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The Wrong Cat Died
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Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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We were honored to be invited to cover the Gold Carpet for the opening night of the highly anticipated production of CATS: The Jellicle Ball with VIPs from the film, TV, and Broadway industries along with the cast and creative team from the production. Hear us discuss the excitement for the opening night, changes from downtown to Broadway, and which Jellicle cat each celebrity would want to play.
Featuring (in order): Co-Directors Zhailon Levingston & Bill Rauch, Associate Director Cooper Howell, Co-Choreographers Omari Wiles & Arturo Lyons, Costume Designer Qween Jean, Junior LaBeija, Leiomy, Ken Ard, Sherrod T. Brown, Garnet Williams, Bebe Nicole Simpson, Kalyn West, Jonathan Burke, Baby Byrne, Dudney Joseph Jr., Emma Sofia, Sydney James Harcourt, Nora Schell, Robert “Silk” Mason, Betty Buckley, Jacob Brent, Kevin Cahoon, Todrick Hall, Jess Val Ortiz, Lea DeLaria, LaChanze, Marti Gould Cummings, Jenn Colella, Olivia Lux, and Vanity LaVain.
About the Production: Cats: “The Jellicle Ball” is a radical reimagining of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s iconic musical based on T. S. Eliot’s Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats, inspired by the Ballroom culture that roared out of New York City over 50 years ago and still rages around the world. Staged as a spectacularly immersive competition by Zhailon Levingston and Artistic Director Bill Rauch.
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“ I went through all these pictures the other day and was crying my eyes out laughing.” This episode features Katie Fairborne who performed as Bombalurina in BYU–Idaho’s 2015 production of CATS, to answer questions sparked by Teresa Jack’s viral social media post. Katie explains how she was a longtime CATS fan recruited to audition because the show needed dancers, and describes how the production toned down the choreography of the show while keeping some story elements like Grizabella’s reincarnation. She details the heavy, layered fur-and-lycra costumes that made the production go viral, the limited archival footage, and the audience reactions.
01:49 CATS Fandom
02:54 Casting Story
12:55 Choreography Changes
21:34 Performances and Reactions
25:23 Costumes and Honor Code
34:05 Rapid Fire
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“I think the premise is clear. They have to compete. For their life. I really don’t know why either.” This episode features Nina White (Kimberly Akimbo, The Queen of Versailles) who is currently appearing at the Cherry Lane Theater in You Got Older. Nina comes on the show to discuss her strong pro-CATS opinions and why she thinks much of the show’s hate is unfounded. Nina shares seeing the tour in Detroit, the characters she gravitated toward, and which role she’d want today, plus thoughts on the CATS: The Jellicle Ball revival and her desire to play Skimbleshanks there. The discussion pivots to You Got Older, as Nina explains the play’s story about a woman returning home during her father’s cancer treatment and its themes of family, presence, and authentic sibling dynamics, including how personal it is to playwright Clare Barron. They end with rapid-fire CATS questions, debate the Jellicle choice, and share how to follow Nina and see the show.
02:14 First CATS Memory
05:24 Dream CATS Roles
15:11 Skimbleshanks Obsession
17:30 You Got Older
20:17 Why the Play Hits Home
34:49 Starlight Express Discussion
37:18 Rapid Fire
Check out Nina on Instagram: @iamninawhite
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“ I believe that they were all linked and in sync all of the cats because there's so many parts in the play where it's so evident within the storytelling that they are all in tune with one another immediately.” This episode features Quentin Earl Darrington who played Old Deuteronomy in the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS and currently appears as the Phantom in Masquerade. Quentin explains how he had never seen CATS before auditioning and researched recordings and commentary to build the show’s story, then recalls the heavy, hot Old Deuteronomy suit, ice-pack vest, and unexpectedly having to dance with elite performers while also playing an opening-number ensemble cat. He describes shaping Old Deuteronomy through biblical books and viewing the Jellicle Choice as a collective, evolving decision, not predetermined, with Deuteronomy as a servant-leader who never expects to ascend. The conversation shifts to Masquerade’s immersive demands, constant variation, and physical backstage navigation, with Quentin embracing unpredictable audience proximity.
01:20 First Encounter With CATS
03:47 Costume Heat and Survival
04:49 Old Deuteronomy Decision Theology
18:48 Masquerade
27:49 Immersive Show Demands
36:17 Reinventing Classics Today
39:07 Rapid Fire
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"It was very important to us that we figure out how to do this in a proscenium house because we want to bring this work to as many people as we can." This episode features Rachel Hauck who is the Scenic Designer for CATS: The Jellicle Ball. Rachel came to discuss the set and stage design at the Broadhurst Theatre sharing her first experience seeing CATS on tour in Los Angeles, what it was like being part of the project early on, and the research and collaboration required to merge Broadway and ballroom culture on stage. We discuss the challenges of designing an immersive runway environment at the PAC, audience sightlines and seating variety, and teased a few fun elements you can expect to see in the theatre.
