Guardians Of The Flame Podcast

Borderlands is a monthly event where we create a warm hearted space in a Belfast pub for music and reflection on the most pressing issues facing our societies today. The conversation is led by the voices of musicians, activists, civic leaders and artists. This was our Advent event where our theme was Hope. Alan McBride works to advocate for those who lost loved ones in the Troubles in Northern Ireland. His own wife was killed in the Shankill bomb in 1993. He spoke about a book he is compiling about grassroots redemptive stories that emerged from the horror of the Troubles. Denise Bradley works for Corrymeela in the area of Marginalisation. She works with refugee communities and advocates for the victims of Gender Based Violence. Music is from Andy McClenaghan who plays a couple of songs he has written for Borderlands. Also we have two members of Na Leanaí, Fra Sands and Sorcha Turnbull playing some trad tunes and seasonal songs. We hope you enjoy this glimpse into a brave space for sacred stories. Borderlands is an event run by a small collective. Guardians Of The Flame works to record these kinds of voices and events and uses the audio skill of Fra Sands and the filming and editing skills of Josh Eaves.

Brian McLaren is an author, activist and theologian. His many books and his public speaking have been an important resource for Christians seeking a more inclusive faith, a generous orthodoxy. Brian has a pastoral voice that is both challenging but also can be nurturing to those who have been hurt by their experience with faith. In this interview Corrymeela’s Public Theology Programme Manager Jonny Clark raises questions about Brian’s latest two books Faith Beyond Doubt and Do I Stay Christian.

Dave and Jill Hines work for the Methodist church in south Belfast, in an area called Ballynafeigh off the Ormeau Road. They are imagining what a new community could look like in the most ethnically diverse part of a city not famed for it’s diversity. Before this they lived in India for 8 years and dreamed up ways to build up a Community Development NGO in Calicut and Ooty in Kerala and Tamil Nadu in south India. Before that they developed an award winning cafe in Belfast called Common Grounds and were part of leading a church called City Church Belfast. Throughout their marriage they have found a way to build fires of community while being schooled in the tradition of Wesley, Brennan Manning and Amy Carmichael. They bring a perpetual bright eyed idealism with open arms of embrace to everyone, all the time. In many ways they epitomise the idea of being Guardians of the Flame. Dave and Jill are lifelong friends of Jonny and Jenn Clark and it was a privilege to create space for them to tell their story.

Borderlands is an experimental attempt to create space for people from within the Christian faith tradition and those outside. It is trying to be a safe place at a time when many people are looking for spaces of gathering, belonging and a faith that speaks of doubt as well as hope, of values as well as belief. Fr Martin Magill is a parish priest in Belfast who is also the co-founder of the Four Corners Festival among many other projects. Fr Martin is a passionate activist for reconciliation in our divided society. In spite of his very public voice, he is someone who embodies the best of the priestly vocation, the capacity to express vulnerability, devotion and to value the individual in front of him. Jonny Clark interviews Fr Martin about everything from his unique interest in Belfast street names to the vocation of being a priest. Notably Jonny discussed with Fr Martin the funeral of Lyra McKee which he spoke at. Lyra was an LGBTQ+ activist and also journalist who was tragically killed by dissident Republican paramilitaries in April 2019 in the city of Derry/Londonderry. Fr Martin in his sermon, powerfully challenged our perpetually gridlocked local political leaders with words acknowledging the gestures of unity and reconciliation after her death but asking “why…in God’s name…does it take the death of a 29 year old woman with her life in front of her to get to this point.” These were some of the most powerful public words we have heard in a long time in Northern Ireland. They received a standing ovation in St Anne’s Cathedral and in living rooms all over the country. Fr Martin was creating a Sacred Space, which was the theme of our Belfast-based event, Borderlands that night. Borderlands meets on the second Tuesday of every month, usually in the Pavilion Bar and is described as a Brave Space for Sacred Stories.

