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Reality 2.0

Author: Katherine Druckman and Doc Searls

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Join Privacy and Open Source advocates, Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman, as they navigate the new digital world, covering topics related to digital privacy, cybersecurity, digital identity, as well as Linux and open source and other current issues.
44 Episodes
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman, and Petros Koutoupis talk social media regulation and its relationship to journalism and the threat to Section 230. Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman, and Petros Koutoupis discuss the evolution of podcasting vs. radio. Show Notes: 00:00:57 Please subscribe to our Newsletter - a reminder :) 00:01:35 Radio vs Podcasting, is it like Godzilla vs Bambi? 00:06:51 What makes podcasting so accessible? 00:20:27 Where we host our podcast and a shoutout to 00:41:27 "Linux is free if your time has no value" --Jamie Zawinski 00:45:08 Scotch time, beer o'clock, or Blursday... Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Dr. Augustine Fou about his privacy analysis app, Page X-Ray, ad tracking, and data privacy. Show Notes: 00:02:17 Page Xray and Blacklight 00:07:27 While you interact with one web page, who else is harvesting your information? 00:14:13 Listen to which tracker Katherine used for about 10 minute, and promptly removed! 00:15:57 What is malvertising 00:18:55 What about the browser extension privacy trackers? 00:25:54 Who should use PageXray? 00:32:30 What are some good consumer tools? 00:42:26 What is "fingerprinting" and how does a site "fingerprint" you? 00:48:21 Covering your "privates" 00:51:32 Marketers are chasing the shiny object called Digital 00:53:26 what is the ratio of registered domains vs websites vs humans visitors vs real ad impressions? Special Guest: Dr. Augustine Fou.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman, Kyle Rankin, and Petros Koutoupis talk about Amazon's new flying camera, ad tech, and The Social Dilemma. 00:01:27 The spying based advertising business is on it's way out 00:05:55 The Amazon's April fools joke that is now a product 00:12:14 Doc's issue with 'Alexa' listening to you all the time 00:15:09 California's CCPA 00:16:14 Kyle's perspective on the Amazon drone 00:21:36 Scale of mass surveillance 00:30:28 Facial recognition 00:34:12 Katherine is looking for some good news... 00:35:58 Normalization of fear mongering 00:40:05 When can a company legitimately collect your personal information 00:41:12 What do regulators really hope to do 00:42:32 Lets talk about "the movie"... Special Guests: Kyle Rankin and Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Kyle Rankin and Petros Koutoupis about TikTok and who controls your phone. Notes: 00:00:37 The new contraband - TikTok 00:04:34 Is the US wanting to "play" China and censor? 00:08:19 Will this become an ugly precedent? 00:15:37 We're concerned about the implementation of this ban 00:17:25 The Social Dilemma on Netflix 00:21:11 Your phone is your castle 00:33:10 Defining the harm from mere content 00:44:59 Final thoughts - Portrait mode video 00:48:20 How does a visually impaired person use a phone? See link. Special Guests: Kyle Rankin and Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman, and Petros Koutoupis talk about Amazon's Alexa for landlords program. Show notes: 00:00:23 For starters, let's begin with Normalization of Surveillance. 00:50:00 Amazon Alexa for landlords. 00:10:15 Is this really jus another way to discover new markets? 00:19:03 Doc the mechanic?! 00:27:49 If you're young do you really not care about privacy? 00:30:49 A couple of things that will clue people on privacy, are: Health data, and political issues Link mentioned: Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman and Petros Koutoupis talk remote work, survival, and Facebook. 00:04:09 The three key subjects we're discussing 00:05:41 First subject - Remote work 00:17:41 Covid19 forced remote work, but Petros misses one thing in particular 00:23:24 The increasing disparity between people who can and can't work remotely 00:32:24 Scott Galloway 00:39:30 Moving onto Facebook 00:40:07 Katherine didn't use Facebook until she started WHAT?! 00:44:51 Facebook wasn't designed or built to fully account everything it does. 00:51:04 What is the big wake-up call Apple is sending out? These people have left big cities for good. Here's where they landed Facebook’s fatal flaws - Doc Searls Send your feedback to Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Katherine Druckman and Doc Searls talk to Kyle Rankin of Purism about Digital