After the Deluge

Ben Lee is a musician from Australia now in LA. We talk about New Wave, having his mind blown on a flight to Australia, trusting Tegan and Sara’s taste, a punk-rock duet, why Ben covered this record, the music industry changes so why resist it, would you take the Hyundai sponsorship, would you open for Maroon 5?, New Wave is a historical document, clunky sentences as catchy choruses, “Be my Baby,” Trent Reznor, Butch Vig, Nic Johns, fan backlash, and viewing your life as an art project. Support the show! patreon.com/afterthedeluge  - x.com/benlee (Ben)   - x.com/routinelayup (Justin)  --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Laura Jane Grace is the songwriter behind Against Me! We discuss meaningless songs, the 7-hour Beatles documentary, she quit horoscopes, big life changes, Travis Barker on Rick Rubin, Operation Ivy reunion vs. Fugazi reunion, hoarding guitars, “Fit But You Know It” by The Streets, Butch Vig gave Laura homework, Franz Ferdinand-core, bitching about the music industry in song, Laura’s favorite Nirvana album, Steve Albini, Tom Petty, naiveté + inexperience + ambition + hard work = good, morning-pages, Yoga with Adriene, Steak Mtn as a pen-pal, Birds Talk Too, touching grass, George Harrison, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dysphoria Hoodie, not thinking about gender, Lay’s potato chips and Billy Corgan, shredding her voice, relapsing on coffee, movies stink now, plus the current and future state of Against Me! Laura's new solo record, ⁠Hole in My Head⁠, is out now. -- twitter.com/LauraJaneGrace twitter.com/routinelayup Support the pod: patreon.com/afterthedeluge Buy a zine: afterthedeluge.bigcartel.com/ Contact me: delugepodcast@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Jordan Kleeman started Crasshole Records as a teenager and put out several early Against Me! EPs including this legendary self-titled 12” record. We talk about the first version of “Walking is Still Honest,” why this beautiful record sounds like shit, a decade of touring with Against Me!, and holding down that synth-key note on “8 Hours of Full Sleep.” Just a wonderful person and a perfect boomerang back to the beginning of this band’s story. - You can reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com - Get a Zine: patreon.com/afterthedeluge - Rate/review this podcast on Apple Podcasts! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Full Shape Shift With Me episode available now at patreon.com/afterthedeluge⁠ Thanks for supporting the show! Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com -- twitter.com/routinelayup instagram.com/routinelayup --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Casey Plett is an author from Canada. We talk about coming out in a Rolling Stone article, dissecting The Ocean, seeing Against Me! In Winnipeg on the Transgender Dysphoria Blues tour, low-key gesturing back to Reinventing Axl Rose w/ those first snare hits, the novel “Nevada” by Imogen Binnie, “Rough surf on the coast, I wish I could have spent the whole day alone,” misinterpreting the message of Fight Club, which of these songs are first-person?, pressure on trans artists to be positive and peppy, dead friends, “Black Me Out,” 10 years ago compared to now, the pre-backlash liminal space that this album was born into, poetic contemplation of mosh pits, Laura looked so happy in Winnipeg, ETC!  delugepodcast@gmail.com twitter.com/routinelayup https://bsky.app/profile/caseyplett.bsky.social Rolling Stone article: https://archive.is/6YEAZ Casey Plett journal: https://caseyplett.wordpress.com/2022/03/12/i-found-an-old-journal-entry-about-when-i-saw-against-me-when-they-did-their-first-tour-after-laura-jane-transd/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Steak Mtn (Christopher Norris) did the art for several Against Me! records including this one. We talk about the album White Crosses, the revolution being a lie, collaborating on art with Laura, Christopher's not a fan of anarcho-bucket music, getting that Warner Bros. money, this album has sheen but it also has teeth, the iconic Transgender Dysphoria Blues meat-cube album cover, scanning porn magazines and melting them in Photoshop, major-label tinkering, Laura being a teenage anarchist, The Ocean is an Against Me! song from the future, White Crosses is not pop-punk; it’s pop-rock, more Florida talk, Robert McNamara’s son is a farmer and I interviewed him once, Christopher sat on a flight with the manager who was suing the band, writing a book is hard, and he’s not an artist nor is he an author, but he did design this record cover and you can buy his novel, The Holy Day, now.  steakmtn.com https://www.rosebooks.co/ twitter.com/steakmtn  twitter.com/routinelayup Email the show: delugepodcast@gmail.com  Support the show: patreon.com/afterthedeluge --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Keegan Bradford (⁠@franziamom⁠) plays in Camp Trash and writes about music online. We talk about Against Me!’s Searching for a Former Clarity, folk-punk being out of fashion, Algernon Cadwallader as a fictional band, hostile fanbases, Florida geography and scene dynamics, the best record ever about arguing on the internet, AM!’s miserable ascent, Laura breaks out the band's financials, Former Clarity is bloated but we struggle to tighten it, Miami, tiny font and Fat Mike, antagonizing the fans, Condoleeeeza, mid-2000s Franz Ferdinand-core, Problems with everything, confessing childhood secrets, the jean-jacket patch version of a Live Laugh Love sign, John K. Samson, Justin's dead, the band sounds exhausted but there is joy in every possibility.  - x.com/franziamom (Keegan)- https://camptrash.bandcamp.com (Camp Trash)  - x.com/routinelayup (Justin) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

This week we go to the movies. I'm joined by Dan Bassini and Andrew Valentine of the Run into the Ground podcast to talk about the 2004 Against Me! tour documentary We're Never Going Home, which sees the band getting courted by major labels and fucking with their fellow touring bands. Plus Asbury Park, depressing East Coast beaches, and iconic venue carpets. It's a fun one. [WATCH VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE] Watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VYHM_4-H2s Run into the Ground: https://open.spotify.com/show/0OQ2VNOgHqPsoys5NWVnU5?si=155e6ffb1ff64d15 Dan's new book (When I Kill God...): https://www.danbassini.com/when-i-kill-god Donate in memory of Steve Poponi: https://www.gradwellhouse.com/steve-poponi --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Austin Lucas is a musician whose latest album is called Reinventing Against Me! We talk about being crust-adjacent, Austin’s path from hardcore to country, The Go-Gos, the Axl cover, live-streaming through the early pandemic, "Oh Donna," knocking out a record in two days, John Mellencamp’s background singer, that snare drum tone, St. Anger, Fall Out Boy’s “We Didn’t Start the Fire,” arguing online, Jason Isbell on Twitter, coming out as trans, The Revival Tour, John Popper, Laura Jane Grace as one of our greatest songwriters, when punk bands make pop records, when the scene gets gentrified, ETC!  Support this show get a zine: patreon.com/afterthedeluge twitter.com/routinelayup instagram.com/austinlucasmusic/ austinlucas.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Crime as Forgiven By Against Me! was released in 2001 and followed that same year by the band's self-titled acoustic EP. Frank Turner is a musician from England. He joined us from his studio while working on his next album. We talk about knocking out records, Alternative Press, diagonal haircuts, gatekeeping subgenres of emo, Frank was a few high school grades behind Against Me!, the Crime EP was slipped to him like drugs, he loves New Wave, trying to be Neil Young, "selling out" at the dawn of social media, Love Ire & Song, feeling a little guilty around Ian MacKaye, going back in time to give Against Me! a hug, Gainesville, Tom Petty, No Idea Records, Lisa Loeb, folk is the only scene more annoying than punk, Frightened Rabbit, “Dylan goes electric,” me playing harmonica with Frank at The Fillmore, Against Me! scaring his fans in the UK, and then my wife pops in to say a quick hello. -- frank-turner.com patreon.com/afterthedeluge twitter.com/routinelayup --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Season 3 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Against Me! discography with a new guest each week, starting with their early days in Gainesville followed by records released on No Idea and Fat Wreck Chords before signing to a major label deal. And all of that comes well before the release of Transgender Dysphoria Blues--a significant chapter unto itself. Ep. 1 guest is Frank Turner Subscribe and tell a friend! -- For bonus content, ad-free episodes, and an Against Me! zine mailed to your home, check out patreon.com/afterthedeluge. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Tim Kasher returns for a special episode about The Good Life’s Album of the Year. We talk about Zooming with Conor Oberst on bad wifi, his upcoming tour, his high school band March Hares opening for 311, Tim’s Red Hot Chili Peppers horoscope theory, Inmates, early 2000s Saddle Creek albums about substances, Cursive, debauchery and heartache, Tim loves musicals, I get a little emo about the seasons, Vanessa Carlton, Ryan Fox's slide guitar, creating albums in a world made for songs, The Good Life’s website SEO, and what next? JOIN: patreon.com/afterthedeluge -- Tim: https://www.instagram.com/timkasher The Good Life: https://thegoodlifemusic.com/ Me: ⁠https://twitter.com/routinelayup⁠ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

