What is The Future for Cities?
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WTF for Cities? is a platform to introduce and connect people who are actively and consciously working on the future of cities and to introduce research about the future of cities.
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Are you interested in how to address climate change’s effects in cities? What do you think is the root cause of current problems? How can we implement a simple understanding in our seemingly complex systems? This episode is a panel discussion about climate change vs cities. The panellists, Hudson Worsley, Matt Gijselman and Allan Savory talk about their vision for the future of cities, agriculture, the root causes, urban management, and many more. Hudson Worsley is the co-founder and director of Presync, a certified B Corp sustainability consultancy, and Chair of MECLA, the Materials & Embodied Carbon Leaders' Alliance. He helps organisations transition to a zero-carbon economy and adapt to climate change. Hudson identifies opportunities for energy efficiency, on-site renewables, and renewable power purchase agreements. With Presync's integrated approach and many years of experience, the small, nimble team draws on deep expertise in energy, innovation, property development, emissions reduction, and climate change.Hudson talked about environmental services in episode 280.Matt Gijselman, with over 20 years of experience in public policy and advocacy, is the Director of Infrastructure Policy Advancement for APAC at Bentley Systems. He leads policy initiatives supporting digital transformation in infrastructure, working with stakeholders from government, industry, academia, and media. Matt is a strategic leader with strong communication and project management skills, deeply understanding the APAC policy and regulatory environment. He is dedicated to advancing infrastructure and bringing diverse perspectives to Bentley Systems.Matt talked about blue and green infrastructure in episode 258.Allan Savory, born in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) in 1935 and educated at the University of Natal, started his career as a research biologist and game ranger in Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia). His diverse path included roles as soldier, farmer, rancher, international ecological consultant, and Member of Parliament. Opposing Ian Smith's regime led to his exile to the U.S. in 1979. In 2009, he co-founded the Savory Institute to promote Holistic Management worldwide - outlined in his book Holistic Management: A Commonsense Revolution to Restore Our Environment (2016). He received Australia's 2003 Banksia International Award for global environmental impact. His 2013 TED talk on desertification has millions of views.Allan talked about holistic management in episode 356.Connected episodes you might be interested in:No.257R - Formal Model for Green Urbanism in Smart CitiesNo.279R - How ecosystems services drive urban growth: Integrating nature-based solutionsNo.355R - The foundations of holistic managementNo.399R - 30 Years of Adaptation under the Convention and the Paris AgreementWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in how to address climate change’s effects in cities? What do you think is the root cause of current problems? How can we implement a simple understanding in our seemingly complex systems? Trailer for episode 400 - a panel discussion about climate change vs cities. The panellists, Hudson Worsley, Matt Gijselman and Allan Savory talk about their vision for the future of cities, agriculture, the root causes, urban management, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in how global efforts changed to address climate change in the last 30 years? Debate of the UN report titled 30 years of adaptation under the Convention and the Paris Agreement from 2024, by the United Nations Climate Change Adaptation Committee.This is a great preparation to our next panel conversation with Hudson Worsley, Matt Gijselman and Allan Savory in episode 400 talking about the change and potential additional road needed to be covered by public discourse. Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how the conversations have changed regarding climate change. This report serves as a roadmap to assess collective progress through initiatives.Find the report through this link.Connecting episodes you might be interested in:No.013R - Managing climate change in Australia - A global, long-term viewNo.275R - Trends in research and development for CO2 capture and sequestrationYou can find the transcript through this linkWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also availableI hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning inEpisode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link)Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in how to address climate change’s effects in cities? What do you think is the root cause of current problems? How can we implement a simple understanding in our seemingly complex systems?Trailer for episode 400 - a panel discussion about climate change vs cities. The panellists, Hudson Worsley, Matt Gijselman and Allan Savory talk about their vision for the future of cities, agriculture, the root causes, urban management, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in how to address climate change’s effects in cities? What do you think is the root cause of current problems? How can we implement a simple understanding in our seemingly complex systems? Trailer for episode 400 - a panel discussion about climate change vs cities. The panellists, Hudson Worsley, Matt Gijselman and Allan Savory talk about their vision for the future of cities, agriculture, the root causes, urban management, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
