(A)Theist Podcast

Reverend Dr. Nichole Torbitzky is an assistant professor of religion and University Chaplain at Lindenwood University in St. Charles, Missouri. In April 2024, Dr. Torbitzky co-edited Preaching the Uncontrolling Love of God: Sermons, Essays, and Worship Elements from the Perspective of Open, Relational, and Process Theology. Among her co-editors is Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, whom we met in Episode 32! Dr. Torbitzky’s current research investigates “Whiteheadian notions of subjective form and the internal relations subjective form has on the order of eternal objects in the primordial nature of God.” If you’re struggling to understand that sentence, you’re not alone! You’ll hear Kelley and Erin try to figure it out in this episode! In this episode, Dr. Torbitzky touches on sensitive topics like White Christian Nationalism, feminism in religion, education in a very polarized political climate, and much, much more. She’s brilliant (and we are absolutely planning on having regular visits with her)! After the episode, check out Dr. Torbitzky’s book HERE! – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on our socials… Instagram: @stlpodcasts Facebook: The Atheist Podcast (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.  Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.

Felicia Murrell is a spiritual companion, life coach, and author. In February 2024, she published And: The Restorative Power of Love in an Either/Or World. Felicia brings the wisdom of her book to the (A)Theist Podcast by asking a simple but powerful question: Since most of us respond to the normal cares and concerns of daily life through frustration or anger, what would happen if we instead responded with deep, affirming love? Felicia titles her book with the conjunction and. The idea resonates deeply with Kelley and Erin, as all three embrace the beauty of humanity, seek connections, and foster inclusion of more than one perspective or way of being. After the episode, be sure to check out more of Felicia's work at https://feliciamurrell.com. – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at http://www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on Instagram! (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

Cathleen Falsani is an award winning journalist and author. Writing at the intersection of religion, spirituality, faith and culture, Cathleen is the author of several books including The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People, The Dude Abides: The Gospel According to the Cohen Brothers, and Belieber!: Fame, Faith and the Heart of Justin Bieber. Cathleen has also worked as both a reporter and columnist for the Chicago Sun Time, Chicago Tribune, and Sojourners magazine. Cathleen spends her time on (A)Theist reflecting on famous interviews she’s done over the years, namely interviews in which she gets individuals like Barack Obama, Bono, Hugh Hefner, and Anne Rice. After the episode, be sure to check out Cathleen’s latest writings on your Substack: www.cathleenfalsani.com – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at http://www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on our socials: Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/stlpodcasts Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Atheist-Podcast/61563145584140/ (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.  Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.

We've already learned about faith deconstruction - a process in which a person steps away from the religious context in which they were raised, questions the doctrines, and arrives at new conclusions about their beliefs. (Ep. 32) In this episode, Kelley and Erin meet Chelsea, someone who went through her own deconstruction and has since developed a faith that is non-traditional, progressive, and very rooted in both classical religious practice and anthropological human community building.  Chelsea Kim Long is a lay theologian, Cyristian mystic, meditation teacher, and a neighborhood faith practitioner.  Above all, she identifies as a mother. In this conversation, she openly discusses her own spiritual journey, the impact that motherhood had on her deconstruction, the impact of politics on the female body, and the benefits of practicing her faith in an intentionally small group. Chelsea writes at the intersection of faith deconstruction, the political and theological implications of living in a female body, and the impossible demands on modern American mothers. Be sure to examine her blog at www.chelseakimlong.com!  SIDE NOTE: The community-based church that Chelsea describes sounds a lot like the home church described by Linda Pieczynski in Episode 19 (Women in the Church Part 2). – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on our socials…Instagram: @stlpodcasts Facebook: The Atheist Podcast (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.  Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.

Erin and Kelley discuss Stillness is the Key by Ryan Holiday. This New York Times Bestseller from 2019 explores Stoic and Buddhist philosophy, arguing that slowing down is actually the key to success. Holiday draws from Confucius, Seneca, Marcus Aurellius, John Stuart Mill, Nietzsche, and many others to identify the approach that’s allowed some of the most famous people in modern history to succeed despite intense pressures. Erin also takes this opportunity to teach us about some of her own philosophical beliefs, namely that of stoicism. Originating in Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, the philosophy is that the path to a well-lived life is through practicing four virtues: wisdom, courage, moderation, and justice. In short: that developing self-control allows one to overcome destructive emotions and allows the thinker to understand the world around them with rationality, clarity, and calm. Ryan Holiday has an elaborate YouTube channel that’s great for YouTube’s primary audience: teenagers. Kelley and Erin argue that teaching stoicism to young people may be hugely beneficial to their mental and physical well-being in the modern age. Check it out HERE!  You can also find Holiday’s website HERE. *Correction: Just after 19 minutes, you’ll hear Kelley state that she thinks “when I say life is senseless.” She meant to say “when I say death is senseless” as a follow up to her statement on death about a minute earlier. – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on our socials…Instagram: @stlpodcasts Facebook: The Atheist PodcastYouTube: @AthiestPodcastSTL

