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touch point is a podcast dedicated to discussions on digital marketing and online patient engagement strategies for hospitals, health systems, and physicians' practices. In each episode, hosts Reed Smith and Chris Boyer dive deep into a variety of topics on the digital tools, solutions, strategies, and processes that are impacting the healthcare industry today.
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Recorded on-site at the 2025 HealthCare Internet Conference (HCIC) in Las Vegas, host Chris Boyer sat down with consulting experts Cynthia Newton, Therese Lockemy, and Christine Albert from Solutions Central to discuss the biggest trends shaping healthcare marketing and digital strategy today.
Together, they explore how health systems are navigating rapid change—balancing technology innovation with real-world challenges of collaboration, governance, and growth. The conversation dives into:
Why outside perspectives help organizations see beyond internal blind spots
How cross-department collaboration unlocks smarter, faster decision-making
The role of technology and partnerships in solving core business challenges
Emerging conference themes and what they signal for healthcare marketing in 2025
Plus, the episode wraps up with a special Touch Point Hot Takes segment, where each guest shares their boldest predictions for the future of healthcare digital strategy.
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Cynthia Newton on LinkedIn
Therese Lockemy on LinkedIn
Christine Albert on LinkedIn
SolutionsCentral on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
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AI is no longer just a search companion; it’s becoming a digital negotiator. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how agentic AI and new AI-driven browsers like Atlas and Comet are transforming the healthcare consumer experience.The discussion examines how these emerging tools are rewriting the rules of visibility, consent, and control - shifting healthcare from a web built for people to a web built for machines.
As AI learns to summarize, recommend, and even schedule care, health systems must rethink what it means to be findable, trustworthy, and human in a machine-readable world.Key themes include:
The rise of AI-native browsers and the collapse of traditional web traffic models
Why “find a doctor” tools may soon give way to AI-to-AI scheduling
The privacy and consent challenges of agentic AI scraping data and acting independently
How healthcare organizations can redesign for trust, transparency, and machine comprehension
What it means for brand voice and patient empathy when AI becomes the front door
Mentions from the Show:
Carrie Liken: The Google Checkmate: Has Atlas Sparked the End of the Internet as We Know It?
John Munsell: How AI Browsers Harvest Information Without Your Consent
Accenture: Technology Vision 2024: Human by design
Deloite:. AI in health care: Balancing innovation, trust, and new regs
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
Sources discussed include recent work by Carrie Liken and John Munsell, alongside insights from Accenture, Deloitte, and federal agencies guiding AI ethics and data use.
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In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore what it takes to build a future-ready marketing organization that connects intelligence to impact. They break down why the next phase is about velocity—turning insight into action—rather than visibility alone, and how maturity depends on integration, governance, and access to data.
Then, Priyama Barua of Merge joins the conversation to discuss findings from her latest marketing maturity research. She shares how high-performing health systems operationalize insights, the gaps holding teams back, and what the next three to five years could look like as marketing evolves from a campaign function to a growth ecosystem.
Key themes:
Why speed of learning and action will define the next era of digital marketing
How unified data, AI, and governance reshape marketing’s role in growth
The CMO as ecosystem integrator across brand, access, and operations
Practical steps to move from campaign cycles to continuous learning
Mentions from the Show:
Marketing in healthcare: Improving the consumer experience
Accenture Technology Vision 2024: “Human by Design” Technologies Will Reinvent Industries and Redefine Leaders by Supercharging Productivity and Creativity
PriyamaBarua.com
Priyama Barua on LinkedIn
Merge Marketing Maturity Study: Results and Analysis
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore why traditional healthcare marketing is falling behind, and how focusing on relationships instead of reach may be the only sustainable path forward. They unpack the data showing the industry’s growing gap between visibility and value:
Only 28% of healthcare marketers have a documented content strategy.
65% of patients search online before contacting a provider, yet most health system sites still frustrate or confuse.
Retention costs up to 25x less than acquisition, but most budgets are still chasing awareness.
Chris and Reed discuss how loyalty and lifetime value (LTV) are reshaping the marketing playbook - arguing that connection, not conversion, is the next competitive advantage. They explore what happens when hospitals treat patients as long-term partners instead of one-time encounters, and how CRM, automation, and authentic storytelling can turn engagement into measurable growth.
