Inevitable

Charlie Nitschelm is the co-founder and CEO of Uplift, a company building affordable, rapidly deployable temporary housing. Uplift’s first product is a 90-square-foot, off-grid home designed for one to two people that can be transported fully assembled, placed with a standard forklift, and self-level without a foundation or skilled labor for deployment.In this episode of Inevitable, Nitschelm explains how his experience at SpaceX and Starlink, followed by an intensive period of studying homelessness, poverty, and other social challenges, led him to think about housing as a problem that could benefit from a fundamentally different architecture. The conversation explores how Uplift is designed to work immediately after deployment, including its approach to power, water, sanitation, connectivity, and remote monitoring. Nitschelm also discusses the company's manufacturing ambitions and its potential applications in workforce housing, disaster response, global shipping, ADUs, and affordable housing developments.Episode recorded on September 15, 2026 (Published on September 29, 2026)In this episode, we cover: (0:00) An overview of Uplift(1:38) Charlie’s path from SpaceX and Starlink to Uplift(3:57) Learning about homelessness, poverty, and other social challenges(8:22) Why housing needs a fundamentally different architecture(12:00) Why eliminating skilled labor is central to Uplift’s design(16:49) Forklift deployment and off-grid utilities(23:33) Starlink, solar power, and building a connected fleet(25:03) Applying car manufacturing principles to housing(28:07) Workforce housing and infrastructure projects(32:16) Why disaster housing can take months to deploy(34:12) Global shipping, ADUs, and affordable housing applications(37:04) “Speed to sleeping” and the economics of temporary housing(39:58) Uplift’s manufacturing ramp and the path to HUD approval Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review! Share feedback or suggest future topics and guests at [email protected] with MCJ:Cody Simms on LinkedInVisit mcj.vcSubscribe to the MCJ Newsletter*Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant

Michael Thomas is the founder and CEO of Cleanview, a data and research platform tracking more than 10,000 clean energy projects and thousands of data center projects across the country. Back for his third appearance on Inevitable, Thomas has spent the past year investigating the explosive growth of AI infrastructure and the increasingly extreme measures companies are taking to get power online.In this episode of Inevitable, Thomas explains how the AI boom has transformed the data center market and why companies are increasingly building their own power generation rather than waiting years for grid interconnection. He breaks down the rise of off-grid and “behind-the-meter” data centers, including xAI’s Colossus, Meta’s rapid-deployment data centers, and Amazon’s massive natural gas project in Texas.The conversation also explores the economics driving the race to power, the environmental and political backlash against data centers, and whether building gas generation today will accelerate or undermine the transition to cleaner energy. Thomas shares what his research reveals about electricity prices, water use, local pollution, and the growing public distrust of Big Tech.Finally, Thomas discusses the tension between AI growth, U.S. competitiveness, and climate goals—and why he sees providing objective information about these projects as one of the most important roles he can play.Episode recorded on September 2, 2026 (Published on September 16, 2026) Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review! Share feedback or suggest future topics and guests at [email protected] with MCJ:Cody Simms on LinkedInVisit mcj.vcSubscribe to the MCJ Newsletter*Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant

Alan Cooper is co-founder and CEO of ON.energy, a Miami-based company building battery-backed power systems for AI data centers. Its flagship product, AI UPS, sits between the grid and a data center, creating a buffer that isolates the grid from the massive volatility of AI workloads while providing uninterrupted power to the entire campus. In this episode of Inevitable, Cooper explains how a career spanning oil and gas, geothermal, battery storage, and grid services ultimately led to ON.energy's focus on AI infrastructure. He breaks down why gigawatt-scale AI data centers create a fundamentally different challenge for the grid, and how ON.energy's series-connected battery architecture can act as an electrical "firewall" between the grid, onsite generation, and the data center. The conversation explores ON.energy's evolution from a battery storage project developer into a technology company, its proprietary hardware and software stack, and the role of power controls in making massive data center projects more resilient and easier to interconnect. Cooper also discusses the company's path to market, extensive technical validation, business model, and largely bootstrapped approach to growth. Finally, Cooper argues that data centers don't have to be a liability for the grid. With the right infrastructure and regulatory framework, he believes they can become active grid participants—and potentially make the energy system more robust. Episode recorded on August 26, 2026 (Published on September 8, 2026). In this episode, we cover:  (0:00) An overview of ON.energy (2:24) Alan's background in oil and gas, geothermal, and battery storage (5:57) Alan's perspective on Venezuela and enhanced oil recovery (10:35) How the 2014 oil crash led to ON.energy (12:25) ON.energy's evolution from battery storage developer to technology company (15:32) Traditional BESS vs. AI UPS (16:15) How AI UPS creates a buffer between the grid and data centers (17:20) Why AI data centers create unique challenges for the grid (20:16) Using AI UPS with onsite generation and off-grid power (21:41) How ON.energy can simplify data center interconnection (23:14) ON.command and the importance of software controls (24:15) ON.energy's proprietary hardware architecture (25:35) Building supply-chain certainty at massive scale (27:25) ON.energy's path from resiliency projects to AI infrastructure (29:03) Battery storage as the "Swiss army knife" of the electric sector (30:01) Technical validation at the Department of Energy's Flatirons Campus (31:56) ON.energy's business model (34:31) Why AI's large-load problem is here to stay (35:52) AI training vs. inference and the future of data center infrastructure (38:12) Why AI infrastructure can create American jobs (39:27) Building ON.energy through bootstrapping and disciplined capital allocation (41:48) Turning data centers into grid assets Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review! Share feedback or suggest future topics and guests at [email protected] with MCJ:Cody Simms on LinkedInVisit mcj.vcSubscribe to the MCJ Newsletter*Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant

Siva Yellamraju is the co-founder and CEO of Fourier, a company building modular, on-site hydrogen systems for long-duration energy storage and distributed hydrogen production. Fourier’s approach combines lithium-ion batteries for short-duration needs with hydrogen storage for longer durations, packaged into a single system designed to operate like a microgrid. In this episode of Inevitable, Yellamraju explains why hydrogen has long been considered promising for multi-day, seasonal, and even multi-year energy storage, but has struggled because of the cost and complexity of transporting it. He argues that producing hydrogen where it is needed can remove that transportation challenge and unlock a different cost curve for long-duration storage. The conversation explores Fourier’s modular “hydrogen blade” architecture, its first storage deployment in Gujarat, India, and the growing demand for alternatives to diesel generators as data centers require increasingly large amounts of backup power. Yellamraju also discusses why levelized cost of storage matters more than round-trip efficiency, India’s potential role in energy manufacturing, and his transition from software and data centers into building physical energy infrastructure. Note: Fourier is an MCJ portfolio company. Episode recorded on August 5, 2026 (Published on September 1, 2026). In this episode, we cover:  (0:00) An overview of Fourier (1:33) Why hydrogen could work for long-duration energy storage (4:12) Why centralized hydrogen production creates a transportation problem (5:31) Making hydrogen storage operate like a battery (7:08) Why levelized cost matters more than round-trip efficiency (10:08) How hydrogen stores and returns energy (12:22) How long hydrogen can remain stored (13:45) Fourier’s battery-plus-hydrogen microgrid architecture (14:24) Why Fourier uses a modular “hydrogen blade” design (15:51) Combining lithium-ion batteries with hydrogen for all storage durations (16:19) How Fourier’s software optimizes storage, lifetime, and ROI (17:47) Fourier’s first commercial storage deployment in Gujarat (19:53) Why Fourier is expanding from hydrogen feedstock into energy storage (20:32) How AI and data center growth accelerated demand for long-duration storage (24:24) Replacing diesel generators and solving multiple power needs with one system (26:55) How hydrogen storage compares with iron-air batteries (27:50) Why India could become a major energy manufacturing and hydrogen hub (30:10) The engineering and manufacturing talent Fourier is hiring (30:39) Transitioning from software to physical energy infrastructure (34:11) Scaling Fourier to meet growing demand for energy storage Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review! Share feedback or suggest future topics and guests at [email protected] with MCJ:Cody Simms on LinkedInVisit mcj.vcSubscribe to the MCJ Newsletter*Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant

Willie Phillips is the former chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and now a partner at Holland & Knight. During his time at FERC, Phillips helped lead major reforms to transmission planning and the electric grid’s interconnection process. He now advises the companies and utilities he once regulated, giving him a unique perspective on how developers can navigate the regulatory system. In this episode of Inevitable, Phillips explains how FERC works, what companies routinely get wrong when engaging with regulators, and why early participation and pre-filing conversations can dramatically improve the odds of success. He also breaks down the Supreme Court’s overturning of the Chevron doctrine and how his team designed Order 1920 around reliability and existing legal precedent. The conversation then turns to the bigger challenge facing the U.S. grid: rapidly growing electricity demand from AI, data centers, electrification, and industrial activity. Phillips argues that the grid was not built for this moment and that the country needs faster, more coordinated planning while preserving the role of states and regional authorities. Finally, Phillips discusses large loads, behind-the-meter generation, vertically integrated utilities, and the possibility that hyperscalers could become major power generators. He argues that regulators, utilities, and technology companies have an opportunity to work together to build the infrastructure needed for the next era of the American economy. Episode recorded on July 29, 2026 (Published on August 25, 2026). In this episode, we cover:  (0:00) An overview of FERC and Willie Phillips’s career (6:31) How companies can successfully navigate the FERC process (9:07) What overturning Chevron means for federal regulators (12:00) Order 1920 and the need for long-term transmission planning (13:35) Reforming the interconnection queue (15:39) How FERC navigated legal uncertainty around grid reform (17:29) Why America needs to “do big things” with the electric grid (20:42) FERC, states, and the future of grid planning (23:33) America’s energy infrastructure race with China (25:02) Why large loads are transforming the grid (27:07) A 21st-century economy running on 20th-century rules (28:18) FERC’s approach to accelerating large-load interconnections (30:15) Why reliability, affordability, sustainability, and speed matter (31:30) The jurisdictional questions around large loads (33:06) Organized markets vs. vertically integrated utilities (37:40) Reliability, affordability, and the value of invisible infrastructure (40:35) Behind-the-meter generation and co-location (43:17) Could hyperscalers become major power generators? (44:09) Turning hyperscalers into partners in building the grid (46:09) Why the energy transition needs the voice of investors and innovators Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review! Share feedback or suggest future topics and guests at [email protected] with MCJ:Cody Simms on LinkedInVisit mcj.vcSubscribe to the MCJ Newsletter*Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant