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Vanessa Spina is a Sports Nutrition Specialist, Best Selling author, creator of the innovative TONE device, as well as a sought after international speaker. On the Optimal Protein podcast, Vanessa shares how to get effortlessly lean and improve metabolic health and fitness with an optimal protein intake!

Featuring interviews with world renowned and leading edge protein scientists & experts, authors, and people with inspiring transformational stories discussing the best tools for becoming optimizing your metabolic health with whole foods, nutrition, exercise and more!
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This episode featured Dr. Dom D'Agostino- the world's pre-eminent ketone scientist! We discuss the concept of a PSMKD (Protein Sparing Modified Ketogenic Diet) to Optimize Protein Intake for Fat Loss & Protecting Muscle While Gaining the Benefits of Ketosis, Measuring Breath Acetone & More! His thoughts on breath acetone to monitor fat loss, having a glucose to breath acetone index, why having high BHB may not be optimal for health under certain scenarios, and much more!! Dr. Dominic D'Agostino is a Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida and Research Scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC).  His laboratory develops and tests metabolic-based strategies for neurological disorders, cancer, and for enhancing safety and resilience of military personnel in extreme environments.  His research is supported by the Office of Naval Research (ONR), Department of Defense (DoD), private organizations and foundations. For more from Dr. D'Agostino, visit https://ketonutrition.org/ Some of the studies mentioned in this episode:  Measuring breath acetone for monitoring fat loss Study with measuring Acetone & Latency to Seizure George Cahill fasting study & what initiates ketosis. Ketones as a super fuel  Virta study long term BHB levels FAQ on the Acetone, Ketones & The Tone  Introducing the brand new TONE Device! Struggling to lose weight or reach your fitness goals? The TONE is a new breath acetone meter which lets you know if your body is burning fat!  All TONE devices are NOW SHIPPING Worldwide!! Order the TONE here. Now shipping worldwide!!  Order the Black & Gold TONE HERE Order the Black & Rose Gold TONE HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the facebook group for the podcast: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2017506024952802/ Follow Vanessa on instagram to see her meals, recipes, informative posts and much more! Click here @ketogenicgirl - Prior to beginning a ketogenic diet you should undergo a health screening with your physician to confirm that a ketogenic diet is suitable for you and to rule out any conditions and contraindications that may pose risks or are incompatible with a ketogenic diet, including by way of example: conditions affecting the kidneys, liver or pancreas; muscular dystrophy; pregnancy; breast-feeding; being underweight; eating disorders; any health condition that requires a special diet [other conditions or contraindications]; hypoglycemia; or type 1 diabetes. A ketogenic diet may or may not be appropriate if you have type 2 diabetes, so you must consult with your physician if you have this condition. Anyone under the age of 18 should consult with their physician and their parents or legal guardian before beginning such a diet. Use of Ketogenic Girl videos are subject to the Ketogenicgirl.com Terms of Use and Medical Disclaimer. All rights reserved. If you do not agree with these terms, do not listen to, or view any Ketogenic Girl podcasts or videos.
This episode is featuring Dr. Dom D'Agostino- the world's pre-eminent ketone scientist! We discuss using breath acetone to monitor fat loss, understanding how to measure various ketones, fasting and ketosis, acetone's powerful effects on latency to seizure, acetone to BHB ratios and what determines the ratio of BHB to acetoacetate, why having high BHB may not be optimal for health under certain scenarios, and much more!! Dr. Dominic D'Agostino is a Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida and Research Scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC).  His laboratory develops and tests metabolic-based strategies for neurological disorders, cancer, and for enhancing safety and resilience of military personnel in extreme environments.  His research is supported by the Office of Naval Research (ONR), Department of Defense (DoD), private organizations and foundations. For more from Dr. D'Agostino, visit https://ketonutrition.org/ Some of the studies mentioned in this episode:  Measuring breath acetone for monitoring fat loss Study with measuring Acetone & Latency to Seizure George Cahill fasting study & what initiates ketosis. Ketones as a super fuel  Virta study long term BHB levels FAQ on the Acetone, Ketones & The Tone  Introducing the brand new TONE Device! Struggling to lose weight or reach your fitness goals? The TONE is a new breath acetone meter which lets you know if your body is burning fat!  