Key themes of this episode include:
Why healthcare must shift from transactional outreach to relational engagement
How trust and personalization directly influence lifetime value
Practical steps to audit patient touchpoints and measure engagement beyond claims data
Why the future of marketing belongs to teams who build community, not campaigns
Mentions from the Show:
Calculating the Lifetime Value of Review-Generated Patients: The Complete ROI Framework for Healthcare Providers
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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For all the talk about digital transformation, finding a doctor is still one of healthcare’s most frustrating experiences.In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore why access and accuracy remain elusive even as health systems roll out new self-service tools, AI agents, and “digital front door” platforms. The paradox is clear: smarter technology has not simplified the search for care—it has layered complexity on top of broken data. They discuss:
The Paradox of Progress – How healthcare has over-invested in interfaces and under-invested in data accuracy, creating sleek tools built on unreliable information.
The Consumer Has Changed, But Data Hasn’t – Why patients expect instant, personalized access yet still face outdated directories, long wait times, and opaque scheduling systems.
Rebuilding the Foundation – How clean provider data, interoperability, and governance must come before AI orchestration or agentic automation can truly work.
In the guest interview, Morgan Beschle, VP of Product at Kyruus Health, shares findings from a new 2025 study that exposes persistent provider data issues and highlights how consumers are redefining what “finding care” really means in the age of AI.
Mentions from the Show:
Charted: Wait for a doctor's appointment is longer than ever
CMS Contract Year 2026 Proposed Rule
Morgan Beschle on LinkedIn
Kyruus Health
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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As AI becomes more fluent, empathetic, and embedded in communication workflows, healthcare’s relationship with voice, empathy, and trust is being redefined. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore the coming shift where technology mediates the patient experience itself, interpreting emotions, intent, and tone.They discuss:
The Signals – Why early pilots in AI-driven communication are signaling a shift from automation to authorship, and what it means when AI can shape the tone of care.
The Scenarios – Three futures for healthcare: The Empathic Mediator, where AI bridges patients and systems; The Voice Overload, where empathy fatigue sets in; and The Ethical Frontier, where transparency becomes healthcare’s new trust currency.
The Brand Voice Paradox – How AI as both author and amplifier challenges traditional notions of authenticity, and why marketers must move from managing tone consistency to ensuring voice integrity.
In the expert interview, Stephanie Wierwille, EVP of Engagement at BPD Healthcare, shares her perspective on how AI will reshape creativity, communication, and the psychology of trust, and why healthcare marketers must lead this next transformation.
Mentions from the Show:
Stephanie Wierwille on LinkedIn
BPD Insights
The Einstein Divide blog post
Laurin Engle Bobo on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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The era of easy targeting and attribution in healthcare marketing is over. With disappearing cookies, stricter platform restrictions, and growing consumer expectations, health systems are being forced to rethink how they segment audiences, measure ROI, and test emerging channels. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore:
Segmentation in a Privacy-First World – Why CDPs, not CRMs alone, are becoming the foundation for first-party and cohort-based targeting, and how to balance richer signals with regulatory risk.
Measurement in the Age of Proxies – How marketers can use matchbacks, lift studies, and proxy metrics (like click-to-directions or portal logins) to prove ROI when platforms restrict attribution.
Consumer Readiness for New Media – The growing role of CTV, podcasts, and AI-powered campaign tools — and why testing budgets and structured measurement are essential.
In our expert interview segment, Laurin Engle Bobo and Craig Blake from Amsive share insights from the field, including how they help health systems adapt segmentation strategies, measure ROI with imperfect data, and invest in emerging media without falling for hype.
Why this matters today: Healthcare marketers can no longer rely on “easy” targeting and reporting. Success will depend on how quickly they adapt to privacy-first segmentation, faster but defensible ROI proof, and disciplined experimentation in new media channels.
Mentions from the Show:
Amsive blog
Craig Blake on LinkedIn
Laurin Engle Bobo on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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HIPAA is no longer the only rule that matters in healthcare privacy. State laws, FTC enforcement, and even wiretapping lawsuits are reshaping what health systems can and cannot do with data — and AI is adding another layer of complexity. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore:
Beyond HIPAA: How state privacy laws and enforcement actions are redefining what “compliance” means for digital marketing.
Wiretapping lawsuits: Why session replay, chat tools, and pixels are pulling hospitals into new liability risks.
AI oversight: Where AI introduces opportunity in marketing workflows, and where it creates risk in advertising and personalization.
