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Hollywood continues to tell tales on the Silver and smaller HD screens. What do they get “right” and – what could they use a panel of experts on when it comes to process and law enforcement? Go Behind the Badge with the real-life law-enforcement industry hosts, guests and entertainment experts of WhatCopsWatch.Com to understand more about what you see in Hollywood…
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The LAW, is out there, in vehicles of all kinds no less.
Whether they on two wheels or on wheels that peel out and chase the good guys like in The Dukes of Hazzard, or the bad guys like Sonny Crocket and Tubbs in the day-glow cityscape of Miami, the law has always and will always have a presence in entertainment. It’s time for a literal hybrid podcast, combining the superpowers of 2GuysTalkingCars.Com, and WhatCopsWatch.Com where we put some polish on some of the coolest cop cars in entertainment history!
Sit back a spell, strap on your proverbial duty belt and or shoulder holster and join us as we revisit the land of nostalgia, police officers and entertainment as we list The 10 Best Cop Vehicles from TV & Movies on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network…
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Timestamps from This Episode of 2GuysTalkingCars.Com:
00:00 Counting Down Top 10 TV and Movie Cop Cars
04:11 Audience feedback request for Daredevil reviews
08:34 Building Engines for Police and Runners
09:49 Changes in Police Vehicle Design and Technology
15:38 Discussion on iconic movie stars and cars
18:43 Iconic police motorcycles and their gadgets in CHiPs
22:04 Police departments adopting SUVs
24:22 Talking about Blues Brothers car events
28:40 Exploring baseball culture and online resources
30:19 Join Two Guys Talking as a Movie Reviewer
35:19 Talking about bad guys in the series
35:38 Discussing favorite cars and a TV tribute
39:53 Podcast wrap-up, listener feedback, and engagement
Questions Answered Inside This Episode of 2GuysTalkingCars.Com:
ow has the portrayal of police vehicles in television and movies changed over the decades, according to the hosts’ discussion?
In what ways did advancements in vehicle technology, such as computer systems and safety features, influence the realism and functionality of on-screen cop cars?
The hosts compare the Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino to a character in its own right. What elements make a vehicle transcend mere transportation to become a central figure in a story?
What role does audience nostalgia play in making certain police vehicles “iconic,” as mentioned throughout the episode?
Discuss the shift from high-speed police chases in older shows to the reduced emphasis on them today. How do current policies and technologies affect these scenes?
When TV and movie police drive seized luxury vehicles like the Miami Vice Ferrari, what message does that send about law enforcement and criminal justice?
How does the look and color scheme of police vehicles contribute to their effectiveness and recognition in both real life and media, as talked about with the black-and-white paint jobs?
Which police vehicle from the episode’s “top 10” list was new to you, and what stood out about its inclusion?
How do comedic cop cars (like the Blues Brothers Dodge Monaco or Car 54’s Plymouth) differ in importance and impact compared to their dramatic counterparts?
If you could own any of the vehicles discussed in the episode, which would you choose and why? Would your choice be practical, nostalgic, or based on another reason?
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Chris DiGiuseppi
Chris DiGiuseppi is an award winning and local bestselling author from his first novel, The Light Bringer and has been traditionally published five times. Chris has over 25 years in Law Enforcement at various levels up to and including Chief of Police. He is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and Northwestern University School of Police Staff Command. He is trained in various aspects of Law Enforcement and holds degrees in Human Resources and Business Administration. Chris lives with his wife and children in Missouri.
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Ron is a master of networking and has driven just about everything on wheels. What he hasn't driven in, he's surely fixed. Regardless of the car type, technology, profile, or horsepower, Ron is an always-flowing information fountain when it comes to cars. Add on his mastery of networking with people inside the Automotive industries and you have a formidable host, an outstanding storyteller, and a man with knowledge, skill set, and perspective that is simply unmatched. Ron is also the Executive Director of AASP-MO - an educational organization providing knowledge and direction to hundreds of talented automotive shops in the St. Louis area. Ron can also be found at each SEMO show. Do you see him? Stop and tell him a story that can share on-air via 2GuysTalkingCars!