01:14 Rachel’s CATS Origin Story
07:20 Designing PAC’s Immersive Space
12:04 Building the Broadway Runway
19:10 What Changes on Broadway
24:45 Set Surprises
32:07 Accessibility and Community Reach
32:55 Rapid Fire
Check out CATS: The Jellicle Ball on Social Media: @catsjellicleball
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“No one warns anyone before they go into CATS about just how hot the yak hair is.” This episode features Aaron J. Albano who played Skimbleshanks in the 2016 Broadway revival of CATS. Aaron describes first encountering CATS through the Cameron Mackintosh concert “Hey, Mr. Producer,” then trying the filmed version as a teenager and not finishing it due to the show’s non-linear structure. Hear Aaron offer an elevator-pitch explanation of the show, discuss the strong love/hate reactions CATS inspires, including the fans curiosity around Andy Blankenbuehler's revival compared with Gillian Lynne’s original staging, and even the infamous “Stop Cats” flyers that popped up around town before opening night. Aaron shares his experience covering seven tracks including his wild experience going on mid show. This is an episode you won’t want to miss.
01:00 Aaron’s First Taste of CATS
07:52 Getting Cast in the 2016 Revival
11:02 Life as a Swing
21:32 Becoming Full-Time Skimbleshanks
34:52 Being Thrown On Mid-Show
47:23 Rapid Fire
Check out Aaron on Instagram: @aaronjalbano
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From The Vault: Originally released on June 28, 2024, this was episode 172 with "Robert "Silk" Mason who was the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026!
"All of us have talked about how our characters are us, who we are in life." This episode features Robert "Silk" Mason who plays the magical Mr. Mistoffelees in the production. Hear Silk discuss their experience learninig about CATS, how they bring their personality into the dance numbers, and where Mr. Mistoffelees would fit in the ballroom community. Plus, Silk shares some details on how the Mr. Mistoffelees/Rum Tum Tugger relationship builds in this production.
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“I think that CATS needs to carry on existing. And when I say this word, I mean it with absolute love. Like a museum piece. It deserves to be preserved.” This episode features longtime CATS performer Gavin Eden who most recently played Skimbleshanks on the International Tour and has worked on productions in Germany, Korea, China, and on Royal Caribbean’s Oasis of the Seas. Gavin shares how he first encountered CATS via the 1998 VHS, learning the show in German, and memorable performance moments like going on as Mungojerrie in Act 1 and Mr. Mistoffelees in Act 2. He also dives into his fun onstage improvisational tradition of choosing a different “station master’s daughter” each show as Skimbleshanks.
01:21 First CATS Memory: 1998 VHS, Ballet Roots & Cat Obsessions
06:42 Learning CATS in German
13:33 Character Chemistry
30:28 Global Audience Etiquette
40:21 Onstage War Stories
44:35 Station Master’s Daughters Tradition
49:24 Rapid Fire
Check out Gavin on Instagram: @gabitchi
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“CATS The Jellicle Ball was one of the greatest theatrical experiences I’ve ever seen. It had a massive impact on me and made me a fan of CATS.” This episode features PJ Adzima who is known for his role as Elder McKinley in The Book of Mormon Musical and recent rise of his production company Stage Time. PJ discusses everything from his hesitation to dive too deep into the CATS world, his Broadway journey, and the innovative shows by Stage Time. Stick around for a fun segment where they try to cast Book of Mormon characters as CATS. Plus, get an insider look at some must-see new works and exciting upcoming projects. An episode you won’t want to miss!
00:42 Broadway Debut
01:36 Diving into CATS
05:33 The Jellicle Ball
14:51 Book of Mormon Journey
22:08 The Secret Sauce of a Good Musical
23:08 Stage Time: The Birth of a Production Company
36:11 Rapid Fire
Check out PJ on Social Media: @pjadz
Check out Stage Time on Social Media: @stagetimenyc
Check out the Slam Frank Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/slamfrank/slam-frank-original-cast-recording
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“The Jellicle Ball is a massive dance competition… to prove who’s best to the judge Old Deuteronomy to give them a new life. They are dancing for their lives.” This episode features Cassiel Eatock-Winnik who is currently performing as Victoria in the South Africa touring production of CATS. They discuss Cassiel's journey in musical theater, her unique experiences with the CATS production, and delve into the nuances of character development and performance. Cassiel shares her insights on the competitive nature of the Jellicle Ball, the importance of studying feline behavior for the role, and memorable moments from the show. Tune in for a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at this iconic musical.
