Embodiment Matters Podcast

Greetings Listener friends,    We are delighted to share with you our recent conversation with Langston Kahn.   Langston Kahn is a black, queer teacher and shamanic practitioner who specializes in radical human transformation, ancestral healing, and restoring an authentic relationship with our emotions. He stands firmly at the crossroads; his practice informed by somatic modalities, contemporary shamanic traditions, initiations into traditions of the African diaspora, and his helping spirits and ancestors weaving it all together. Langston gives workshops and lectures internationally, in person and online. He serves in the leadership by council of the Last Mask Community, a collective of people striving to live in alignment with ancient shamanic principles in service of personal and collective liberation. He is the author of Deep Liberation: Shamanic Teachings for Reclaiming Wholeness in a Culture of Trauma.  Langston lives in the ancestral lands of the Lenape, Rockaway and Canarsie also known as New York City.  In our conversation we dive into a wide range of topics: We speak about embodiment, and Langston’s perspective of embodiment as the willingness to be in a state of flux, and change, and to not get stuck on one story of who we are.  We explore the practice of Focusing, the method of somatic inquiry developed by Gene Gendlin, (which Langston learned from his mom,) and how the principles of Focusing support Langston in being in relationship with the more than human world in shamanic practice.  We discuss shamanism, and the challenges around appropriation and capitalism. We explore healing, animism, trauma, ancestral work, ritual and much more.  Langston is a radiant human being and teacher who has a deep foundation of practice.  We hope you enjoy the conversation, and we highly recommend  checking out his book and his work.  You can find out more about his work at his website: LangstonKahn.com.  

Dear friends,   It is such a pleasure to share this conversation with Zuza Gonçalves.   I met Zuza at the Bobby McFerrin Circlesongs School, and was so moved by his presence, his kindness, the way he moved around the room, and how he led us in movement, song and body-percussion. It felt to me like original human music.   Zuza has been exploring alternative ways to collective music making for more than 20 years, integrating vocal improvisation, body percussion, movement, dialogue, cooperative practices and collaborative methodologies to  promote experiences where music and human connection are interconnected and feed off each other.   Born and raised in São Paulo, Brazil, Zuza has a bachelor’s degree in Music (composing and conducting) and a graduate degree in the Pedagogy of Cooperation.  He is the co-creator of Música do Círculo, part of the faculty at Bobby McFerrin's Circlesongs School, at IBMF (Ghana edition) and travels internationally for festivals and workshops on Música do Circulo.   In our conversation, we speak about vocal improvisation as ancestral practice, and how we are all musical by nature. We speak about the challenges that arise when we outsource our musicality to a small number of perfomers, and don't experience ourselves as being a part of music being made in daily life.   We also explore the value of play and improvisation, an how essential these qualities are for learning, and meeting challenging times, and how rarely modern adults get to experience play and improvisation.    Zuza also guides us all in a wonderful improv practice to sing and play along with.    To find our more about Música do Círculo and the upcoming retreats and trainings you can visit https://www.musicadocirculo.com   To find out more about the Circlesongs School you can visit https://circlesongs.com   Also Zuza mentions The Well, a global vocal improvisation network https://thewellvocal.com   And here are links to other circlesongs/ vocal improv resources:   http://www.judivinar.com https://www.rhiannonmusic.com https://gaelaubrit.com http://www.joeyblake.com https://www.destaniwolf.com https://www.christianekaram.com http://www.rizumik.com/ https://www.jaospina.com https://www.varijashree.com https://www.goussycelestin.com/works https://vocaltoning.net

Greetings, listener friends. We are so happy to share this episode with our dear friends and colleagues, Holly Truhlar and Alexandre Jodun. In our conversation we speak about what it means to live a soulful life, and why it matters. We weave through many topics connected to soul, including being embedded in relationship with an animate world, ancestors and future beings, imagination and the imaginal, the spell of individualism, ripening adulthood and becoming elders, our relationship with the wild, community building and more. We hope you enjoy the conversation.    Holly Truhlar (she/they) is a grief therapist, group facilitator, and community organizer. She’s most known for her collaborations with politicized grief tending, collapse psychology, and soul activism. Her body of work is a remembering of what it means to be people of potency and culture. Over the last decade, she’s facilitated small and large groups (700+) using ritual, storytelling, creative processes, and Deep Democracy work. She earned a Doctorate in Law and Masters in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology, though she learns the most from her relationships with the Wild, including the land she inhabits, Ancestors, Hekate, and donkeys. You can find out more about Holly.and her work at hollytruhlar.com   Alexandre Jodun (he/him) is a holistic psychotherapist, facilitator, ritualist, and ceremonialist with a creole-diasporic ancestral heritage. Through a decade of immersion and training within integrative and process-oriented, as well as earth-based and animist paradigms, he passionately walks his path of being a facilitator who can stand with feet in multiple worlds. His eclectic work with individuals, couples, and groups focuses on relational intimacy, grief and loss, altered and extraordinary states, intentional use of psychedelic & master-plant ritual technologies, and the psychospiritual processes of ripening into mature adulthood. You can find out more about Alexandre’s work at ahealingbridge.com     You can find out more about the Soulful Life online community, which is opening its doors to new members in March of 2024 at Soulfullife.mn.co

