements and coupons for baby bottles and diapers and cribs two weeks before she told her parents that she was pregnant yet or dad was really upset how did target figure out the biz high school girl was pregnant before she told her parents it turns out that they have the purchase history for hundreds of thousands of customers and they compute what they call a pregnancy score which is not just whether or not a woman's pregnant but what her due date is and they compute that not by looking at like the obvious things like she's buying a crib or baby clothes but things like She bought more vitamins than she normally had worse she bought handbag it's big enough to hold diapers by themselves those purchases don't seem like they might reveal a lot but it's a pattern of behavior that when you take it in the context of thousands of other people starts to actually reveal some insights the and then when it starts to all out of the computer spits out an answer yet and that's the interesting thing about this it's the statistical correlations that come out when you analyze the data of a huge number of people because people buy all those things all the time but buying them together turns out to be a pretty rare occurrence except among women who wear in early stages of their pregnancy now predicting a pregnancy may not sound that complicated right but what is actually happening and what people like Jen have designed our algorithms that are starting to predict human behavior simply based on the things we like or by or who are online friends are the things like how well you'll interact with others if we put you in a team or are you really anxious purse and is prone to get angry extroverted or introverted in that matters for say a job application are you a list maker or procrastinate or an eroticism sexual orientation are you narcissistic whether you drink smoke use drugs potential health conditions are you a good romantic partner are you going to stay married if you get married and it's not right all the time but it turns out that yet not only can we figure out things about you we can figure out things that will eventually be true about you that you don't know the I know this is happening but everytime I hear it trust me it's just amazing scary that that you can do this when we tried to do this whatever personality trait we've picked we've been very successful at uncovering that about people from the little digital traces they leave around and figure out what are you doing that's like other people that we know about this is easier to understand if you realize that you're not explicitly telling companies that say Your introvert what you reveal about yourself when you go online is that you do things and like things and buy things that they've already figured out introverts do and like and buy sell my favorite example is from the study that was published this year in the proceedings of the National academies and they look good just people's Facebook likes and in their paper they listed the five likes that were most indicative of high intelligence among those was liking a page for curly fries curly fries are delicious by liking them does not necessarily mean that you're smarter than the average person so how is it that one of the strongest indicators of your intelligence is liking this page when the content is totally irrelevant to the attribute that's being predicted and it turns out that we have to look a whole bunch of un
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