Think Like a Vegan - The Podcast

In this series, the big theme has been systems with special attention to economics and capitalism. Selling as many different products is one of the principal manifestations of capitalism. And in the context of vegan products - What’s it mean to have more vegan products available to buy? Do more vegan products mean fewer animals are being exploited for their bodies and secretions? Is veganism about products? Is veganism winning? I share my thoughts about this and more in the last episode for this season. Website/Socials http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilialeese/ http://thinklikeavegan.com Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am I" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Sara van Goozen and Josh Milburn are the first to include considering harm to animals in just war theory. Broadly speaking, just war theory looks at whether a war is justified and if so, how that war should be conducted. They authored "Counting Animals in War: First Steps towards an Inclusive Just-War Theory” published in the journal Social Theory and Practice.Sara is a lecturer at the University of York. Her research focuses on topics in contemporary just war theory and global ethics. She’s written about just risk distribution in war, the moral status of animals in war and the distribution of scarce medical resources. Sara is also interested in various other areas in contemporary political theory, such as the literature on political obligation and sovereignty. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms and his first book, Just Fodder: The Ethics of feeding animals, was the subject of an earlier episode of this podcast. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, Twitter http://justice-everywhere.org/author/saravangoozen/ http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter Radio Warn Nerd https://www.patreon.com/radiowarnerd/posts Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn & Sara van Goozen Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am II" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

For his Master Thesis, Tim Reysoo developed the concept of human privilege by extending the notion of social privilege to make sense of the enormous power differential between humans and animals in society. He develops the concept and social category of “species privilege” and “human innocence”. Tim studied Philosophy and International Development Studies at the University of Amsterdam. He conducted his graduate fieldwork in Ghana on the role of social movements in Leaving Fossil Fuels Underground. Tim also has extensive experience running animal rights campaigns, doing vegan street outreach, promoting plant-based policies to the government, and holding public lectures on the issue of animal oppression. Website/Socials https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-reysoo-b57061226/ https://uva.academia.edu/TimReysoo http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Tim Reysoo Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "505 Souji" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Doctor Josh Milburn's book, Just Fodder: The ethics of feeding animals (McGill-Queen's University Press), explores a variety of questions from “Who are we obliged to feed? Who are we permitted to feed? What are we allowed to feed animals? To What is the role of the state in feeding animals? And How might obligations concerning the feeding of animals differ from obligations concerning the feeding of humans and why? These are thought provoking questions and this book really pushed me to consider things in ways I just wasn’t expecting. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, Twitter http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Rinrin" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Joshua Katcher and Tracey Katof are researching the fashion industry as a compelling case-study for the macroeconomic phenomenon of circumfauna, a term Joshua coined. They analyse the social, historical, and environmental influences on the large-scale shift towards intentionally reframing supply chains without animals. Joshua Katcher is a fashion designer, author and educator who has taught at Parsons and has lectured at universities internationally and lobbied in the United States for sustainable and ethical fashion. He’s the author of Fashion Animals, the creator of the men's vegan lifestyle website, The Discerning Brute and founder of the vegan, ethically-made menswear fashion brand, Brave GentleMan. He also co-founded the vegan cheese company RIND. Tracey Katof is a financial analyst and an economics writer and educator. She received her master's in humane education from Valparaiso University and the Institute for Humane Education and later this year will receive a master's of global political economy and finance from the New School for Social Research. Website/Socials The Discerning Brute https://thediscerningbrute.comBrave Gentleman https://www.bravegentleman.com; @brave_gentleman, Instagram RIND vegan cheese https://www.rind.nyc; @rind.cheese, Instagram @joshua_katcher, Instagram Slay (documentary) https://www.slay.film @traceyyona, Instagram http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter Credits Host: Emilia A. LeeseGuest: Tracey Katof and Joshua KatcherProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Yushima" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8gClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Infighting. It’s something people in the veganverse complain about. So what do we mean by infighting? Is it something unique to the vegan and animal rights space? Should we be concerned about it? Does it benefit one group over another? How should we engage with it if at all? And what might be some of its consequences, if any? If this is something you think about or have encountered, you’re not alone. My guest is Dr Corey Lee Wrenn, Lecturer of Sociology and Co-Director of the Centre for the Study of Social and Political Movements at the University of Kent. She has researched and written on factionalism. Website/Socials https://www.coreyleewrenn.com @coreyleewrenn, Instagram and Facebook http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Corey WrennProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.comMusic Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Clouds on the Orongorongos" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com *

Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass are the authors of Half Earth Socialism:A Plan to Save the Future from Extinction, Climate Change and Pandemics (Verso). We talk about their book, the simulation game that goes with their book and why vegans should be socialists and socialists should be vegans. We also talk about Drew's work at mapping methane and other emissions in real time and go really off piste by chatting about my rewilding project in Scotland. Troy is an environmental historian who specialises in environmental economics, animal studies, and energy history. Drew is an environmental engineer working on his PhD at Harvard University. Websites/Socials https://www.half.earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77re-QcqTk http://drewpendergrass.com@pendergrassdrew on Twitter http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter https://birchfieldhighlands.org CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Leaving the SRWG" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Marx, Veganism and Political Solidarity Across Species Where is the political solidarity from those who’ve thought and care about labour and social exploitation? Our guest today is Professor Leigh Claire La Berge. Her forthcoming new book Marx for Cats: A Radical Bestiary (Duke University Press), makes the case for political solidarity across species. As we talk about in our book, Think Like a Vegan, animals’ bodies are both a means of production and a saleable product. They’re bound up in this impossible situation from which escape is seldom possible. And this brutal and unjust exploitation doesn’t stop with them. It permeates every aspect of our existence to our and their detriment. Leigh Claire is a Professor of English at Borough of Manhattan Community College, City University of New York and an Alexander von Humboldt Fellow at the Free University of Berlin. Broadly speaking her work concerns aesthetics and political economy. Website/Socials http://marxforcats.com @marxforcats on Twitter and Instagram https://www.dukeupress.edu/marx-for-cats http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emisgoodeating.com @emisgoodeating or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Leigh Claire La BergeProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Shinka" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8gClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Benny Malone, author of How to Argue with Vegans: An analysis of anti-vegan arguments, talks to us about his top five favourite fallacies. Not the ones we might be familiar with, but those requiring a bit more work and thought. In the second half of the program, I'll share my top three strategies when choosing to engage with others on the topic of veganism.   Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Benny Malone; on Twitter @bennymaloneUK  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Cantina Rag" by Jackson F Smith  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Geertrui Cazaux, author (Een Ander Soort Zuster), blogger and vegan, animal rights and inclusivity activist talks to us about why and how veganism is not an ableist ethical practice. We'll hear about what it means to live as a vegan with a chronic illness and how to centre veganism on solid ethical foundations.   Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Geertrui Cazaux; https://criphumanimal.org; https://brugesvegan.com; https://www.graswortels.org   Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music  Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Chilo Gorge" by Derek Solomon Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

The Center for Contemporary Science works on replacing animal experimentation with more effective methods of research and testing based on human biology. Dr Aysha Akhtar explains how human biology-based methods offer a more effective way to understand the diseases that afflict us, enabling researchers to predict how people may respond to medicines and chemicals with far greater accuracy than animal tests. The outcome of this is better treatments, therapies and cures.    Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Dr Aysha Akhtar; https://contemporarysciences.org  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Nostalgia of an ex-gangsta rapper" by deef  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Using graphic images of animals in activism is almost expected. In this episode, I explore what doing so means in terms of consent, advancing the case for framing the question of use over welfare, and what might be some alternatives.   Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Luangwa Sunrise" by Derek Solomon  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Professor Sherry Colb speaks to us about reconciling the debates over reproductive rights and animal rights -- something that’s rarely discussed together and which was the subject of the book she co-authored with Michael Dorf, Beating Hearts. Professor Colb gives us an overview of the question “Do animal rights activists really care more about the well-being of nonhuman animals than they do about tiny humans?” and the converse question, “Do pro-life activists really care more about a human cell than about the suffering of fully sentient animals whose evolutionary history, brain chemistry, and emotional repertoire closely resemble our own?" Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Prof Sherry Colb; https://verdict.justia.com/author/colb; http://www.dorfonlaw.org; and on Twitter @SherryColb Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Half Life" by Meredith Avila  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Most people never think animals are considered merely property, like your phone or your car. In this episode, Professor Maneesha Deckha will be speaking to us about her book, Animals as Legal Beings: Contesting Antrhopocentric Legal Orders, where she talks about what it would look like to replace the property classification for animals to a new legal status she calls  “beingness”. Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Prof Maneesha Deckha; https://www.uvic.ca/law/facultystaff/facultydirectory/deckha.php Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Mashatu Wetlands" by Derek Solomon  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Animals are classed as property. In an economic context, this means they're viewed as both the product and the machine. How does veganism fit into a leftist political practice? What language should we use? Professor Jason Hannan, editor of Meatsplaining: The Animal Agriculture Industry and the Rhetoric of Denial, talks to us about the rhetoric of animal exploitation.    Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Prof Jason Hannan; https://www.uwinnipeg.ca/rhetoric/faculty/jason-hannan.html; https://www.winnipegvegfest.ca and on Twitter @jasonwhannan  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Algorithms" by Chad Crouch  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

In this episode I talk about what "Veganism is for everyone" means. I break veganism down to its fundamental ethical component, show why it must be part of social justice discussions and demystify what it means to be an activist.    Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Elephant Hour" by Derek Solomon  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

A podcast bringing you thought provoking deep dives across a wide variety of subjects from one of the authors of Think Like a Vegan: What everyone can learn from vegan ethics. Each episode is a mini talk about one topic which might not be the focus of an everyday conversation, including activism, ableism, reproductive rights, animals and the law, alternatives to animal experimentation in medicine and more. These short talks and guests will inspire and educate, expanding the conversation around veganism. And all is premised on veganism being part of basic fairness.  Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions   Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business    Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business