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James and Oliver Phelps (aka Fred and George Weasley) talk to a star-studded selection of friends, colleagues and personal heroes who stepped into the limelight at a young age, and find out what “normal” means to them. As identical twins who grew up on the Harry Potter film set as Fred and George Weasley, you could never say that the pair had a “normal” start to life. But recently, they’ve been thinking: what does “normal” mean anyway? Ready your ears for behind-the-scenes Potter revelations; outrageous rants; frank conversations about mental health; and even the odd, ‘did-you-know?’ Stabl production (Formerly the Double Trouble podcast)

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Bonnie Wright

Bonnie Wright

2022-03-1159:172

Many of you may know Bonnie from her role as Ginny Weasley in the Harry Potter films. But alongside her work as an actor and director, Bonnie has another passion – the environment and taking action against climate change. Her new book, Go Gently, shares with readers simple steps we can all take, each day, to help reconnect to the natural world around us and join in the fight against climate change. You can find out more here: https://gogently.earth/book In this episode, we find out more about how Bonnie came to write her book, ask what it was like going back to school while still filming the Potter series, and discuss some of the behind-the-scenes action that happened at the recent Potter reunion. Bonnie's '3am Questions': Favourite book - Go Gently, by Bonnie Wright (of course!!)  Favourite food - Chocolate... and bread Favourite film - Children of Men Favourite song - Into the Mystic, by Van Morrison Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ollie's birthday rant

Ollie's birthday rant

2022-03-0432:411

Thank you for all of your birthday messages! In this episode we discuss our favourite Potter film sets (the answers might surprise you), our weird birthday traditions and why our 21st birthday gift from Rupert Grint had to be delivered in a lorry! We can hardly believe it, but this is our last listener episode of the season! Thank you so much for sending in all of your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’ - we've loved sharing them. We'll be back next week for this season's last episode, with a very special Potter guest. Listen to end of this episode for the big reveal! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Did you know that the first Lord of the Rings movie came out three weeks after Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone? In this episode we’re talking to the brilliant Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan - the actors who played Pippin and Merry in the films. We find out what the mischievous Merry and Pippin have in common with Fred and George Weasley, what pranks Dom pulled on set and why people are still mixing Billy and Dom up. We highly recommend that you check out Billy and Dominic’s podcast The Friendship Onion on Youtube, Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. They talk about what happened behind the scenes on Lord of the Rings, get their co-stars Elijah Wood and Sean Astin involved and generally just have loads of hilarious fun. Follow us: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @BillyBoydActor @DomsWildThings Keep sending your storytimes, questions and Did-You-Knows to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday! Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Valentine's special

Valentine's special

2022-02-1831:50

Happy Valentine's Week! In this episode we're sharing our best and worst Valentine's memories. Find out why Ollie switched places with James on a date one time, what Ollie's wife thought about getting golf gear as a Valentine's present, and what happened when James got trapped on a balcony. This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue to explore what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you! Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’. Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday. You can also find us on YouTube! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
DJ Tiga

DJ Tiga

2022-02-1152:38

Tiga didn't have your average childhood. He was born in Canada but spent many of his first ten years in Goa, where his parents were part of a community of travellers with a love of all-night beach parties and spirituality. There, he discovered the joys of playing music to a crowd, and went on to become a world-famous, award-winning DJ. He's remixed songs from The xx, LCD Soundsystem, Scissor Sisters, Peaches, Moby, Depeche Mode and more. In this episode we find out what happened when Ollie went to a rave and the police turned up, ask what it's like to change from a rule-free hippy child into a boarding school boy and discuss why your teenage years are the best times to make a few mistakes. Tiga's ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - 1984 by George Orwell or Waiting for the Barbarians by J. M. Coetzee Favourite film - Bladerunner Favourite song - Kiss by Prince Follow us: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @tiga Keep sending your storytimes, questions and Did-You-Knows to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday! Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
James' horror curse

James' horror curse

2022-02-0427:01

In this episode we learn the legend of the Phelps' everlasting goldfish, meet snake-wrangling toddlers and find out why James' character has died in every horror film he's been in... This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue to explore what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you! Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’ and right now we want your best VALENTINE'S stories and questions and facts! Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday. You can also find us on YouTube! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Kate White and Alice Homewood Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Skins' April Pearson