Watering the Seeds of Soul A conversation with Holly Truhlar and Erin Geesaman Rabke   Find out more about Watering the Seeds of Soul at hollytruhlar.com embodimentmatters.com https://watering-the-seeds-of-soul.mn.co     In this conversation we explore how we came into grief work both personally and professionally.   We share a bit about what is unique about our approach to grief, including Soul, somatics, the mythopoetic, anti-oppression, biocultural restoration and more.  We talk about the Six Gates of Grief as articulated by our dear friend Francis Weller: Everything we love we will lose. The parts of us that have not known love. The sorrows of the world. Grief over destruction of the planet and injustice. What we expected and did not receive. Loss of village and connection. Ancestral Grief from the trials and tribulations of our lineages. The harms we've caused, both personal and collective. We also explore Francis’s articulation of the 6 elements of an apprenticeship with sorrow.  Practice as a form of ballast. Self-compassion. Staying in our adult presence. Remembering our wild entanglement. Growing a relationship with silence and solitude. Developing right relationship with sorrow. We also dive into why grief work is important in the world today.  We hope you enjoy the conversation! If you’d like to join us for a live online course starting in February, see https://watering-the-seeds-of-soul.mn.co to fill out an application.    About Holly: Hello there friend, I'm Holly Truhlar. I'm a grief therapist, ritualist, and community organizer.  I'm most known for my work in collapse psychology and politicized grief tending. In my search for what's just and holy I earned a Doctorate in Law and Masters in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology; yet, I found more Soul, more of what mattered, in witnessing grief and spending time with animal-kin. For over a decade, I've facilitated small and large groups (700+) using ritual, storytelling, creative processes, and Deep Democracy work. I'm a queer abolitionist and two time sibling loss survivor (Ivy & Brett 🩵). My "positive obsessions" are liberation-based community and culture, donkeys and mules, and the color turquoise. My deepest gratitude goes to my ancestors, mentors, and teachers who've guided me in my work and life, including Desiree Adaway, Kai Cheng Thom, Aftab Erfan, and Francis Weller. I've also been deeply influenced by many poets, authors, and activists, including adrienne maree brown, Alexis Pauline Gumbs, Joy Harjo, Linda Hogan, Harriet Tubman, ALOK, Octavia Butler, Audre Lorde, Fannie Lou Hamer, bell hooks, Craig Santos Perez, and Jennifer Mullan.  About Erin Hi, I’m Erin Geesaman Rabke. I am a Somatic Naturalist and Embodiment Mentor. I have spent the past 30 years studying & teaching in various lineages of somatics and embodiment. For the past decade, I've been weaving somatic practices with deep ecology, grief tending, praise practice, anti-oppression, & soul work. I am committed to courageous kindness and have a heart vow to live a life of benefit & to steward refugia of many kinds. I have been practicing for 30 years in the Tibetan Buddhist meditation traditions of Dzogchen and Lojong. I’m grateful to be mother to a 13-year-old boy wonder. I’m also a podcaster, a permaculture gardener, a writer, a collector of books and plants, & am a lucky partner to my beloved Carl. I'm a feral Buddhist animist ritualist, home herbalist & beekeeper. I am a lover of poetry, good coffee, big red wine, long walks, and all facets of growing, cooking, sharing and eating food. I'm dedicated to using my skills to ripen mature human beings and to nurture sane and soulful culture. I aim to be grounded, spacious, and gracious. I love being an Earthling with my whole heart.  

Embodying Maitri: The Essential Ingredient with Erin Geesaman Rabke     We’re delighted to share with you this podcast where Erin speaks about the practice of Maitri. Maitri is a Sanskrit word often translated as “lovingkindness” but several teachers in our lineage have gone further, naming it “courageous unconditional friendliness,” or “brave warmheartedness.” In this episode, Erin speaks about the importance of this practice in living a healing life. Traditional Buddhist teachings suggest beginning the practice with oneself, then extending our circles of care ever outward. Erin shares personal stories of working with this practice, and invites you in. She also shares about her upcoming online class Maitri: A Courtship with the Essential Ingredient. You can learn more about that offering here. https://embodimentmatters.com/maitri-courting-the-essential-ingredient/   Erin refers to a few sources of inspiration in this episode including:   To Love and Be Loved: The Difficult Yoga of Relationship with Stephen and Ondrea Levine https://www.soundstrue.com/products/to-love-and-be-loved   bell hooks  All About Love https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17607.All_About_Love Her Interview with Thich Nhat Hanh https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/interviews-with-thich-nhat-hanh/interview-with-bell-hooks-january-1-2000/   Open and Innocent by Scott Morrison https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3397459-open-and-innocent   There is Nothing Wrong with You by Cheri Huber https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27580.There_Is_Nothing_Wrong_with_You     And Mary Oliver’s poem, To Begin with the Sweet Grass   https://embodimentmatters.com/love-yourself/      