"There is a way to do small-scale experiments-"Are you interested in governance experiments? What do you think about decentralisation efforts? How can we utilise blockchain and crypto to create better governance systems?Interview Bradford Cross, CEO of Alpha City and Managing Partner at Pronomos Capital and Two Lions. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, decentralised governance, difference between governance and governments, government and governance experiments, and many more.Bradford Cross is founder and CEO of Alpha City, a federation of frontier cities in Africa built from first principles to unleash local ambition and global talent. He runs Two Lions, his family office and startup lab, and co-manages Pronomos Capital, backing new jurisdictions and governance models. A two-decade AI veteran, he started CEAI in Central Europe in 2002 and co-founded DCVC, a deep-tech VC managing billions. His earlier ventures span clinical trials, anti-money-laundering, newsfeed AI, flight prediction, cyber insurance and real-estate lending. Dad, gym junkie, sharp dresser, jungle-to-nightclub explorer - and still outlasting his iPhone battery.Find out more about Bradford through these links:Bradford Cross on LinkedInBradford Cross on Substack@bradfordcross as Bradford Cross on X@bradfordmode as Bradford Cross on InstagramAlphaCity on LinkedIn@alphacityinc as AlphaCity on X@alphacityinc as AlphaCity on InstagramPronomos Capital websitePronomos Capital on LinkedIn@PronomosVC as Pronomos Capital on X@pronomosvc as Pronomos Capital on InstagramTwo Lions on LinkedInConnected episodes you might be interested in:No.294 - Interview with Erick A. Brimen about Prospera HondurasNo.380 - Interview with Adam Miller about voting when you wantNo.397R - Urbanisation and entrepreneurship in development: Like a horse and carriage? What was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in governance experiments? What do you think about decentralisation efforts? How can we utilise blockchain and crypto to create better governance systems?Trailer for episode 398 - interview Bradford Cross, CEO of Alpha City and Managing Partner at Pronomos Capital and Two Lions. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, decentralised governance, difference between governance and governments, government and governance experiments, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in how urban evolution and entrepreneurial capitalism is connected? Our debate today works with the book chapter titled Urbanisation and entrepreneurship in development: Like a horse and carriage? from 2018, by Wim Naudé, part of the Smart Futures, Challenges of Urbanisation, and Social Sustainability book, published by Spinger Nature. This is a great preparation to our next interview with Bradford Cross in episode 398 talking about the importance and opportunities of entrepreneurial capitalism. Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how entrepreneurial capitalism is connected to the future of cities. This chapter explores the interdependent relationship between urbanisation and entrepreneurship, suggesting that they act as primary drivers for economic development.Find the article through this link.Connecting episodes you might be interested in:No.347R - The economy forward framework: How midsized cities can achieve inclusive growth in the knowledge economyNo.380 - Interview with Adam Miller about urban economicsYou can find the transcript through this linkWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also availableI hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning inEpisode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link)Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in governance experiments? What do you think about decentralisation efforts? How can we utilise blockchain and crypto to create better governance systems?Trailer for episode 398 - interview Bradford Cross, CEO of Alpha City and Managing Partner at Pronomos Capital and Two Lions. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, decentralised governance, difference between governance and governments, government and governance experiments, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in governance experiments? What do you think about decentralisation efforts? How can we utilise blockchain and crypto to create better governance systems?Trailer for episode 398 - interview Bradford Cross, CEO of Alpha City and Managing Partner at Pronomos Capital and Two Lions. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, decentralised governance, difference between governance and governments, government and governance experiments, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
