Face to Face Podcast

Today we sit down and have a compelling conversation with Chuck DeGroat, a licensed therapist, spiritual director, and author of six books including 'Leaving Egypt'. Chuck shares his journey of emotional and spiritual transformation, the significance of vulnerability, and practical exercises for achieving a deeper sense of safety and connection. Special topics include insights on the Immanuel Approach, Understanding Trauma courses, and the challenge of maintaining genuine vulnerability within leadership roles. Don't miss this insightful episode filled with practical steps for lasting freedom and meaningful relationships.   00:45 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Courses 01:57 Introducing Our Guest: Chuck DeGroat 03:38 Chuck DeGroat's Background and Family 06:22 Discussing Chuck's Books and Writing Journey 07:56 The Journey of Healing and Self-Reflection 13:11 Understanding Trauma and Inner Healing 16:33 Challenges of Leadership and Vulnerability 19:41 Narcissism and the Path to Transformation 27:38 Sympathetic Storm: A Personal Journey 28:41 Character Formation and Personal Growth 29:24 The Slow Process of Bearing Fruit 30:42 Navigating Midlife Crises 32:01 Embracing Vulnerability and Self-Compassion 33:56 Befriending Our Inner Parts 47:52 Embodied Practices for Healing 51:09 Resources and Final Thoughts

In Episode 175 we share part two of our enlightening discussion with Bishop Chris Green. This episode covers significant topics such as understanding trauma, the role of suffering in life, and the differences between tenderness and vulnerability. Chris provides profound insights into how one's view of God affects their emotional responses and emphasizes the importance of leaning into our humanity and finite nature. The episode also underscores the importance of embracing one's unique way of experiencing God, whether as a 'sea' or a 'cup,' and finding peace within that framework. Additionally, we highlight the Understanding Trauma course available at Immanuelinstitute.com. 00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:33 Episode 175: Part Two with Bishop Chris Green 01:00 Understanding Trauma Course Announcement 01:53 Diving Back into the Conversation with Chris Green 02:00 Theology and Tenderness: A Deep Dive 11:02 The Role of Suffering in the Christian Life 18:37 The Illusion of Control and Embracing Weakness 26:05 Healing, Isolation, and Theological Anchoring 32:47 Final Thoughts and Benediction 38:58 Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content

Welcome to episode 174 of the Face to Face Podcast, hosted by Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little. We are excited to share with you an in-depth conversation with theologian and professor Chris Green, discussing the interplay between theology and everyday life. Chris Green shares his journey into theology, influenced by scholars like Stanley Hauerwas and Robert Jensen. Our discussion shifts to the role of theology in daily life and the importance of aligning head knowledge with heart experience. Chris also delves into his latest book, 'All Life Comes From Tenderness,' exploring the necessity of sensitivity and tenderness for a fulfilling faith and life. The episode concludes with a teaser for part two and appreciation for the listeners. Tune in for an enriching dialogue on living with authenticity and understanding through theology. 0:03 - Introduction and Welcome  0:54 - Announcements and Updates 3:02 - Introducing Chris Green 3:59 - Chris Green's Journey into Theology 10:25 - The Role of Theology in Daily Life 14:47 - Constructive and Public Theology 24:47 - The Importance of Tenderness 51:15 - Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful discussion with Dr. Baxter Kruger. We explore the significance of union with Jesus, practical ways it manifests in daily life, and how to recognize Jesus' presence in everyday actions. Our conversation also highlights upcoming events and courses from the Immanuel Institute that delve deeper into cultivating a closer relationship with Jesus. Dr. Kruger shares profound stories and joyful revelations, emphasizing the importance of embracing one's inherent connection with Jesus and viewing life through the lens of this union. 00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Events and Announcements 02:35 Introduction to Dr. Baxter Kruger 02:45 Understanding Union with Jesus 04:07 Practical Examples of Union 05:04 Jesus' Presence in Daily Life 07:53 The Role of Faith and Delusion 13:57 The True Gospel and Identity 14:22 Jesus' Teachings and Miracles 18:20 The Simplicity of Walking with Jesus 23:03 Final Thoughts and Homework 24:11 Understanding Darkness and Light 24:37 Baby Steps and Love 25:07 Creativity and Divine Gifts  25:37 The Journey of Awakening 27:21 Union and Non-Duality  29:32 Hearing God's Voice 31:02 Facing Pain and Finding Jesus 36:03 The Power of the Gospel  42:13 Resources and Recommendations 46:04 Final Thoughts and Gratitude  