All TONE devices are NOW SHIPPING Worldwide!! Order the TONE here. Now shipping worldwide!!  Order the Black & Gold TONE HERE Order the Black & Rose Gold TONE HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the facebook group for the podcast: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2017506024952802/ Follow Vanessa on instagram to see her meals, recipes, informative posts and much more! Click here @ketogenicgirl - Prior to beginning a ketogenic diet you should undergo a health screening with your physician to confirm that a ketogenic diet is suitable for you and to rule out any conditions and contraindications that may pose risks or are incompatible with a ketogenic diet, including by way of example: conditions affecting the kidneys, liver or pancreas; muscular dystrophy; pregnancy; breast-feeding; being underweight; eating disorders; any health condition that requires a special diet [other conditions or contraindications]; hypoglycemia; or type 1 diabetes. A ketogenic diet may or may not be appropriate if you have type 2 diabetes, so you must consult with your physician if you have this condition. Anyone under the age of 18 should consult with their physician and their parents or legal guardian before beginning such a diet. Use of Ketogenic Girl videos are subject to the Ketogenicgirl.com Terms of Use and Medical Disclaimer. All rights reserved. If you do not agree with these terms, do not listen to, or view any Ketogenic Girl podcasts or videos.
In this episode, Vanessa is joined by Dr. Jason Fung, author of The Hunger Code, to unpack the hormonal science behind fat loss — and how fasting may be entering a new era. They start with the three types of hunger and why obesity is not simply about willpower, but disrupted hormonal signaling. We break down insulin's role in fat storage, obesity, and how ultra-processed foods blunt satiety hormones. Vanessa and Dr. Fung also discuss how protein, fiber, and fat affect hunger very differently than refined carbohydrates — and why a calorie is not metabolically neutral. Then they shift to fasting. Dr. Fung shares his current protocols and comments on emerging research supporting Protein-Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) as a more practical, muscle-conscious alternative to prolonged water fasting. They cover: • PSMF vs water fasting • Protecting lean mass during fat loss • GLP-1 medications — risks and unintended consequences • Appetite suppression vs true metabolic health • Fat loss considerations for women in peri- and post-menopause This conversation challenges the idea that all fasting approaches are created equal — and reframes modern fat loss through a hormonal lens. Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa Protein-Sparing Modified Fasting Library (Coming Soon) Vanessa shares her behind-the-scenes system built from the approach she used to lose 14+ lbs of body fat while preserving lean mass. Join the waitlist: Sign up HERE to be the first to know when it has been released! 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
What do elite athletes do differently when it comes to fat loss? In this episode, Vanessa breaks down the most surprising takeaways from her conversation with sports dietitian Emily Mitchell, who has worked with professional teams including UCLA Athletics, the LA Galaxy, the Clippers, and the Buccaneers. While many people think getting lean requires constant dieting, eliminating carbohydrates, and pushing through hunger, elite athletes often take a completely different approach. Vanessa explores six of the most powerful fat loss strategies used by elite performers — including why many athletes don't diet during their competitive season, why protein intake is far higher than most people realize, and how strategic carbohydrate timing can actually support fat loss and performance. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code In This Episode: • The surprising reason many elite athletes don't diet during their competitive season • The protein strategy athletes rely on to stay lean while preserving muscle • How athletes use carbohydrate timing in a way most people never consider • The unexpected truth about how big a calorie deficit really needs to be • One simple nutrition shift athletes use to stay full and avoid cravings • The metric elite athletes track that matters far more than the number on the scale NEW! Vanessa's structured PSMF Library. Sign up HERE to be the first to know when the new PSMF Library has been released and receive the special LAUNCH DISCOUNT! BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