"To build more complex models we need all those professions that have something to do with cities and collaborative."Are you interested in cities without cars? What do you think about redefining transport as moving AND staying? How can we improve our public spaces? Interview with Lior Steinberg, urban planner and co-founder of Humankind. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, active transportation, car-free cities, public spaces, good urban examples, and many more. Lior Steinberg is an urban planner and co-founder of Humankind, a multidisciplinary collective accelerating the transition towards urban happiness for all. He helps cities to look beyond functionality and to plan urban spaces that make people smile. All the projects Lior participates in have one thing in common: they create people-oriented cities. Being a Jane Jacobs’ enthusiast and a fan of great public spaces, he is keen on making cities better with an emphasis on local, innovative interventions and on including residents in urban planning.Learn more about Lior through these links:Lior Steinberg on LinkedInLior Steinberg websiteHumankind websiteHumankind on LinkedIn@humankindcity as Humankind on InstagramLior Steinberg at Urban FuturesConnecting episodes you might be interested in:No.340 - Interview with Aaron Stupple and Logan Chipkin about the city as a learning machine for kidsNo.368 - Interview with Josh Rands about urban transport modellingNo.395R - Car free cities: Pathway to healthy urban livingWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in cities without cars? What do you think about redefining transport as moving AND staying? How can we improve our public spaces? Trailer for episode 396 - interview with Lior Steinberg, urban planner and co-founder of Humankind. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, active transportation, car-free cities, public spaces, good urban examples, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in car free cities? Debate of the article titled Car free cities: Pathway to healthy urban living from 2016, by Mark J. Nieuwenhuijsen and Haneen Khreis, published in the Environment International journal.This is a great preparation to our next interview with Lior Steinberg in episode 396 talking about the idea of a car free city. Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to investigate our urban environments without cars. This article examines the global transition of urban centres toward private car-free models to improve environmental and public health outcomes.Find the article through this link.Connected episodes you might be interested in:No.325R - Economic and social impacts of public transport investments: A scoping literature reviewNo.326I - Interview with Sarah Bridges about the importance of public transportYou can find the transcript through this linkWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also availableI hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning inEpisode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link)Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in cities without cars? What do you think about redefining transport as moving AND staying? How can we improve our public spaces? Trailer for episode 396 - interview with Lior Steinberg, urban planner and co-founder of Humankind. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, active transportation, car-free cities, public spaces, good urban examples, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in cities without cars? What do you think about redefining transport as moving AND staying? How can we improve our public spaces? Trailer for episode 396 - interview with Lior Steinberg, urban planner and co-founder of Humankind. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, active transportation, car-free cities, public spaces, good urban examples, and many more.Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
"Responsible governance requires you to make decisions that have a long term input - a long term positive impact."Are you interested in the governments’ role for the future of cities? What do you think about urban retrofitting? How can we encourage our politicians to think long term? Interview with Harriet Shing, MP for the Eastern Victoria Region. Minister for Housing and Building, Precincts and Development Victoria, and Suburban Rail Loop. We will talk about her vision for the future of cities, the government’s role, liveability, urban retrofit, and many more. The Hon. Harriet Shing MP has served as a Labor Member for Eastern Victoria since 2014. She has been a Minister in the Labor Government since 2022, and in December 2024 she was appointed Minister for the Suburban Rail Loop, Minister for Housing and Building and Minister for Development Victoria and Precincts. Before her election to the Victorian Upper House, Harriet worked as a lawyer. An accomplished negotiator and advocate, she has extensive experience in industrial relations, employment and discrimination law, and dispute resolution at State and Federal levels. Harriet has worked as a senior policy adviser, lawyer, and industrial relations specialist in the Victorian private, public, and not-for-profit sectors. She has also served as a trustee director on the board of industry superannuation fund Vision Super. As Member for Eastern Victoria Region, Harriet is focused on identifying and enhancing opportunities across the entire region to ensure that local communities thrive.Find out more about Harriet through these links:Harriet Shing websiteHarriet Shing on LinkedIn@ShingvWorld as Harriet Shing on X@harrietshingmlc as Harriet Shing on InstagramHarriet Shing at the Parliament of VictoriaConnecting episodes you might be interested in:No.294 - Interview with Erick A. Brimen about governance experimentsNo.370 - Interview with Vít Jedlicka about new forms of governmentsNo.378 - Interview with Remco Deelstra about the government's role in establishing the future of citiesNo.393R - The economics of adaptive reuse - Comparative cost analysis of revitalization vs demolition and reconstruction at Radex Park MarywilskaWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also available.I hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning in.