Borderlands is an experimental attempt to create space for people from within the Christian faith tradition and those outside. It is trying to be a safe place at a time when many people are looking for spaces of gathering, belonging and a faith that speaks of doubt as well as hope, of values as well as belief. Azadeh Sobout is someone we could describe as both an academic and an activist. But her words have a quality that leave the listener feeling that they are listening to a mystic. Azadeh is an Iranian Muslim who speaks here movingly on the theme of “Sacred Space” for our Belfast-based event Borderlands. Borderlands meets on the second Tuesday of every month, usually in the Pavilion Bar and is described as a Brave Space for Sacred Stories.

Borderlands is an experimental attempt to create space for people from within the Christian faith tradition and those outside. It is trying to be a safe place at a time when many people are looking for spaces of gathering, belonging and a faith that speaks of doubt as well as hope, of values as well as belief. Jenn Clark has spent a life time helping people feel that they belong. She is an expert at making people laugh, leading spaces of community and serving people through food. She is also a storyteller. This is a story she wrote around the theme of “Sacred Space” for our Belfast-based event called Borderlands. Borderlands meets on the second Tuesday of every month, usually in the Pavilion Bar and is described as a Brave Space for Sacred Stories.

Borderlands is an experimental attempt to create space for people with different labels. Many who come and organise the event come from within the Christian faith tradition, Catholic and Protestant. But it also is for those who are from the borderlands of faith. It’s a space that seeks to welcome and include the presence and voices of those outside the belief tradition of Christianity. It is trying to be a safe place at a time when many people are looking for spaces of gathering, belonging and a faith that speaks of doubt as well as hope, of values as well as belief. The event typically includes reflections, stories, music and discussion on the public issues facing our society. In November we included 3 people sharing and 2 musicians. The musicians were Maria Nickolay and John McGrath. In addition Jenn Clark, Azadeh Sobout and Fr Martin Magill spoke.

Live from Belfast in June 2022, Borderlands is a monthly event of music, activism, community and reflection, at the intersection of art, justice, reconciliation and faith. Jason Miller is a brilliant pastor from South Bend City Church in Indiana. He paraphrased the Beatitudes in his own words, connecting them to the Holyland where he read them with new eyes, and to our context here in Belfast.

Live from Belfast in June 2022, Borderlands is a monthly event of music, activism, community and reflection, at the intersection of art, justice, reconciliation and faith. Kathleen Gillespie was held at gunpoint while her husband was turned into a human bomb by the IRA in a horrific attack on the British army on 24 October 1990. Anne Walker was in the IRA until leaving and finding her way years later into a peace building workshop that involved telling real stories. Through that she met Kathleen and the two became great friends despite their very different pasts. Today they tell their stories all over, inspiring people to be agents of peace and change in the world. This event was held on the annual Day of Reflection where all communities are encouraged to remember together the pain of the Troubles.

Live from Belfast, Borderlands is a monthly event of music, activism, community and reflection, at the intersection of art, justice, reconciliation and faith. From our Borderlands event back in June, Ramy Taleb tells his story of spending five years in Belfast, Northern Ireland and then moving back to Lebanon to start a peace building charity there called Al Shabiba Risala, which focuses on educating an emerging generation of Lebanese on Reconciliation and Peace.

This interview includes some of the most gruesome details we’ve recorded in any of our podcasts because they relate to crimes against humanity in war. If ever we would want there to be a Guardian of the Flame of humanity it would be in a court of law when dealing with horrific crimes against the most vulnerable human beings alive today. Justice Teresa Doherty is a remarkably courageous woman who speaks in this interview extensively about a brave career devoted to the rights of the most vulnerable on this planet. It was a privilege to interview Justice Doherty who has served around the world in law and in Northern Ireland in the early days of the Troubles. In recent years she has written some of the most landmark legal opinions which have had ripple effects on cases all over the world, particularly related to the rights of women and girls in wars. In this interview she also spoke of her upbringing as a Catholic girl in pre-civil rights Northern Ireland and of her time in Papua New Guinea. Towards the end of her career she has presided over the Special Court for Sierra Leone which sentenced Liberian warlord Charles Taylor, the first sitting head of state to be convicted of war crimes. The most significant decisions she wrote were related to Gender Based Violence and in particular key opinions on sexual slavery and an opinion on forced marriage as crimes against humanity. She also wrote a definition of the use of a child in conflict as a crime against humanity which was followed afterwards by the International Criminal Court.