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Mike Wilkerson is a former certified Sign Language Interpreter for the Deaf, now Marketing Automation Director for a large St. Louis-based Computer company and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts for 13 years. While his interests are definitively pop culture-based, the bottom line is: It’s ALL About Perspective. Whether it’s being captured inside of one of Mike’s Podcast Capture Studios (based in St. Louis) inside the coming-soon “Micro Audio Podcast Capture Studios” (MPACS) or via The Podcast Bug: A 1974 custom Superbeetle with a recording studio built inside of it – Podcasting is Captured Perspective. Be sure to contact Mike with questions about podcasting, about the many programs he hosts or about the other programs
What happens when your greatest strength in Law Enforcement isn’t force, but the power of conversation?
Retired Police Officer, SWAT Team Member, and veteran crisis negotiator Patty McConnell joins The Crisis Cop, Pat Doering, to reflect on her decades-long journey breaking barriers and saving lives across Northern Illinois. Patty’s unique path - from the only woman on her department to a central figure training the next generation - reveals how empathy, curiosity, and active listening are true superpowers at the heart of crisis negotiation.
Ready to discover why the right words can be mightier than any weapon, and how understanding and human connection can change - maybe even save - a life? It’s all here in this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast.
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The Light Bulb Moments for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
1. Curiosity is the Cornerstone of Effective Negotiation
The discussion explored the idea that curiosity, rather than judgment, is a fundamental trait for successful crisis negotiators. The conversation highlighted that by being genuinely interested in understanding why a person is in crisis—whether due to criminal behavior or suicidal ideation—negotiators can foster real conversations that drive connection and progress. This shift from a judgmental mindset, essential on patrol for officer safety, to a curious one during negotiations is a critical and often challenging transition for police officers entering this specialized discipline 14:03.
2. Active Listening Trumps "Silver Tongue"
One concept discussed was the misconception that the best negotiators are those who are great talkers with a "silver tongue." Instead, active listening emerged as a key theme, with several points raised about the importance of emotion labeling and the power of silence or effective pauses. These tools help people in crisis feel heard and understood—sometimes enabling them to express emotions or details they've never verbalized before. The conversation emphasized that truly listening, rather than focusing on what to say, often unlocks the best results in high-stakes situations 21:11.
3. Resilience and Debriefing Combat Cumulative Trauma
A key theme that emerged was that negotiators and first responders must recognize and address cumulative trauma. The discussion highlighted the phenomenon of secondary traumatic stress—where hearing and witnessing repeated traumatic stories impacts responders' mental health—and the necessity of psychological resilience. Debriefings, peer support, and an evolving cultural openness toward mental health in policing were discussed as vital tools for well-being. Understanding this dynamic is crucial for law enforcement leaders and practitioners alike in sustaining long-term effectiveness and personal health 54:02.
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Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
00:00 Feeling like Benjamin Button
10:01 The influence of Harvey Schlossberg
13:04 Encouraging students to speak naturally
17:33 Negotiation mindset shift
24:44 Using silence in interrogation
31:15 Handling sensitive third-party situations
35:10 Join Two Guys Talking: Be a Reviewer
41:07 Comforting a distraught friend
49:34 Night shift stakeout experience
52:56 Psychological resilience in SWAT teams
59:37 Supporting teammates and recognizing trauma
01:06:57 Advice for aspiring law enforcement officers
01:08:09 Practicing crisis communication skills
01:13:48 Misconceptions about negotiation tactics
01:19:33 Podcast closing and call to action
Questions Answered Inside This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
The conversation focused on the evolution of career paths in law enforcement, especially for women in the late 1970s. What challenges and opportunities were discussed regarding being one of the few women in policing at that time?