Join us for an intriguing conversation with theologian, Dr. Baxter Kruger as he delves into theological discussions about the nature of God's love, the significance of the Trinity, and the purpose of creation. He challenges traditional Western Christian doctrines, advocating for a more beautiful gospel centered on love and unity with God. The episode encourages listeners to re-examine their beliefs and embrace a more profound relationship with the Divine 00:00 - 02:14: Introduction and current travels 02:15 - 06:33: Upcoming Immanuel Approach training details 06:34 - 07:40: Background on guest Baxter Kruger 07:41 - 12:00: Kruger's theological discussion on the Trinity and nature of God 12:01 - 16:30: Significance of God's love and purpose of creation 16:31 - 23:49: Jesus' actions and divine submission during the crucifixion 23:50 - 35:12: Interpretation of biblical passages and deeper theological insights 35:13 - 44:30: Faith, repentance, and knowing God intimately 44:31 - 52:45: Challenges to traditional Western Christian doctrines 52:46 - 1:09:10: Experiencing and describing God's love in everyday life 1:09:11 - 1:20:00: Final reflections and invitation to re-listen

Join us for a powerful episode of the Face to Face Podcast as we sit down with Dr. Margaret Nagib, a clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience, to explore the integration of faith, psychology, and nervous system healing. Discover how trauma responses shape our lives, why nervous system regulation is foundational for emotional and spiritual health, and practical steps for moving from survival to wholeness. Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome & Introduction 00:29 – Broadcasting from Lake Tahoe & Upcoming Courses 02:38 – Introducing Dr. Margaret Nagib 03:22 – Dr. Margaret's Background: Integrating Faith & Psychology 05:42 – The Evolution of Christian Psychology & Inner Healing 09:35 – Mind, Body, Spirit Integration Explained 13:22 – The Role of the Nervous System in Healing 18:23 – Why Nervous System Work is Trending 21:14 – Understanding Trauma Responses: Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn 24:11 – Real-Life Examples: People-Pleasing & Fawn Response 27:00 – How to Recognize and Shift Out of Trauma Responses 31:00 – Practical Tools for Regulation & Completing the Stress Cycle 35:00 – Recognizing Long-Term Patterns & Building Capacity 39:00 – The Foundation of Nervous System Work Key Topics: The integration of faith and psychology in healing How trauma responses (fight, flight, freeze, fawn) show up in daily life The importance of nervous system regulation for lasting change Practical tools for recognizing and shifting out of survival states Dr. Margaret's personal journey and resources Connect with Dr. Margaret Nagib: Instagram: @margaretnagib Website: thedunamisproject.org If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a five-star review and visit facetofacenetwork.com for more resources!

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Suhail Stephen, exploring how the Enneagram can deepen spiritual formation and self-understanding. We discuss the Enneagram's origins, its nine personality types, and how it helps us recognize both our strengths and areas for growth. Suhail shares personal insights and practical ways the Enneagram can foster compassion, freedom, and more authentic relationships—with God, others, and ourselves. Learn More at: writingisprayer.com 00:00 - Welcome & Introduction 00:29 - Show Begins, Guest Introduction 00:55 - Announcements: Dash Away & Trauma Course 01:41 - Transition to Enneagram Topic 01:52 - Suhail on Spirituality & Enneagram 02:14 - Cathy's Enneagram Story 02:58 - Suhail: Enneagram's Impact & History 05:19 - Christian Perspective on Enneagram 08:00 - Suhail's Personal Enneagram Experience 10:32 - Triads & Undercurrents Explained 13:37 - Cathy & Melinda Discuss Their Types 15:13 - Suhail: What the Numbers Mean 16:58 - Triads: Shame, Anxiety, Frustration 18:45 - Compulsions & Avoidances 19:41 - Melinda: Resistance to Labels 21:47 - Suhail: Why Use "Undercurrent" & "Compulsion" 23:28 - Melinda & Cathy's Types Explored 24:39 - Cathy's Leadership & Independence 27:50 - Why Self-Awareness Matters 29:03 - Enneagram for Relationships 31:56 - Final Thoughts & Resources 34:15 - Where to Find Suhail 34:58 - Enneagram: Affirming the Good 35:54 - Closing Remarks 36:07 - Outro & Call to Action 36:27 - End  