I talk to Conor Oberst of Bright Eyes about Jackson Browne, emo, being a child among the Saddle Creek teens, showing ambition in a slacker scene, Pitchfork reviews, a wild story behind “Soul Singer in a Session Band," his songs making sense to him but maybe not to you, Conor’s media diet, listening to audiobooks about feathers, do people pay too much attention to politics now?, AI and Chat GPT, The Faint being ahead of their time, could he write “First Day of My Life” on command?, long songs and “Let’s Not Shit Ourselves,” using SAT words in lyrics, that perfect Waxahatchee record, the next batch of companion EPs, opening for Paramore at the Emo Fest, that cancelled Houston show, writing songs to impress Tim Kasher, Todd Fink and Ted Stevens, leaving Saddle Creek, how to get into the band Superchunk, what does Conor Oberst think of 311?, Rage Against the Machine vs. Limp Bizkit, Down in the Weeds, feeling like The Beatles on the Wide Awake tour... not so much on the Digital Ash tour… and then we meet his dog Petra and say goodbye! Support the pod/get the zine: www.patreon.com/afterthedeluge Follow Justin: twitter.com/routinelayup Follow Bright Eyes: twitter.com/brighteyesband --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

On this special episode we talk about non-Bright Eyes Conor Oberst projects over the last 25 years. I’m joined by Maddy, Michael, Rina, Greg, Justin and Per (Patreon supporters of this show ☺️) for a sprawling conversation about Oberst's solo records and side projects. There are many!  For PART 2 (+ VIDEO)  hit up patreon.com/afterthedeluge  -- Here’s the list of records I mention in the intro: CONOR OBERST Water (1993) Here’s to Special Treatment (1994) The Soundtrack to my Movie (1996) Conor Oberst (2008) ... & the Mystic Valley Band: Outer South (2009) Upside Down Mountain (2014) Ruminations (2016) Salutations (2017) COMMANDER VENUS Do You Feel at Home? (1995) The Uneventful Vacation (1997) NORMAN BAILER Sine Sierra (1995) DEAPARACIDOS Read Music / Speak Spanish (2002) Payola (2015) MONSTERS OF FOLK Monsters of Folk (2009) - Boring / Awash in reverb / Boygenius Rolling Stone BETTER OBLIVION COMMUNITY CENTER Better Oblivion Community Center (2019) - Great / Dylan Thomas Here is the Commander Venus clip mentioned in this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj9aAyCbDs&list=WL&index=110 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Marc Hogan is a senior staff writer at Pitchfork and he wrote the review of the Bright Eyes record Down in the Weeds, Where the World Once Was. In this episode we talk about a difficult decade for Conor Oberst, Audiogalaxy, patience with late-career albums, 2013’s false rape allegations, being Conor’s same age, Red Hot Chili Peppers, dropping a record in Covid, Ruminations, his brother’s death, divorce, catastrophizing his 40th birthday, Van Morrison, Dancing and Singing, Marc’s Mars Volta phase, Flea, Nothing Gets Crossed Out, old Pitchfork, who is the current Bright Eyes?, reporting on assault allegations, Drake, Hotline Bling, and the lede to Marc’s 7.4 Pitchfork review. Review https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/bright-eyes-down-in-the-weeds-where-the-world-once-was/ Marc twitter.com/marchogan Justin twitter.com/routinelayup Special thanks to Justin Corwin for helping guide me into this record. Check out his latest Bright Eyes video on THE DEEP DIVE. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Ben Dolnick is the author of four novels including The Ghost Notebooks, You Know Who You Are, and At the Bottom of Everything. He wrote this 2011 Bright Eyes essay in The Awl: https://www.theawl.com/2011/01/taste-has-never-met-shame-i-love-you-conor-oberst/ This episode features an excellent audio essay from Dominic Ronzani about why The People's Key is his favorite Bright Eyes record. It's a great supplement to the Pitchfork 5.0 Pitchfork review. We talk about Ben's Garden State moment with “Something Vague,” fear of outgrowing Bright Eyes, the idea of taste, the idea of shame, liking what you like, Ben’s piano teacher digs Bright Eyes, Elliott Smith as a Tesla and Bright Eyes as a taped-together golf cart, Ben’s excellent fader-knob theory about Sincerity/Professionalism, science fiction, Rastafarianism, Hitler, Ben blows my mind w/ the first lines of “Shell Games,” the post-Napster-pre-Spotify window of 2011, reptilians, pomegranates, Denny Brewer as a Joe Rogan guest, the non-rhyme fake-out on “Triple Spiral,” “Ladder Song” is a goosebumps tune, and 13-year-old Oberst’s song about Space Invaders.  