Compliance as differentiator: How health systems can turn responsible AI and privacy practices into trust-building brand advantages.
In our expert interview segment, Jennifer Everett and Jen Pike from Alston & Bird share their legal perspective on HIPAA’s gaps, state law proliferation, FTC enforcement, and what marketers should expect next in AI regulation.
Why this matters today: Marketing leaders can no longer treat privacy as an afterthought. Success will depend on integrating legal frameworks and AI governance directly into digital strategy.
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For years, HIPAA has been the rulebook for healthcare privacy. But in 2025, the real drivers of risk (and opportunity) come from state laws, FTC enforcement, and lawsuits that extend well beyond traditional PHI. In this episode, Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore:
Why state privacy laws are reshaping digital marketing more than HIPAA.
How the marketing funnel is being rewritten, with upper-funnel tactics carrying the highest risk.
Whether health systems should shift back to safer group-based targeting and focus more on owned channels.
How AI fits into this conversation — transformational for efficiency, but potentially dangerous in third-party advertising contexts.
Jeremy Mittler, CEO and Cofounder of Blueprint Audiences, unpacks how state laws are colliding with HIPAA, what enforcement trends are signaling to health systems, and why privacy must be built into every stage of the funnel.
Mentions from the Show:
IAPP US State Privacy Legislation Tracker
HHS OCR Bulletin: Use of Online Tracking Technologies by HIPAA-Covered Entities
IAPP: Key Trends in U.S. State Privacy Law Amendments (2025)
Court Vacates Portion of OCR Guidance Regarding Proscribed Combination
OCR Updates Guidance on Use of Online Tracking Technologies (Mar 2024)
Jeremy Mittler on LinkedIn
BlueprintAudiences.com
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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Health systems are facing a new reality: “do more with less” is no longer a slogan, it is the baseline. With shrinking margins, delayed capital investments, and workforce fatigue, marketing leaders are under pressure to deliver growth and digital progress with fewer resources. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore:
Constraints as the new baseline: why financial pressure, staffing shortages, and stalled capital projects are redefining digital priorities.
Resilience over perfection: how leaders can avoid paralysis by prioritizing impact over effort and sequencing initiatives more intentionally.
The role of AI and efficiency: why digital and AI are high priorities but must be approached with caution, sequencing, and patient-first framing.
Chris Pace, VP Healthcare Industry at SearchStax, shares lessons from his post “When Strategy Meets Reality”, his pivot from Banner Health to the tech sector, and why patient-centered leadership frameworks matter most when resources are tight.
Mentions from the Show:
2025 US Health Care Executive Outlook — Deloitte
2025 Global Health Care Outlook
Digital Transformation Investment Gaps — McKinsey
Costs of Caring Report — AHA
2025 Workforce Scan — AHA
GenAI in Healthcare Trends — McKinsey
Chris Pace on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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Health systems have long promised to “break down silos,” but are marketing, IT, and clinical teams finally being forced to collaborate in meaningful ways? In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how consumer expectations, ROI pressures, and enabling platforms are reshaping what patient engagement really means:
From Silos to Systems – Why joint governance across marketing, IT, and operations is no longer optional, and how access- and flow-aware campaigns help avoid wasted spend.
Measuring What Really Matters – Why CTRs and impressions aren’t enough, and how marketers can prove ROI with metrics that tie directly to booked appointments, care-gap closure, and clinical outcomes.
The Role of Emerging Tech – How AI, programmatic media, and CRM platforms are influencing engagement strategies—when they deliver value, and when hype gets in the way.
They’re joined by Sam Seering and Josh Taranto from Epic Systems, who share how Epic’s CRM and Campaigns tools are supporting closed-loop outreach, practical ROI measurement, and the real-world lessons health systems are learning as they navigate consumer expectations and new technologies.
Mentions from the Show:
Deloitte: 2025 global health care outlook
Achieving Hospital-wide Patient Flow
The role of personalization in the care journey: An example of patient engagement to reduce readmissions
Becker’s Health systems’ ROI on generative AI
To help improve the accuracy of generative AI, add speed bumps
Epic Systems
Implementation Guide for Linking Digital Marketing to Appointments
Sam Seering on LinkedIn
Josh Taranto on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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Healthcare marketers are navigating a landscape where martech is both exploding in scale and under pressure to prove its value. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore the latest shifts shaping the future of healthcare marketing and technology:
The rise of autonomous systems – moving from pilots to practical tools that reshape operations and engagement.
