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On December 25th and 26th of 2025; we released a 2-parter on Luis Garavito (aka The Beast).  Heather was joined by Cole (who suggested the disturbing case) to discuss Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, also known as La Bestia (The Beast), was a Colombian serial killer, pedophile, sex offender, and necrophile. Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted over 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, primarily young boys, across western Colombia.But as Heather and Cole were recording, they realized that there were a lot of unanswered questions about Columbia and the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ related to him going undetected for so long.  Well; lucky for you, we have a resident researcher who also has a degree in international studies!  Courtney came to the studio and dropped some knowledge in this 2-parter about Colombia, before, during, and after his disgusting crime spree.Books and Documentaries mentioned:Conquistadores: A New History of Spanish Discovery and Conquest by Fernando CervantesWhen the Mountains Tremble (roughly 1 hr and 23 min).  Filmed in 1982, this film is a prequel to the documentary Granito: How to Nail a DictatorStill Life with Bones: Genocide, Forensics, and What Remains By Alexa HagertyA Flower Traveled in My Blood by Haley Cohen GillilandBooks to learn about Colombia:The Shape of the Ruins (La Forma de las Ruinas) by Juan Gabriel Vásquez (is a great historical novel about 20th century Colombian politics)One Hundred Years Solitude by Gabriel García MárqueEvery Day The River Changes; Four Weeks Down the Magdalena by Jordan SalamaMagical Realism for Non-Believers; A Memoir of Finding Family by Anika FajardoThe Book of Emma Reyes: A Memoir by Emma Reyes (Author) & Daniel AlarcónThe Night Will Be Long by Santiago GamboThe Making of Modern Colombia: A Nation in Spite of Itself by David Bushnell There Are No Dead Here: A Story of Murder and Denial in Colombia by Maria McFarland Sánchez-MorenoEven Silence Has an End: My Six Years of Captivity in the Colombian Jungle by Ingrid BetancourtBetween Legitimacy and Violence: A History of Colombia, 1875–2002 (Latin America in Translation by Marco Palacios and 1 more)Colombia: A Concise Contemporary History by Michael J. LaRosa and 1 moreUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive. 

On December 25th and 26th of 2025; we released a 2-parter on Luis Garavito (aka The Beast).  Heather was joined by Cole (who suggested the disturbing case) to discuss Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, also known as La Bestia (The Beast), was a Colombian serial killer, pedophile, sex offender, and necrophile. Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted over 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, primarily young boys, across western Colombia.But as Heather and Cole were recording, they realized that there were a lot of unanswered questions about Columbia and the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ related to him going undetected for so long.  Well; lucky for you, we have a resident researcher who also has a degree in international studies!  Courtney came to the studio and dropped some knowledge in this 2-parter about Colombia, before, during, and after his disgusting crime spree.Books and Documentaries mentioned:Conquistadores: A New History of Spanish Discovery and Conquest by Fernando CervantesWhen the Mountains Tremble (roughly 1 hr and 23 min).  Filmed in 1982, this film is a prequel to the documentary Granito: How to Nail a DictatorStill Life with Bones: Genocide, Forensics, and What Remains By Alexa HagertyA Flower Traveled in My Blood by Haley Cohen GillilandBooks to learn about Colombia:The Shape of the Ruins (La Forma de las Ruinas) by Juan Gabriel Vásquez (is a great historical novel about 20th century Colombian politics)One Hundred Years Solitude by Gabriel García MárqueEvery Day The River Changes; Four Weeks Down the Magdalena by Jordan SalamaMagical Realism for Non-Believers; A Memoir of Finding Family by Anika FajardoThe Book of Emma Reyes: A Memoir by Emma Reyes (Author) & Daniel AlarcónThe Night Will Be Long by Santiago GamboThe Making of Modern Colombia: A Nation in Spite of Itself by David Bushnell There Are No Dead Here: A Story of Murder and Denial in Colombia by Maria McFarland Sánchez-MorenoEven Silence Has an End: My Six Years of Captivity in the Colombian Jungle by Ingrid BetancourtBetween Legitimacy and Violence: A History of Colombia, 1875–2002 (Latin America in Translation by Marco Palacios and 1 more)Colombia: A Concise Contemporary History by Michael J. LaRosa and 1 moreUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive. 