Convergence. Links mentioned: Show notes: 00:00:32 Today we're talking about the idea of Convergence 00:04:36 Green on black Linux is COOL! --Kyle R. 00:07:01 The realization of adaptive design and how do others handle it 00:10:28 Law enforcement can subpoena your iCloud content straight from Apple 00:12:55 The fundamental problem Apple and Goole have according to Kyle 00:15:17 What is the hassle developers are already living with??? 00:21:53 What do people really want? 00:27:23 Doc is using metaphors to make an interesting point 00:37:12 You can't lock users to use only your product 00:40:36 The advantages of open source 00:42:21 Steve Ballmers key to success 00:49:26 Would you give your child a single non-trackable device "To rule them all"? 00:53:59 Digital parenting advice all parents need to understand! 00:57:25 The difference between parental control and eliminating the trail 01:00:33 How do you address your own and child's privacy when "forced" to use digital tools you disagree with 01:06:07 The "Digital Consent" Special Guest: Kyle Rankin.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman continue their conversation with Dave Huseby, Hyperledger ('s Security Maven, about user sovereignty and decentralization, open source culture, cryptography, respectful technology, and more. For more about Dave's projects, keep an eye on: Show notes: 00:01:27 The importance of individual sovereignty, autonomy, independence, liberty etc. 00:03:50 Linus doesn't take s#!t off of anybody... 00:06:15 The legislative power shifts 00:11:30 Wizards vs Moguls vs Geeks, who leads the way?! 00:15:03 "Garage Engineering", it's a thing... 00:20:00 Dave's take on passion vs. paycheck 00:21:41 Passion projects 00:31:03 Challenging the power structure, divorcing traffic from it's originators and recipients 00:33:21 Going into cryptography 00:36:54 Social rituals that Facebook has totally F'd up 00:41:32 "Second Life" 'nuff said... 00:43:30 So what are we going to do with that information??? 00:46:49 Dave's new project and stepping out of the shadows 00:54:10 The motto is "Respectful Technology" 00:56:20 What is the harm in non-user sovereign systems (01:06:46 The Jocks vs Nerds paradigm) 01:07:25 The "Earn-it" act Special Guest: Dave Huseby.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman and Petros Koutoupis talk to Dave Huseby, Hyperledger ('s Security Maven, about User Sovereignty and Decentralization, Hyperledger, blockchain and security. Special Guests: Dave Huseby and Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Bruce Schneier ( about contact tracing, digital identity, hacking, privacy, and regulation. Show notes: 0:00:25: Contact tracing apps 0:02:31: Contract tracing false positive and false negative 0:04:24: Contract tracing apps adoption rate 0:07:36: Katherine agrees apps should build more trust 0:11:44: The 2nd anniversary of the GDPR 0:13:31: Bruce talks about his RSA presentation about the notion of hacking 0:15:26: Katherine dove tails hacking into contact tracing 0:18:24: Hacking discipline around SSI (Self Sovereign Identity) 0:19:08: Should we need proof of immunity or carry an immunization card/immunity passport? 0:23:28: Do the people we entrust to regulate our tech even understand it? 0:29:10: Should we give the FBI digital forensic capabilities? 0:32:24: Katherine wonders if our cellphones are at all secure 0:36:33: Doc ponders the future of travel 0:38:18: Bruce predicts we're in the midst of a major system reset 0:46:49: The political divide between the way people digest information 0:49:36: Bruce: "Truth wins because it actually conforms to reality." Links: Bruce Schneier on COVID-19 Contact Tracing Apps ( Contact-tracing apps are not a solution to the COVID-19 crisis ( Special Guest: Bruce Schneier.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Robert Douglass of ( about self-hosting collaboration tools, and other current privacy topics. Show notes: 0:00:54: Introduction to a couple of tools 0:02:04: Doc's take on Zoom. 0:05:13: A lot of what we do online is not especially private. 0:06:33: Apple and Google and contact tracing. 0:09:00: Healthcare is a B2B insurance business. 0:11:15: Health information and advertising. 0:13:04: Convenience versus privacy. 0:13:26: SaaS products and convenience, Facebook, Apple. Concerns of the individual versus the concerns of the many. 0:15:46: The inevitable part where we go dark. 0:16:02: We're in the weirdest moment in modern civilization. 0:20:36: Radio, Internet, Television and Trump. 0:22:21: Bill Gates. 0:23:45: SaaS collaboration tools and privacy. 0:27:20: Who can you trust with your data, especially during a pandemic among questionable actors. 