What do elite athletes do differently when it comes to fat loss and body composition? In this episode, Vanessa sits down with Emily Mitchell, RD, CSSD, CDCES — former Director of Sports Nutrition at UCLA Athletics, Sports Performance Dietitian for the LA Galaxy, and current Registered Dietitian at Love.Life — to unpack the real nutrition strategies used at the highest levels of sport. You'll learn: The core principles elite athletes use to stay lean while maximizing performance How protein intake supports fat loss and lean muscle retention Why recovery nutrition is a hidden driver of metabolic efficiency How to structure nutrition for sustainable body recomposition The mindset shift from restriction to strategic fueling How to optimize nutrition through fertility, pregnancy, perimenopause, and postmenopause Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa You'll learn how protein, recovery, and strategic fueling drive fat loss while preserving lean muscle — and how to apply these same principles to fertility, pregnancy, perimenopause, and postmenopause. Protein-Sparing Modified Fasting Library (Coming Soon) Vanessa shares her behind-the-scenes system built from the approach she used to lose 14+ lbs of body fat while preserving lean mass. Join the waitlist: Sign up HERE to be the first to know when it has been released! 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Is fasted cardio really better for fat loss? Or could eating protein before your workout actually improve fat burning, muscle retention, and long-term metabolic health — especially for women? In this deep-dive masterclass recap, Vanessa breaks down the science from her interview with exercise physiologist Dr. Katie Hirsch and unpacks the research on: Fasted vs fed training Essential amino acids before HIIT Muscle quality vs muscle size Intramuscular fat and metabolic dysfunction Perimenopause and anabolic resistance Protein timing for body recomposition This episode reframes the fat loss conversation away from "burning fat during workouts" and toward what truly matters: Preserving muscle, improving protein turnover, and protecting metabolic capacity. NEW! Vanessa's structured PSMF Library. Sign up HERE to be the first to know when the new PSMF Library has been released! BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
Fasted training is one of the most persistent fat-loss myths—and in this episode, Dr. Katie Hirsch breaks down what actually matters for women: training quality, muscle preservation, and metabolic health. We unpack why "burning more fat during a workout" is often the wrong target, and how a small amount of protein (or EAAs) before training can change perceived exertion, improve workout output, and potentially increase post-workout energy expenditure—especially in women who are prone to under-fueling. We also dive into muscle quality (not just muscle size), why it matters for insulin sensitivity and body composition, and what changes in peri/post-menopause can mean for amino acid delivery to muscle—and how to train and eat to stay lean, strong, and metabolically resilient. Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa Episode Topics Covered Fasted vs. fed training for fat loss Protein vs. carbs pre-workout Energy availability and women's physiology Essential amino acids + HIIT Muscle turnover, energy expenditure, and fat oxidation Protein timing, dosing, and distribution Muscle quality (echo intensity), intramuscular fat, and metabolic health Adiposity spillover, visceral fat, and muscle infiltration Perimenopause/postmenopause, estrogen, vascular function, and anabolic resistance Simple strategies for sustainable body recomposition Dr. Katie Hirsch is an exercise physiologist and sports nutrition researcher focused on protein metabolism, body composition, energy expenditure, HIIT, muscle quality, and female-specific physiology, including changes across perimenopause and postmenopause. (As mentioned in the episode: she's wrapping up publications on improved methods to characterize hormone profiles and exploring new ways to use bioelectrical impedance outcomes like phase angle to better capture muscle quality and related physiology.) Protein-Sparing Modified Fasting Library (Coming Soon) Vanessa shares her behind-the-scenes system built from the approach she used to lose 14+ lbs of body fat while preserving lean mass. Join the waitlist: Sign up HERE to be the first to know when it has been released! 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Is fasting really the best way to lose fat — or is there a smarter, more strategic approach? In this masterclass episode, Vanessa introduces a powerful new concept: Protein Fasting — a structured approach using PSMF (Protein-Sparing Modified Fast) days to optimize fat loss, suppress appetite naturally, protect muscle, and potentially tap into fasting-like cellular signaling. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code You'll learn: • Why alternate day fasting isn't superior for fat loss • How ketones directly suppress hunger hormones • Why protein is the most powerful appetite-regulating macronutrient • The optimal protein intake range for protecting muscle during fat loss • What a new human autophagy study actually reveals • Why 1–3 strategic PSMF days per week may outperform traditional fasting If you've ever struggled with hunger while dieting — this episode will change how you think about strategenic fat loss periods without dealing with hunger adn cravings. This episode also serves as a scientific primer for Vanessa's structured PSMF Library. Sign up HERE to be the first to know when the new PSMF Library has been released! BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes. As always: prioritize protein. 