In this episode of the Face to Face podcast, we engage in a profound conversation with Suhail Stephen, a spiritual director from Manitoba, Canada. We delve into Suhail's multicultural upbringing, his journey into spiritual direction, and the significance of the contemplative Christian tradition. We also discuss practical steps like the Daily Examen and the role of a spiritual director in deepening one's spiritual experience. Suhail shares his personal experiences and insights, making this episode a valuable resource for anyone interested in authentic spiritual growth and connection with God.   00:28 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 01:50 Meet Our Special Guest: Suhail Stephen 06:30 Suhail's Journey and Cultural Experiences 12:54 Exploring Spirituality Across Cultures 22:45 The Path to Spiritual Direction 24:49 Understanding Spiritual Direction 26:02 Personal Journey with God  27:52 First Encounter with Spiritual Direction 28:52 Discovering the Call to Spiritual Direction 30:39 Training and Becoming a Spiritual Director 37:02 The Contemplative Tradition 46:40 Practical Steps for Spiritual Growth 50:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In Part 2 with Jessie Cruickshank, we discuss deeper connections and meaningful relationships through the lens of Identity Formation Theory. Our conversation covers various phases of human and spiritual development from infancy to adulthood, highlighting how our understanding of ourselves and God evolves.  You will be invited to explore phases of growth, the importance of autobiographical memory, and the concept of deconstruction in faith. This rich discussion provides insights for anyone interested in emotional and spiritual maturity. Learn more at whoology.co.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:28 Upcoming Events and Opportunities 01:03 Immanuel Institute Programs 01:35 Understanding Trauma Course 02:28 Identity Formation Theory: Phases 0 to 1 04:13 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 2 08:57 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 3 13:08 Deconstruction and Faith Transitions 20:15 Phase 4: Owning Your Faith 23:18 Organizational Dynamics and Faith 30:15 Phase 5: The Dark Night of the Soul 40:08 Petty Doctrinal Issues in Modern Faith 40:31 Understanding Phase Five in Spiritual Growth  42:27 The Role of Community in Faith Transitions 43:20 Elder Stage and Teaching Teenagers 44:40 Navigating Spiritual Direction Schools 46:26 Fear and Control in Religion 48:22 Creating Safe Spaces for Questions 50:51 The Journey of Identity Formation 59:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement 01:04:54 Autobiographical vs. Semantic Memory

E167 - Jessie Cruickshank - Part 1 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development In this episode, we introduce Jessie Cruickshank, a neuro-ecclesiologist with a background from Harvard. We discuss the concept of identity formation, delving into various phases of human development based on a theory Jessie evolved from Fowler's stages of faith development. The episode covers infancy and toddler stages, emphasizing the importance of naming and identity in the early years. Jessie shares insights on how our experiences shape our perception of self and God. We have compelling conversation on the significance of naming children and how it impacts their identity and faith journey.   00:28 California Vibes and Upcoming Events 01:25 Dash Away and Immanuel Institute Announcements 04:24 Introducing Jessie Cruickshank 05:13 Jessie Cruickshank's Background and Journey 14:32 Neuro Ecclesiology and Organizational Psychology 19:08 The Art of Connection: Sales Techniques and Attunement 21:01 Exploring Identity Formation Theory 22:44 The Journey of Faith Development 24:41 Introducing Identity Formation Theory 27:06 The Role of Caregivers in Spiritual Development 34:13 The Importance of Naming and Identity 37:52 Helping Others Discover Their True Identity 42:31 Conclusion and Next Steps

In this episode, we continue our deep conversation with Australian guest David Tensen. David shares a provocative viewpoint on decentering God from one's life and discusses the symbolic concept of the Trinity as a non-centralized entity. We explore notions of deep spiritual maturity, deconstruction of religious belief systems, and the importance of eldership. The episode further discusses how to experience personal transformation through retreats like Dash Away Weekends and closes with a reflective poem by David. The overarching theme emphasizes the importance of embracing unity with Christ, letting go of dogmatic constructs, and finding freedom in spiritual growth.   00:28 Episode 166: Part Two with David Tensen 01:15 Upcoming Dash Away Weekends Retreat 02:32 David Tensen on Decentering God 04:37 Understanding Union with God 11:31 The Concept of Panentheism 14:07 Deconstruction and Decentering in Faith 19:12 Maturity and Letting Go of Constructs 22:58 Navigating Personal Beliefs and Open-Mindedness 24:47 The Role of Love and Guidance in Healing 25:18 Decentering the Need for Change 26:40 The Impact of Social Media on Judgment and Arguments 29:37 Companioning and Grieving 32:58 Embracing Mystery and Uncertainty in Faith 35:45 The Value of Diverse Perspectives 37:41 Closing Reflections and Poetry 39:47 Final Thoughts and Farewell   To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