One concept discussed was the dual-track nature of police work: investigative versus tactical (SWAT/negotiations). How did these different tracks shape professional development and skill sets?
A key theme that emerged was the importance of curiosity and genuine interest in others for effective negotiations. How can cultivating curiosity improve outcomes in high-stress crisis situations?
The discussion explored the process of transitioning from street patrol to becoming a crisis negotiator. What fears and misconceptions did new negotiators tend to have, and how were these addressed?
Several points were raised, including the idea that being a good negotiator is more about listening than talking. What active listening skills were highlighted, and how can they be applied both in law enforcement and everyday life?
The episode described a critical incident where assumptions about an individual’s concerns (e.g., fear of more medical bills) affected negotiation tactics. How can law enforcement better gather and utilize intelligence to avoid missteps?
One concept discussed was the use of emotion labeling and effective pauses as negotiation techniques. Why are these approaches particularly effective in crisis negotiation scenarios?
A key theme that emerged was the impact of cumulative trauma and the need for psychological resilience in policing. What strategies were suggested for managing trauma and stress both individually and organizationally?
The discussion explored the “triad of command” model during critical incidents. How does integrating incident, tactical, and negotiations leadership improve decision-making and outcomes?
Several points were raised about advice for future negotiators, including pursuing diverse education and practicing skills outside traditional law enforcement roles. What benefits are associated with broadening one’s background, and how can prospective negotiators prepare for the unique demands of the field?
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-- The People Mentioned:
Harvey Schlossberg - Be Sure toCheck Out Harvey's Wife's Episode of The Crisis Cop!
Wikipedia – Harvey Schlossberg
Gary McDougall - Be Sure to Check Out Gary's Episode of The Crisis Cop!
LinkedIn – Gary McDougall
(Former Calgary Police, crisis negotiations instructor and speaker.)
Kevin Briggs
Wikipedia – Kevin Briggs
(Known as "The Guardian of the Golden Gate Bridge" for his suicide prevention work.)
Gary Noesner - Be Sure to Check Out Gary's Episode of The Crisis Cop!
Gary Noesner Official Website
(Retired FBI negotiator, author of "Stalling for Time")
Harry Drucker
Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Bio
(Public information officer, often cited for negotiation expertise.)
Deb McMahon
LinkedIn – Deb McMahon
(Crisis negotiation trainer and speaker.)
Joni Birkenheier
LinkedIn – Joni Birkenheier
(Law enforcement negotiations team leader in Illinois.)
Mike Vohling
Reference: Law enforcement professional in Illinois (limited public information)
(Mentioned as a negotiator and team leader with NIPAS.)
Waymond Mullins
Amazon – Books by Waymond C. Mullins
(Author of "Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections")
Michael McMahan
Amazon – Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections
(Co-author on premier negotiations textbook)
Robert Cialdini
Official Website – Robert Cialdini
(Author of "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion")
Chris Voss
Official Website – Chris Voss
(Former FBI negotiator, author of "Never Split the Difference")
Malcolm Gladwell
Official Website – Malcolm Gladwell
(Author of "Talking to Strangers" and other bestselling books)
Bessel van der Kolk
Official Website – Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.
(Author of "The Body Keeps the Score")
-- The Books & Authors Mentioned:
The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini
Talking to Strangers by Malcolm Gladwell
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
Crisis Negotiation: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections by Michael McMains
-- Get All of Pat's Books on Amazon Now!:
Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America
Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation
How can you make a difference when your superpower in Law Enforcement is - connecting people?
Retired Sergeant and Crisis Negotiator Tim Hunter stops by to visit with The Crisis Cop, Pat Doering, to share perspectives from his 30+year career that continues to help craft the future of Crisis Negotiation around the globe.
