Of Horses and Men

It's trailers and theories on this episode of OF Horses and Men With Lesley and Ben. It's an emergency recording session because the SEASON FIVE trailer of BOJACK HORSEMAN just went live yesterday. Ben and Lesley scrambled to set up their mics and get Lesley's frame by frame observational analysis and Ben's philosophical musings live to tape for you. Here what we think about the blurred lines between reality and fiction, Princess Caroline's past, Diane's new haircut and whether or not Mr. Peanutbutter and Bojack Horseman are finally going to kill each other.

We Watched; We Wept; We Recorded. Lesley and Ben have returned from a weekend long binge of the fifth season of Bojack Horseman and we have THOUGHTS. Because we’re covering a whole season at once, we had to keep things in broad strokes. Don’t worry, Lesley and Ben will get to a full analysis of Bojack Horseman Season 5 in a year. Find out what Lesley got right! How thin was the wall between fiction and reality? Who was the stand out character this season? Is this the end? All this and more this week on Of Horses and Men with Lesley and Ben! Let us know what you thought of the fifth season. Either by commenting on here or by telling @benchamlin and @vanetti on twitter!

It's the pains of personal growth and the potential of a very depressed golden retriever on this final season of Bojack Horseman! Ben and Lesley discuss the new trailer for the upcoming two part season of Bojack Horseman! We talk about all the subtle hints about what’s to come woven into this trailer - from Mr. Peanutbutter’s new film to what’s happening with Todd’s family. Is Bojack actually recovering or is he just floating away on a Pink Cloud? What’s the deal with Diane, ringworms and GirlCroosh? Hear the Of Horses and Men team talk about the trailer with each other for the first time since it came out!

It’s new chapters and heartfelt endings on this episode of Of Horses and Men with Lesley and Ben. Folks, I was the Ben of that. And I was the Lesley. This was a podcast about Netflix original comedy series Bojack Horseman. Lesley and Ben are saying goodbye to Of Horses and Men, but not to each other.or to podcasting! We’re just switching up the topic a little bit. We have a new, broader show on the horizon: Syndicated with Lesley and Ben - an exploration on television and genre that’ll be launching later this summer. There’s plenty of details on the show in this episode! Regarding Of Horses and Men with Lesley and Ben, we greatly thank everyone who ever listened, wrote reviews and spread the word about our show about animation, depression and horses. Special thanks to Bethany Leuthold who made our logo and our theme song by Mandra Sigma. Special shout out to Glory Duda who edited this last episode of Of Horses and Men.

What if there was a media podcast, but just about one TV show about a depressed horse? In this brand new media analysis podcast, Lesley Yates and Ben Hamlin break apart each episode of the Netflix original comedy Bojack Horseman and look for meaning among the musings of a depressed horse. We're starting with the pilot, obviously, and that means Bojack and Diane's first meeting, Princess Caroline's breakup with Bojack and not enough of Paul F Tompkins as Mr. Peanutbutter.

Lesley and Ben continue their journey through the first season of the Netflix Original Comedy Bojack Horseman. This time, Bojack Horseman gets in a fight with a Navy Seal and we talk about how a second episode of television does a lot more heavy lifting than the first.

Lesley and Ben tackle one of the more awkward episodes of Bojack Horseman. We talk about character redemption, cultural nihilism and feminist character design in this complex episode. Bojack Horseman is reunited with Sarah Lynn, the youngest cast member on his former sitcom. Sarah has grown up twice and become a pop star and now a washed up has been. Sarah has a violent break down in a furniture store, stabbing herself when her boyfriend, Andrew Garfield (yes the Spider-Man) breaks up with her. Bojack attempts to check her into rehab but that doesn’t last. Sarah Lynn guilts her way into Bojack’s heart and house by playing up their past relationship. After a seemingly endless party at Bojack’s, the sitcom star finally breaks and tries to suggest she go to rehab again. Sarah Lynn storms out of the house saying that none of this is truly her fault and she can live responsibility free. Meanwhile, Princess Caroline is trying to be one of the cool kids long enough to get herself a brand new client.

This is a turning point episode of Bojack Horseman and that means we've got an intellectual episode of Of Horses and Men. We talk about ways to introduce the audience to character depth with the way Todd is handled in this episode and Bojack's transition from being an oblivious uncaring person to a willfully destructive jerk toward his friends. And Ben is a total Zelda about Buzzfeed and the way internet media commodifies nostalgia and how it forces us into boxes. "I don't like being told what my culture is and I also don't like the parts of my culture that I actually participated in being fed back to me insincerely." It's a thinking man's episode of Of Horses and Men but we always have plenty of time to talk about our favorite gags.

While on a business trip to New York City to talk with the publishers of their book, Diane has to swing by Boston to deal with the death and subsequent funeral of her father. It turns out that Diane’s family is made up of absolutely horrible people who don’t appreciate her in the slightest. Meanwhile, Todd has been left home alone for the week. While Bojack finds himself unable to deal with a friends grief, Todd and Princess Carolina make an illegal fortune off of Bojack’s vacant home by pretending it belongs to actor David Boreanaz

We're finally at the episode that Lesley ahs been talking about so much! We talk about world building, transitioning into absurdism and Todd's organized crime problem on this week of Of Horses and Men.Bojack and Diane return from Boston and get dinner with Mr. Peanutbutter. A bit of a feud starts between the two sitcom starts as they try to one-up each other in front of their shared romantic interest. When Peanutbutter and Diane leave for home, Bojack gets blackout drunk and steals the D off of the giant Hollywood sign. Do you like what you're listening to? Consider supporting Infinity Break and Of Horses And Men by subscribing and donating to our Patreon. Your monthly donation helps us improve the quality of this show and create more shows like it, plus you get access to behind the scenes content that gets cut from the episode.

It’s a Princess Caroline centric episode! FINALLY! Lesley and Ben talk about how streaming formatting changes comedy storytelling and multiple perspective stories, Ben talks about his workaholism and we both have plenty of praise for Princess Caroline. After Bojack shows up at her house, or maybe it was her office, during a bender, Princess Caroline decides to get her life and his career back together. She turns up at work to find that her agency is descending into chaos and is undergoing a merger. Caroline finds that she’s sharing a workspace with vindictive power player Vanessa Gecko. Meanwhile Bojack tries to rekindle his love affair with Princess Caroline, sabotaging parts of her career in progress. Todd lands an endorsement deal for German Bourbon. And we are introduced to the reptilian wonders that are Charlie Witherspoon and Lenny Turtletaub. Between juggling clients, Bojack’s misplaced affection, and trying to counter Vanessa’s attempts to push her further down the ladder, she completely misses her own birthday.

It's a sad one today folks! Lesley and Ben theorize about Herb and Bojack's last moments together before Herb got fired, pick apart Bojack Horseman's incredible art design and, most importantly, Todd makes friends! YAY TODD! Our story switches over to Bojack’s side and explains why he suddenly dropped out of the film project Princess Caroline proposed to him at the end of the last episode. Bojack decides to go visit Herb Kazazz after his passive aggressive invitation to come to Malibu. In the car, he relays the story of their friendship, telling Diane about their meeting in the 80s comedy scene and working together on the first couple of years of Horsing Around. A few years into Horsing Around, Herb and Bojack have a tense working relationship, but when Herb is caught in a scandal that threatens the show with cancellation, Bojack agrees to stand by him. When push comes to shove, Bojack is railroaded out of a choice and doesn’t speak up when the time comes.

We're back to the jokes! Thank God! Mere moments after the events of episode eight, and by that we mean the kiss, Bojack and Diane have a tense interaction in the car. Bojack decides that he knows what’s in Diane’s best interests and vows to sabotage the wedding with the help of Todd and Princess Caroline. Neither of them really bite into Bojack’s plan - with Todd being very uncomfortable about spying on Mr. Peanutbutter. Princess Caroline finds herself a boyfriend in the form of three kids stacked inside a trench coat, and Todd accidentally becomes best friends with Mr. Peanutbutter after agreeing to become his driver. After several failed attempts to sabotage the wedding, Bojack resigns himself to being happy for his friends.

Does this episode feel familiar. It's a Hollywoo madcap comedy on this week of Of Horses and Men with Lesley and Ben. Bojack is on the set of his new movie, an exact replication of Episode 6 - Our A Story is A D Story - when Bojack stole the D off of the Hollywood sign for Diane. Todd manages to get hired as a production assistant under Quinten Tarantulino and his unchecked ambition turns The Mr. Peanut Butter story into a space opera into an interactive app into a curated box of snacks. Bojack and Todd finally come to a head around Bojack sabotaging the Rock Opera. And Lastly and definitely not leastly in terms of long term continuity, Diane’s Bojack book is done, but after Bojack rejects it’s narrative, a vengeful Diane publishes some damning excerpts of it on Buzzfeed.