In this episode, we discuss important shifts, including the transition from 'Face to Face Ministries' to 'Face to Face Network'. We had an excellent conversation with David Tensen, an Australian philosopher, teacher, chaplain, and poet, known for his profound insights into eldering and inner healing. David shares his journey through advanced pastoral care, internal healing methods, and his new book, 'Decenter Everything'. The conversation delves into why decentering is essential, especially the critical distinction between centering God versus our construct of God. David also touches on the Life Model's stages of human development, and the urgent need to embrace eldering in a world stuck in adolescent and early adulthood stages. Tune in for part two to explore deeper into the concept of decentering God.   00:32 Exciting Changes and New Beginnings 01:15 Rebranding to Face-to-Face Network 02:05 The Vision and Philosophy Behind the Network 04:16 Challenges with the Term 'Ministries' 06:48 Upcoming Events and Website Changes 07:29 Introducing Our Guest: David Tenson 10:37 David Tenson's Background and Work 22:53 Reflecting on Ministry and Personal Challenges 23:48 Discovering the Life Model 24:35 Experiencing Burnout and Transitioning to Academia 26:55 Writing and Publishing 'The Wrestle' 27:42 Introducing 'Decenter Everything' 28:29 Exploring the Life Model Stages 32:39 The Concept of Eldering 37:57 The Call to Decenter Everything 40:41 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

Joni us as our conversation takes a deep dive with guest Hannah Ploegstra, an expert on Gen Z, discussing the unique challenges and strengths of this generation. Hannah shares her personal journey of raising four Gen Z children and explains the generational need for deeper relational skills and connection. Emphasizing compassion and the importance of presence, she articulates ways older generations can support and understand Gen Z, highlighting their potential to bring healing and leadership to the world.  The episode concludes with a hopeful message for Gen Z about their essential role and the healing they can bring to society.   00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Episode 164 Kickoff and Updates 00:38 Dash Away Retreat Recap 01:29 Upcoming Events and Trainings 03:02 Introducing Hannah Ploegstra 03:47 Hannah's Journey with Gen Z 06:40 Challenges and Insights on Gen Z 18:08 Gen Z's Struggles with Technology and Connection 25:27 The Role of Maturity in Guiding Gen Z 25:53 Challenges Faced by Gen Z 27:20 Building Relational Experiences 28:45 The Importance of Presence and Support 29:55 Understanding and Connecting with Gen Z 31:30 Practical Steps to Engage with Gen Z 32:51 The Unique Traits of Gen Z 41:54 A Message to Gen Z 45:07 Closing Remarks and Future Episodes   For more information: https://www.brineknit.com/

Join us today on the Face to Face Podcast as we dive into a profound conversation with guest Cyd Holsclaw on the topic of embodiment and spiritual connection. Discover the importance of being in tune with your body, practical exercises to increase body awareness, and how this awareness impacts your spiritual and emotional health. Learn more about the Immanuel Approach, the significance of healthy attachments, and the joy of Jesus' presence in our lives. Don't miss out on valuable insights and practical advice that can transform your relationship with yourself and God. For more info visit: https://www.cydholsclaw.com/ 00:00 Welcome and Introduction 00:32 Updates 01:02 Immanuel Institute Announcement 02:01 Upcoming Events and Registration Details 03:24 Introduction to Cyd Holsclaw and Embodiment 03:39 Practical Ways to Connect with Your Body 07:15 Understanding Attachment and Nervous System 17:13 Building Healthy Attachment with Jesus 22:31 Understanding Healthy Attachments 22:52 Exploring Emotional Landscapes 25:10 The Role of Parts in Spiritual Experiences 31:13 Embracing Emotions as Gifts 37:28 Resources and Final Thoughts      

