The Art of Not Making It: with Tiffany Springle

Today's guest is Ashley Wool! This has to be one of my favorite interviews so far on The Art of Not Making It. Honest and pure, Ashley and I get into what it's like when you finally reach Broadway. Once there, you are not only experiencing your Broadway debut, but originating a lead in a new, ground-breaking musical. How do you handle the pressure, excitement, and unknown?Ashley and I met 11 years ago at an audition and instantly hit it off. We've stayed in touch and it's been so lovely to follow her career as it brings her to this moment. After years of hard work and living authentically, Ashley is making her Broadway debut as Jessica in How To Dance In Ohio.  Here's a bit about the show (as quoted from their website):Based on the award-winning HBO documentary, How to Dance in Ohio is a heart-filled new musical exploring the need to connect and the courage it takes to step out into the world. At a group counseling center in Columbus, Ohio, seven autistic young adults prepare for a spring formal dance—a rite of passage that breaks open their routines and sets off hilarious and heartbreaking encounters with love, stress, excitement, and independence. How to Dance in Ohio is a story about people standing on the cusp of the next phase of their lives, facing their hopes and fears, ready to make a very big first move…and dance.Reviews have been gushing......take a look:"Groundbreaking. Thoughtful and poetic. This feel-good show is a milestone. "-The New York Times"Broadway’s most original new musical. It will stay with you."-The Daily Beast"Groundbreaking and big-hearted. A Broadway first."-Variety"How to Dance in Ohio makes me believe in Broadway once again."-TheatrelyBook & Lyrics by Jacob Yandura, Music by Lily Ling, Musical Direction by Mayte Natalio, Choreography by Sammi Cannold, and Directed by Harold Prince. In a Broadway first, seven actors on the autistic spectrum play the autistic leads. Finally.But it doesn't just stop with the casting. You can feel the thoughtful choices made in all aspects of the show, from the team compiled (with close to 50 members involved on and off stage making their Broadway debuts), to the resources tab on their website which answers commonly asked questions and misconceptions.This is a monumental, historical piece of Broadway history, and I'm so excited for Ashley to impact so many people with her art.  You can catch How to Dance in Ohio at the Belasco Theater, and more details can be found on their website at:https://howtodanceinohiomusical.com/Here it is. The Art of Not Making It. 

Hello friends! Today's episode is pretty special. They say don't meet your heroes. That is, unless they are Michael Rupert. Then you are in for a real treat. It was such a pleasure having Michael on, and he shares some invaluable insight on sustaining a lifelong career in this industry. Michael John Rupert is an American actor, singer, director and composer. In 1968, he made his Broadway debut in The Happy Time as Bibi Bonnard for which he received a Tony Award nomination and the Theater World Award. He originated the role of "Marvin" in the William Finn musicals March of the Falsettos and Falsettoland. Rupert has been the nominee and recipient of several Tony and Drama Desk awards. Theater Credits Include:The Happy Time - Bibi Bonnar (Original Broadway Cast)Pippin  - Pippin (replacement)Shakespeare's Cabaret - MichaelMarch of the Falsettos - Marvin (Original Cast)Sweet Charity - Oscar (revival)Mail - AlexCity of Angels - Stine (replacement)Falsettoland - Marvin (Original Cast)Falsettos - Marvin (Original Cast)Ragtime - Tateh (replacement)Elegies: A Song Cycle - Original PerformerLegally Blonde - Professor Callahan (Original Broadway Cast)Monarch - Kenneth SharpeOn The Town - Judge Pitkin (revival) DirectingIn 1997, Rupert directed an Off-Broadway production of  The Lunch Anxieties by Larry Kunofsky at the Harold Clurman Theatre. He directed J. Arlington Meyrelles III's musical, The Stars In Your Eyes, in an Equity workshop production in 1998. Rupert directed Thrill Me: Leopold & Loeb Story (2005) at the York Theatre.ComposingRupert composed the music, with book and lyrics by Jerry Colker, to the 1985 Off-Broadway music 3 Guys Naked from the Waist Down, which won the Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Book and was nominated for Outstanding Music.The score for Mail (1988) was also written by Rupert with Colker once again writing the book and lyrics. Rupert wrote the score to Strange Vacation (1998) and collaborated with Allan Heinberg. He composed the score and co-wrote the book and lyrics with Matthew Riopelle for the musical Streets of America (2007).On August 18, 2008 the number "Racing to the Moon" was released Footlight Label as a single featuring three different performances: one by Rupert, another by actor Sebastian Arcelus, and an instrumental version by the guitarist David Timmons. His debut single, "Racing to the Moon" was released on August 18, 2008 on the Footlight label.New episodes of The Art of Not Making It every 1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month. Subscribe so you never miss an episode.Here it is. The Art of Not Making It. 

