Non Linear Learning - Rethinking Education for Neurodivergent Learners

When we think of dyslexia, most people imagine a reading problem. But the real story is far more complex and non linear - and the lessons from dyslexia research can open new doors for autistic learners (yay!). In this episode, I talk with Russell Van Brocklen, founder of Dyslexia Classes and known as The Dyslexia Professor. Russell shares why dyslexia is less about reading and more about how the brain organizes ideas - and how strategies that work for dyslexic learners may also translate to autistic students who think and learn in unique ways. We explore: Why dyslexia is not just a reading issue but a brain organization issue. How focusing on a child’s special interest unlocks motivation and comprehension. Why writing (typing) before reading is the breakthrough many students need. The crossover between dyslexic and autistic learners as specialists, not generalists. And of course, what you can do RIGHT NOW!   Listen, I know your autistic child may struggle outside their super special interests - and you may be struggling with how to help them move laterally to a different topic. THIS conversation will give you some ideas to think about. Here’s the freebie Russell mentioned in the podcast: https://dyslexiaclasses.com/nonlinearlearning/ You are a non linear parent, and you deserve a non linear path!    Next Step: Get on the waitlist for my course, Non Linear Education, where I teach parents how to build advanced, age-appropriate learning for their kids with disabilities. And if you found this episode helpful, please leave a review. Your words may be exactly what another parent needs to discover this podcast and know they’re not alone.

Why are so many of us terrified of math—but not history, art, or reading? In this episode of Nonlinear Learning, Dr. Vaish Sarathy sits down with Dr. Aditya Nagrath, founder of Elephant Learning, to why math anxiety exists and why it disproportionately affects children with disabilities.   Tune in to learn:   Why math anxiety shows up earlier and more intensely than other academic anxieties How early gaps in understanding compound into full-blown learning trauma by 3rd grade What the phrase “I’m not a math person” is really masking—and how to dismantle it The problem with waiting until a child is “ready” for math   This is for parents burned out by the grind of addition, AND educators trying to find a new way forward ...   Key Quotes: “The real problem isn’t the math—it’s the meaning we’ve assigned to our struggles with it.” — Dr. Aditya Nagrath “There is no diagnosis that disqualifies someone from understanding math. You just have to meet them at their level.” — Dr. Vaish Sarathy Resources & Mentions: Learn more about Dr. Nagrath and Elephant Learning: www.elephantlearning.com Listen to Vaish’s TEDx talk: "Who Decides How Smart You Are?" https://www.drvaishsarathy.com/

One of the biggest hurdles in disability education is the Insistence on Completion / Perfection.   In this episode, Dr. Vaish Sarathy breaks down the one rule that every parent and educator of disabled children needs to hear: Progress in Learning requires gaps.   And refusing to move forward until every milestone is mastered is the fastest route to stagnation.   She uses the lens of game theory to map out a “payoff matrix” that compares the risks of moving forward (even when skills are shaky) to the devastating cost of waiting. Spoiler: the risks of progressing are minimal. The potential payoff? Life-changing.   You can sign up for the waitlist for Vaish's path breaking course: Non Linear Education here: www.drvaishsarathy.com/nonlineareducation   Drop a queestion for Vaish to answer at nonlinearlearningpodcast@gmail.com

I am joined by Ayurvedic practitioner Anuradha Gupta in this episode to look at how Ayurveda can support emotional regulation, and learning of neurodivergent children and their caregivers.   We talk about:   What doshas and gunas really are, and how they shape your child’s emotions, attention, and learning The Ayurvedic principle of chatushpad and why a child’s progress is inseparable from a parent’s wellbeing Strategies for Vata, Pitta, and Kapha imbalances in autistic and non-speaking children How to regulate when breathwork isn’t possible, and why co-regulation matters more than ever Why honoring your child’s natural tendencies isn’t permissive parenting—it’s transformational   Learn Sudarshan Kriya (SKY Breath Meditation): https://www.artofliving.org/us-en/sky

Is your child's speech meaningful? In this unfiltered episode of Non Linear Learning, co-hosts Dr. Vaish Sarathy and Searmi Park talk about the difference between speech and language, and why that may be everything in educating our kids with disabilities.   Here's what they talk about: Why scripting and echolalia aren’t proof of limited cognition The danger of over-labeling learners as "gestalt processors" How presumed competence starts where speech ends Why academics—not behavior—is the best way to detect intention   This is the episode for you if you’ve ever wondered: Is my child’s speech meaningful? How do I know if they understand but can’t express it? What should I do when I don’t know what’s motor, comprehension, or behavior?   👉 If this episode made you think or gave you hope, please leave a review so others can find us. It makes all the difference.