Sami Awad is a remarkable Palestinian Christian, an activist and a passionate believer in the power of nonviolence as a strategy to combat oppression and injustice.   The Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to fester and become more intractable. Sami is an inspirational voice that provides real hope and a third way. His organisation is the Holy Land Trust and his talks and articles can be found in many places online. He has spent a night in an Auschwitz hut in an effort to find empathy for those who are his natural enemies, and he has led nonviolent actions around the West Bank protesting the actions of the Israeli military and the policies of the Israeli government.

This podcast originally took place as a live stream recorded on 23rd January. It is a really important conversation on faith and sexuality with a dear friend of ours, John Herron.   John was a pastor in a conservative Pentecostal church for many years, he underwent so called “reparative therapy” which left him no less gay, but all the more isolated and living in a place of shame. That all changed when he was outed and faced rejection and abandonment from his church.    This is a beautiful and powerful story of love conquering religiosity, shame and judgement. Mercy triumphs over judgement and John is a living testimony of that.

Bertie Ahern is the former Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland. In his role leading the Irish government from 1997 he built relationships with the then new British PM Tony Blair and with the political leaders in Northern Ireland. He played a monumental role in paving the way for the Good Friday Agreement which brought a final peace to the 30 years of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. During our conversation we spoke about Bloody Sunday. This interview is being released just before the 30th January which is the 50th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Bertie Ahern was playing Gaelic Football in Drumcondra on the north side of Dublin on the day it happened. But 26 years later in 1998 he was ushering in a lasting peace in Northern Ireland. Every Prime Minister will leave a legacy domestically and in foreign policy. For us living north of the Irish border Bertie Ahern was one of the most positively consequential leaders. In this interview he speaks of how he became friends with the late Ian Paisley, the firebrand Protestant preacher and politician. We also spoke about deep challenges facing us in the present day by Brexit which Bertie Ahern recognises as a disaster for Ireland. Peace has come in Ireland as grassroots individuals, victims and former combatants have chosen the way of peace. But political leaders have ultimately also paved the way for the peace we enjoy today by being able to make difficult and at times controversial agreements. We have a lot to thank Bertie Ahern for as we reflect on the post-Troubles society we enjoy today.

Pádraigin Ní Uallacháin is a singer-songwriter as well as an academic. She has worked with the likes of celebrated Irish poets Seamus Heaney and Ciaran Carson and has sung and recorded with many Irish folk musicians. She has recorded her own original songs as well as uncovering in her research ancient songs and putting them to music. This is a wide ranging interview where we touch on both her music, her life and career as well as spirituality in Ireland. She also sang a few songs from some of her research and albums. This interview was recorded in the Holy Cross Abbey in Rostrevor. The monks from the Benedictine Abbey kindly let us use their church which is a perfect backdrop for Pádraigin’s beautiful and poignant voice. Pádraigin is a national treasure and is another signpost to an Ireland that treasures it’s mystical past but in a way that transcends sectarian and religious divides. Her work can be found at www.irishsong.com

Brother Thierry is one of the Benedictine monks from the Holy Cross Abbey in Rostrevor. It is a community of Brothers who came to Northern Ireland to be a presence of reconciliation in the midst of our ongoing religious and ethnic conflict. In normal years thousands come through their doors and just about as many Protestants come to sit at the feet of these holy men as Catholics. They truly are peace makers and their roots go deep. The spirituality of Benedictines is rooted in prayer and silence. We recorded an interview with Brother Thierry early on in our podcasts and it was a conversation full of depth and wisdom. So we wanted to record Brother Thierry on film. We touched on both the depth of Benedictine spirituality and also the residue of mistrust about institutional religion and the Catholic Church in Ireland and in much of the West. This is a warm hearted interview with a man who embodies fortitude, grace and wisdom. These gifts plus a life of prayerfulness offer a way of looking at the world that is perhaps a signpost pointing towards our true home.