Today's guest is the luminous Josh Saleh! Josh Saleh is a host, gamer, and dog dad! Josh hosts Marvel Let's Play, where he interviews, plays with and showcases Marvel talent, game developers, and fans. His Marvel hosting background includes movie premieres, Marvel gaming tournaments, numerous Comic Con panels, as well as Marvel Minute. When he's not nerding out at Marvel, you can catch him on Amazon as their tech and gaming host, and creating video game content for Adorama!Upcoming: Hosting Marvel's San Diego Comic Con! I'm already geeking out. Dates: Thu, Jul 20, 2023 – Sun, Jul 23, 2023Josh is also developing his Party Card Game - Change My Mind!C'mon. Everyone loves a Card Game. Here are more details:Are you the loudest in the room? The most opinionated?! Change My Mind is a party game for loud people who love to debate! Explode into ludicrous debates and absurd chaos as you try and have the last word!Rank the most absurd categories you'd never thought you'd rank! Use your voice to change the minds of players and have them second guess their rankings. With 150 cards that span across all themes, no topic is safe! Do you have what it takes to change someone's mind?You can support Change My Mind here:Kickstarter LinkSocials:www.JoshSaleh.comInstagram: JoshSalehTwitter/Tik Tok: JoshDSalehJosh is the best, and it was awesome chatting with him. So good it almost gave me the foops. New episodes of The Art of Not Making It every 1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month. Subscribe so you never miss an episode.Here it is. The Art of Not Making It. 

Howdy! Today's guest is the AMAZING Chloë Campbell. Chloë was one of my first friends in NYC. I think I'd just moved to NYC a week prior to us meeting. Despite knowing her for 10+ years, there was so much about her personal career journey I didn't know. It was nice to finally sit down and chat. I appreciate Chloë so much for giving me some of her time. As you can hear in the interview, she's very busy balancing her roles as a parent and dancer. Both are incredibly time consuming, but she handles it with grace. She even has her own podcast, Mutha, where she discusses the balancing act of being on Broadway and a parent. Please give her a follow and listen- it's an incredible podcast that definitely serves an overlooked part of the entertainment industry. Chloë's professional credits include: Broadway: Hamilton, King Kong, and Tuck Everlasting. Broadway Tours include In The Heights. West End London - Mary Poppins, Desperately Seeking Susan, Shoes, and On The TownChloë's Podcast: MuthaMutha's Insta : @muthapodcastChloë's insta : @chloe.s.campbellNew episodes of The Art of Not Making It every 1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month. Subscribe so you never miss an episode.Here it is. The Art of Not Making It. 

Hello hello! Tiffany here.At the time of this episode's release, I have come down with the flu. Luckily, I have a british robot man to record the introduction. Robots: they are the future. It's all fun and games until AI destroys mankind. In the meantime, we've got a great episode for you today! STACEY WEINGARTEN is an Emmy-winning multi-hypenate specializing in writing, directing, and producing musical and puppet works, especially for kids/families. She’s worked everywhere from “Sesame Street” to “Avenue Q”, with everyone from Kermit to Julie Andrews, and develops projects that promote social awareness through entertainment. Stacey was represented Off-Broadway last year by “Rescue Rue”, a musical fairytale inspired by her rescue dog. Stacey served as a Puppet Consultant on “Blippi’s Treehouse” (Amazon), Consulting Creative Producer/Series Director/Contributing Writer for “Reading Buddies” S2 (PBS), Co-Creator/Writer of “Monica’s Mixing Bowl” (Independent) as well as “Cone of Shame” (Handmade Puppet Dreams). Other favorite Bookwriting projects include time-travelinʼ sci-fi rock opera “Ludo's Broken Bride”; chanson-infused historical-fiction “5th Republic”; 1890s gender-affirming Storyville tale “Madame” (w/L Morgan Lee). A former DG Fellow, Stacey teaches puppetry at Pace, volunteers as the Children’s Media Association's LA Chapter President, and promises not to put puppets in anything unless it's appropriate.Stacey Weingarten is directing her play, Runaway Rue, at the Fringe Festival in LA!!! Dates are June 4, 9, 11, 17, 18. You can find more details at RueTix.comThis is a really special episode and I'm grateful to call Stacey a friend. New episodes of The Art of Not Making It every 1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month. Subscribe so you never miss an episode.Here it is. The Art of Not Making It. 

