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Everyone has a story. Life can be crazy, and sometimes life hands you something that you never asked for or could never see coming. In the classroom called "life," we are under the false illusion that the formula of "2+2" would always yield the "correct" answer of "4." Sometimes it works out that way, but when it doesn’t, it’s a total bummerama.
We can't make any promises, nor do we have a magic wand that we can wave over you to make it all go away, but we can promise real stories of people who are struggling too. And, because neither of us know how to tell stories without having some fun at the same time, we're going to throw in a few laughs along the way.
So, if you feel isolated, discouraged, or embarrassed by a life circumstance, or, even none at all, hang out with us and hopefully you won't feel so alone. And if you're at all curious about how vomit, a blue man, a bar of soap and the number #25 in a toilet can possibly be topics of our conversation, we welcome you into our craziness.
And who knows? Perhaps you may discover that "your" answer to "2+2" leads you to the very places that you would never have gone to alone...
Peace Out,
Sarah and Courtney
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“Grace Wu” Part 2 See what we did there with the whole rhyme-thingy? Anyhoo, today we pick up right where we left off in Grace’s Part 1 interview. In this episode, Grace continues to share her experience of losing her son, John, and offers helpful advice to both mothers and those seeking to support them on how best to navigate this heartbreaking journey. Spoiler Alert: We’re pretty sure we impressed you with our rhyme above. Unfortunately, we didn’t include any in this episode. ...
"Grace Wu" Part 1 Let’s see... there’s "Joy," "Peace," "Patience," "Kindness..." and then there’s our dear friend, Grace. Not only does her name fit her perfectly, but if you could somehow make her name longer (longer than standardized tests have enough boxes for), it might look something like this: "Gracejoyhumblepatientkindamazingwonderfulgoodlistenerfriendmomwifementorgoodexample..." followed by her middle name (which we don’t know) and then her last name, "Wu." Even with that extend...
"Kristen Bennett" Some things just weren’t meant to go together—like orange juice and toothpaste, a morning person and someone who can’t stand one, Tom and Jerry, or high heels on an icy sidewalk… but we digress. Thankfully, there are combinations that do blend well, without any risk of disgust! Think ice cream and chocolate sauce, strawberries and cream, or butter and popcorn… but again, we digress. Today, we’re excited to welcome Kristen Bennett! She’s like the ketchup to her husband Jess’...
"Becca Larson, Nancy Musser, and ?" We’re back, we’re back, we’re back, we’re back! We know, that’s a bit redundant, so we will "try" to tone it down when we tell you about our two amazing, amazing, amazing guests! Today, we’re talking about “Mothers of Multiples…Multiples…Multiples…” and we’re pretty darn honored that Nancy and Becca would sit down for a few minutes and share what it’s like having twins! And just when you thought you couldn’t add one more, you’re also going to hear f...
"Paige Reitano" Turn those frowns upside down because we’re back with SEASON 2—WOOHOO! We’re super excited to kick it off with our favorite red-headed friend, Paige Reitano! (Not that you’d actually “know” she’s a redhead since you don’t get to “see” her, but, hey, we thought it was a notable distinction). In this episode, Paige shares her struggles and emotions about raising a child with ADHD and a mental health disorder and that sometimes, when things get overwhelming, you just...
“Becca Strand” In this episode, our friend Becca Strand shares her journey through the world of performing arts, a story that resonates with many of us who have pursued our passions with determination and grit. Have you ever accomplished everything you wanted, only to find it wasn't as perfect as expected? Becca understands. From her humble beginnings in a small town to her international success, she has faced the highs and lows of her career with honesty and vulnerability. Join us as...
“Derek Frazier” Transitions, huh? Have you ever found yourself in one of those moments where you're like, "What just happened?" Even when you see it coming, it can feel like trying to tackle a running back who's zigzagging all over the field. (We’ve never done that, but it sounds like it might be a majorly difficult thing to do.) Well, it just so happens that we’ve got a real game-changer for you today. Our guest is none other than Derek Frazier, Assistant Offensive Line Coach (we're not quit...
“Debby Thompson” What if your '2+2 Is Chicken' meant going undercover to communist Poland and living a double life? On today’s episode, Debby Thompson, author of “Pulling Back the Iron Curtain,” sits down with us and takes us back in time to the year 1977 when she, her husband, and their infant daughter made the courageous decision to leave behind all they had ever known in the U.S. only to gain everything by following God’s call to a foreign land. Spoiler Alert: Not on this o...
"Emmalee Smith" On today’s episode, we have the privilege of speaking with Emmalee Smith, who, despite facing the numerous challenges of being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis (MS), shines as the BRIGHTEST ray of sunshine we've ever encountered (so much so that we had to keep our solar eclipse glasses on for this interview)! It hasn't been easy, nor has it ever been, but Emmalee shares genuine insights on how one can live with chronic pain AND, at the same time, find joy along...
"Charlie Sasser” Have you somehow allowed your past mistakes to define you? If you have NEVER, EVER, EVER done that, we salute you. But just in case you’ve ever let words such as "failure," "worthless," "stupid," etc., speak louder than the truth, this episode just might resonate with you. So, we were really glad that our courageous, humble, and inspirational friend Charlie Sasser chose to be vulnerable with us. In this episode, Charlie shares with us about a time in which ...
“Rob Shepherd Jr. " Some may call it nepotism, but we’re calling it awesome. In today’s episode, pastor, husband, father of twins, author, and, MOST importantly, Sarah’s younger brother, Rob Shepherd, shares, from a husband’s point of view, what it was like for him and his wife to struggle with infertility. It’s a candid and insightful retelling from a man’s perspective, and we’re so grateful that he chose to open up with us. We give this interview an enthusiastic 'four thu...
"Jen Pollock Michel" We're still pinching ourselves!!!! Today, award-winning author, speaker, coach for aspiring writers, wife, mother, mentor, and friend, Jen Pollock Michel, stops by to talk with us! In this episode, Jen walks us through what it's like for her and her family to care for her mother, who suffers from Alzheimer's. She also shares insights about the disease itself and offers advice on how to support those who are caring for a loved one in any capacity. Spoiler Alert! The...
“Sarah Burggraf” WHAT THE WHAT? Our very own, Sarah Burggraf is in the house! In this episode, Sarah discusses what it was like to go through her divorce as well as how to encourage others who have found themselves in a difficult relationship. Spoiler Alert: If you're discouraged by your own dating life, or perhaps your "past" dating life, Courtney shares her own "dating mishap" that will most likely make you feel a lot better about yourself and your own questionable choices. Send us a text
"Michelle Moore" We couldn’t find a sweeter, more genuine, braver, friend, mother, cancer-survivor than Michelle. We are so thankful that she chose to share her story for the first time with us. Michelle walks us thru her battle with cancer as well as offers insight and hope for those that are suffering. Spoiler Alert: Her life isn’t going the way she had planned… Send us a text
“Robert Shepherd” We’re celebrating our first episode AND the fact that we actually get to kick our podcast off with a celebrity! We were so fortunate to be able to take a few minutes of his time (pre-2024), and hear about his path to becoming an actor who now has over 100 movie credits to his name! Spoiler alert, his path didn’t quite go the way that he had planned… And, as promised, here is the link to his book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L56G748?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud...
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