Ready to learn how connecting people isn't just a superpower, but an essential element in the chemistry set of crisis negotiation success? It's all here and more inside this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast
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Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
00:00 Tim's journey in law enforcement and retirement
05:24 Larry's Intense Hostage Negotiation Story
07:53 Coordinating international conference speakers
10:11 Intense training, evaluations, and student dropouts
14:45 Importance of practicing active listening skills
19:09 Emphasis on tactical operations in policing
20:34 Negotiation during a critical incident
27:00 Supportive team check-ins and debriefs
30:26 Police standoff experiences and outcomes
33:50 Locating and apprehending suspect with SWAT team
35:42 Supporting each other after tragedy
38:43 Maintaining Humor in Law Enforcement
41:35 Preparing for future crisis negotiations
47:34 Networking in crisis negotiations field
48:26 Closing the Crisis Cop podcast episode
Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk:
The conversation focused on the transition from being a "good talker" to a "good listener" in crisis negotiation. How does this shift in skillset impact the effectiveness of a negotiator? 02:54
One concept discussed was the importance of mentors in law enforcement. How did mentorship influence the careers and approaches of the negotiators highlighted in this episode? 05:03
A key theme that emerged was the challenges and benefits of international training, such as the course in Manchester. How do international approaches to negotiation training differ, and what can American negotiators learn from them? 10:02
The discussion explored the role of networking and interpersonal connections in advancing one’s career in crisis negotiation. What are some ways in which these relationships can open up professional opportunities? 12:33
Several points were raised, including the importance of active listening and stepping out of the traditional law enforcement “problem-solving” mindset. In what ways does active listening change the outcome of crisis situations? 13:32
The episode addressed preparing for language and cultural barriers in negotiation scenarios. What strategies can teams implement to ensure they are ready for situations where language is an obstacle? 16:36
The conversation focused on the relationship between tactical units and negotiators. What are some of the challenges in harmonizing their efforts, and what practices can help bridge the gap between these teams? 18:40
A key theme that emerged was the evolution of peer support and mental health awareness within law enforcement agencies. How have attitudes towards mental health support changed, and what further improvements could be made? 26:40
The discussion explored handling the aftermath of traumatic incidents, including critical incident stress debriefs. How effective are these debriefs in supporting officer wellbeing, and what could enhance their effectiveness? 35:27
Several points were raised about the significance of legacy and the contributions an individual makes beyond their personal callouts. How can negotiators positively shape the future of their field through training, mentorship, and organizational change? 46:44
Links from this Episode:
-- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!
- Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America
- Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation
- Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area
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Books & Training Materials
Compliance Surrender by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator: The foundational book on negotiation tactics – find it on Amazon or inquire to the hosts for a fair price.
Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com’s newest negotiation book: For more content and practical advice, reach out via the podcast or website.
Relevant Techniques & Philosophies
The "Four Rs" of Negotiation: Recognize, Respect, Reduce, and Remove barriers – as discussed by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator
Active Listening Skills: Essential for both negotiations and day-to-day policing – and featured throughout the episode.
Professional Communication in Law Enforcement: Why avoiding yelling and profanity matters for de-escalation and public image.
Topics Covered in This Episode
The evolution of crisis negotiation in police work and CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) training.
Handling emotionally charged situations, and the effects of PTSD in law enforcement.
Building trust and rapport—even through difficult or traumatic incidents.
Why mentorship matters: Advice for new negotiators from Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com and Meghan Taft - Limited License Psychologist & Crisis Negotiator.
The importance of preserving dignity and respecting emotional barriers during crisis calls.
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Pat Doering
Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide.
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Listen as 24 production designer Joseph Hodges and host Mike Wilkerson - 2GuysTalking.Com break down the visual language of suspicion, discuss the show's approach to tactical realism, and explore how environments and set design were engineered to heighten tension and drive authentic response.
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00:00 Changes in TV viewing habits over time
15:50 Desert night scenes and character focus
23:35 Discussing Titanic's love story elements and casting process
35:04 Establishing shots enhance character storytelling dynamics
47:58 Discussing Team Dynamics in TV Production
54:47 Insights from Joseph Hodges on production design
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01:45:16 First episode production disagreements and changes
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Questions Answered Inside this Episode of The 24 Podcast:
How does the series' real-time format influence the pacing and storytelling in this episode, especially regarding the tension and movement between scenes?