In this conversation, Carl speaks with John Wolfstone. John is third-generation settler, working on the Traditional and Unceded territory of the Southern Pomo and Coast Miwok Peoples. His blood and bones hold Hebraic, Norse and Celtic ancestry, and his spirit is from the Stars. As a wilderness rites-of-passage guide, ritualist, community consultant, relationship coach, and transmedia story-teller, John is on a mission to reclamate adulthood initiation rites-of-passage. Holding space for the great grief of our times, John designs and facilitates rituals of transformation, in service to regulating the personal and collective nervous systems back to belonging with the Earth. John apprenticed in numerous indigenous and ancestral ritual healing lineages during his decade long adulthood initiation quest, and bows in reverence to his many teachers, mentors, guides and elders. John tends thresholds of all kinds, and can often be found praying by a fire, whistling bird song, invoking his ancestors, and training his craft as a sacred huntsman. John is also one of the cofounders of the School of Mythopoetics. In our conversation, we explore initiation, and why it has been so central to the human experience. We also talk about what is lost, in terms of the presence of adults and elders in the world, when practices of initiation are absent in a culture. We talk about the markings of adulthood, exploring some of the indicators that someone has grown into an adult, or not. And we look at how to grow a literacy with initiatory process, and for the many of us who have not grown up in cultures with intact rituals and rites of passage, how to bring these practices and principles into our lives and our communities. John is facilitating a year-long adulthood initiation ritual apprenticeship through the School of Mythopoetics beginning November, 2022, and you can find more about that here. https://www.schoolofmythopoetics.com/ritual-apprenticeship You can find more about John and his work here: johnwolfstone.com www.schoolofmythopoetics.com    

Embodying Reverent Relationship with Marika Heinrichs   What a pleasure to speak with Marika Heinrichs of Wildbody.ca about somatics, lineages, respect and repair - and what a delight to have such a rich and tender conversation in Rumi’s field that sits outside of any rigid and fixed ideas of rightdoing and wrongdoing.    I hope you enjoy this important conversation.      Marika Heinrichs is the granddaughter of German Mennonite, British, and Irish settlers to the part of Turtle Island colonially know as Canada. She is a queer, femme, somatics practitioner and facilitator whose work focuses on the recovery of ancestral wisdom through body-based ways of knowing, and challenging the appropriation and erasure of Indigenous knowledge in the field of somatics. Marika resides on Attawandaron, Haudenosaunee and Anishinabe territory (a.k.a. Guelph, Ontario). She is grateful for the nourishment and support of her peers, mentors, and more-than-human kin.    Links: website: wildbdoy.ca IG: @wildbodysomatics Courses: wildbody.ca/embodied-ethics     Here is a link to a beautiful and important piece written by Marika which I referred to in our conversation - On White People Building Belonging Together in our Movements for Liberation. https://wildbody.ca/blog/on-building-belonging-as-white-people-within-our-movements   Some powerful quotes from Marika’s writings and teachings:     "I believe that building healing communities is just as important as having access to individualized healing supports such as therapy.       Divesting from appropriation is about both surrendering entitlement and feeling into the truth of our own peoples. I believe we are all capable of appropriation, and as a white bodied person I don't feel it's my work to tell Black, Indigenous, and other people of colour how to engage with their practices. I can share from what I know through my own journey into these questions, which includes feeling how intimately connected extraction, violence, and severance from the natural world are to the projects of white supremacy and Christian hegemony.   Lack of acknowledgment and consent, spiritual bypassing, claiming ownership and superiority, prohibitive costs, lack of access for the descendants of the very peoples from whom practices emerged, no sense of connection or accountability to our own peoples, normalizing cis, straight, thin, white, able bodies… the list goes on.    I want to envision a methodology of somatics that is invested in liberation right down to the roots of the lineages and histories of our practices. If we are not tending to the ways that this field has been shaped by supremacy, we are missing a core component of embodied liberation.    Practices emerge from culture, they are shaped by time, place, and cosmology. All of our peoples had practices and ways of working with the body towards healing. Even if we engage in the most consent-based, ethical, values-driven protocols with practices from outside our own cultures, we miss the crucial work of facing into the grief and joy of our own lineages and peoples. I believe that the unwillingness to do this is one way that the field of somatics can perpetuate white supremacy, and I envision new/old practices that reconnect us with our ancestors and carry us through mourning, accountability, and repair as white people. As practitioners, we hold power around shaping these conversations in our field, and in supporting these conditions with these we serve.        All those years practicing yoga are part of what shaped me and helped me to grow the capacity to release it for a practice that feels more aligned, more liberatory. It’s not for me to decide who should or shouldn’t practice yoga, or whether or not something is appropriation. Those questions can serve as distractions, virtue signalling that keeps us from the work of divesting from the roots of whiteness that lead to appropriation in the first place. I do know that the space that was left when I quit yoga made room for a new kind of connection to emerge that feels much more rooted in my values, and my lineage. I am not sure how we can approach practices such as yoga as white people without having something to share in return. A practice entails a relationship, if we don’t know who we are or where we come from, how can we really engage in mutual connection?"  

Animal Body, Deep Time and The Thing We All Long For: A Conversation with Josh Schrei Friends, we are delighted to share this recent conversation with Josh Schrei. Joshua Michael Schrei is the founder and host of The Emerald podcast. The Emerald combines evocative narrative, soul-stirring music, and interviews with award-winning authors and luminaries to explore the human experience through a vibrant lens of myth, story, and imagination. The Emerald draws from a deep well of poetry, lore, and mythos to challenge conventional narratives on politics and public discourse, meditation and mindfulness, art, science, literature, and more.  A writer, teacher, and a lifelong student of the cosmologies and mythologies of the world — in particular the Indian subcontinent — Josh has sought to navigate the living, animate space of the imagination and advocate for a world that prioritizes imaginative vision. Josh has taught intensive courses in mythology and somatic disciplines for nearly 20 years.   In our conversation, we cover some good terrain. We explore some pithy some essential Zen teachings, we look into what is the experience of our animal body, what does it mean to living an animate universe? Throughout the conversation, we weave in the image of deep time, of the long arc of human evolution, and the profound inheritance that each of us carries. We speak of elements of the teacher-student relationship, and what supports learning, unfolding, and embodying what we all long for.  May you enjoy the conversation, and we always love to hear your reflections. You can find out more information on the Emerald Podcasr, and Josh’s teachings wherever you listen to podcasts.