Join hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little on the Face-to-Face Podcast as they dive deep into the importance of living an embodied life with guest Cyd Holsclaw. Discover the interconnectedness of body, mind, and spirit, and explore how our faith roots in our physical forms. From nervous system regulation to Jesus' incarnation, this episode offers insights on embracing our bodies fully.  00:32 Meet Our Guest: Cyd Holsclaw 00:56 Upcoming Events and Announcements 02:51 The Importance of Living Embodied 04:00 Understanding Embodiment and Faith 12:51 Misinterpretations of Scripture on the Body 16:18 Practical Examples of Embodied Living 21:14 Recognizing Unconscious Patterns 21:49 The Role of Relationships in Self-Awareness 22:39 Imagining Your Ideal Life 23:26 Compassionate Self-Exploration 25:01 Understanding and Honoring Survival Strategies 26:43 The Concept of Parts 34:41 Implicit vs. Explicit Memory 37:09 The Importance of Embodiment 41:38 Conclusion and Upcoming Content For more information or to contact Cyd: https://www.cydholsclaw.com/

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Michael Sullivant who is addressing the pressing issues of church victimization and the celebrity culture within religious communities. Discover practical steps for aiding victims, rebuilding trust, and experiencing genuine spiritual healing through the Immanuel Approach. Learn more about Michael at radiusministries.org   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 03:22 Introducing Michael Sullivant 03:26 Addressing Scandals in Christian Ministries 12:15 Creating Safe Church Cultures 20:52 Embracing Weakness and Finding Strength 21:14 The Rhythms of Spiritual Life 22:03 High Energy Ministries and Nervous System Health 23:42 The Importance of Lament 26:00 Joy and Peace Amidst Sorrow 27:25 Creating Healthy Church Cultures 33:09 Offering Hope to the Victimized 36:24 Resources and Training Opportunities 37:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts    

In this episode, we discuss upcoming Dash Away events and training in the Immanuel Approach, and welcome back guest Michael Sullivant. Michael shares his experiences and thoughts on addressing recent scandals in major Christian ministries, the importance of mental health in discipleship, and how to build safer church communities rooted in humility and agape love. Tune in for an insightful conversation on creating accountable and loving church environments.   Learn more about Michael at radiusministries.org   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:29 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 01:19 Introducing Michael Sullivant 04:58 Michael Sullivant's Journey and Life Model Works 08:55 Understanding Neurotheology 16:44 Addressing Scandals in Christian Ministries 26:46 Creating Safe Church Cultures 35:30 Conclusion   

In this episode, Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little welcome listeners to the new year, 2025, with exciting updates and personal reflections. They discuss the significance of rest during winter, share holiday experiences, and introduce the Immanuel Approach workshop. Instead of a guest, they offer a gift - a group Immanuel encounter to connect more deeply with Jesus. The episode is filled with warmth, joy, and practical insights on spiritual growth.   In today's episode: New Year's Reflections Holiday Highlights Upcoming Workshop Announcement"Is the Immanuel Approach Right for Me?" - Monday, Jan 13th at 1pm ET Live via Zoom Register at immanueltraining.com/register A gift: A group Immanuel Approach Exercise20 Minute Immanuel Encounter led by Melinda

In this episode, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little welcome Katie Skurja, founder of Imago Dei Ministries, for an insightful discussion on the intersection of spirituality, psychology, and inner healing. Katie shares her journey from marriage and family therapy to discovering the transformative power of inner healing. She explains the concept of the "diamond inside" each person, representing innate value and the image of God, and uses metaphors like a peanut M&M to illustrate how shame and outward appearances can obscure this value. Katie delves into her experiences with guiding both believers and non-believers towards understanding their intrinsic worth and the light within them. She emphasizes the importance of seeing through the eyes of Christ to recognize the inherent goodness in others, regardless of their current state or past actions. Learn more about our guest, and Imago Dei Ministries at idmin.org

In this episode your hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little engage in a deep, thought-provoking conversation with Tara Boothby, a registered psychologist and author of 'Love and Love's Energy'. Join us as we delve into the profound connection between attachment theory and Jesus' love. Tara shares her journey from aspiring camp director to psychologist, the importance of emotional awareness, and the concept of 'love energy.' We explore the transformative power of accepting and expressing emotions, and how understanding attachment styles can lead to deeper, more fulfilling relationships with ourselves and others. Plus, Tara offers practical advice on starting your own journey towards self-compassion and emotional health. Don't miss out on this enriching conversation filled with wisdom, vulnerability, and actionable insights that can help you experience true and lasting transformation in your life.