In what ways does the introduction of the character Aaron Pierce serve as an impactful, understated presence within the series, and why do you think viewers become attached to him so quickly?
Discuss how the production design choices, such as shooting at the Vasquez Rocks and using tight, moody lighting, contribute to the tone and atmosphere of this episode.
What do you think about the decision to use stock footage, such as helicopter shots and van footage, to solve production challenges? Does this enhance or detract from the realism of the show?
The episode presents early breadcrumbs that someone within CTU is a mole. How does the handling of suspicion and mistrust among team members drive the suspense in the story?
Kim Bauer’s forced phone call to her mother includes the unexpected "I love you" clue. How does this scene effectively communicate both desperation and coded messaging without exposition?
Several scenes hinge on the idea of quick access to information (like codes, phone numbers, or dossiers) via CTU’s advanced systems. How does this narrative device help or hinder the believability of the story?
How do you interpret the depiction of Jack Bauer’s resolve, especially in the thumb amputation scene? What does this reveal about his character and the lengths he will go to accomplish his mission?
Joseph Hodges discusses his insistence on certain production details, such as avoiding generic "Craftsman" homes and building specific set elements. How do these seemingly small choices impact the overall distinctiveness of 24’s visual style?
Reflect on the way the episode ends—with the revelation that data traces Nina Myers as the mole. What feelings or questions does this moment leave you with, and how does it serve as an effective cliffhanger?
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Mike Wilkerson:
Mike Wilkerson Is the PodFather of St. Louis, and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts since 2005. As a professional content creator, Mike has been making and documenting every mistake in the Podcasting industry so you won't have to when you're ready to begin. With thousands of of hours of business, marketing and life experience behind and in front of the mic and keyboard, he has created a vibrant and always-growing business tapestry via The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
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Who better to give you grand perspective about the ultra-blue, heavenly waters of Hawaii - than three people living in the midwest?
Well, when it comes to the vista? Perhaps not, but when we're talking about dissecting what you see when it comes to storytelling, real-life crime-based content (in this case, Crisis Negotiation) and why what you see on TV/in Movies or via Streaming isn't always "the way it is in real life" - WhatCopsWatch.Com has you covered with this episode!
The Crisis Cop (and Crisis Negotiator Trainer) Lt. Pat Doering, Iowa State Police Sgt. and Crisis Negotiator Michael Clyde and OG Podcaster and Crisis Negotiator Role Player Mike Wilkerson give you some of the greatest ligh bulb moments that reaction content has to offer!
Are YOU ready to learn more about the entertainment you take in when it comes to effective policing? Ready to learn more about the HUMANS behind the duty belt and badge?