⚠️ CONTENT WARNINGIf Part 1 was about how the warning signs were ignored, Part 2 is where the consequences become horrifyingly clear.This episode picks up where the slow burn ends; and where the true scale of the nightmare is revealed.Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, infamously known as La Bestia (The Beast), went on to become one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history.Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted more than 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, mostly young boys, across western Colombia.  And somehow… he kept going.!!!!This episode contains discussions of child sexual abuse, torture, murder, survivor testimony, and institutional failure. We avoid gratuitous detail, but the material is deeply disturbing. Please listen with care!!!!This is where everything collapses; for the victims, for investigators, and eventually, for Garavito himself.In Part 2, we break down:The murders and how Garavito operated for years without detectionThe voices and experiences of surviving victimsHow small mistakes — and chance encounters — finally led to his arrestThe shocking details of his confessionsHis sentencing, plea deals, and the massive controversy surrounding themHis death, and why justice still feels unfinishedSpoiler alert: the legal outcome will probably make your blood boil.Check out our website for sources and more at  www.naturevsnarcissism.com.  Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

⚠️ CONTENT WARNING!!!!This episode discusses child sexual abuse, violence, and psychological instability. We avoid graphic detail, but the subject matter is inherently disturbing. Please listen with care!!!!In this episode, we’re opening the door to one of the most disturbing cases in true-crime history - and we’re starting at the beginning, where the warning signs were loud, constant, and tragically ignored.Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, also known as La Bestia (The Beast), was a Colombian serial killer, pedophile, sex offender, and necrophile. Between 1992 and 1999, he sexually assaulted over 200 victims and is believed to have sexually assaulted and murdered at least 193 children, primarily young boys, across western Colombia.Yes; those numbers are real.And yes; it gets worse before it gets better.Before the murders, before the headlines, before Colombia realized what was happening; there was a long, ugly buildup.In Part 1, we cover:Garavito’s abusive and chaotic childhoodHis teen years, marked by escalating sexual violence and early arrestsThe early crimes and red flags that never stopped himPortions of his adult life, revealing substance abuse, untreated mental illness, religion, instability, and repeated system failuresThis episode isn’t about shock value;  it’s about how someone like La Bestia is formed.Check out our website for sources and more at  www.naturevsnarcissism.com.  Until next time; stay inside, stay alive. And be sure to come back for Part 2!

Karen Margaret Greenlee; born in 1958, was an apprentice embalmer in Sacramento, California who sexually assaulted over 40 deceased individuals.  She called herself the “morgue rat”.  She is considered as the "best-known modern practitioner of necrophilia", and her case was the subject of much research due to her sex as only ten percent of known necrophiles are women. The first 4 ½ minutes is an announcement about this series and how it came about.  We start talking about Greenlee at the 5 minute mark.  Feel free to skip forward, but if you do, you may be lost for this particular series.Fun Fact:  Did you know that necrophilia did not become illegal until 2003 in the United Kingdom??  Did you know that in the United States though, there is no federal legislation specifically barring sex with a corpse.  However, multiple states have their own laws.  In Ohio, it is a Felony in the fifth degree. It appears as though the states that do not have legislation against it are: Massachusetts, New Mexico, South Dakota, Vermont, and Virginia.  #TheMoreYouKnow.Check out our website for sources and more at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

FINALEAs part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats!  This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks.  Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best).  Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy. The Scale:6 - Reese’s Pumpkins5 - M&M’s4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops3 - Skittles2 - Smarties1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter KissesToday’s episode started out with Caleb & Ollie…then moved to Jason & Mack, and closed out with Heather & Jason.  This episode was a BLAST.  And there were VERY weird items eaten…Yes, you guys finally get to see Jason.  He is real.  He is not a cryptid LOL.HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!PLEASE send us all the photos of your costumes!!!!