Ben Dolnick http://bendolnick.com/ Justin Cox patreon.com/afterthedeluge  twitter.com/routinelayup --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Today we have two Bright Eyes scholars (and Patreon supporters 🥰) who truly know their shit. Pardon the slightly click-bait headline... but Per Davidson and Justin Corwin take us on a tour of some great non-album Bright Eyes tracks from splits, EPs and YouTube rarities. All six of these songs are great upon first listen, but they go up several notches after you let these two unpack them. I didn’t initially intend to explore these kinds of non-LP tracks (out of some combination of self-preservation and laziness) but this episode stands as evidence that the project would have been incomplete if I’d ignored them. Join me in thanking these two for curating the tracks on this episode. Scroll way down in this description if you want to see the songs in list form, otherwise just click play and let them wash over you. Per Davidson bit.ly/breakingupwithcapitalism Justin Corwin - The Deep Dive (YouTube) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgmY1---0BV0pQviV5X027w 👇 . . . IF YOU LOVE THIS SHOW, SUPPORT IT FOR ONLY $5 AND GET A ZINE! -- https://www.patreon.com/afterthedeluge . . . Entry Way Song Southern State Motion Sickness Tourist Trap The Trees Get Wheeled Away Happy Accident + a few more --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

HEAR THIS FULL EPISODE: PATREON.COM/AFTERTHEDELUGE⁠ Brian Howe is a music, arts and culture critic for Pitchfork and many other outlets. Evan Bailey sings and plays guitar in the band Oh, Lonesome Ana. We talk about the Bright Eyes record Cassadaga, experimental album art, mysticism, fiddles, Brian discovering Fevers & Mirrors, meaning outside of religion, reassessing this record, high fidelity audio, Brian’s 6.0 Pitchfork review, songs about Oberst's life vs. songs about The World, “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” Cassadaga, FL, songs that feel longer than they are, Oberst’s Inside Llewyn Davis audition, getting clean in Los Angeles, “Countrypolitan," "Classic Cars," seeing the Cassadaga tour live, Kirsten Dunst, Mogis pedal steel. Justin Cox patreon.com/afterthedeluge twitter.com/routinelayup Brian Howe twitter.com/Brian_Gray_Howe https://www.waxwroth.com/ Evan Bailey (Oh, Lonesome Ana) https://ohlonesomeana.bandcamp.com/ https://www.instagram.com/ohlonesomeana/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Today we talk about a bizarre phenomenon atop the Bright Eyes Spotify page.  In this episode we talk about the fact that I’m Wide Awake it’s Morning occupies every spot in the Top 5 of the Bright Eyes Spotify page. My guest is Ryan Page of Bad Dads and the Beatles vs. Stones podcast. (Full disclosure: I’m a member of both). The bulk of this episode is spent searching for a band that might fit into our Wide Awake Phenomenon. The conversation spins out in all directions from there with Ellen DeGeneres and Third Eye Blind serving as the heartbeat that keeps this thing pumping. Also discussed: Taylor Swift, Santana, selling out, the Bandcamp article about Dummy, her placenta falls to the floor, Hootie, Alanis, and Oingo Boingo.  We find one band that fits the bill and that band is ______. Got an artist that fits theWide Awake Phenomenon? Email me at justincox22@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support

Michael Tedder is culture writer who's written for Stereogum, The Ringer, Esquire, Uproxx and many more. We talk about early 2000s Bright Eyes shows in Florida, war, emo-bashing, making a 70s record, flawed voices, Conor writes his big hit, Saddle Creek 50, Michael’s coffee mug, Top-3 Saddest Horn Parts in Indie Rock History, Sufjan Stevens, Michael builds the Bright Eyes MySpace Music page live, "At the Bottom of Everything" to kick things off, Emmylou Harris & Jim James bring the HARMONIES, for Zoomers The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Bright Eyes are about the same, When We Were Young Festival, "Lua" is perfect, “Meeee— eeee—,” how long till Taylor Swift covers “First Day of My Life?,” Michael’s new book (Top Eight, How MySpace Changed Music) comes out in Aug 2023 and can be preordered now. Michael Tedder: https://twitter.com/mtedder Justin Cox: twitter.com/routinelayup Patreon (extra shit and a Bright Eyes zine): patreon.com/afterthedeluge --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support