Skins' April Pearson

2022-01-2857:40

In this episode we chat to actor and friend April Pearson! April played Michelle in 2007 hit TV series Skins, and became something of a symbol of noughties teenage rebellion. We talk about what it's like to be best known for your first acting role, body-shaming in the entertainment industry and the dark side of intimacy on-screen. Please bear in mind that this episode is intended for adults and might not be suitable for all listeners. We were lucky enough to be guests on April's podcast 'Are You Michelle from Skins?' last year, and it's back for a new season! Subscribe now: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/are-you-michelle-from-skins/id1563027140 April's ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - Noughts and Crosses by Malorie Blackman Favourite film - Gladiator Favourite song - Evergreen by Yebba Follow us: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @apriljpearson @areyoumichellefromskins Keep sending your storytimes, questions and Did-You-Knows to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday! Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Oliver says sorry

Oliver says sorry

2022-01-2125:30

In this episode Oliver says sorry to his mum, we learn about the Toilet Paper Queen and we talk about the time Oliver's childhood medical skills kind of maybe saved James' life. This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue to explore what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you! Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’. Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday. You can also find us on YouTube! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Multi-award-winning Jany Temime has created costumes for some of the most famous film stars in the world: Daniel Craig as James Bond; Sandra Bullock in 'Gravity' and, of course, Fred and George Weasley in the Harry Potter films! In this episode we reminisce about our time on-set together, discuss our favourite Potter films and reveal our least favourite costumes. And, because Jany has known us since we were teenagers, she has a few embarrassing memories of us to share…! Jany's ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust Favourite film - The 400 Blows, directed by François Truffaut Favourite song - All You Need is Love by The Beatles Follow us: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps janytemime_costume_designer Keep sending your storytimes, questions and Did-You-Knows to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday! Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Potter reunion chat

Potter reunion chat

2022-01-0727:093

Happy New Year! In this episode we talk about what really happened behind the scenes of the Potter 20th anniversary reunion, share our dating disasters and reveal what it's like having your own stunt double. This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue to explore what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you! Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’. Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday. You can also find us on YouTube! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Alice Homewood Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
This episode's guest is Sophie Skelton! She is best known for her role as Brianna Fraser in hit Starz series Outlander. We find out how she discovered she'd landed her Outlander role, discuss trigger warnings on screen and ask why so many Harry Potter fans want Sophie to play Lily Potter! In this episode we do touch on some tough issues, including how sexual violence is depicted on screen and other subjects like suicide. While we don't go into too much detail, we understand that this might be difficult for some listeners who might choose to skip this episode. For support, please visit RAINN.org Sophie's ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë Favourite film - Good Will Hunting Favourite song - Wash Away by Joe Purdy Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @SkeltonSophie Sophie supports Crohn's & Colitis UK, a leading UK-based charity battling against Crohn’s Disease, Ulcerative Colitis, and other forms of Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD). Keep sending your storytimes, questions and Did-You-Knows to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday! Find Normal Not Normal on YouTube too. Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Festive holiday special

Festive holiday special

2021-12-2423:401

Whether you’re celebrating Christmas, Kwanzaa, or you’ve just celebrated Hanukkah, Diwali or any other festive holiday - welcome to the Normal Not Normal Holiday special! In this episode we hear all about your festive traditions. We find out how Hungarians get rid of witches at Christmas (it involves carpentry and poppy seeds), which monsters are prowling around at Chinese New Year and why you might find a fish in the bath during a Polish Christmas party! Send in your most extraordinary storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’ via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com We'll be back next week with a very special guest. You can also find us on YouTube! We want to say a thank you to listener Lucy Courtois for sending us her wonderful book Miracle: Endless Possibilities which is all about growing up with a visual impairment. Find it now on Amazon! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Not normal nature

Not normal nature

2021-12-1725:59

We're back with your 'not normal' storytimes, questions and did-you-knows! In this episode of Normal Not Normal we share what birthdays were like on the Harry Potter set, find out what James' 'dog-voice' sounds like and discover why you can never trust a donkey. This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue to explore what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you! Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’. Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com New episodes every Friday. You can also find us on YouTube! Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Alice Homewood and Kate White Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
James ruined the carpet