Day 31 of the Crimetober Series is about the Liske family murders, which occurred on October 31, 2010.Sourceshttps://www.brainjet.com/random/1566961/crimes-committed-on-halloween/ http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201011220001https://www.wvnstv.com/digital-desk/infamous-halloween-murders/amp/ https://www.businessinsider.com/murders-halloween-night-2018-10 https://alabamabioclean.com/frightening-crimes-that-happen-on-halloween/ https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-31-f75c4e3537e0

Day 30 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Martha Moxley, which occurred on October 30, 1975.Sourceshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-killed-martha-moxley/ https://www.oxygen.com/murder-and-justice-the-case-of-martha-moxley https://marthamoxley.com/ https://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/martha-moxley "Moxley Case: Who is Michael Skakel?". cnn.com. December 31, 2007. Archived from the original on August 10, 2014.

PUPPAWEEN!!!As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we like to throw in some extra TREATS and give you fun episodes that are not all about eating things.  For this episode, Heather & Becca brought in the DOGGOS!!!!!  We wanted Gizmo, Luna Bear, and Rocket to try on Halloween costumes, eat some treats, and wear their cute little bandanas!  ENJOY THE CHAOS OF CUTENESS!!!

Day 29 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Tina Marie Harmon, which occurred on October 29, 1981.Sourceshttps://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-29-8563274bcf05 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tina_Harmon https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/7366324/tina_marie-harmon Renner, James (December 30, 2008). "Ghosts Of Wayne County Doubts Haunt An Old Murder And The Execution That Followed". Cleveland Scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Krista_Harrison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anthony_Buell

Day 28 of the Crimetober Series is about the disappearance of Gloria Ann Gonzales, which occurred on October 28, 1971, and the other Texas Killing Fields’ victims.  I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-28-da18ea0757e7 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33354927/gloria_ann-gonzales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Killing_Fields https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/seeking-information-in-unsolved-killing-fields-murders-091819 https://www.newsweek.com/texas-killing-fields-victims-families-parents-netflix-1765359 https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2017/10/18/243184/investigators-think-they-know-who-killed-eleven-girls-around-galveston-in-the-1970s-2/ The Generation Why Podcast coverage: https://podcasts.apple.com/ro/podcast/texas-killing-fields/id541481026?i=1000367853410

Day 27 of the Crimetober Series is about the mass shooting at Fort Bragg, which occurred on October 27, 1995.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/13/us/paratrooper-sentenced-to-death-for-sniper-attack-at-fort-bragg.html https://www.army.mil/article-amp/18701/judge_sets_sentence_for_bragg_shooting_spree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kreutzer_Jr.https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/opinions/2011SepTerm/11-0231.pdfhttps://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29644671https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/05/31/family-says-army-knew-of-sons-troubles/b09fe454-0848-4abb-81b6-f2679e87e8ac/https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/caaf/04-5006-AR/04-5006-AR-2005-08-16.htmlhttps://abc11.com/archive/6704183/https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/military/2015/10/26/20-years-ago-chaos-at/22272995007/

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats!  This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks.  Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best).  Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy. The Scale:6 - Reese’s Pumpkins5 - M&M’s4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops3 - Skittles2 - Smarties1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter KissesToday’s episode was Heather & Ollie (part 2)

Day 26 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of 16-year-old Sylvia Likens which occurred on October 26, 1965.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-26-6faa834dc0a3 https://sylviascac.org/sylvias-story/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/history/retroindy/2013/10/24/sylvia-likens/3178393/ https://indyencyclopedia.org/sylvia-likens-murder-case/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/23/indianapolis-most-sadistic-act-sylvia-likens-gertrude-baniszewski-torture-slaying-indianapolis-news-indianapolis-crime-crime-horror-torture/74209878/ https://sylviascac.org/sylvias-story/ Dean, John (2008). House of Evil: The Indiana Torture Slaying. United States of America: St. Martin's Paperbacks. ISBN 978-0-312-94699-9.

Day 25 of the Crimetober Series is a two-fer about the day that notorious gangster Albert Anastasia was killed, which occurred on October 25, 1957 and the day premiere of John Carpenter’s film ‘Halloween’, which occurred on October 25, 1978.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://www.thisdaytrivia.com/trivia/october-25 https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/59788/15-terrifying-facts-about-john-carpenters-halloween https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077651/trivia/ https://www.businessinsider.com/halloween-horror-movie-interesting-things-to-know-2021-10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Anastasia#:~:text=to%20avenge%20Frank.-,Death,walk%20outside%2C%20leaving%20him%20unprotected. https://themobmuseum.org/timeline_events/albert-anastasia-killed/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Albert-Anastasia https://allthatsinteresting.com/albert-anastasia https://www.loc.gov/item/2021638459/ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Murder-Inc-American-crime-syndicate Raab, Selwyn (2005). Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America's Most Powerful Mafia Empires. New York: St. Martin Press. ISBN 0-312-30094-8."RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANGSTER GUNFIRE; Giuseppe Masseria, Known as Joe the Boss, Shot Mysteriously in Coney Island Cafe."BIGGER THAN AL CAPONE" Police Say He Was Leader in Every Kind of Racket--He Escaped Death Many Times. Shooting Still a Mystery. RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANG'S GUNFIRE Became Leader as Youth. Escaped Second Ambush". The New York Times. April 16, 1931. Pollak, Michael (June 29, 2012). "Coney Island's Big Hit". The New York Times. 

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats!  This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks.  Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best).  Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy. The Scale:6 - Reese’s Pumpkins5 - M&M’s4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops3 - Skittles2 - Smarties1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter KissesToday’s episode was Heather & Becca.

Day 24 of the Crimetober Series is about the day that Joseph David Emerson almost took down an entire plane, which occurred on October 24, 2023.I apologize for the late release Sourceshttps://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/oregon-indictment-off-duty-pilot-engine-incident/index.html#:~:text=Off%2Dduty%20pilot%20Joseph%20D,a%20plane's%20engines%20mid%2Dflight.&text=Joseph%20Emerson%2C%20the%20Alaska%20Airlines,in%20an%20Oregon%20court%20Tuesday. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-tried-cut-planes-engines-released-jail-rcna128680 https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/07/judge-says-ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-who-tried-to-cut-planes-engines-can-be-released-before-trial/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/us/alaska-airlines-flight-diverted.html https://nypost.com/2024/08/24/world-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-joseph-emerson-who-tried-to-down-flight-while-on-magic-mushrooms-trip-wants-to-fly-again/

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats!  This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks.  Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best).  Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy. The Scale:6 - Reese’s Pumpkins5 - M&M’s4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops3 - Skittles2 - Smarties1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter KissesToday’s episode was Heather & Jake.

Day 23 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Doctor Barnett Slepian’s murder which occurred on October 23, 1998.I apologize for the late release Sources https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/october-23-video https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-abortion-performing-doctor-is-murdered https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1169315/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/abortviolence/stories/sniper.htm https://buffalonews.com/news/local/the-murder-of-barnett-slepian-25-years-later/collection_7fffe252-7018-11ee-974a-ff166aeeb020.html

Day 22 of the Crimetober Series is about the OJ Simpson case of 1910, in which the trial wrapped up on October 22, 1910.  Dr. Crippen was hanged for a murder he did not commit.I apologize for the late releaseSourceshttps://thehistorypress.co.uk/article/the-notorious-case-of-dr-crippen/ http://news.msu.edu/media/documents/2011/01/3cda8882-265b-4282-9eba-a13d880f09a2.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawley_Harvey_Crippenhttps://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/hawley-crippen/199/https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-10802059 https://www.historytoday.com/archive/execution-dr-crippenhttp://news.msu.edu/media/documents/2011/01/3cda8882-265b-4282-9eba-a13d880f09a2.pdfhttps://www.discoveryuk.com/mysteries/who-was-dr-crippen-and-what-did-he-do/