Today's guest is the amazing Bryan Matechen! Bryan Matechen, a born and bred Pittsburgher (with a flare for style), moved to New York City in 2010 and hit the ground running. Starting as the Costume Coordinator on the hit television show Gossip Girl, where he worked for their final two seasons. Some other credits include Netflix’s: The Politician and Tales of the City, HBO’s: The Other Two, The Plot Against America, Crashing, Amazon’s Z:The Beginning of Everything, Comedy Central’s Broad City, and NBC’s Late Night with Seth Meyers. He’s currently working on his 8th season over at Saturday Night Live as the Film Unit Associate Costume Designer where he has over 150 episodes under his belt. It was such a pleasure having Bryan on. One of my first friends in NYC, it's been a joy to follow his journey and cheer him on. He deserves all the success he's achieved over the years. I hope you leave this episode motivated and inspired.Want more episodes like this? Subscribe so you never miss an episode! New episodes with the best in entertainment the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays of every month. This is the art of not making it. 

Today's guest is the amazing Jenny Mollet! Jenny Mollet is an extremely versatile and international artist originally from Switzerland, who was raised and is currently based in New York City. She is a graduate of the BFA Musical Theater program at University of Cincinnati: College - Conservatory of Music (CCM) as well as a graduate Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts aka “The Fame School”.Jenny has an immense love and a passion for the arts since she could remember. Starting off in sports as a child, she then added dance to the list and that’s where she found her calling. From there, one thing flowed into the next which lead her to many amazing opportunities such as joining a professional dance company at the age of six, performing on national tv, participating in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, modeling, recording music, and more.Other exciting opportunities include such as being a part of the original Broadway production of Oprah Winfrey’s, “The Color Purple” as Young Celie/Young Olivia/Henrietta, the Associate Choreographer and a dancer in Tituss Burgess’ music video for his hit single “45,” and has recently wrapped up her time on the 50th Anniversary national tour as a Soul Singer/Ensemble u/s Mary Magdalene. She has also performed all over in theater productions, readings, and workshops.In addition to the arts, some of the things she enjoys is traveling, making connections with people from all walks of life, spending quality time with her loved ones, and health/wellness. Jenny is certified in various fitness formats such as Zumba, Zumba Toning, and PiYo, and has been teaching classes since her college days. She is now working on her Yoga and overall Group Fitness certifications.Instagram: @jenny.mollet Website: www.jennymollet.comOrganizations Mentioned In This Episode:Broadway Ambassador for “Broadway Arts Education” aka BAE: https://www.broadwayforartsed.org/Part of the founding members of Womxn of Tomorrow (WOT): https://womxnoftomorrow.org/

Super excited to have Jacob Williams as the season debut guest. He's the best. Jacob Williams is a comedian who has performed on several popular TV shows including America’s Got Talent, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Adam Devine’s House Party, Roast Battle and 12 seasons of MTV’s Wild ‘N Out. Jacob’s debut one-hour stand-up comedy special and album Unemotional Roller Coaster is available on YouTube, Sirius XM and all audio-streaming platforms. He regularly tours across America and beyond, telling jokes at comedy clubs, colleges, theaters and private events. Jacob has also studied improv and sketch comedy at institutions such as Second City, UCB, iO, Magnet Theater, ComedySportz, The Peoples Improv Theater, The Playground Theater and The Annoyance Theatre. He is based in New York City where he performs often whenever he is not touring. For new jokes and show info visit him on social media at @MrJacobWilliams.----------------------------------------------------------------------------IG/Twitter/TikTok: @MrJacobWilliamsJacobWilliamsComedy.comOne-hour stand-up special Unemotional Roller Coaster free on YouTube: https://youtu.be/YAda4xsGKjM----------------------------------------------------------------------------If you liked this interview, subscribe and follow so you never miss an episode. New episodes the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. Stay curious. Enjoy the journey. 