0:28:00: Mattermost 0:30:23: NextCloud 0:31:07: Jitsi 0:33:19: Cost differences. 0:38:31: ideology and dogmas way easier than real life, right? 0:39:23: Edward Snowden and Signal. 0:40:35: Signal vs. What's App. 0:41:20: Self-hosting and technical skill. Privacy trade-offs. 0:44:17: Apple watch. 0:45:12: Pragmatism. 0:46:58: Zoom and security scrutiny. 0:50:54: Facebook, privacy, and politics. 0:55:29: Facebook vs. Google. 0:56:36: Zoom scrutiny and appeal. 1:02:11: Conferences, air travel, climate change. 1:08:07: COVID innovation. 1:11:23: Stay home, be safe, deploy Mattermost and wash your hands. Special Guest: Robert Douglass.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Kyle Rankin, Petros Koutoupis, and Shawn Powers about the new realities we're facing as a result of COVID-19. Show notes: 0:04:08: How is this situation a little bit different from what we're used to? 0:04:36: E-learning 0:06:00: Shawn on e-learning and computer-based training. 0:08:09: Kids without computer or internet access. 0:11:31: What is lockdown? What’s on the horizon? 0:14:14: Remote work, how to do it well. 0:16:22: What can distributed open source software teams teach everyone? 0:17:35: This is not normal right now. Don’t judge remote work. 0:18:56: The chicken suppression system's working. 0:25:12: Asynchronous communication, time zones. 0:27:19: This plague may be elevating the Big Bad companies. 0:30:21: Ethical and privacy concerns. 0:35:20: Should harvested data be used to save lives? 0:37:29: Apple privacy 0:37:49: Fourth amendment concerns. 0:39:11 Facial recognition. 0:43:12 Law enforcement and Clearview AI. 0:44:12: What is the step too far? What are the unintended consequences? 0:44:44: Local vs. large scale communication. 0:47:03: Shawn is hopeful. 0:49:05: Innovation in the works. 0:52:45: Return to normal? 0:55:52: Small business. 0:57:16: Shawn’s bidet. 0:57:34: What happens to conferences? 1:02:33 DrupalCon and #vanlife. 1:07:58 Shawn: Wash your hands. Special Guests: Kyle Rankin and Petros Koutoupis.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman speak with Damien Riehl and Noah Rubin from the All the Music project, (, a project that has machine-generated all possible melodies and released them to the public domain. We discuss music copyright in the digital landscape and musical math and humanity. We highly recommend watching Damien's TEDx Minneapolis talk here: Get the code ( Notes: [01:15] Introduction to All the Music Project [03:50] How do you see it put to use? [06:20] How were the melodies discovered? [08:00] copyright law and alternate arguments. [9:30] discussion of public domain works [11:00] Discussion of Damien’s TEDx Minneapolis talk. [13:00] Copyright, un-copyrightable, and public domain [14:30] How can/should people contribute to the project? [19:00] How have people responded to this digital music copyright project? [23:00] Notable music copyright lawsuits [28:00] Should data be propertized? [32:00] How should copyright work in a digital world? [39:00] Creative commons [46:00] Tracking rights, data flow [52:00] Technical discussion and contribution Special Guest: Damien Riehl.
Doc Searls and Katherine Druckman talk to Kyle Rankin, CSO of Purism (, about mobile phones, their security and privacy vulnerabilities, and Purism's new Librem 5 ( device. Special Guest: Kyle Rankin.
Katherine Druckman and Doc Searls talk to Don Norman, one of the world's most influential designers, about data privacy, the cult of Apple, hero complexes, and climate change. Special Guest: Don Norman.
Doc Searls, Katherine Druckman and Petros Koutoupis discuss the Open Source Cloud landscape, weigh in on Open Source communities and contribution, and open multiple beers. Petros tells us how he really feels about systemd. Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Katherine Druckman, Doc Searls, and Petros Koutoupis talk about ownership, freedom, and convenience in the digital world. Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
Katherine Druckman and Doc Searls talk to Kyle Rankin, Purism ( CSO, about Ring doorbells and consumer privacy. Links: Here's How Amazon's Ring Doorbell Police Partnership Affects You ( Police can get your Ring doorbell footage without a warrant, report says ( Amazon’s Ring Is a Perfect Storm of Privacy Threats ( Amazon's Ring camera raises civil liberties concerns: U.S. senator ( Special Guest: Kyle Rankin.
Katherine Druckman, Doc Searls and Petros Koutoupis talk to Chris Davis of about his Arduino-based Altair 8800 replica kits. Links mentioned: Going Retro with an Altair 8800 Emulator: Introducing the Altair-Duino ( Special Guest: Petros Koutoupis.
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