Does your child echo everything you say—but struggle to express their own thoughts? In this episode of Non Linear Learning, Dr. Vaish Sarathy tackles one of the most misunderstood differences in developmental education: the gap between speech and language—and why recognizing this difference can completely shift how you teach your autistic child. You'll learn: How speech apraxia and motor planning issues can mask true intelligence Why “presuming competence” often means “presuming apraxia" A powerful mindset shift that could change everything for your child’s learning journey Free Resource Download your free guide to Non Linear Learning: www.drvaishsarathy.com/nonlinearlearning  Do :) Leave a Review If this episode gave you a new perspective, help us reach more parents and educators by leaving a review wherever you listen.

In this deeply honest episode, I talk with Syed Abbas—global meditation teacher, disability advocate, and father—about how a life-altering diagnosis of muscular dystrophy pushed him into the world of breathwork, mindfulness, and inner transformation.   We talk about: His journey from depression and chronic medication use to mental clarity and peace What it’s like to live with a progressive disability—and find pride and power in it The science and simplicity of breathwork Why caregivers, especially parents of children with disabilities, are stuck in constant fight-or-flight—and what they can actually do about it How just a few deep breaths can shift your nervous system, your energy, and your life   🔗 Resources Mentioned: Learn Sudarshan Kriya (SKY Breath Meditation): https://www.artofliving.org/us-en/sky Sahaj Samadhi Meditation course info: https://www.artofliving.org/us-en/meditation/sahaj-samadhi Upcoming in-person event with Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar in the Bay Area (July 2025): https://event.us.artofliving.org/us-en/lp1/sfba/wellness-with-gurudev/ 🧪 Studies & Science Behind Breathwork and Pranayama Breath-based meditation can reduce anxiety and enhance well-being: Streeter, C.C., et al. (2020). Effects of Yoga on the Autonomic Nervous System, Gamma-aminobutyric-acid, and Allostasis in Epilepsy, Depression, and Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. Frontiers in Psychiatry, 11: 782. Read the full study on PubMed Central Pranayama improves cardio-respiratory efficiency and endurance in healthy young adults: Satheesh, R., & Bindu, C.B. (2020). Pranayama improves cardio-respiratory efficiency and physical endurance in young healthy volunteers. International Journal of Research in Medical Sciences, 8(7), 2421–2425. Read the full article on MSJOnline.org Pranayama and aerobic exercise enhance heart rate variability and VO₂ max in sedentary middle-aged men: Hariprasad, R., Prabhu, N., & Karishma, S. (2024). Effect of Aerobic Exercise and Pranayama on Heart Rate Variability and Maximal Oxygen Consumption in Sedentary Middle Aged Males. International Journal of Current Medical and Applied Sciences, 42(2), 20–25. Read the full article on IJCMAA

Access to communication is the first step—what comes after?   In this episode of Non Linear Learning, Dr. Vaish Sarathy and Searmi Park sit down with award-winning researcher and advocate Dr. Edlyn Peña to talk about inclusion, spelled communication, and what happens when we stop settling for access and start building actual community.   Dr. Peña shares her journey raising her non-speaking son Diego—from fighting for AAC in preschool to full inclusion in high school using a letterboard. She also opens up about her newest venture: the DREAM Community Center, a post-high school model for neurodivergent teens and adults that centers autonomy, learning, and joy.   We talk about: Why spelled communication is a civil rights issue The real risks (and rewards) of pushing for inclusion in traditional systems How to navigate accusations of influence—and why “proof” standards for non-speakers are inherently unjust Why college doesn’t have to follow a neurotypical timeline The power of “crip time,” self-defined success, and post-secondary options beyond degrees   This episode is a grounded and generous look at what advocacy looks like in real life—and what happens when parents, educators, and communities believe that communication is non-negotiable.   Links + Resources Learn more about the DREAM Center: dreamcommunitycenter.org Leaders Around Me by Edlyn Peña: Amazon link Communication Alternatives in Autism (Edlyn Peña, editor): Amazon link Follow Vaish on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy

In this episode, I talk with Dr. Diwakar Krishnamurthy—engineer, AI researcher, and parent of a non-speaking autistic teen—about what it takes to build truly accessible communication tools. We discuss: Why most autism tech fails non-speakers How apraxia—not cognitive delay—affects communication What happens when you design technology with non-speaking autistic users How augmented reality tools can support motor planning, regulation, and independence What it means to integrate AI without removing human connection We also talk about the real cost of gatekeeping, the burden placed on parents, and why presuming competence isn’t idealism—it’s the foundation for meaningful progress.   Links + Resources: Learn more and explore the research: etherealresearch.ca Follow me on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy Get the free Non Linear Learning Ebook www.drvaishsarathy.com/nonlinearlearning