Bruce Cockburn is a world renowned singer/songwriter who has been recording albums since 1970. Among his many awards Bruce has been inducted into the Canadian Hall of Fame and has sold millions of albums worldwide. This podcast was recorded in a very basic format on Bruce’s daughter’s iPhone. The video is obviously not to our usual standard and a Zoom connection limited our ability to make the audio as perfect as normal. Nevertheless we managed to record a really interesting conversation. Bruce spoke of conflict and faith. He spoke of his concern with much of American Christianity, but he also spoke of being welcomed into a church with open arms and unconditional acceptance. He has recently released a few new songs as a video demo in conjunction with his church San Francisco Lighthouse. The songs can be found at https://youtu.be/5ly1fKZa_lQ If you like our podcasts and YouTube videos please like us and rate us on iTunes or wherever you listen. We would love to raise our financial support levels so we can start working on our next documentary. You can support us monthly via Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/guardiansoftheflame

Liam Ó Maonlaí is probably best known as lead singer for the Hothouse Flowers, one of the biggest bands in Ireland in the 90’s, and still loved today. As a band they are still producing music and Liam continues to collaborate with the band and with all of Ireland’s best musicians today. Liam is passionate about the Irish language, his songs are steeped in a mystical spirituality, particularly Songs From The Rain. In this interview we hear not only the story behind some of the songs but he also plays 5 beautiful stirring versions. He plays a song from Songs From The Rain, he plays a completely apt song for the Covid times we are in called Worry Not, also a hauntingly beautiful song that can be used in a Catholic mass written by Seán Ó Riada, and a Sean-nos song. Sean-nos is a very traditional way of singing Irish traditional music. All of this, as well as Liam’s exceptional musicianship and his contemplative spirit gives this interview a unique feel.

Seán Farren has been a local politician in Northern Ireland for over 40 years representing the SDLP. He has much to say about Brexit and the prospects of a lasting peace in Ireland. He is also the chairman of the new foundation that is honouring and building on the legacy of Nobel Peace Prize winner John Hume, the John and Pat Hume Foundation. One of the books Seán has written was “John Hume: Irish Peacemaker” (2015) and indeed Seán was in the room in Clonard Monastery when secret talks were begun with John Hume and Gerry Adams in 1988. Ten years later in 1998 these talks undoubtedly can be seen to have paved the way for the end of thirty years of civil conflict and the robust peace we have lived with in Northern Ireland since 1998’s Good Friday agreement. In this interview we focus a lot on John Hume who passed away in the summer of 2020 and hear Seán’s reflections on this man who became a giant of peace in this land. John Hume said “Difference is of the essence of humanity. Difference is an accident of birth and it should therefore never be the source of hatred or conflict. The answer to difference is to respect it. Therein lies a most fundamental principle of peace: respect for diversity.” This is an interview with a man who has lived through our conflict in the north of Ireland and someone who has played his part in bringing peace here too.

Richard Moore was blinded by a plastic bullet after being shot by a British soldier in Derry. This was 1972, Richard was ten years old and it was just weeks after Bloody Sunday where one of his uncles was killed. Since that time Richard has become something of a modern day saint. I remember hosting him two years ago in Rostrevor and being so blown away by what I heard. That day he quoted his friend the Dalai Llama: “we as humans have spent centuries developing the human mind, but we need to start to work on developing the human heart”. Richard is a down to earth man who is not used to complaining. He speaks in this interview, not about his lust for vengeance, but of his compulsion to forgive. In fact he speaks of developing a friendship in later life with the soldier who blinded him. This former military man did not initially say sorry. In fact it took him years. Finally he seemed to give in to the weight of mercy he was shown and expressed a “sorry” for what he had done to a 10 year old boy running through a school playground at Rosemount Primary School. Despite a lifetime of blindness Richard speaks of only a few times he dwelt on the sadness of losing his sight. He says he will often show a picture of his two girls to audiences he is speaking to. He says “you’re doing something I’ll never be able to do: you’re looking at my girls.” He then went on to talk about the gift of forgiveness, how it can’t change the past but how it can change the future. He has developed a charity “Children in Crossfire” which has impacted the lives of countless children around the world. This is an episode of profound hope in the midst of tragedy.