ARRRRRRT EPISODE! Lesley and Ben talk about the drug filled mania that is Episode 11 of Season 1. We get into visual story telling through editing, what if scenarios, the need for interpersonal validation even if it's false, and drugs. Lotsa lotsa drugs. Also, psst, there's some bonus content on our patreon about social media validation. Bojack finds himself, let’s say, less than pleased with Diane’s portrayal of him in her book. He vows to his publisher that he will have a better book written for him in five days. Here’s the thing though, Bojack is not an author. And neither is Todd or Sarah Lynn, who Bojack recruits to help him pen his great American autobiography. This sounds like a good plan right? Well unfortunately: drugs.

Content Warning: This episode features discussion of suicide from about minute 00:06:30 to 00:09:00. The discussion is extremely brief and specific content warning is featured within the episode. In the final narrative episode of season one, Lesley and Ben get a little fatalist and talk about living a life well lived, what Ben's Christian middle school defined as character, the comedic complexities of Vincent Adultman and how Bojack's past shapes his present. We're finally done with season one! Thank you all very much for your support! We'll be back next week with a season one recap and then we move into season two! In 1973, famed racing horse Secretariat answers a letter from a young Bojack Horseman during his appearance on the Dick Cavett show. He encourages Bojack that, in order to deal with his sadness, he should run forward and never look back. In the present, Bojack enjoys the fleeting success of his new book and convinces Princess Caroline and Lenny Turtletaub that now is the best time to make the Secretariat biopic he's been wanting to make his whole life. Will this dream project be what finally makes our very depressed horse happy?

Back in the 90s I was in a very famous tv show. Over the last twelve episodes, we’ve gone on a journey through the first season of BoJack Horseman, in which Lesley and Ben dissected the episodes piece by piece, scene by scene, sight gag by sight gag, to bring you the best analysis of BoJack Horseman possible. Well, Season One done, and we’re getting ready to launch into Season Two next week. Before we do that, we wanted to take a quick opportunity to discuss some of the over-arcing themes that Season One has brought us and discuss the show as a whole.

Filming has begun on the Secretariat Biopic movie and Bojack Horseman is getting some stage fright. Bojack has tasked himself with turning over a new leaf with the help on an audio book narrated by George Takei. As part of his renewed lease on life, Bojack has thrown out his old couch that Todd used to sleep in this episode. Meanwhile, Diane feels unfilled at her new job as a character consultant on the set of the new Secretariat movie. With Sebastian St. Clair calling her about his humanitarian adventures, Diane is starting to wonder if she made the right choice. Meanwhile, Mr. Peanutbutter tries to make friends through the magic of the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones.

Todd Chavez has built a Disneyland. That’s the show. Following the success of his biography, Bojack Horseman finds that the fame he left behind a decade ago has resurfaced. Bojack finds that his dates are only dating him because he’s trendy and his restaurant and favorite watering hole have been flooded with tourists and fans. At a roller rink in the valley, Bojack meets Wanda, an owl TV executive who has just woken up from a thirty year coma. Bojack is enchanted by the fact that she has no idea who he is and they hit it off. Bojack finds himself in a romantic relationship with Wanda that starts to fall apart because of Bojack’s insecurities. Meanwhile, Mr. Peanutbutter and Todd get into a dispute over their ownership of somebody else’s intellectual property For this special episode, Ben and Lesley are joined by longtime Bojack Horseman fan, Candace Raphael! It's our first time recording with a guest!

In a brief flashback to the taping of the Horsing Around pilot, Herb Kazaz imparts a simple word of advice to the four new members of his cast: that they’re family and should treat each other as such. Smash cut forward in time and the four actors are together again for a less than happy reunion: Herb’s funeral. Bojack temporarily crosses paths with Charlotte, Herb’s deer ex girlfriend, who lets Bojack know that if he’s ever in New Mexico she should come find him. The cast of Horsing Around is at each other’s throats until they presented with an floppy disk that leads to Herb Kazaz’s secret gold. What happens next is a trip down memory lane and a scathing indictment of former Happy Days star Henry Winkler. Lesley and Ben are joined by future Infinity Break star Johnny Rinaldo, who imparts his wisdom on grief, the nature of loss and graphic design while Lesley and Ben reflects on found family narratives.