I Wish You Heartbreak - An Exploration of the 19 Ways with Deena Metzger   We’re so grateful and honored to begin the 3rd season of the Embodiment Matters podcast by sharing with you this rich conversation with wise elder Deena Metzger.    A poet, novelist, essayist, storyteller, teacher, healer and medicine woman who has taught and counseled for over fifty years, in the process of which she has developed therapies which creatively address life threatening diseases, spiritual and emotional crises, as well as community, political and environmental disintegration.   Deena has spent a lifetime investigating Story as a form of knowing and healing.  She conducts training groups on the spiritual, creative, political and ethical aspects of healing and peacemaking, individual, community and global, drawing deeply on alliance with spirit, indigenous teachings and the many wisdom traditions. You can read a longer story about Deena’s extraordinary life here http://deenametzger.net/bio/   Deena teaches powerfully through asking challenging questions, and we have been grateful to be her students for several years.   Her current work is envisioning a new future for all beings. Considering new forms of peacemaking, healing, and sanctuary for all beings is encoded in the 19 Ways to a Viable Future for All Beings. Essential to the 19 Ways are respecting and restoring Indigenous ways, the Pathless Path, and the No Enemy Way. Deena works with writers to develop the literary voices essential for this time and she is a mentor to those who are seeking their own paths to be healing presences for the future. For many years Deena has lived at the end of the road at the edge of the wild in Topanga, California, with various animal companions.    In this conversation we explore Deena’s articulation of the 19 Ways. We talk about working with dreams not in a personal, psychological way, but in a communal way. We talk about what she wishes for all of us - and the answer might surprise you. We explore illness as a messenger - through her own personal history with cancer as well as the covid 19 pandemic. I also share a powerful story of an experience with Deena many years ago which changed my life in a powerful way and which had both of us in tears. We hope you enjoy this clarion call from a wise elder to live differently and to meet these times with courage, community, and heart.    Some relevant links:  Deena’s Website: http://deenametzger.net/ The 19 Ways: http://deenametzger.net/19-ways/ This powerful poster of Deena made decades ago http://deenametzger.net/the-poster/ A list of Deena’s published works: http://deenametzger.net/published-works-3/ Deena mentions this book, Blackfoot Physics, in our conversation  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110248.Blackfoot_Physics

We’re so grateful to be able to share this inspired conversation with the amazing Sherri Mitchell, Weh’na Ha’mu Kwasset. We absolutely love her book, Sacred Instructions, and highly recommend it! While we only touched on a fraction of the questions we wanted to ask Sherri, we did explore many rich topics together, including  Her beautiful perspective on embodiment How we come to recognize our power and how this can get confused in a capitalist culture (and what the Law of Attraction gets right and wrong) on living in a time of prophecy and what that entails The sources of her strength The need to examine and change the stories we’re telling- for example, the celebration of St. Patrick’s Day in the U.S. which celebrates colonizing and killing indigenous pagans in Ireland Indigenous values as compared to Euro-centric values and the resulting differences in culture and experience.  Her incredible, visionary, 21-year ceremony dedicated toward Healing Turtle Island, and more.  And wondering together: Will we exit the planet or change our course??      What a powerful conversation with a wise visionary for our times. We’re so grateful to Sherri for this conversation and her work and way in the world. Please explore more at her websites:  https://sacredinstructions.life/ https://www.healingturtleisland.org/   Sherri was born and raised on the Penobscot Indian reservation (Penawahpskek).  She speaks and teaches around the world on issues of Indigenous rights, environmental justice, and spiritual change. Her broad base of knowledge allows her to synthesize many subjects into a cohesive whole, weaving together a multitude of complex issues and articulating them in a way that both satisfies the mind and heals the heart. Sherri received her Juris Doctorate and a certificate in Indigenous People’s Law and Policy from the University of Arizona’s James E. Rogers College of Law. She is an alumna of the American Indian Ambassador program, and the Udall Native American Congressional Internship program. Sherri is the Founding Director of the Land Peace Foundation, an organization dedicated to the global protection of Indigenous land and water rights and the preservation of the Indigenous way of life. Prior to forming the Land Peace Foundation, Sherri served as a law clerk to the Solicitor of the United States Department of Interior; as an Associate with Fredericks, Peebles and Morgan Law Firm; as a civil rights educator for the Maine Attorney General’s Office, and; as the Staff Attorney for the Native American Unit of Pine Tree Legal. She has been actively involved with Indigenous rights and environmental justice work for more than 25 years. In 2010, she received the Mahoney Dunn International Human Rights and Humanitarian Award, for research into Human Rights violations against Indigenous Peoples. In 2015, she received the Spirit of Maine Award, for commitment and excellence in the field of International Human Rights. In 2016, Sherri’s portrait was added to the esteemed portrait series, Americans Who Tell the Truth, by artist Robert Shetterly. And, she is the recipient of the 2017 Hands of Hope Award from the Peace and Justice Center. Sherri has been deeply committed to cultivating and renewing the traditional and ceremonial practices of her people. She has worked in many capacities over the past 30 years helping to highlight and advance the position of Wabanaki peoples.  In addition to helping her own people, Sherri has been a longtime advisor to the American Indian Institute’s Traditional Circle of Indian Elders and Youth and was a program coordinator for their Healing the Future Program. She also served as an advisor to the Indigenous Elders and Medicine People’s Council of North and South America for the past 20 years. In this role, she has worked with Indigenous spiritual leaders from across the Americas, helping to ensure that their voices are heard within the larger society. This has included bringing their messages to political leaders in the U.S., and Canada and the Indigenous Peoples Forum at the United Nations. Sherri is the visionary behind “Healing the Wounds of Turtle Island,” a global healing ceremony that has brought people together from all corners of the world. The ceremony is designed to heal our relationships with one another as human beings, and then to heal the relationship between human beings and the rest of Creation.  It has been attended by people from every continent (except Antarctica), who have come together to pray with one heart and one mind for the healing of all life on Mother Earth. 