What connections are drawn between Alcoholics Anonymous (Episode 31), Open & Relational Theology (Episode 32), and Mimetic Theory (Episode 33)? Believe it or not, quite a bit! Meet Rich and Jim - two individuals who met decades ago through 12 Step work in Alcoholics Anonymous. These gentlemen have focused heavily on using contemplative practice to work through the 11th Step of AA. Commonly thought of as meditation, this practice offers a way of “centering” one’s thoughts and emotions on a regular basis. When applied in a religious context, this is frequently known as centering prayer, allowing God to enter one’s thoughts. In other words, consenting to God’s love. Others - like Erin - take it from a more atheistic approach as a restorative personal practice, sometimes thought of as an inward journey. Atheist, theist, or somewhere in between, contemplative practice has brought tremendous growth and comfort to thousands of individuals! After the episode, be sure to check out Contemplative Outreach at www.centeringprayerstl.org. We also have a bunch of other contemplative practice links to check out on our website: www.atheistpodcast.com/episodes/34. – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on Instagram: @stlpodcasts (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

Dr. Jonathan Foster joins the (A)Theist Podcast to help hosts Kelley and Erin learn about Mimetic Theory, an explanation made by philosopher René Girard. Mimetic theory posits that human behavior and culture are driven by desire, and that desire itself is driven my what we see in others and wish to imitate (or "mimic"). Dr. Foster's research falls at the intersection of Mimetic Theory, Open and Relational Theology (Episode #32), Grief (Episodes 9, 10, and 11), and Love as an expression of consent. He starts with a big question: Why did Jesus have to die? Be sure to check out Dr. Foster’s website: https://www.jonathanfosteronline.com/ He also has an awesome podcast that you can find here:  https://open.spotify.com/show/4Te7QTWl4WP6IMVi86T3pB?si=4fd7ed8b66ce4576 And you can find indigo: the color of grief and his other books on Amazon! – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on our socials: Instagram: @stlpodcasts Facebook: The Atheist Podcast (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.

**HEADS UP!** We recorded this interview with Thomas Jay Oord several weeks before releasing it. You'll hear references to a trial in which members of the Church of the Nazarene have charged Dr. Oord with promoting doctrines out of harmony with the doctrinal statements of the Church. This accusation and trial are the result of Dr. Oord's continued affirmation of LGBTQ+ individuals. This trial occurred on July 25th. On July 31st, Dr. Oord will be sharing the results via a livestream with other theologians. If you'd like to learn more or join the livestream, you can find information on Instagram at www.instagram.com/thomasjayoord and register on Homebrewed Christianity's website HERE. ******** Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian well known for his scholarly work researching love, open theism, process theism, the relationship between religion and science, and most relevant to this episode: Open and Relational Theology. This concept posits that God gives and receives in relation to creation. In other words, that God is a powerful force, but not necessarily all-powerful in the way many religions claim. Open and Relational Theologists come from many different religions and denominations - Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Spiritual but not Religious, and many more. It’s a fascinating cross-section of religious scholars! Thomas Jay Oord has published many books and is a prolific blogger. Be sure to check out his work here:  www.thomasjayoord.com. You should also check out www.c4ort.com for more information about Open and Relational Theology. – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on Instagram: @stlpodcasts (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

Alcoholics Anonymous is a well-known fellowship of people dedicated to the abstinence-based recovery from alcohol addiction. While the 12 Step program is deeply based in spirituality, the organization is non-denominational and open to anyone regardless of faith.  Erin and Kelley invite David to the show to discuss his experience working the 12 steps, even as someone who has a complicated history with traditional Christian theology. David articulates the idea that AA has essentially taken the very best of all religions, neutralized the organized religion part, and given people the ability to create their own form of higher power.  For many, this process has led to lifelong recovery from an otherwise debilitating disease. If you’d like to read more about Alcoholics Anonymous, please visit www.aa.org. For those of you in the St. Louis area, you can find local meetings at www.aastl.org.  ALSO - Kelley and David discuss the play Octet during the episode. You can learn more about it here: www.octetmusical.com.  Links to other references made in the show can be found at www.atheistpodcast.com/episodes/31. – – –  We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com. Be sure to check us out at www.atheistpodcast.com and follow us on Instagram: @stlpodcasts (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