It's time for a Perspective Review of Hawaii Five-O, Season 8, Episode 13 - "What is Gone is GOne" via WhatCopsWatch on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
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Timestamps for This Episode:
06:15 Starting WhatCopsWatch with Mystic River Episode
13:24 Explaining perpetual advertising benefits
18:51 Focus on listening during negotiations
26:17 Negotiator and Steve's territorial clash
28:32 Involving mental health professionals in negotiations
36:46 Lessons learned from crisis negotiation
38:20 Talking to people in crisis situations
47:28 Technology changing tactical operations
52:00 Command decisions in hostage scenarios
55:27 Discussing mental health support options
59:32 Brad's struggles and proving his innocence
01:06:52 Using an odd question to reset negotiations
01:11:14 Lou's Support Group in Chicago
01:16:59 Importance of mutual understanding in teams
01:24:49 TV format shift and internet's role
01:26:28 Finding personal insights in reviews
01:31:45 Requesting feedback on WhatCopsWatch.com
Questions from This Episode:
*How does the portrayal of crisis negotiation in this episode of Hawaii 5-0 compare to real-life practices, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? Where does Hollywood get it right or wrong? (23:41, 25:26)
What are the risks and consequences of showing law enforcement officers making unsafe choices during negotiations, such as approaching a vehicle barricade too closely, as discussed in the episode? (23:41, 24:10)
Reflect on the depiction of trauma and mental health among officers in the episode. How did the show use Lou’s backstory to highlight these issues, and how did Pat Doering and Michael Clyde react to it? (33:38, 53:58)
What are the challenges negotiators face when outcomes are not successful? How do Pat Doering and Michael Clyde emphasize dealing with “losing cases”? (35:14, 38:12)
Discuss the role and importance of teamwork between negotiators and tactical teams. What strategies do Michael Clyde and Pat Doering recommend for building better collaboration? (01:16:14, 01:18:15)
How does the rapid resolution of cases and evidence processing in television (the “CSI effect”) affect public expectations of policing, as mentioned by the hosts? (33:02, 01:01:02)
In the episode, mental health for both suspects and officers plays a key role. How should police respond to or support officers dealing with trauma? What resources were discussed as helpful? (56:27)
What commentary do the hosts provide on the pissing matches (power struggles) frequently depicted between negotiators and SWAT or tactical leaders in Hollywood? How accurate is this, and what do real teams do instead? (26:30, 27:11)
After a negotiation ends, what does “good closure” look like for both the subject and the team, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? How does this differ from the abrupt TV ending? (01:13:15)
What did Mike Wilkerson, Pat Doering, and Michael Clyde identify as both the “goods” and “bads” in this episode’s depiction of crisis negotiation? Which points resonated most with you and why? (01:20:31, 01:23:01)
Links from this Episode:
The Theme Songs from Hawaii Five-0!:
The Original Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the late 1960's): https://youtu.be/CpxJsy8nfjA?t=25
The Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the 2010's): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCu4Uh-JqU
Crisis Cop Podcast & Related Sites:
Crisis Cop Podcast: https://crisiscop.com
Complete Crisis Cop Podcast Library: https://crisiscoppodcast.com
Role Player & Crisis Negotiation Training:
Blue Baggers Project – Professional role players for crisis negotiation training: https://bluebaggersproject.com
Episode Details
TV Show: Hawaii Five-0
Episode Discussed: Season 8, Episode 13, "What is Gone is Gone"
Original Air Date: January 2018
Streaming Link: Paramount+ Hawaii Five-0
Official Episode Info: IMDb - Hawaii Five-0 S8E13
Guest & Host Info
Michael Clyde:
Sergeant, Iowa State Patrol/Crisis Negotiator
LinkedIn Profile
Pat Doering:
Founder, The Crisis Cop Podcast
Crisiscop.com – Crisis negotiation resources, podcast, training info
Mike Wilkerson:
Host, WhatCopsWatch.com
WhatCopsWatch.com – Full show archive, contact form
Highlighted Topics & External Resources
Crisis Negotiation
National Council for Crisis Negotiation
FBI Crisis Negotiation Unit
988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline
988lifeline.org
Call or Text: 988 (US Only)
Role-Playing for Negotiator Training
BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators
Role-Playing for Negotiator Training
BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators
Referenced Shows & Episodes
Referenced Past Episodes
Criminal Minds S1E5 - Our Perspective Review with Dr. Morgan Krumeich!
WhatCopsWatch - Mystic River Episode
Related Shows
The Shield
Ocean's Eleven (2001)
Further Reading & Learning
Books on Crisis Negotiation:
"Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator" by Gary Noesner (Amazon link)
Suicide Prevention & Mental Health
The Bridge Documentary (Golden Gate Bridge)
National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)
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2GuysTalking – Podcast production and perpetual advertising
EditorCore.com – Podcast editing services
VoiceFarmers.com – Voiceover services
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Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode:
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— What did YOU think of the long-running television series, Hawaii Five-O? Tell us now!
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