Embodiment & Social Justice We shared such a potent and enlivening conversation with Rev. angel Kyodo williams and Dr. Scott Lyons. In this conversation we talk about an upcoming training they are hosting called the Embodied Social Justice Certification Program. So of course, we talked about some of our favorite topics - embodiment, social justice, soft-bellies, the highly contagious nature of reactivity, spiritual bypassing, ways of perceiving our world as influenced by our conditioning and our language, and the skills that support us in doing the deep and necessary work of becoming embodied and co-creating a better world for all. We dive into talking about liberation, cancel culture, minding our own business, and the essential foundation of contemplative/somatic practice for doing any kind of racial healing work. These are two wonderful human beings and skilled teachers and we think you’ll love this rich conversation as much as we did.    Learn more about the training here https://www.theembodylab.com/embodied-social-justice-certificate     Dr. Scott Lyons is dedicated to teaching embodiment as a way of exploring human development, healing, growth and transformation. Scott’s deep passion is to integrate somatic practices, transpersonal inquiry and scholarly research into the creative and healing arts. Scott is a Clinical Psychologist, Osteopath, and Mind-Body Medicine practitioner who specializes in therapies for infants, youth and adults.   Scott is the founder of The Embody Lab DrScottLyons.com  TheEmbodyLab.com IG@Drscottlyons   Rev. angel Kyodo williams is a writer, activist, ordained Zen priest and the author of Being Black: Zen and the Art of Living with Fearlessness and Grace, published by Viking Press in 2000, and the co-author of Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love, and Liberation , published by North Atlantic Books.   You can find out more at:   http://angelkyodowilliams.com/ http://transformativechange.org/ https://radicaldharma.org

What a powerful conversation we shared, exploring Plotkin’s new book, the Journey of Soul Initiation as well as his vast body of work.  Bill Plotkin, Ph.D., is a depth psychologist, wilderness guide, and agent of cultural regeneration. As founder of western Colorado’s Animas Valley Institute in 1981, he has guided thousands of seekers through nature-based initiatory passages, including a contemporary, Western adaptation of the pan-cultural vision fast. Previously, he has been a research psychologist (studying non-ordinary states of consciousness), professor of psychology, psychotherapist, rock musician, and whitewater river guide. In 1979, on a solo winter ascent of an Adirondack peak, Bill experienced a call to adventure, leading him to abandon academia in search of his true calling. Bill is the author of Soulcraft: Crossing into the Mysteries of Nature and Psyche (an experiential guidebook), Nature and the Human Soul: Cultivating Wholeness and Community in a Fragmented World (a nature-based stage model of human development through the entire lifespan), Wild Mind: A Field Guide to the Human Psyche (an ecocentric map of the psyche — for healing, growing whole, and cultural transformation), and The Journey of Soul Initiation: A Field Guide for Visionaries, Evolutionaries, and Revolutionaries (an experiential guidebook for the descent to soul). He has a doctorate in psychology from the University of Colorado at Boulder. You can dive into the rich world of his work at www.animas.org    We explored so many rich topics in this conversation, beginning, of course, with embodiment, as well as how humans can become life-enhancing partners with Earth and Cosmos. We talk about Bill’s framing of adulthood and maturity and his powerful sentiment, that 90% of older people in modern culture haven’t reached beyond late adolescence. We talk about how to understand where you are on his map of maturity and the process of soul descent, as well as what makes a true adult (and it’s not age-based!) We talk about the beautiful image of adults and elders as imaginal cells in culture, as well as what he calls the four facets of wholeness and ways of cultivating these. Bill shares comments on working with mature urgency in relation to our times and his admiration for Joanna Macy’s Work that Reconnects. We talk about the history of initiated elders and initiatory customs and rituals being what dominating cultures have continually wiped out in the partnership-based cultures they colonized, and what a great loss this has been around the globe. We talk about why rites of passage are so important personally and culturally. This whole conversation is so powerful and is rooted in the rare depth and comprehensive framework of his life’s work and evolving understanding of human development. We hope you enjoy this one as much as we did!