📚 SCIENTIFIC REFERENCES Trepanowski JF, et al. (2017). Effect of Alternate-Day Fasting vs Daily Calorie Restriction on Weight Loss and Cardioprotection. JAMA Internal Medicine. Stubbs BJ, et al. (2018). On the metabolism of exogenous ketones and their effects on appetite. Obesity. Sumithran P, et al. (2013). Ketosis and appetite-mediating nutrients after weight loss. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Arciero PJ, et al. (2016). Protein pacing caloric restriction improves body composition and metabolic parameters. Nutrients. Hector AJ & Phillips SM. (2018). Protein recommendations for weight loss in athletes. International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism. Jäger R, et al. (2017). ISSN Position Stand: Protein and Exercise. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. Burns L, et al. (2025). Effects of low- vs higher-protein fasting-mimicking diets on autophagy and body composition. Clinical Nutrition.  
Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa Perimenopause isn't just about estrogen. If you're eating less, working out more, and still gaining belly fat or losing muscle, the real issue may be metabolic — not hormonal. In this episode, Vanessa sits down with Dr. Nicole Huffman to unpack what's actually happening beneath the surface in midlife: rising insulin resistance, stress-driven blood sugar swings, declining metabolic flexibility, and the silent loss of muscle that lowers resting metabolic rate. They explore why ketosis can be a powerful tool during perimenopause — not as a rigid "diet," but as a metabolic state that stabilizes glucose, reduces inflammation, and helps restore the internal environment hormones rely on. They also explore the powerful connection between ketosis and fertility — including insulin resistance, progesterone signaling, PCOS, and why metabolic "safety signals" matter for ovulation. You'll also hear: Why muscle preservation changes everything after 40 The surprising connection between stress, insulin, and progesterone Why some women regain ovulation when blood sugar improves How to approach keto in a flexible, woman-centered way Why protein + lifting + sleep are non-negotiable Vanessa also shares her experience using protein-sparing modified fasting (PSMF) days to drive fat loss, body recomposition and ketogenesis while protecting lean mass — and why this may be a more effective strategy for women over traditional fasting. If you've ever said, "My body doesn't respond like it used to," this episode explains why — and what to do about it. Dr. Nicole Huffman also shares her Radiant Woman Method, a 7-week live program designed to help women restore metabolic balance during perimenopause. Learn more about Dr. Huffman's Radiant Woman Method Here 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Start of episode recap is at 13.41 In today's Friday solocast, Vanessa Spina breaks down the biggest takeaways from her interview with Dr. Paul Moughan—one of the world's leading experts on protein quality, amino acid digestibility, and how much of the protein you eat actually becomes usable by the body. If you've ever wondered why fat loss stalls in a deficit, why muscle can drop even when you "hit your protein," or why metabolic rate seems to slow during dieting—this episode explores a rarely discussed variable: utilizable protein and amino acid delivery to tissues.  🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code What you'll learn in this episode: Why protein grams on labels don't equal protein your body can use The difference between total protein vs. utilizable protein (what actually reaches tissues) How DIAAS (Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score) upgrades outdated protein scoring systems Why fat loss diets can unintentionally accelerate lean mass loss if protein quality is low How the body prioritizes amino acids (and why muscle can become the "last resort") The overlooked role of the gut's massive protein turnover and amino acid demand Why low protein quality can contribute to metabolic adaptation (lower RMR over time) Why women in perimenopause/menopause, dieters, vegans, and older adults may be more vulnerable The collagen "protein" mistake: why collagen is not a primary protein source for preserving muscle Practical strategies to improve outcomes without simply "eating more protein" The future of protein labeling: why "digestible protein" may eventually replace total protein on labels BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