James ruined the carpet

2021-12-0327:231

Welcome back to Normal Not Normal!  In our first episode of season three we talk about the time we nearly got a fan fired, find out how James ruined a carpet and share some of our most awkward moments. This season we’ll be talking to some of our favourite people as we continue our collective journey exploring what normal really means. But we’ll also be hearing more from you!  Every other episode will feature your storytimes, questions and ‘did-you-knows’. Send in your most extraordinary stories via video, voice note or old fashioned email to normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com You can also find us on YouTube! New episodes every Friday. Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production Produced by Alice Homewood Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
In this special bonus episode we take a break from our break to welcome Ed Sheeran and his manager Stuart Camp onto the podcast! We were honoured to host the first interview with both Ed and Stuart together. Over the years the pair have developed a unique friendship, and Stuart and his wife are even godparents to Ed’s daughter Lyra. They still disagree on one big thing, however. Ed is a huge Potter superfan. Stuart isn’t.  We ask why Ed makes Stuart carry a photo of the Weasley twins in his wallet at all times, which ridiculous purchase Stuart had to talk Ed out of, and why Ed asked Rupert Grint to play him in the music video for 'Lego House'. We’d like to thank HelloFresh, our sponsors for this episode. Go to hellofresh.com/normal14 and use the code normal14 for up to 14 free meals, plus free shipping! Ed’s ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - His Dark Materials series by Phillip Pullman Favourite film - The Harry Potter series Favourite songs - Mama’s Eyes by Justin Townes Ear - Jealous by Labrinth - American Pie by Don McLean Stuart’s ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - Captain Coreli’s Mandolin by Louis de Bernières Favourite film - Alien Favourite song - Bad Habits by Ed Sheeran!  Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @edsheeran We'll see you later this year for the next season! Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood. YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps. Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund and 'Pretty Carolina' by Jontha Links. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
MinaLima

MinaLima

2021-05-1401:07:06

In this episode we chat to graphic design duo MinaLima. Throughout the Harry Potter films, Miraphora Mina and Eduardo Lima worked together to concoct the style at the heart of the films, from the intricately detailed Marauder’s Map, the wonderfully bonkers Daily Prophet and our favourite, the fantastical Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes inventions.   We find out why the first attempt at Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes wasn’t ‘vulgar’ enough, what Mira and Eduardo think about seeing their designs as tattoos and how the duo snuck their names into so many of their Potter designs.   Since the last Potter film came out, MinaLima have been busy designing Diagon Alley at the Universal Orlando Resort and creating the graphic props for Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, as well as for films outside the Potter world including Sweeney Todd and The Golden Compass. They’ve also illustrated a beautiful collection of classic novels for Harper Collins and opened stores in London, Osaka and New York. Find out more at minalima.com   We’re sad to say that this is the last episode of the season, but don’t worry we’ll be back later this year with more wonderful guests! MinaLima’s '3am Questions': Favourite book: Call Me By Your Name by André Aciman (Eduardo); Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell (Mira) Favourite film/TV: Cinema Paradiso (Eduardo) and Mad Men (Mira) Favourite song: Anything by Madonna (Eduardo) and Space Oddity by David Bowie (Mira) Normal not Normal merchandise is now available from https://represent.com/store/normalnotnormal Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @minalima Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood. YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps. Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund and 'Bobby Swing' by The Bladwerk Band Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Hollie Arnold

Hollie Arnold

2021-05-0759:521

In this episode we chat to British Paralympian and self-described javelin queen Hollie Arnold MBE. Hollie, who was born without a right forearm, became a household name in 2016 when she won gold at the Rio Paralympics, smashing the world record in the process. But things haven't always been plain sailing for Hollie. We find out how Hollie coped when her mum was hospitalised with severe depression, why internet trolls turned on her when she shared her 'MBE' title on UK reality TV show 'I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here' and how sibling rivalry got her onto the athletics field in the first place. If you or someone close to you is finding life difficult, don’t suffer in silence. Contact the Suicide Prevention Hotline or The Samaritans for support. Hollie's '3am Questions': Favourite book: Bridget Jones’s Diary by Helen Fielding Favourite film: The Grinch (2000) Favourite song: Rise Up by Andra Day Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @HollieA2012 Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood. YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps. Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund, 'Let Go' by Conditional and 'Bobby Swing' by The Bladwerk Band Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Martin Blencowe

Martin Blencowe

2021-04-3051:25

In this episode we talk to Cameo app co-founder Martin Blencowe. Martin’s story is sure to inspire you, although his journey to success was not smooth. We hear about his struggle with steroids as a teenage athlete in the UK, his pursuit of the American Dream in LA and how the Harry Potter films helped him through his father’s last weeks.  Cameo is an app that allows users to order personalised video messages from their favourite actors, singers and sportspeople. The app’s success did not happen overnight, however. We hear about Martin’s career struggles (he’s a self-confessed failed Olympic athlete, failed sports agent, and failed film producer) and find out why it’s so hard for him to sit back and enjoy his success.  Listen out for behind-the-scenes celebrity stories, and Martin’s favourite Cameo moment. Martin’s ‘3am Questions’:  Favourite book - Lucky Man - Michael J. Fox Favourite song - An Englishman in New York - Sting  Favourite film - The Harry Potter series and Terminator 2  We want to hear from you. If you have a brilliant 'Did You Know?' fact, a question for us, a jingle you’ve written or a voice note you want to share, get in touch. We’ll choose a few messages and include them in the audio version of every podcast. You can tweet us your message using the hashtag #normalnotnormal and #didyouknow or email us at normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com  Remember, if you’re sending us a voice note or jingle and you’re under eighteen, please get permission from a parent or guardian.  Follow us on Twitter:  @OliverPhelps  @James_Phelps  @martinblencowe Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production.  Produced by Alice Homewood.  YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps.  Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund and 'Bobby Swing' by The Bladwerk Band Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nat Tena