I’m so thrilled to share this episode with you, dear listeners, in which I have the privilege of interviewing one of my hero-writers, Kathleen Dean Moore, whose 2016 book Great Tide Rising: Toward Clarity and Moral Courage in a Time of Planetary Changewas life-changing for me. In this moving conversation, we explore the extinction crisis, what love really means, the importance of facing grief directly; about the necessity of locking the door to despair; and the importance of maintaining outrage as a measure of love and conscience. I’ve long loved the way Kathleen weaves a rich multiplicity of perspectives into her writing: that of mother, grandmother, naturalist, philosopher, professor, and earth-lover. Kathleen speaks about moral courage, about the shift in her writing from praising the beauty of the natural world to a fierce call to defend it. We explore how to speak to children about the climate crisis, and the big question: What can one person do? (I love her answer to this!) We discuss some favorite passages from Great Tide Rising as well as from her beautiful new book, Earth’s Wild Music. I find her work and her words so simultaneously heartening, sobering, and a powerful spur to caring action. I hope you enjoy her as much as I did. I can’t recommend her books highly enough. Please also check out Music to Save Earth’s Songs, a project she’s developed as part of the Spring Creek Project at Oregon State University which includes 20 4-minute concerts weaving music and spoken word. Detaisls are below on that as well as where to find her beautiful books. Kathleen Dean Moore, Ph.D., served as Distinguished Professor of Environmental Philosophy at Oregon State University, where she wrote award-winning books about our cultural and moral relations to the wet, wild world and to one another. But her increasing concern about the climate and extinction crises led her to leave the university, so she could write and speak full-time about the moral urgency of climate action. Since then, she has spoken out across the country, publishing Moral Ground: Ethical Action for a Planet in Peril, a collection of short essays by the world’s moral leaders about our obligations to the future. That is followed byGreat Tide Rising: Toward Clarity and Moral Courage in a Time of Planetary Change (2016); Earth’s Wild Music: Celebrating and Defending the Songs of the Natural World (February 2021); and Bearing Witness: The Human Rights Case Against Fracking and Climate Change(April 2021). Her work on the extinction crisis includes a film, “The Extinction Variations,” a collaboration with a classical pianist. She writes from Corvallis, Oregon and from an off-the-grid cabin where two creeks and a bear trail meet a coastal inlet in Alaska. Find Kathleen’s wonderful books here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/371383.Kathleen_Dean_Moore Here are details about an upcoming book launch party online for Earth’s Wild Music https://events.oregonstate.edu/event/earths_wild_music_book_launch_party And here are details and a link to the wonderful project Music to Save Earth’s Songs:  https://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/feature-story/music-save-earth-s-songs In a series called “Music to Save Earth’s Songs,” the Spring Creek Project at Oregon State University will offer twenty, four-minute concerts that weave music and the spoken word to celebrate the creatures that fill the air with sound – frogs, wolves, songbirds, growling grizzly bears – and to inspire action to save them. Videos will be released online on Mondays and Thursdays at 6 pm, from now through March. The series is inspired by a new book by Kathleen Dean Moore, Earth’s Wild Music.

Friends, we are thrilled to be able to share our recent interview with the incredible  Cynthia Jurs with you.    Before sharing her official bio, I want to tell you that I find Cynthia to be one of the most moving human beings I’ve met in a very long time. Her humility, her wisdom, her bone-deep dedication to healing the Earth and fostering awakening in herself and others is truly awe-inspiring. I adore her so much it’s almost painful! Carl and I have had the good fortune to learn and practice with her this past year and it’s been such a timely gift.    Cynthia is a Lama in the Vajrayana Buddhist tradition and a Dharmacharya in the Order of Interbeing of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. In 1990 she made a life-changing pilgrimage to meet a 106-year-old hermit and meditation master living in a cave in Nepal, from whom she received the practice of the Earth Treasure Vases. She is the guiding teacher of the Gaia Mandala Sangha in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where she teaches a unique blend of engaged buddhism and sacred activism in response to the call of the Earth. Cynthia’s nonprofit, Alliance for the Earth is dedicated to facilitating a global community committed to planetary healing and collective awakening through the Earth Treasure Vase Global Healing Project. She has partnered with indigenous elders and young activists around the world and for ten years has carried out a peace building program in Liberia, West Africa. Cynthia is currently at work on a book and film entitled, Summoned By The Earth.    In this conversation, Cynthia tells the story of meeting and asking a potent question of a 106-year old meditation master in a cave in Nepal and the life-changing consequences she’s still living out today, 30 years later. We explore the topic of sacred activism, subtle activism, and engaged Buddhism, and Cynthia’s incredible project of burying sacred Earth Treasure Vases, little clay vessels filled with prayers for healing the Earth, on every continent around the globe. Cynthia shares about where she’s drawn strength to continue to persevere in her dedication and her practice. We talk about collective awakening and Thich Nhat Hanh’s prediction that the future Buddha will not be a human being, but rather a sangha, a community of beings awakening together. We talk about so many juicy topics, from the practice of listening to the Earth to the distinction between belief and faith; from the potent teachings in the breath to experiencing Gaia in our own bodies and minds. Cynthia shares a passionate invitation to not close our eyes before suffering, but to stay awake and engaged with what is happening in our world. Cynthia also shares briefly about an incredible practice of Tara Gaia. We’ve been lucky enough to be at the first two transmissions of the practice. We close the conversation with a beautiful prayer Cynthia shares about taking refuge in the Earth as the embodiment of teacher, teachings and community. We hope you enjoy this wise and touching conversation as much as we did!!    Some links you’ll likely enjoy exploring:    Cynthia’s website: https://gaiamandala.net    The monthly newsletter: https://gaiamandala.net/contact-us/ which keeps people informed about all offerings including the full moon meditation.    Full Moon Full Moon Earth Treasure Vase Global Healing Meditation:   https://mailchi.mp/earthtreasurevase/full-moon-global-healing-meditation   The link to register for the Tara Gaia Teachings:   https://mailchi.mp/ff4def15a264/tara-gaia-online   