In this episode of the Tiger Moms Chat, I sit down with my brilliant friend and co-host, Searmi Park—concertmaster of the Eugene Symphony and founder of Autism Mustang Alliance—to talk about letting go of neurotypical dreams to make space for radical possibility.   As we talk about "Lesser Dreams" - we discuss How some dreams can hold you back! The critical concept of Apraxia (even in how you dream) What happens inside Non Linear Education We also answer a listener’s heartfelt question:   And some Q/A about speaking and going to school and AAC!   🔗 Links + Resources: Learn about Non Linear Education (Enrollment closes May 1!): Follow me on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy Learn more about Autism Mustang Alliance: https://autismmustangalliance.org/  

Vaish and Searmi return for another Tiger Moms Chat—they talk about “Non Linear Education”.  From abandoning division to rediscovering the power of poetry, Vaish shares the personal story behind the name Non Linear Education, and both moms reflect on what happens when you stop chasing curriculum and start chasing connection. Whether you’re new to presuming competence or have been supporting a non-speaker for years, this episode is your permission slip to step out of the box—and into the zone. What you’ll hear in this episode: – Why learning doesn’t have to be (and often shouldn’t be) linear – The myth of the “fluke” and how it holds our kids back – What flow states and horse training have to do with math and poetry – Why scaffolding doesn’t always mean breaking things down – How to shift from building a bridge to weaving a web ✨ Ready to rethink how your child learns? Non Linear Education is now open for enrollment. This course is for parents of autistic and neurodivergent learners who are ready to teach real academics—with joy, flexibility, and full respect for how their children think, move, and grow. 🎓 Enroll now: www.drvaishsarathy.com/nonlineareducation Resources Mentioned: – Searmi Park’s Autism Mustang Alliance: autismmustangalliance.org – Glenn Doman’s work on early learning – Body, Mind, and Sport by Dr. John Douillard Connect with Vaish: – Instagram: @drvaishsarathy  

Can food actually support your child’s focus, regulation, and learning? In this tender AND practical episode of Non Linear Learning, I’m joined by Allison Schaaf—registered dietitian, trained chef, and founder of PrepDish—for a conversation that goes far beyond food prep. We explore how nutrition is not just fuel—it's a tool for regulation, attention, and connection, especially for autistic children, but really just for all children.  And how even the busiest families can find calm and clarity in the kitchen. Tune in now to hear: Why nutritional therapy is different from nutritional support! How to simplify meals without sacrificing nourishment or joy Real-life tips for getting unstuck with restrictive or overwhelming food plans How Allison’s journey led her to create PrepDish and the nonprofit Miscarriage Hope Desk What a true inside-out approach to learning and regulation looks like Conversations about food aren’t ever just about food. It’s about dignity, autonomy, and laying the groundwork for thriving—in body, brain, and spirit. Listen now: Resources Mentioned: Learn more about PrepDish and get 2 weeks free! Visit Miscarriage Hope Desk Follow Allison on Instagram: @prepdish ROAR (Roadmap to Attention and Regulation) is open for enrollment: drvaishsarathy.com/roar Follow me on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy  

What if your child’s brain could literally rewire itself—with the right kind of input? In this empowering episode of Non Linear Learning, I sit down with neuroscientist and BrainHQ CEO Dr. Henry Mahncke to explore the incredible science of neuroplasticity—and what it means for our neurodivergent kids. We break down: The real difference between brain games and effective brain training How sensory input and motor function impact learning and attention Whether structured brain training can help kids with autism, ADHD, and Down syndrome stay focused and regulated Dr. Mahncke shares the research behind BrainHQ and how their tools are helping people of all ages (yes, including our kids!) build the cognitive skills that make a real difference in everyday life. If you’ve ever wondered: Can my child’s brain actually improve, even with a diagnosis? Is there science behind all this brain training talk? How can I support learning without adding more pressure? …this episode is for you. Because when we presume competence and lead with science and soul, radical growth becomes possible. 🔗 Links + Resources: Explore BrainHQ: www.brainhq.com Connect with Dr. Henry Mahncke: LinkedIn Follow me on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy

  Food impacts brain health, learning and behavior! Are you surprised? In this episode, I chat with Julie Matthews, a nutrition expert and mentor I’ve learned from, about how food impacts learning, behavior, and focus—especially for kids with autism. We break down picky eating, gut health, and why simple nutrition changes can make a big difference. Julie shares practical tips parents can start using right away. Can food really help kids focus and learn? Are artificial additives making things worse? What’s the link between gut health and brain function? Julie also introduces her upcoming book, The Personalized Autism Nutrition Plan, which empowers parents to create tailored nutrition strategies for their children. Follow Julie: @bioindividualnutrition Connect with me: @drvaishsarathy Get my easy 6 step picky eating cheat sheet here

I spoke with Madeleine Lauf, founder and CEO of Begin Health, about the critical role of gut health in children's overall wellness and their learning. These are some really powerful connections we uncovered:   Can Prebiotics actually help Picky Eating? Does the Gut Microbiome impact digestive health? What are the differences between Probiotics and Prebiotics? And small daily habits that can make a big difference in your child’s eating AND learning 🌱 Follow Madeleine: @beginhealth👉 Connect with Dr. Vaish Sarathy: @drvaishsarathy GET OUR FREE GUT HEALTH TOOL KIT HERE  

The Tiger Moms Chat is a series of unfiltered hard-hitting (sometimes) conversations. As Searmi and Vaish wonder what it is to be a tiger mom - they think that being a tiger mom partly means pushing past comfort zones. We discuss a few controversial topics in this episode - including the Telepathy Tapes - both for and against.  From Vaish: "The question is not if telepathy is real. It is - is it necessary to sensationalize an already marginalized group?" We discuss if presuming competence is the same as presuming genius and more.  Please check out Episode 171 for more on Apraxia. 

  Do you ever feel like your child is falling behind their peers? In this episode of Non Linear Learning, we talk about the gaps that Traditional Education can create in Neurodivergent learners and 3 ways you can address that right now!  I’ll explain how sensory needs, Apraxia, and an under-resourced education system contribute to the illusion of "lagging behind." Plus, three actionable steps to reframe, support, and empower your child's learning journey. Tune in and let's obliterate the gap!

I first spoke with Dana Johnson nearly 4 years ago, and that conversation completely changed how I saw vision and learning. I call it my "ocular motor awakening"—when I truly understood that vision has three components, and only one of them is corrected by glasses. Dana is the co-creator of the Spellers Method and the founder of multiple centers dedicated to helping non-speaking individuals communicate and learn with purpose. As both an occupational therapist (OT) and a Spellers Method practitioner, she brings a unique approach to supporting individuals with autism, apraxia, dyspraxia, and sensory-motor differences. In this episode, we talk about the power of purposeful motor skills, breaking down barriers for non-speakers, and what real communication means. Key Takeaways:  Vision isn’t just about eyesight—it’s about how the brain processes what we see. Apraxia is a motor planning challenge, not a cognitive one. Communication is possible when we focus on purposeful motor skills. What does right support look like? Get in Touch: 👉 Learn more about Dana Johnson’s work at Spellers Method Tampa👉 Connect with Dr. Vaish Sarathy on Instagram: @drvaishsarathy  

  Is there an expiry date to Autism / Down Syndrome Support Groups? Join self-proclaimed Tiger Moms Searmi Park and Vaish Sarathy as they discuss: a) Why Searmi has never joined a support group, and b) Why Vaish repeatedly leaves every group she joins.  Key Takeaways: Support groups can be both helpful and limiting. Venting is necessary, but it shouldn't cement negativity. Creating a new kind of support group could be beneficial. Join Searmi and Vaish in their A-Ha moments in the Tiger Moms series! Searmi Park is the founder of the Austism Mustang Alliance and the Concermaster at the Eugene Symphony. 

  I learned about the fascinating link between brain function and glucose from Dr. David Stephens, founder of Humanity Restored. With expertise in neuropsychology, neuroscience, and mental health, Dr. Stephens sheds light on how trauma impacts cognition and how glucose therapy might aid recovery. Key Takeaways: Trauma significantly affects learning and cognitive function. Glucose is a crucial brain fuel and may support healing. Dietary interventions can influence neurodevelopmental health. Consulting a healthcare provider is essential before considering new interventions. Get in Touch: 👉 Learn more about Dr. David Stephens' work at https://restoredhumanity.com/s/about.php 👉 Connect with Dr. Vaish Sarathy on Instagram: @dr.vaishsarthy   Disclaimer - I do have a caveat for this episode - and that is this : Dr. Stephens does talk about some specific interventions - glucose therapy is this case. Please take care and make sure you consult with your child’s primary doctor if you decide to follow through on this. The views expressed in this episode are just for education and not for treatment.