Nat Tena

2021-04-2301:03:501

In this episode we talk to our brilliant friend Nat Tena, who you might know better as Nymphadora Tonks. Nat landed her first film role aged sixteen, when she starred alongside Hugh Grant and Nicholas Hoult in About a Boy. Since then she’s been in many of our favourite films and TV shows, from Game of Thrones to The Mandalorian. When she’s not acting she’s singing and playing the accordion in gypsy ska band Molotov Jukebox. We find out how smoking round the back of the bike sheds landed Nat her first film role, why she thought Dumbledore was a country and what bad habit has her scaring fellow hotel guests. In 2020 Nat walked the 720km Camino De Santiago trail with her best friend to raise money for The Orchid Project, an amazing charity that is fighting to put an end to female genital cutting. To support the charity and find out more go to theorchidproject.org Nat’s ‘3am Questions’: Favourite book - The House of the Spirits by Isabel Allende Favourite song - The Tracks of My Tears by Smokey Robinson Favourite film - Strictly Ballroom We want to hear from you. If you have a brilliant 'Did You Know?' fact, a question for us, a jingle you’ve written or a voice note you want to share, get in touch. We’ll choose a few messages and include them in the audio version of every podcast. You can tweet us your message using the hashtag #normalnotnormal and #didyouknow or email us at normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com Remember, if you’re sending us a voice note or jingle and you’re under eighteen, please get permission from a parent or guardian. Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @NatTenaLady Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood. YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps. Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund and 'Bobby Swing' by The Bladwerk Band Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Karamo Brown

Karamo Brown

2021-04-1652:32

In this episode we talk to someone who makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It’s Karamo Brown from Queer Eye! Karamo is the culture expert on the Netflix show Queer Eye, and helps guests tackle emotional issues that have been holding them back, while his co-hosts Bobby, Tan, Jonathan and Antoni make-over the guests’ homes, style and culinary skills. Karamo has a background in social work and moved into the spotlight in 2004 when he took part in MTV reality show The Real World: Philadelphia, becoming the first openly gay black man to be cast on a reality show. We find out how Karamo’s bad school behaviour made him who he is today, why he wants to redefine the term ‘coming out’ and what made him face his fears and stop drawing in his hairline.  We know it can be difficult to be open about your sexuality when your community isn’t accepting of your LGBTQIA+ identity. If you need support, reach out.  Visit stonewall.org.uk or thetrevorproject.org   Karamo’s ‘3am Questions’: Favourite books - The Harry Potter series Favourite song - Let me Cater to You - Destiny’s Child Favourite film - Clueless or Forrest Gump We want to hear from you. If you have a brilliant 'Did You Know?' fact, a question for us, a jingle you’ve written or a voice note you want to share, get in touch. We’ll choose a few messages and include them in the audio version of every podcast. You can tweet us your message using the hashtag #normalnotnormal or email us at normalnotnormalpodcast@gmail.com Remember, if you’re sending us a voice note or jingle and you’re under eighteen, please get permission from a parent or guardian. Follow us on Twitter: @OliverPhelps @James_Phelps @Karamo Normal Not Normal is a Stabl production. Produced by Alice Homewood. YouTube version edited by Oliver and James Phelps. Music: 'Not Normal' by Sebastian Forslund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Brittany Athavichitchanyaraks

pineapple is good on pizza!

May 31st
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nicky southey

I quite agree with Oliver with the car parking bit.

Mar 18th
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nicky southey

my spirit animal is a wolf.

Mar 18th
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Tam Kearney

Hey, guys! I appreciate the warning ahead of Sophie's conversation. Thank you so much. I've never been directly affected by it but my heart goes through the roof for those who have and have been a supporter of R.A.I.N.N. for a couple of decades now. Thank again and keep it up! #NormalNotNormal #NormalNotNormalPodcast #JamesPhelps #OliverPhelps

Mar 3rd
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Nicola Southey

I've got pigeons around where I live and I've put a garden wind mill outside my bedroom window and two or three garden ornaments with sticks like a duck with wings and lady bird but I think the wind mill works the best for them to stay away . don't know about sea gulls I got those too.

May 16th
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Nicola Southey

i'm a first time listener and you both always make me smile whatever you are talking about look forward to the next episode of the podcast. Nicky.

May 1st
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