Hi friend. Tiffany Springle here. So good to be back. The 1st season ended late February of 2020... and we all know how that year went. It's been a minute.Alright, so I do need to get something off my chest. Real talk: I recorded this episode in one take, on my bed, at midnight. After a long week of deadlines (on other projects I'm very excited to share soon), I almost did not record this intro episode. We've all been there right? You are so focused on making it "good" or setting aside "more time," you just never get started? I realized what I was doing and said, forget it, I'd rather be honest and put something out there than nothing at all.  With that being said, my apologies for the rambling and incessant "ums." Thank you for taking me as I am.I justify this as embodying the essence of the show: loose, imperfect, and authentic.  The Art of Not Making It  Season 2 is going to be pretty dang special. Interviews with the best in entertainment. How they got to where they are, and the stops they took along the way. New episodes will be released the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays of every month. Subscribe so you never miss an episode. So excited to have you here. It's going to be a good time. 

Today's episode is a good friend of mine: Jovon Outlaw. ⁠⁠He does his own thing, and I absolutely love that he is 100% authentic in everything he does. ⁠⁠Jovon Outlaw is a New York City-based, multi-disciplinary artist. A graduate of the SUNY Purchase College Film Conservatory, Jovon’s primary occupation is as a freelance Director of Photography and Director. Jovon has worked on numerous projects, notably for CollegeHumor, NBC, Marvel, Juilliard, Microsoft, Assembly.com, Josh Ruben, Micheal Almerayda, Celia-Rolwson-Hall, Kassia Miller, Chris Osborn, Mitski, Eigil Bryld, and Anu Valia.⁠⁠Jovon is also an Improvisor and studied at the Upright Citizen Brigade, the former Reckless Theatre, and IO Chicago- for which he was invited to attend as a recipient of the James Conklin Memorial Scholarship. Jovon marries improvisation to his work as a DP and director as he feels it has strengthened his skills at shooting, writing, and directing by enabling him to become more flexible and adaptable to new ideas. He brings this fluidity and creative energy to all aspects of his work.⁠This episode is going to be the last one for the Season, and "The Art of Not Making It" will be coming back better than ever in January. ⁠⁠The next season will be even better, and I can't wait for you to see the changes happening. The guests already on the lineup are SO. GREAT. ⁠⁠I'm always looking of ways to improve. Just like everything, the Podcast is continuing to grow and find it's voice. Send me a message or leave feedback on what you are enjoying and what you'd like to see more of! Subscribe and follow so you don't miss the 2nd Season Launch in January!⁠Like, subscribe, and let me know what you'd like to see more of! ⁠

Today's episode is Meghan Pulles. Singer-songwriter, her music has touched people all over the world! And just like all my other guests, she still hasn't "made it." Meghan is a classically trained opera singer and theater actress who transitioned into a singer-songwriter 7 years ago, after moving to NYC from Orlando. Not planning to pursue music as a career, her path shifted when she became awakened to the musical healing, and spirituality of songwriting. Learning to love the tribulations of life through processing by creating music, She believes that songwriting is cathartic; an emotional band-aid to help heal, and to overcome past obstacles…. Working towards the “small miracles” of joy to help change the world, she hopes to share her instrumental music to help heal, soothe, motivate, and inspire others enduring pain, by giving fans a musical hug and making them feel uplifted and connected to their inner-selves, whilst listening and through introspection.Really loved sitting down with Meghan. As a friend, it's very comfortable for us to just let our guards down with each other and be an open book. On this episode, we talk about sexual harassment we dealt with in our previous work environment, and how Meghan used these traumatic experiences to fuel and motivate her art. Please note, we do discuss sexual harassment in case this is a triggering topic. I really admire Meghan's bravery to talk about this openly. When we experienced this, there was no #MeToo movement. We felt very much alone, and like we had no where to turn to. Glad things are changing, and women are now finding they can speak up and report such instances (and that their reports will be taken seriously). Please check out Meghan's EP, "Keep The Light On," on Spotify, Itunes, and any other location you listen to your favorite Indie Bands. Subscribe, rate, and review, and see ya next week! Episode is sponsored by Theatrical Index, with music by Sofie Zamchick and Meghan Pulles. You are good enough. See ya next week. -Tiffany Springle 