In this episode, Carl speaks with Ian MacKenzie, host of the Mythic Masculine Podcast.  Ian MacKenzie is a filmmaker, speaker, and writer who lives on the Salish Sea with his partner and son.  His films include Lost Nation Road, Amplify Her, Sacred Economics, Prayer to the Earth, an Indigenous Response to These Times. For more than decade, Ian has been tracking the global emergence of new culture. From the desert of Burning Man to the heart of Occupy Wall St, he has sought and amplified the voices of visionaries, artists and activists who have been working toward planetary system change. In our conversation, we explore several of the rich themes that have woven through the conversations on the Mythic Masculine Podcast. We explore dynamics of power, and what can shift in the experience of masculine and feminine polarities outside of a power-over structure. We look at the loss of wildness, and the domestication that many modern men experience. We also speak about embodiment, ritual, and rites of passage.  We weave through many essential themes and inquires about what it means to be a man in these times.  For more information about Ian and his work you can visit ianmack.com or themythicmasculine.com

Uncommon Considerations in the Anthropocene An Interview with Dr. Bayo Akomolafe   Friends, we’re thrilled to share with you this most recent interview with our dear friend, Dr. Bayo Akomolafe. Bayo is a poet, philosopher, psychologist, professor, proud diaper changer, and passionate about the preposterous. He’s a thinker and speaker unlike any you’ve met before. Born and raised in Nigeria, Bayo currently lives with his wife and two children in Chennai, India, and pre-pandemic, spent much time traveling the world teaching on transraciality, emergence, postactivism and more. He is a widely appreciated speaker, teacher, public intellectual, author and facilitator, globally recognized for his poetic, unconventional, counterintuitive, and indigenous take on global crisis, civic action and social change. He is the Executive Director and Chief Curator for The Emergence Network (A Post-Activist Project] and host of the online writing course, ‘We will dance with Mountains: Writing as a Tool for Emergence’  Erin first met Bayo while taking this class in 2017, and we’re both thrilled to hear that this life-changing course will be offered again in Fall of 2020. Read more about Bayo and explore his unconventional and refreshing perspectives through his website www.bayoakomolafe.net, including this recent essay, which Erin refers to in our interview. https://bayoakomolafe.net/project/i-coronavirus-mother-monster-activist/     A friend recently said it so well: “I feel if I can relax and let go of a certain part of my mind and just fall in with Bayo’s words, I always grow.” In this conversation, we explore Bayo’s ideas about making sanctuary. He shares Yoruba proverbs, including “In order to find your way, you must become lost,” and “May your road be rough.” We explore white supremacy, colonial mind, and modernity and the unfortunate“flattening of the sacred.” We talk about control, queering binaries, resisting “simple and neat” stories or explanations, and relaxing into our entanglement with the world and each other. Holding the tensions of paradox are a necessary skill. Bayo talks about the necessity of making way for grief, what he calls “the vocational project of touching loss,” and the possibility of decorating these wounds as a way of making sacred.    We also explore topics of justice, fugitivity, bodies as becomings, and explore some musings on how Bayo learned to think in these unique ways. We also speak about the beauty of bewilderment. There’s so much richness in this conversation! We hope you can relax certain parts of your mind and grow as you listen to Bayo “shock you into noticing the world differently.”    You can listen to our first conversation with Bayo in 2018 here: The Light Longs for the Dark: A Conversation with Bayo Akómoláfé - Embodiment Matters

A Mythic Response to Our Times   In this profoundly deep and freewheeling conversation we cover so much soulful ground. We begin with one of our favorite topics that Michael Meade has been teaching on for years: Your innate genius. He tells of the origins of his teaching about genius with severely at-risk youth, and about how in honoring our unique genius we are all equal, across race, class, and other categories. We also explore the ancient notion that “the genius hides behind the wound,” made popular by Carl Jung; and the fact that for so many during these intense times, core wounds are activated, which means genius is nearby.    We explore the perspective of these times being one of initiation that can awaken us to ourselves, our gifts and wounds. Michael speaks about the function of community in initiation, what he’s learned over 35 years of studying and creating rites of passage. Micheal explains that while we are in a big time of “not knowing,” the soul knows exactly what this is in terms of initiation. Michael says we’re being called to new levels of humanity; to seeing one another as our home; and to the possibility of protests being rituals. Michael also speaks about the rituals that happen at his men’s retreats where the central part is opening the wounds of the culture with honest talk between men from widely diverse backgrounds; and the healing that comes from making a ritual of what happens.    Michael also talks about the second half of the African proverb, “It takes a village to raise a child,” which states, “If the young people aren’t welcomed into the village, they will burn it down just to feel the warmth,” and how we are seeing this happen now around the US and beyond.    We explore the topic of soul and Michael’s emphasis on the fact that if we want the world to change, it has to start in the human soul. We also weave a beautiful thread speaking to elders, deceased writers, people we revere - and the ways their souls are still reverberating in the world today.    Michael also discusses the importance of transformation in these times - that we must schedule that which is not working before building the new or returning to “normal.” He also elucidates beautifully the returning interest in rites of passage today. We also explore reimagining education, healthcare, politics; the way everyone’s genius is called forth by the times; and we end exploring the meaning of “apocalypsis” which is not the end of times, but collapse and renewal as we see in the model of the natural world.    What a wild and wise ride we had!! We hope you enjoy listening as much as we did.    Michael has a new live online series coming up which we highly recommend, and he’s offering our listeners a discount.  Read more below:   Thursday, July 2 6:00 pm – 7:30 pm Pacific Time - Rites of Passage: Collective and Individual Friday, July 106:00 pm – 7:30 pm Pacific Time   - Die Before You Die Friday, July 17 6:00 pm – 7:30 pm Pacific Time  - The Pathless Path Each 90-minute event includes story, poetry and a Q&A session. Events can be purchased separately for $20 or at the discounted price of $49 for the full series.   EMBODIMENT MATTERS PODCAST LISTENERS SAVE 20% ON FULL SERIES: Use discount code EMBOD20 at checkout You can register here: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/shop/#!/Paths-of-Initiation-Live-Online-Series/p/208520033 Series registration includes HD audio and video recordings of all events Michael Meade, D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He has an unusual ability to distill and synthesize these disciplines, tapping into ancestral sources of wisdom and connecting them to the stories we are living today. He is the author of Awakening the Soul, The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny: The Two Agreements of The Soul, Why the World Doesn't End, The Water of Life: Initiation and the Tempering of the Soul; editor, with James Hillman and Robert Bly, of Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart; and editor of Crossroads: A Quest for Contemporary Rites of Passage. Meade is the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit network of artist, activists, and community builders that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.   You can listen to our earlier podcast conversation with Micheal here: https://embodimentmatters.com/mythic-by-nature-a-conversation-with-micheal-meade/