Protein grams don't tell the full story. In this episode, Vanessa Spina is joined by Paul Moughan, a world authority on protein quality and amino acid digestibility, to explore why fat loss can stall and muscle can be lost — even on a high-protein diet. Dr. Moughan, a Distinguished Professor at Massey University and architect of DIAAS, explains why protein absorbed and delivered to muscle matters more than protein consumed. Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa You'll learn: Why identical protein intakes can produce very different body composition outcomes How low-quality protein may drive hunger and muscle loss during dieting Why protein grams on labels are misleading for fat loss and recomposition This episode isn't about eating more protein — it's about eating protein that actually counts. 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Start of Arny Ferrando's episode recap is at 14:00 minutes. In today's Friday solocast, Vanessa Spina recaps her recent interview with Arny Ferrando, one of the world's leading experts on human muscle protein metabolism — and explains why fat loss problems are often muscle problems in disguise. The episode opens with two brand-new studies that challenge common fat-loss assumptions, including new findings on hydration and body fat loss, and surprising research linking resistance training with intelligence and cognitive performance. From there, Vanessa distills the most important insights from her conversation with Dr. Ferrando, including why simply eating less often backfires, how aging and hormonal changes impair muscle metabolism, and what most people misunderstand about protein needs, circulation, and metabolic slowdown. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code 🧠 In This Episode, You'll Learn Why a basic habit most people overlook can quietly stall fat loss How strength training affects far more than muscle and appearance Why eating less often worsens metabolic adaptation over time What actually changes in muscle as we age — especially in women Why protein intake becomes more important, not less The missing link between circulation, amino acids, and body recomposition 🔬 Studies Mentioned Water intake and body fat loss (PubMed ID: 39585691) Resistance training and intelligence (Frontiers in Psychiatry, 2025) BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
In this episode of The Optimal Protein Podcast, Vanessa Spina welcomes back leading muscle metabolism researcher Dr. Arny Ferrando for a deep dive into protein, muscle, and women's physiology across the menopause transition. Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa They explore why perimenopause represents a critical turning point for whole-body protein balance, how muscle loss accelerates during midlife, and why protein quality, dosing, and movement become essential for preserving lean mass and metabolic health. Dr. Ferrando also shares insights from forthcoming research comparing animal-based and plant-based proteins, and explains why muscle is the body's primary survival tissue during stress and aging. This conversation delivers clear, evidence-based strategies for improving body composition, fat loss, and long-term health in women. Topics include: Why menopause changes protein utilization and muscle retention Perimenopause as a muscle-critical intervention window Protein intake vs. protein optimization Essential amino acids (EAAs): when supplementation is useful Muscle loss, fat gain, and metabolic slowdown in midlife Why muscle preservation matters more than scale weight The role of circulation, blood flow, and resistance training Fat loss without muscle loss: what the science shows GLP-1 weight loss drugs and concerns around lean mass loss Emerging research on beef-based vs. plant-based proteins for women Dr. Arny Ferrando is a world-leading researcher in human protein metabolism, muscle physiology, and aging. His work has helped define how amino acids, protein intake, and exercise influence muscle preservation, recovery, and metabolic health across the lifespan. 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Most people think creatine only affects muscle strength and performance. But what if creatine also plays a role inside fat cells themselves—and could subtly influence fat loss and body recomposition? In this episode of the Optimal Protein Podcast, Vanessa Spina I recaps the key takeaways from the interview with Dr. Scott Forbes, focusing on fat loss, body recomposition, muscle preservation, protein intake, creatine supplementation, sleep, and aging. This episode breaks down brand new research on how different training modalities, recovery, and evidence-based supplements influence fat loss and body composition—and why scale weight alone is a poor marker of fat loss success. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa Most fat-loss advice focuses on the scale — but what if that's the wrong metric entirely? In this episode, Vanessa Spina is joined by Dr. Scott Forbes, exercise physiologist and professor at Brandon University, whose research challenges many of the assumptions behind traditional weight-loss approaches. Dr. Forbes has authored and co-authored numerous randomized controlled trials and large meta-analyses examining how training style, protein intake, creatine supplementation, sleep, and aging influence fat loss, muscle retention, and metabolic health. Rather than chasing weight loss, this conversation explores what happens when the goal shifts to body recomposition — losing fat while preserving or building muscle — and why that distinction changes everything. In this episode, we explore: Why weight loss and fat loss are not the same thing The surprising differences between cardio, resistance training, and combined approaches Why some people lose weight but stall metabolically How protein and creatine fit into a muscle-centric fat-loss strategy Why fat loss becomes harder with age — and what still works A largely overlooked factor that influences where fat is stored If you've ever done "everything right" and still felt stuck, this episode offers a science-backed reframe that may completely change how you approach fat loss. 