On today's episode, I have one of my favorite improv teammates, Nate Brown. We met in comedy, but Nate Brown has an extensive career in film and television. He is currently working as Studio Floor Director on "Chris Gethard Presents" and Studio Floor Supervisor on "NY1 News." I truly love how honest and raw Nate is on this episode. It's really heartfelt, and we talk about battling our insecurities, disappointments, and what is truly considered "successful." If you are working two successful t.v. shows simultaneously, wouldn't that be considered "success?" And if it's not, is there ever a point where you are going to feel you've "made it?" Nate's episode epitomizes everything this podcast is about. I'm so glad he came on and I think you are going to love it. Subscribe, rate, and review, and see ya next week! Episode is sponsored by Theatrical Index, with music by Sofie Zamchick. Nate is wonderful, and so are you. -Tiff 

Today’s episode I sit down (and drink) with Chris Evan Simpson. Chris is a great guy, and it was a blast talking with him. He’s an example of how being a likable person can actually lead to good opportunities. Actor/Comedian/Singer, Chris and I met performing on Musical Megawatt at Magnet Theater. Improvising entire musicals, Musical Megawatt showcases some of the best in the scene. Chris is one of the longest performing players on Musical Megawatt. It’s not surprising. He’s a cool and funny dude, and he commits hard on stage. We spoke right before the final performances of “Puffs!” ended it’s Off-Broadway run at New World Stages. "Puffs," or, "Seven Increasingly Eventful Years at a Certain School of Magic & Magic," is a Potter inspired comedy for anyone who has ever felt like a secondary character in someone else's story. Hilarious and surprisingly heartfelt, it really is a magical show. Chris talks about his time there as the swing for “Cedric / Oliver,” as well as navigating through this industry and the many ways musical improv is amazing.He also deals with me getting tipsy off one beer.  If you like the episode, be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss one in the future! And if you could rate or review, that also would be wonderful. Cheers!

On today's episode, I met up with Sopan Deb at the NY Times. We talk about his one-of-a-kind career path, and also therapy (spoiler: don't get a therapist who falls asleep while you are talking to them). After covering the Trump Campaign for CBS News, Sopan had three paths he could have taken: head to Washington D.C. and join the White House Pres Corps, join the NY Times as a culture reporter, or become a television comedy writer for The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. As someone who has a hard time deciding what to order for dinner, I have no idea what I would have done. Probably shake in anxiety until the last minute and decide on the Mac and Cheese. In the end, Sopan accepted his offer with the NY Times. Sopan Deb is currently a culture and sports reporter for The New York Times, writing about the intersection of politics and culture, among other topics. Before joining The Times, he covered Trump's presidential campaign for CBS News. You've probably seen several of the NY Times Talks interviews he's hosted, including Stephen Colbert and Hasan Minhaj. His new book, Missed Translations: Meeting the Immigrant Parents Who Raised Me, is being released and published by Harper Collins and is currently available for pre-order here. Missed Translations will officially be available on April 21st, 2020, at Barnes & Noble, Books-A-Million, Amazon, Indiebound, and pretty much anywhere that sells books. With a foreword by Hasan Minhaj, it's already receiving high-praise and attention. “Sopan Deb hilariously and truthfully lets us in on the ups, downs, lefts, and rights of trying to understand - as a standup comedian and a journalist - the two grown-up strangers who raised him. It’s a crazy story, but you know. Good crazy. Funny crazy. Read-this-book crazy.” -Pete Holmes, comedian, podcast host, and author of Comedy Sex God“As a man who has been a performer and covered performance, Sopan Deb now paints his most important picture yet, the self-portrait.”-Roy Wood Jr., comedian and correspondent on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah“Both Moving and hilarious, Missed Translations is not just about exploring culture, family, and love, but also understanding where one comes from in the deepest possible way. It’s a wonderful journey.” -Jake Tapper, CNN host and author of The Hellfire ClubSopan is a unique guy. Journalist. Author. Stand Up Comedian. Pianist. He does a lot of things and he does them well. We met about three years ago when we performed on the same comedy show. We've stayed friends, and when I was creating "The Art of Not Making It, " I knew he would be great to sit down with. I texted him about it. He said yes. And here we are. As always, please subscribe, rate, and review! New episodes every Thursday. Don't be Sopan's therapist. 