You hear Kelley talk about the “7’s” all the time on the show. What does that mean?  To celebrate ONE YEAR of (A)Theist episodes, Erin and Kelley put together this explainer on the ENNEAGRAM.  What is the enneagram? It’s a system of personality archetypes that when explored give insights into our own fixated patterns and a pathway towards softening and growth. Kelley walks us through and gives us a toe dip into this fascinating system.  For more information and to take the Enneagram test to discover your type we suggest visiting https://www.enneagraminstitute.com.  Production Note: If you want a visual of the Enneagram chart, visit www.atheistpodcast.com/episodes/30. You can listen to the episode and follow along on the pictures we have posted there! – We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com or on Instagram on @stlpodcasts!  (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

Dr. Jonathan Haidt, author of The Righteous Mind (2012) and The Coddling of the American Mind (2018) is frequently mentioned on the show. His newest book, published in 2024, is The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. Kelley and Erin dive into Haidt's new research where he makes the case that the rise of smartphones and overprotective parenting have led to an epidemic of mental illness in kids. After listening to the episode, be sure to check out more about Dr. Haidt's research (as well as his own podcast) at www.jonathanhaidt.com. --- We welcome your feedback, show suggestions, and questions! Find us at www.atheistpodcast.com or email us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com! (A)Theist is produced by Trend Media STL. Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domni Beats.

Erin and Kelley continue the three-part series on “Witches” (women in healing roles) by talking with Katie Wedding.  Katie is a certified Grief Educator and Medium. In this episode, Katie goes into great detail about her journey to become a Medium, how she conducts her practice, and how her work provides a valuable service to those in need.  After listening to this episode, be sure to check out Katie’s website at www.katiewedding.com. Note: Katie frequently works with Amy Rush, whom we met in Episode 27. Several portions of this episode refer back to that episode, so you’ll want to listen to Amy’s interview as well! We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com or on Instagram on @stlpodcasts!  (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

Our “Witches” series is focusing on women who heal, often in what may be considered ‘non-traditional’ ways. The concept of ‘death’ brings up strong emotions, but did you know there’s a group of legitimate healers who can guide individuals and their families through the grief and dying process?  For Part 2, Erin and Kelley meet Amy Rush, a certified Medium and Death Doula. Is a medium what you think it is? What’s a death doula? This is a truly FASCINATING episode!  After the episode, check out Amy’s website at www.inspireddying.com. We welcome your feedback, show suggestions and questions!  Contact us at atheist@stlpodcasts.com or on Instagram on @stlpodcasts!  (A)theist is produced by Trend Media Productions.   Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats

The term “witch” has deep historical connotations. In most cases, the term was used to vilify a woman who had some gift or talent for healing others. As humanity evolved, the term was further weaponized in ways that hurt and killed women. In this three (or more) part series, Erin and Kelley CELEBRATE three separate women who are all healers in one way or another.  In this episode, meet Dr. Lauren Sucher-O’Grady - a brilliant emergency physician and history buff. Dr. Sucher-O’Grady is a descendant of a woman accused of witchcraft in Pennsylvania during the same period as the Salem Witch Trials.  (She also happens to be Erin’s wife!) (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.  Comments, questions, topic suggestions, or anything else you want to say can be sent to atheist@stlpodcasts.com.  Follow (A)Theist on Instagram: @stlpodcasts. Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.

In the final part of the “How to Know a Person” series, Erin & Kelley (and their producer Justin) play a game designed to build powerful relationships.  Note that these three people have been close friends for well over a decade, but you’ll STILL hear them learning more about each other and strengthening their friendship! The game is called “Where Should We Begin: A Game of Stories” by Esther Perel.  Check it out here: https://game.estherperel.com/. At one point in the episode, Justin mentions a NYTimes editorial called “The 36 Questions that Lead to Love” which you can find here: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/style/no-37-big-wedding-or-small.html.  Don’t have a subscription? You can find the same questions here. (A)theist is produced by Trend Media STL.  Comments, questions, topic suggestions, or anything else you want to say can be sent to atheist@stlpodcasts.com.  Follow (A)Theist on Instagram: @stlpodcasts. Musical credit: "Better" Anno Domini Beats.