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review the Optimal Protein Podcast to support the show and help bring you more evidence-based conversations on fat loss, protein, and muscle-centric nutrition. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Skip to the start of the recap: 13:41 In today's Friday solo episode of The Optimal Protein Podcast, Vanessa breaks down the science of leptin — the hormone that determines whether your body will burn fat or protect it. Leptin isn't just about appetite. It's a metabolic permission signal, and when leptin signaling is disrupted, fat loss can stall even in a calorie deficit. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code Vanessa explains how sleep, circadian rhythm, and light exposure affect leptin, why dieting can feel harder than it should, and walks you through a practical 7-Day Leptin Reset Protocol designed to reduce hunger, improve satiety, and make fat loss feel easier. This episode connects leptin science with protein-forward nutrition, calories in vs. calories out, resistance training, and circadian alignment for sustainable fat loss. BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Catherine Clinton to explore how circadian biology, light exposure, and cellular electrical charge regulate metabolism, hormones, and fat loss — often beyond calories alone. We discuss how morning light impacts leptin signaling, insulin sensitivity, cortisol, and melatonin, why modern indoor living disrupts metabolic health, and how maintaining a strong negative cellular charge is critical for mitochondrial function. We also cover red and infrared light therapy, optimal timing, metabolic benefits, and key considerations during pregnancy — plus how to integrate protein intake, calories in vs. calories out, and resistance training with circadian alignment for sustainable fat loss. Topics include: Light exposure and leptin signaling Circadian rhythm and fat loss Cellular charge and mitochondrial health Grounding and infrared light Red light therapy timing and pregnancy considerations Balancing calories, protein, and training with circadian biology 🔗 Dr. Catherine Clinton's book Optimize: drcatherineclinton.com/optimize Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl 🔴 Tone LUX Red Light Therapy Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Skip to the start of the recap: 11:40 In today's solo recap, Vanessa unpacks the most important takeaways from her conversation with Dr. Nick Barringer—former U.S. Army officer, researcher, and Registered Dietitian—whose work with tactical athletes and elite military populations reveals what really happens to the body during fat loss, stress, and recovery. This episode explores why so many people lose muscle when dieting, how PSMF and ketosis fundamentally change the equation, and what most fat-loss advice gets wrong. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code You'll Discover: Why cutting calories alone often backfires What makes PSMF different from standard low-calorie dieting The overlooked role of protein quality—not just protein quantity What elite military research reveals about recovery and resilience The truth about seed oils vs butter when you look at human data Why collagen may support more than just joints and skin The most common mistakes women make when trying to get lean If you're working hard but not seeing the results you expect—or you're tired of fear-based nutrition rules—this episode will change how you think about fat loss, muscle, and recovery. BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
Timeline Mitopure Gummies — The #1 Urolithin A supplement for energy and healthy aging, now in delicious strawberry gummies. Get 20% off at timeline.com/vanessa In this episode of the Optimal Protein Podcast, Vanessa is joined by Dr. Nick Barringer, former U.S. Army officer, researcher, Registered Dietitian, and Chief Academic Officer at Lionel University. Dr. Barringer has led cutting-edge research on protein intake, recovery, and resilience under extreme physical and psychological stress, working with tactical athletes including Army Rangers, Navy SEALs, and West Point cadets. This conversation goes far beyond the military. Dr. Barringer breaks down how women and everyday high performers can apply the same evidence-based strategies to lose fat without losing muscle, recover more effectively, and avoid the