Human–machine collaboration – how AI copilots, wearables, and adaptive systems are augmenting—not replacing—marketing teams.
Scaling challenges – balancing infrastructure, talent, and regulatory realities in the age of compute-heavy GenAI workloads.
Personalization as strategy – why advanced targeting and AI-driven tools remain a growth lever for healthcare organizations.
Guest experts Kathy Divis and Mike Schneider from Greystone.net, share insights from their work with health systems across the country, and preview what’s ahead at the upcoming Healthcare Internet Conference (HCIC). Give it a listen and learn how marketing leaders can stay ahead of martech trends while preparing for the next wave of innovation.
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https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/the-top-trends-in-tech
https://www.deloittedigital.com/nl/en/insights/perspective/marketing-trends-2025.html
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5460663-generative-ai-zero-returns-businesses-mit-report/amp/
https://www.williamflaiz.com/blog/marketing-ops-vs-revops-vs-martech-what-s-the-difference
Kathy Divis on LinkedIn
Mike Schneider on LinkedIn
Healthcare Interactive Conference
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
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Behavioral modeling is reshaping how campaigns are built, measured, and optimized, moving us from broad strokes to precise strategies that drive measurable impact. Hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how healthcare organizations can adapt to this shift:
Why behavioral modeling changes media planning, creative strategy, and workflow collaboration.
Moving past CTRs to metrics that align with business outcomes like patient lifetime value and conversion quality.
How to personalize without crossing the “creepy” line and losing consumer confidence.
The role of modular content, analytics partnerships, and executive education in making this shift stick.
Tim Duer, VP of Data Analytics & Strategy at Causeway Solutions, shares his team’s work helping health systems apply behavioral modeling to marketing and communications. He provides best practices, lessons learned, and practical guardrails for building campaigns that are both precise and trustworthy.
Mentions from the Show:
Unlocking the next frontier of personalized marketing
Targeted Marketing Best Practices
Tim Duer on LinkedIn
CauseWaySolutions.com
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how marketing and communications teams can adapt their digital content strategies for a future where search behavior is fragmenting and more patients are turning to generative AI tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Bing Copilot instead of traditional search engines. They also discuss how AI models often cite structured, well-answered content from trusted sources and how to adapt the format and structure of content matter as much as the message.
Guest expert Martha Van Berkel, CEO and co-founder of SchemaApp, shares how health systems can use schema markup and structured data to improve visibility across emerging search platforms and which schema types have the highest impact for healthcare. If your digital team is still optimizing only for Google’s blue links, this conversation will help you prepare for the new reality where getting found means thinking beyond SEO, and building for a world where AI answers first.
Mentions from the Show:
How To Win In Generative Engine Optimization (GEO)
SEO vs. AEO vs. GEO: Key Differences & Optimization Strategies in 2025
Google still leads, but Gen Z and AI are reshaping search behavior: Survey
Has The Helpful Content Update Impacted SEO Content?
How AI Is Changing Medical SEO
Martha Van Berkel on LinkedIn
SchemaApp.com
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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Consumerism is impacting all health systems but does this mean the same thing in the same way to academic medical centers, urban hospitals, and rural health systems? Reed Smith and Chris Boyer unpack the growing tension between what patients want and what different types of health systems are built to deliver. From broadband gaps in rural markets to brand-driven loyalty in AMCs, they explore whether “digital transformation” really means the same thing in each context—and what happens when strategy drifts from mission. Later, Chris sits down with Andy Chang, Chief Marketing Officer at UChicago Medicine, who shares how his team is driving consumer-centered digital strategy within the complexity of an academic medical center. It’s a candid look at how one system is adapting to a consumer world, without losing sight of what makes it unique.