Hello, listener friends! We’re delighted to share with you our most recent conversation with our dear friend and mentor, Francis Weller, psychotherapist, soul-activist, and author of the life-changing book The Wild Edge of Sorrow, as well as a newly released book of essays which we discuss in this interview. It is titled: In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty and is available for free or by donation on his website. https://www.francisweller.net/store.html In this episode, recorded on May 26th, 2020, we jump right into discussing our current global circumstances as what Francis calls a Rough Initiation. We explore Francis’s suggestions for responding to overwhelm: self-compassion, turning toward our feelings, being astonished by beauty, and having patience. We explore what Francis calls growing an apprenticeship with sorrow, and the possibility metabolizing our sorrows into something medicinal for soul and for community. Francis speaks to a powerful quote from  Human biologist Paul Shephard, that states, “The grief and sense of loss, that we often interpret as a failure in our personality, is actually a feeling of emptiness where a beautiful and strange otherness should have been encountered.” We explore this beautiful and strange otherness and so much more. We are sure you’ll enjoy this beautiful conversation as much as we did. Many thanks to Francis for sharing his words and wisdom so generously. 

We had such a lovely and enlivening conversation with beautiful Brooke McNamara, who is a gifted poet, dance-theater artist, zen monk, teacher and mama, and whose poetry we ADORE. In this conversation, we talk about embodiment as a line between suffering and wellbeing. We explore many topics including ensoulment, the importance of creative process for its own sake, about parenting during this time of climate crisis, and so much more. And of course, we asked Brooke to read poetry from both of her books. It’s stunning! Brooke has practiced intensively in the Integral Zen lineage of Diane Musho Hamilton, Roshi (who we interviewed in season one of our podcast) and she is empowered as a Dharma Holder. Brooke has also taught at Naropa University in Yoga Studies and at the University of Colorado, Boulder in Dance. She serves as co-director of Eunice Embodiment, an organization that offers cutting edge dance-theater performances, movement education, and creative practice labs and retreats for the community. Brooke's first book, Feed Your Vow, was published in 2015. Her brand new book of poems, Bury the Seed, is a book for anyone seeking connection. It will be released in February 2020. She lives with her huge-hearted husband, two adorable, wild sons, and Bengal kitty in Boulder, CO. Of her new book, Bury the Seed, Mirabai Starr writes, “This is feminine wisdom at its most luminous – radically accessible, urgently sensual, clear as snowmelt and grounded as a grandmother oak. Goddess save us from another self-important self-help book. Brooke McNamara’s poetry is a bell: wake up; give thanks; leave nothing out.” Don’t miss this fabulous conversation! You can find out more about Brooke, purchase her books and sign up for her newsletter and more at http://www.brookemcnamara.com

Oh friends, this is such a rich conversation that I’m thrilled to share with you. I (Erin) had the great pleasure of speaking with award-winning writer, Dr. Sharon Blackie, whose written work and online courses I’ve adored over the past several years. She’s the author of several books including If Women Rose Rooted, The Enchanted Life, and her latest, Foxfire Wolfskin. She’s an internationally recognized teacher whose work sits at the interface of psychology, mythology, and ecology. You can find out more about Sharon’s work including her new online membership program called This Mythic Life, and sign up for her enchanting newsletter and podcast at https://sharonblackie.net In this conversation we explore such rich territory including embodiment, Sharon’s use of the word “bodyfulness” (as distinct from mindfulness), myth, story, becoming available to the dreaming of the Earth, restoring and restory-ing our landscapes, connecting with ancestral traditions, being in relationship with our calling (distinct from our vocation) and so much more, including Sharon’s challenging her fear of flying by learning to pilot a Cessna! I also asked her to tell us a story and she reads one of my very favorites from her recent book, Foxfire Wolfskin, which left me with goosebumps and clapping loudly. I am so excited to share it with you!