The Fourth Way

Episode Links: Discord Discussion Boardbr A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751 My Book (Free): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1524xtT4iKmqr7pATaKnXTMZlwk_aONXGMy Book (Kindle): https://www.amazon.com/80-Conservative-Evangelicals-Prove-Relativists-ebook/dp/B07RDPW2NZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=j.+g.+elliot&qid=1564647522&s=gateway&sr=8-1Pacifism Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xQaDDKY7kFollowers of the Way: https://www.facebook.com/FollowersoftheWayBoston/?ref=br_rsIntegrity Quote: https://learninginlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/13102829_1201726893232348_849045333103669078_n-770x770.jpgThe Politics of Jesus by John Howard Yoder: https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Jesus-John-Howard-Yoder/dp/0802807348/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=the+politics+of+jesus&qid=1564647725&s=gateway&sr=8-2My Summary of the Politics of Jesus: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/the-politics-of-jesusMASH conundrum clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=rvBS0VqJPXsEvangelism: Doing Justice and Preaching Grace by Harvie Conn: https://www.amazon.com/Evangelism-Doing-Justice-Preaching-Grace/dp/0875522068/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=harvie+conn&qid=1564647790&s=gateway&sr=8-3My website on Pacifism: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifismAmerican National Idolatry: https://www.facebook.com/ILovePortage/photos/a.396450011127660/511348556304471/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The best resource I can currently recommend on this topic is "Jesus the Pacifist" by Matthew Fleischer. The book will be released early next year. It is a fantastic look that digs into Jesus, his actions, his specific teachings, and the implications of all that he did. The book is particularly helpful for the brand of Christians who love to have verse wars and proof-text everything. Since the Bible doesn't specifically lay out all versions of pacifism (though it leans more that way than the way of allowing violence), proof-texting Christians think they can ignore a call to non-violence. Fleischer does a fantastic job of showing us how nonviolence pervades the teaching and revelation of Christ and digs under the surface of the numerous, explicit teachings and actions. Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751Revelation word study on blood: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JCGWqOo71MYmTuvJ354_JRx6FZVpOndj My site listing all the Church Father quotes I could find, focusing mostly on quotes prior to the Edict of Milan: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16bft8PtcyLns1JCrO-QUbBR8QEHOO413The Early Church on Killing (book with pertinent quotations on all violence from before 300 AD, including abortion, capital punishment, warfare, self-defense, etc): https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564648394&s=gateway&sr=8-1Tim Mackie's discussion of God's wrath (transcript): https://thebibleproject.com/podcast/day-lord-question-response/transcript/Tim Mackie's six part series on God's wrath: https://thebibleproject.simplecast.com/episodes/903c95d5-903c95d5Interview with Mackie on God's wrath and nonviolence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWDGYaIjWsMDaniel 7:13-14 and the Son of Man ascending on the clouds and being ascribed divine attributes and position: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A13-14&version=NIV Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751 Support us through Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thefourthwayMy site with quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-4-teaching-of-the-early-church “The Early Church on Killing:" https://www.amazon.com/Early-Church-Killing-Comprehensive-Sourcebook-ebook/dp/B008846P1I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+early+church+on+killing&qid=1564738154&s=gateway&sr=8-1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751 “Men Against Fire”: https://www.amazon.com/Men-Against-Fire-Problem-Command-ebook/dp/B00A8I385I/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=s.l.a.+marshall&qid=1564776265&s=gateway&sr=8-1“On Killing”: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/B0056NVXXO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=on+killing&qid=1564776301&s=gateway&sr=8-3Killing from the Inside Out: Moral Injury and Just War: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Inside-Out-Moral-Injury-ebook/dp/B00NVN93EM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=killing+from+the+inside+out&qid=1568229887&s=gateway&sr=8-1 Is Just War Theory sustainable or idealistic (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/just-how-realistic-is-just-war-theory-the-case-for-christian-rea/10099656 The Sacrifices of War and the Sacrifice of Christ (Hauerwas): https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-sacrifices-of-war-and-the-sacrifice-of-christ/10098368You Say You Want a Revolution: https://web.archive.org/web/20170320235417/http://udquickly.udayton.edu/2012/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/“Why Civil Resistance Works” research: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820 TED Talk discussing the conclusions of "Why Civil Resistance Works”: https://www.scienceofnonviolence.org/The many works of Gene Sharp: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gene+sharp&ref=nb_sb_noss_2Anatomy of a Hybrid (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802816150/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Anatomy of a Hybrid (html and can print as PDF)  if you can’t find on Amazon: https://www.gospeltruth.net/verduin/hybrid.htmDan Carlin’s Hardcore History on torture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRv4NZzBKwHistorical reflections on Human intuition not to kill: https://youtu.be/zViyZGmBhvsDrugs in the Military: https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2011/01/militarys-drug-policy-threatens-troops-health-doctors-say/48321/Broken Warrior Series on Military Health Issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20110818222307/https://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110121_4378.php/Is Nonviolence Naive (Answering Questions Against Nonviolence): https://sojo.net/magazine/july-2018/nonviolence-naive*I have learned a lot about David Grossman since recording this episode. While I don't know that his character necessarily compromises any of the information presented here, I would avoid using him as a resource in the future as that could prove difficult for some to accept. The information in this episode doesn't particularly concern me as I've seen much of the evidence presented from other sources. That being said, you may want to do more research on Grossman and more looking into the information. A fun podcast to listen to about him can be found below, though you should be warned that the language is pretty explicit. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000476406446 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

*Excuse the mispronunciation of "Goethe." I have since been educated more.A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751 Waging Nonviolence: https://wagingnonviolence.org/Amish shooting and forgiveness: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/02/amish-shooting-10-year-anniversary-pennsylvania-the-happeningGood Article on Amish Myths and Lifestyle: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fake-amish-and-the-real-o_b_3617736?guccounter=1Dan Carlin with Ronald Skirth Quote: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/Hannah Arendt on Denmark: https://fee.org/articles/how-denmark-fought-the-nazi-terror/Bulgaria Saved Jews: http://liherald.com/fivetowns/stories/how-tiny-bulgaria-saved-50000-jews-in-world-war-ii,101679Sophie Scholl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_SchollHacksaw Ridge and Desmond Doss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-1hz1juBIEnd of the Spear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeEF_3J0ZY0Pablo Yoder Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOdGENdH1fo&t=1sCity of Refuge Podcast (WWII Stories): https://wagingnonviolence.org/podcast/Victories Without Violence: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0943734061/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1The Plough: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/nonviolenceThe Irresistible Revolution: https://www.amazon.com/Irresistible-Revolution-Updated-Expanded-Ordinary-ebook/dp/B00UF72BAK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+irresistible+revolution&qid=1564925194&s=gateway&sr=8-1More Pacifist Quotes: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/arguments-for-christian-pacifism-8-quotes-to-ponder Book which looks at the evidence that Bonhoeffer did not compromise his nonviolent belief: https://www.amazon.com/Bonhoeffer-Assassin-Challenging-Recovering-Peacemaking/dp/0801039614/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=dan+umbel+bonhoeffer&qid=1575140932&sr=8-1-fkmr1Shell Shock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvTRJZGWqF8&feature=youtu.beWWII Psychosis Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiD6bnqpJDE&feature=youtu.be Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★