Mentions from the Show:
2025 US health care outlook - Deloitte
2025 Trends in Hospitals and Health Systems
Exploring Disparities in Urban and Rural Healthcare Markets: A Closer Look at PRC’s National Consumer Study Data
Andy Chang on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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As the martech stack continues to evolve, health systems are facing a growing challenge: how to balance enterprise-grade safety and security with the performance demands of modern digital marketing. In this episode, hosts Reed Smith and Chris Boyer tackle that tension head-on, exploring what transformation really looks like when your tools, teams, and tactics need to evolve simultaneously.In the first segment, Reed and Chris unpack the deeper implications of today’s marketing technology decisions. From navigating compliance constraints to reconsidering the value of “speed to campaign,” they ask whether risk tolerance is becoming the silent killer of innovation. In the second segment, they explore how martech fragmentation, misplaced analytics, and slow procurement cycles are creating structural disadvantages for health systems trying to compete on digital experience.To bring in real-world perspectives, this episode includes audio highlights from a recent live panel moderated by Chris Boyer, featuring Aaron Mauck, Tom Armitage (MVP Health), and Raj Venkata (Align). The panel shares unfiltered insights about aligning legal and marketing, moving beyond vanity metrics, and making martech decisions that actually drive transformation.
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Aaron Mauck on LinkedIn
Tom Armitage on LinkedIn
Raj Venkata on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
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Health systems are increasingly asked to make decisions based on data, but not all research is created equal. In this encore episode, hosts Reed Smith and Chris Boyer revisit the essential differences between market research and marketing research—clarifying how each plays a distinct role in informing healthcare strategies.
They’re joined by Steve Koch of Cast and Hue, who offers a deeper dive into qualitative research methods, including the strengths and limitations of focus groups versus 1:1 interviews. Together, they explore how empathy-driven research can uncover powerful insights that help organizations align their messaging, experiences, and offerings with real patient and consumer needs.
Mentions from the Show:
Original episode: https://touchpoint.health/podcast/tp394-gaining-insights-into-market-research/
Market Research: An Important Investment For Long-Term Viability
Cast & Hue
Focus Groups Vs. Interviews: Which Approach Provides Richer Insights?
Steve Koch on LinkedIn
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how adopting a product thinking mindset—one rooted in user-centered design, continuous iteration, and outcome-driven strategies—can help healthcare marketers close usability gaps, collaborate cross-functionally, and build digital experiences that evolve with patients’ needs. With nearly half of users reporting frustration with digital health tools, this shift isn’t just timely—it’s necessary.
Guest Brad Muncs, VP of Strategy at Symetris, joins to share real-world lessons on moving beyond the redesign cycle and treating websites, portals, and campaigns as living products. He walks through how this mindset drives business alignment, improves speed to market, and builds digital maturity in step with operational and clinical priorities. From KPIs that matter to frameworks that work, this conversation unpacks why product thinking is becoming the go-to approach for health systems aiming to lead, not lag, in digital transformation.
Mentions from the Show:
The four pillars of product thinking
Healthcare Should Look to Other Industries to Drive Digital Transformation, J.D. Power Says
Shifting To A Product Mindset Can Make Your Digital Product Thrive
Who really owns your website?
The Power of Proactive Website Evolution
Service page about evolution and product approach
Brad Muncs on LinkedIn
https://symetris.com/en
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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From clinical burnout to back-office understaffing, health systems are navigating a complex workforce reckoning. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith explore how digital technology is being positioned as a lifeline—but question whether we're applying it in the right ways. Rather than viewing automation and AI as quick fixes to fill vacancies, they challenge the industry to consider how tech can be used to fundamentally rethink the design of work itself.
Together, they unpack where digital solutions are truly easing operational strain and improving care, and where they risk simply reinforcing broken systems. Drawing on examples from health systems rethinking job design, and recent studies highlighting employee disengagement and workforce fatigue, the conversation zeroes in on what it really means to build a tech-enabled workforce in 2025. This episode skips the hype and goes straight to the operational heart of one of the industry’s toughest challenges.
Mentions from the Show:
Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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With all of the emphasis lately on developing digital experiences, it’s often overlooked that the customer experience transcends online and offline touchpoints. In this episode, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith discuss the concept of a hybrid CX approach, integrating offline and online experiences, and the role AI has in supporting the new customer journey. Ian Lindsey from Cerecore joins to discuss the important role the call center agent has in improving the overall PX.
Mentions from the Show:
Younger Generations are Feeling FatigueHybrid CX: Integrating Offline and Online Experiences SeamlesslyBowstring.tv
Customer Experience in the Age of AI
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ebook Diagnosing Your Health System’s IT Support Desk - explaining how to use service level metrics to uncover hidden costs, increase user satisfaction and efficiency
Cerecore support assessment (at no cost and no commitment) to discover where to begin gaining greater efficiency in IT support
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Reed Smith on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer on LinkedIn
Chris Boyer website
Chris Boyer on BlueSky
Reed Smith on BlueSky
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