biggest pitfalls of aggressive dieting. Together, Vanessa and Dr. Barringer cut through fear-based nutrition messaging and explore what human research actually shows about protein intake, recovery, seed oils, supplements, and collagen. Get 20% off the Tone Device to try on a PSMF Day! Shop the collection HERE and use the code VANESSA Get delicious high protein meal recipes! Connect with Vanessa on Instagram @ketogenicgirl Get 20% off the Tone LUX Crystal Red Light Therapy collection including the Crystal Mask and accessories the with the code VANESSA HERE Follow @optimalproteinpodcast on Instagram to see visuals and posts mentioned on this podcast. Link to join the Facebook group for the podcast The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical advice. Consult with a healthcare professional before making significant changes to your diet or exercise regimen.
Skip to the start of the episode: 11:52 In today's Friday solo recap on the Optimal Protein Podcast, I break down the most important takeaways from my recent conversation with Dr. Gabrielle Lyon — and why this episode has major implications for fat loss, metabolic health, and women's body composition. 🧠 IQBAR – Try the Ultimate Sampler Pack: IQBARs, IQMIX, and IQJOE! Text VANESSA to 64000 for a 20% off discount code One of the biggest themes of our discussion was that muscle is not just about aesthetics. It's a metabolic organ, and preserving it is foundational for long-term health — especially for women as we age. I also connect this conversation to the new protein recommendations reflected in the 2025–2030 Dietary Guidelines, which now align far more closely with modern protein science. For the first time, official guidance is moving beyond minimums designed to prevent deficiency and toward intakes that actually support muscle preservation, metabolic health, and satiety. We also cover a brand new study on weight loss drugs and fat regain. In this recap, I cover: Why we don't have an "overfat" problem — we have an undermuscled problem Why midlife fat gain is not inevitable (and not just about hormones) How carb tolerance and activity level influence fat storage Why excess carbohydrates quietly work against fat loss when muscle demand is low The overlooked role of muscle blood flow and intramuscular fat Why under-eating accelerates muscle loss in women How weight loss drugs can worsen fat regain if muscle isn't protected Why strength training is non-negotiable — but must be appropriate Why protein isn't just calories, but a signal for muscle and metabolism If your goals include fat loss, body recomposition, and aging strong, this episode will help you rethink how protein, carbs, and muscle fit together — and why preserving muscle is the real long-term strategy. BOOST YOUR COLLAGEN & ELASTIN with RED LIGHT THERAPY! Save 20% on all Tone Lux Red Light therapy with the code VANESSA! Learn more about the  TONE LUX Crystal red light therapy mask and the brand new accessory the TONE LUX CONTOUR for the neck and décollete Vanessa discusses how using the Tone Device is a proxy for fat loss and autophay on Protein Sparing Modified Fasting (PSMF) days! 👉 Use code VANESSA for 20% off HERE Get my free NEW high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook Free high-protein keto guide: The Keto Reset eBook 👤 Connect with Vanessa: • Instagram: @ketogenicgirl 📱 Follow @ketogenicgirl for the latest studies and strategies on fat loss and protein optimization 📸 Follow @optimalproteinpodcast for episode visuals and updates 💬 Join the Facebook group: Optimal Protein Podcast Community 🎙 The content in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not nutritional or medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making major dietary or lifestyle changes.  
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El K

Useful content. Very pleasant and clear presentation. The editing needs improving - too many restarts (which is normal I appreciate, no one can do a perfect run) - these really do not need to be in the published version.

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Sheila Bowen

Thoroughly enjoyed the episode on Protein Leverage. Found it very interesting and helpful!

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Sheila Bowen

#281 will not download to listen to and I'm so disappointed!

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Melissa Meyer Roberts

great podcast! so much knowledge packed into the hour plus.

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Marie Gonzales

Thank you so much for your knowledge and willingness to share it!

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Julie Garten-Stevenson

Loved this episode. Dr. Berry is my fave!

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Emilie Kyle

Sound quality for commercials is better than the sound quality during the show.

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Marie Gonzales

Thank you!

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Whitney Lee

loved this one! x

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