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in the governments’ role for the future of cities? What do you think about urban retrofitting? How can we encourage our politicians to think long term? Trailer for episode 394 - interview with Harriet Shing, MP for the Eastern Victoria Region. Minister for Housing and Building, Precincts and Development Victoria, and Suburban Rail Loop. We will talk about her vision for the future of cities, the government’s role, liveability, urban retrofit, and many more. Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in the comparison of urban development and retrofit? Our debate today works with the article titled The economics of adaptive reuse – Comparative cost analysis of revitalization vs demolition and construction at Radex Park Marywilska from 2025, by Janusz Sobieraj, Marcos Fernandez, and Dominik Metelski, published in MDPI Buildings journal.This is a great preparation to our next interview with Harriet Shing in episode 394 talking about the government’s perspective on urban retrofit vs new development.Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see a comparison of adaptive reuse and demolition and development. This article proposes adaptive reuse as the optimal strategy for sustainable urban development, reinforcing the importance of preserving existing structures and integrating circular economy principles.Find the article through this linkAbstract: The revitalization of post-industrial areas has emerged as a critical strategy for sustainable urban development, achieving a balance between economic, social, and environmental priorities. This study assesses the transformative capacity of revitalization strategies by conducting a comprehensive case analysis of “Radex Park Marywilska” in Warsaw, Poland. The analysis quantifies the benefits of revitalization in comparison to demolition and new construction methodologies. An examination of the revitalization initiative demonstrates that it yielded a total of PLN 41.15 million in benefits, with PLN 28.13 million attributed to direct cost savings and another PLN 13.02 million resulting from environmental improvements. In practical terms, this equates to a return of PLN 1.93 for every PLN 1 invested—a notably efficient outcome. The project transformed four industrial buildings, significantly increasing usable space in some (e.g., Building L1 by 345% and K1 by 21.6%) while slightly reducing it in others (B1 by 4.7% and I1 by 10.5%). From an environmental impact perspective, the success was staggering: 48,217 tons of carbon dioxide emissions were prevented, and 72,315 tons of building waste were diverted from landfills. To these figures, the study further adds a return in economic activity, the generation of new jobs, and improvement in local infrastructure. The retrofitting of historical buildings to contemporary standards has encountered numerous challenges; nonetheless, the implementation of circular economy principles has succeeded in negating such challenges. Generally, the results show economic, environmental, and social benefits of revitalization projects compared to new, greenfield projects. The case study provides valuable lessons to policymakers and urban planners, rendering adaptive reuse a fundamental approach in achieving sustainable urban developmentConnecting episodes you might be interested in:No.191R - Decision-making approach to urban energy retrofit – A comprehensive reviewNo.300 - Panel discussion on retrofitting the urban fabric for food productionYou can find the transcript through this linkWhat was the most interesting part for you? What questions did arise for you? Let me know on Twitter @WTF4Cities or on the wtf4cities.com website where the shownotes are also availableI hope this was an interesting episode for you and thanks for tuning inEpisode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link)Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in the governments’ role for the future of cities? What do you think about urban retrofitting? How can we encourage our politicians to think long term? Trailer for episode 394 - interview with Harriet Shing, MP for the Eastern Victoria Region. Minister for Housing and Building, Precincts and Development Victoria, and Suburban Rail Loop. We will talk about her vision for the future of cities, the government’s role, liveability, urban retrofit, and many more. Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
Are you interested in the governments’ role for the future of cities? What do you think about urban retrofitting? How can we encourage our politicians to think long term? Trailer for episode 394 - interview with Harriet Shing, MP for the Eastern Victoria Region. Minister for Housing and Building, Precincts and Development Victoria, and Suburban Rail Loop. We will talk about her vision for the future of cities, the government’s role, liveability, urban retrofit, and many more. Find out more in the episode.Episode generated with Descript assistance (affiliate link).Music by Lesfm from Pixabay
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