01:05 Cassiel's Early Exposure to Theater
02:04 Auditioning for Victoria
09:04 Character Relationships and Dynamics
28:23 Audience Reactions and Reflections
36:13 Memorable Moments on Stage
39:00 Rapid Fire
Check out Cassiel on Instagram: @cassiel101
Check out the South Africa Tour of CATS: www.andrewlloydwebber.com/show/cats
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“There’s always the chance that they can make an announcement of some sort and when that happens, that completely cuts the music in the show. It overrides the singing and everything.” This episode features Savannah DeCrow who recently performed as Grizabella on Royal Caribbean's Oasis of the Seas production of CATS. Learn about Savannah's unique journey from college to cruise life, the dynamics of performing in a moving ship, and her perspective on the show. Discover fascinating behind-the-scenes stories, costume mishaps, and what it's like to live and perform on a cruise ship. Also, get a glimpse of Savannah's social media presence where she shares her extraordinary cruise life. Don't miss this intriguing conversation filled with laughs, mishaps, and musical insights!
01:12 Savannah's Journey to CATS
04:00 Choreography and Rehearsals
07:31 Life on a Cruise Ship
16:34 Performing on a Moving Ship
26:00 Grizabella's Relationships and Theories
35:04 Rapid Fire
Check out Savannah on Instagram: @savdecrow
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“Chrissie set it out as this young lion who is about to inherit the throne. The Jellicle throne.” This episode features Sam Brown who is currently performing as Munkustrap on the International Tour of CATS. Sam shares his journey with the musical, from first discovering it as a child to joining the cast on tour. He dives into the unique storytelling and choreography challenges, the enriching rehearsal process, and the profound influence of director Chrissie Cartwright. Sam also offers a behind-the-scenes look at performing in different countries and the universal appeal of CATS. Listen in as he discusses his thoughts on the show's iconic characters, memorable moments, and who he believes should be the rightful Jellicle choice.
03:16 First Experience Watching Cats Live
04:40 Joining the International Tour
08:26 Rehearsal Process and Character Development
19:55 Audience Reactions and Cultural Differences
25:35 Memorable Moments and Funny Stories
31:54 The Power of Memory
33:21 Rapid Fire
Check out Sam on Instagram: @sam_brown_
Check out the International Tour of CATS: tour.catsthemusical.com
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“The way I approached this whole production is that I wanted this to be the CATS that 11-year-old Tyler would want to see. If there were kids in the audience, I would capture their attention and maybe have them fall in love with the show in the same way that I did." This episode features Tyler Daddario who was the Director of the 2025 production of CATS at the Broadway Theater of Pitman, New Jersey. Tyler shares his personal and professional journey with CATS, starting from his childhood obsession with a Barney VHS trailer to directing a full-scale production. The episode delves into Tyler's unique approach to storytelling and character development, his rehearsal process, audience reactions, and his special family ties to the show. Tune in to hear fascinating behind-the-scenes insights and Tyler's reflections on what he'd change if he could direct Cats again.
01:24 Tyler's Early Love for CATS
02:31 Basement Productions and Family Involvement
06:04 Transition to Professional Theater
07:39 Directing at the Broadway Theater of Pitman
11:12 Rehearsal Process
23:06 Audience Reactions and Reflections
30:05 Family Trees and Interpretations
32:41 Memorable Moments in Production
37:19 Rapid Fire
Check out Tyler's Website: www.tylerdaddario.com
Check out Broadway Theatre of Pitman's Website: www.thebroadwaytheatre.org
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“When you’re acting like a cat to begin with, it’s a lot easier to paw in the direction that people need to be.” This episode features Adam Lendermon who played Skimbleshanks on the US National Tour 5 of CATS. Adam shares his introduction to the show, his audition and rehearsal process, and his experiences on tour, including memorable stories and interactions with fans. He also discusses the personality and backstory of Skimbleshanks, as well as his thoughts on the show's unique elements. Tune in for an in-depth conversation about the challenges and joys of performing in CATS, as well as a special listener story that highlights the impact of the musical.
00:58 First Encounter with Cats
02:37 Audition Process and Joining the Tour
04:40 Rehearsal Process and First Performance
10:50 Character Development and Relationships
15:29 Memorable Tour Stories
30:28 Rapid Fire
Check out Adam on Social Media: @adamlendermon
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“I actually think there is something kind of cool about a bad guy who is pure evil, that there are no redeeming qualities whatsoever.” This episode features Marco Venturini who is currently performing as Macavity on the International Tour of CATS. Marco shares his unique journey from Italy to the musical theater spotlight, reflecting on his early fascination with the musical and the depth of character development in CATS. The conversation dives deep into the intricate backstories of various characters, particularly focusing on Macavity, and offers a fresh perspective on the narrative and choreography of the beloved musical. Ideal for fans and newcomers alike, this episode is a blend of behind-the-scenes insights and passionate discussions about the timeless appeal of CATS.