Welcome back! Today's episode we take a peek behind the curtain as one of the unsung heroes of Broadway. Today I sit down with Beth DuBon, and we chat about her unique path into Wardrobe and Costuming. Beth lives in NYC and is currently working on Beetlejuice the Musical at the Winter Garden Theater. Previous credits include Angels in America, Natasha Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812, Father Comes Home from the Wars, and many others. It was really great talking with Beth, and we even hit on a topic rarely talked about (and should be): money. As always share, like, review, and subscribe! Anyone you'd like me to sit down with? Let me know! New episodes every Thursday. Be kind and be you. Until next time.-Tiff 

In today's episode, I chat with X Mayo. ⁠Get ready to feel motivated and make things happen. ⁠Currently a writer on "The Daily Show with Trevor Noah" and Suz in "The Farewell," X Mayo does it all: Actress/Producer/Comedian/Writer/Director/Dancer. ⁠Dedicated to lifting up other artists of color, she is the Producer and creator of "Who Made the Potato Salad," a wildly successful sketch comedy show based in NYC. "Who Made the Potato Salad?" only stars people of color and aims to uplift diverse voices by giving them a huge platform to showcase their talent. ⁠X and I met in comedy, and I'm so happy for all her recent accomplishments. You are going to love this. ⁠Link to episode in bio.⁠As always, subscribe, rate, review, and share. New episodes every Thursday. ⁠Au revoir, ⁠Tiff ⁠

Today's episode is a good one! I sit down with Maurio HInes, right before he makes his Metropolitan Opera Debut in the highly-anticipated new production of "Porgy and Bess." Opera Singer/Dancer/Actor, Maurio was told repeatedly he wouldn't "make it." Ignoring them, Maurio has made a successful career for himself despite the odds. We drink iced lattes together and talk about his path to the Met,and how someone with classical vocal training makes it happen in a modern world. Link in bio. Take a listen! Share! Review! Download! Subscribe! New episodes every Thursday, here at The Art of Not Making It. 'Til next time! -Tiff

I don't think you are ready for this. ⁠Today's episode I sit down with Liz Flemming, the Artistic Director of "Out of the Box Theatrics." Just ending their limited engagement of "The Pink Unicorn," starring Tony Award Winner Alice Ripley, OOTB challenges audiences to experience work outside of their expectations and strives to diversify American theater by providing an inclusive and accessible platform for artists and patrons.⁠We discuss Liz's beginnings as an actress new to the city, and her transformation into the Founding Producing Artistic Director of one NYC's most exciting Theater Companies. ⁠

After three years of saying I will do this, it's finally here! Today is the release of the introductory episode to the new Podcast, "The Art of Not Making It!" My name is Tiffany Springle, and it's a pleasure to meet you! I've had a tricky time navigating my place as an artist. As someone who considers themselves a Comedian, Actor, Writer, Singer, Immersive Theater Artist, AND Over-Sharer, the question of "what do you do?" has always been a tricky thing for me to navigate. Also, what is considered "successful" in the world of Entertainment where you can be employed one moment and completely jobless the next? It's easy to feel alone and like the hill is too steep to climb. But one day I realized, there is no such thing as making it. There's no set destination. ⁠It's a lifelong journey.⁠⁠"The Art of Not Making It" is a weekly Podcast with new episodes every Thursday. Talking with the best in show biz, we have intimate conversations that break down individual journeys in this Industry, battling insecurities, and what to do when you realize that the top isn't as glamorous as people think.  ⁠⁠Today's intro episode will let you know a bit about me and where I'm coming from. Originally I thought it would have lots of jokes and humor, but it's heartfelt and honest instead. Download episodes and subscribe at the link in the bio. Rate and review. Share us with your friends. Send me a message. Thanks for stopping by, and talk soon! ⁠