00:58 Marco's Journey with CATS
01:43 Cultural and Linguistic Challenges
19:18 Macavity's Character and Relationships
34:00 The Complexity of CATS Characters
35:33 The Ensemble's Role and Dynamics
51:20 Rapid Fire Question
Check out Marco on Instagram: @marco.r.venturini
Check out the International Tour of CATS: tour.catsthemusical.com
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From The Vault: Originally released on June 25, 2024, this was episode 171 with "Tempress" Chasity Moore who was Grizabella in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and Tempress will be Grizabella!
"When we were building, the connection between us (Macavity & Grizabella) was that he used to be in the House of Glamour at one time." This episode features "Tempress" Chasity Moore who plays Grizabella in the production. Hear Chasity discuss her experience being back on stage, how she's tackling Memory each night, and a dive into the ballroom history as the founding mother of her own house. Plus, Tempress shares a fun ballroom character aspect their production has between her and Macavity.
Check out Tempress on Instagram: @i_am_tempress
Check out Tempress' podcast on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@FQCrazySexyCool
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From The Vault: Originally released on September 3, 2024, this was episode 184 with André De Shields who was Old Deuteronomy in PAC's CATS: The Jellicle Ball. CATS: The Jellicle Ball will be transferring to Broadway in March of 2026 and André will be Old Deuteronomy!
"A theater is a temple. This is the fourth institution where the five necessary questions are answered. You have to answer a question. You have to resolve a crisis. You have to lift a burden. You have to break a yoke. Take that albatross off the neck of the people who have come for redemption. That's why we come and sit in a dark place with strangers. It's a kind of atonement, right?" This episode features André De Shields who plays Old Deuteronomy in this production. Hear André share his thoughts on the production, how he created his character, and how he views the story of CATS. Plus, André gives a passionate defense for why Grizabella has to be the Jellicle choice in this production.
Check out André on Instagram: @andre_deshields
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“ It's like an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. You know there's a lot of people there. Some of them have very furry backs. Most of them pretend to dance and there's some cat fights. And then at the end one is chosen and everybody else is upset.” This episode features the multi-talented Ginger Minj, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 and current host of a North American tour of Hokus Pokus Live. Ginger shares her first impressions of CATS, childhood memories, and thoughts on its characters and plot. The episode dives into Ginger's exciting year, new music releases, upcoming film, and memorable interactions with the cast of Hocus Pocus 2. Don't miss this entertaining and insightful conversation about musical theater, drag, and so much more!
00:48 First Encounter with CATS
02:15 Understanding and Interpreting CATS
07:53 Cats and RuPaul's Drag Race Parallels
16:33 Hocus Pocus Live and Career Highlights
28:43 Upcoming Film Projects
31:12 Rapid Fire
Check out Ginger's Website: gingerminj.com
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“ It's like a group of misfits gathering behind the bleachers after school. And we're all weird and no one wants to hang out with us. So we get together and we tell stories together.” This episode features Bryce Bayer who played Munkustrap in the 2025 Music Theatre Heritage production of CATS in Kansas City. Bryce shares insights on his unique experience with this non-traditional version, including the use of minimal characters, a hip-hop and jazz infusion, and the fascinating concept of a ritualistic book club. Learn about Bryce's journey from no prior CATS experience to embracing and performing in this innovative interpretation.
03:01 The Unique 2025 Production of Cats
05:24 Rehearsal Insights and Podcast Discovery
08:09 Character Dynamics and Conceptual Approach
33:30 Creative Interpretations
36:04 Excitement for Traditional and Non-Traditional Productions
39:14 Innovative Stage Design and Props
43:02 Rapid Fire
Check out Bryce on Instagram: @bbayer7
Check out MTH on Social Media: @MTHTheater
Check out MTH's website: musictheaterheritage.com
Check out The Music Man on Tour: themusicmantour.com
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“I was involved basically since the very first workshop. I was the original Rum Tum Tugger.” This episode features Cooper Howell who was an Associate Director of the Perelman Performing Arts Center's reimagined production of CATS: The Jellicle Ball and will be continuing the role during the Broadway Transfer. Cooper shares their unique journey from their first Broadway show experience in the first grade to becoming a pivotal figure in the CATS production. Discover their personal connection to the show, their transition from actor to director, and the exciting elements of the new production. Don't miss this in-depth conversation about theater, creativity, and the transformative power of love.
00:51 Cooper's First Encounter with CATS
15:17 Transition from Actor to Director
21:46 Role of an Associate Director
25:04 Changes for the Broadway Stage
32:52 Guest Judges and Iconic Hosts
38:06 Rapid Fire
Check out Cooper on Social Media: @thecooperhowell
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