Wine School Dropout

As a black woman, whenever I step into a winery or a wine tasting or a tasting event, I scan the room to see who’s there. What’s the scene, what’s the demographic. I don’t know why, it’s just something I do when I’m in a space that I think or is known to be a predominately white space. Back when I first started attending wine tastings is like 2006 or so in Washington DC, the makeup of the room was vastly different than it is now. And I have to say I smile a bit to myself because of this!! The American wine industry is a lot more colorful now if I may say so. Buuuuuut there is still more work to be done. So, when I went to South Africa and toured around Stellenbosch, I was very intrigued to see what it would be like. I’m thinking it’s Africa so black, right? When I stepped off the plane and into the airport, yep I was right, there were black people as far as the eye could see. It was great! I was whisked away to the wine region of Stellenbosh and was greeted at the front gates, then saw people working in the vineyards, a black gentleman poured me a glass of wine in the tasting room. Okay Stellenbosch, this is great!! As I started to meet the managers and the owners, the colors faded away.CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta.Hosted by Tanisha Townsend.Our executive producer is Lory Martinez.Edited by our sound designer is Luis Lopez.Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos.Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso.Music is by Makaih beats.Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

While fairly young on the world scene, South Africa has a long history with wine. Vitis vinifera was first planted in South Africa by the Dutchman Jan van Riebeeck in 1655. And in 1659 he produced the first bottle. Today exports are reaching upwards of 388 million litres, and more than 2 613 farmers cultivate some 90 512 hectares of land under vines.One cannot talk about visiting South African wine regions without talking about the grapes themselves. While there isn’t enough time in this season to speak on each grape grown in South Africa, I did want to highlight a couple from some tastings that I participated in during my time there. You’ll hear from an American, that had a chance meeting on a train in France that led her to making wine in South Africa, and Ina Smith, Manager of the Chenin Blanc Association.CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta.Hosted by Tanisha Townsend.Our executive producer is Lory Martinez.Edited by our sound designer is Luis Lopez.Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos.Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso.Music is by Makaih beats.Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I am having so much fun creating this season for you, I hope you’re enjoying it as well. This season, Semester Abroad is to give you an overview, or a highlight if you will, of the wines and wine culture of South Africa. In this episode I want you to come to know what life is like drinking, serving and teaching the wines we’ve just been talking about. Let me introduce you to Roxan Waldeck, sommelier and educator in South Africa. A theme throughout our conversation is about how all of this is bigger than just wine, bigger than just us. There’s a bit of talk in the industry on how to train the youth coming up, or how to even attract them to the wine industry. As for South Africa, Roxan has a few ideas.CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta.Hosted by Tanisha Townsend.Our executive producer is Lory Martinez.Edited by our sound designer is Luis Lopez.Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos.Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso.Music is by Makaih beats.Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re continuing with winemaking for this episode but with a twist. I met Corlea Fourie at a wine dinner and had no idea of the winemaker she was and the accolades she’s received. It’s always better this way for me as I won’t get nervous and go completely fan girl haha. The story of how she got into winemaking is heart warming and learning more about her role and how she does things at Bosman Family Vineyards is, in a word, fascinating!! I got the chance to spend a day learning about their vineyard and their regenerative practices and I want to share that with you all, my audience as there is a lot of talk about this as it relates to what we eat and drink. Seeing first hand their efforts of how to work in a more sustainable and regenerative way, how they give back to their community at large…. Well let me stop talking about it and let you listen to Corlea tell you all about this in her words.CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta.Hosted by Tanisha Townsend.Our executive producer is Lory Martinez.Edited by our sound designer is Luis Lopez.Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos.Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso.Music is by Makaih beats.Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I gave a little teaser at the end of last week’s episode, mentioning champagne. Any other region outside of champagne must call their sparkling wine something else, even if they use the same method. I had the pleasure of meeting Andiswa Mapheleba at a wine dinner. She mentioned that she brought some of the wine she made to the dinner, the sparkling wines she made! This young black African woman is in the wine industry, but making sparkling wines at a major producer in South Africa?! Clearly we had to talk more. In today’s episode you’ll hear Andiswa’s story of how she got into wine, sparkling wine, and what’s going on in the South African wine industry right now. Enjoy!CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta.Hosted by Tanisha Townsend.Our executive producer is Lory Martinez.Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella.Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos.Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso.Music is by Makaih beats.Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you have a bucket list? What’s on your bucket list? Is it a list of things you want to acheive before you turn 50? Or a list of places you want to visit? Mine was a list of places I wanted to visit and at the top of that list was wine country in South Africa. Well guess what ladies and gentlemen, that dream came true!! Goal achieved, I visited Stellenbosch, South Africa this year and tasted the most amazing wines and met some of the kindest people! Speaking of kind people, the hospitality in South Africa is top notch! My first guest of this season will speak to that specifically as she is international Sales Marketing Manager of Kanonkop Wine Estate. From literally the second I met her, I was drawn to Deidre Taylor. I heard her laugh, then she smiled and I said, Who is that? I need to meet her. So I did and she is fantastic. A marketing dynamo she’s been called in fact. Can have a conversation with anyone and lives to tell you about South Africa wine & wine culture, specifically Kanonop. Starting off our season with the warmest South African welcome and talking about the hospitality they are known for, here is Deidre Taylor. CREDITS: Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Our Producrion Manager is Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our logo is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, that was fast! We’ve come to the end of the season. But what an amazing season it was!! We’ve talked about French drinking culture from aperitif all the way through to digestif and learned a lot about how they do things from the perspective of an expat. Now let’s hear from the host herself, Tanisha or Girl Meets Glass as she takes us around Paris for a ‘day in the life’. Find out more about her and some of her fav places in this episode. We hope you enjoy listening to this one as much as we enjoyed making it. Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I love a little something sweet after dinner. Like it doesn’t quite feel complete if I just eat my entree or main course and that’s it. And since this is kind of a boozy podcast, we’re gonna end our meal with a digestif. Digestif is defined in Wikipedia as - A digestive is drink,alcoholic or not, which is usually taken at the end of a meal, and which is supposed to help digestion and invigorate at the end of a long meal.  In today’s episode we’re finishing up the meal so to speak and talking about Digestif Culture. Meet Amy Pasquet of Cognac Pasquet and Allison Parc of Brenne Whisky which is made in Cognac. They’ll talk language, developing a spirits brand and being a woman while doing it in another country.Special thanks to our guests Amy Pasquet @cognacpasquet and Allison Parc @allisonparc of @brennewhisky on IG.Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Us Americans over here have been having a really good time talking about the nuances of learning the French language, navigating culture differences and finding love and work. But, I think it’s high time we added another layer to this season. In this episode I’m happy to introduce to you a French business owner with a very interesting concept aimed at Anglophones in Paris and an American restaurant owner with French parents and a deep passion and love for French wines. What are their views regarding French food & drink culture? What is it like to not even think about that because whatever you do, its ‘the French way’ because you are? Take a listen and see how their thoughts line up with what you’ve been hearing about all season.Special thanks to our guests Estelle Hirren @Gourmet_Cinema and Yannick Benjamin @yannickbenjamin of restaurant @contentonyc on IG.Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When you first come to visit Paris, you run around the city trying to see all of the sites, take all of the photos and eat all of the croissants you possibly can. But those of us that have made France our home know that French dining culture is much more intentional. Inviting friends to your home, sitting around the table to laugh, talk, and drink a little wine perhaps. When was the last time you sat around the table, not in front of the tv or standing around grabbing snacks off a plate,  with guests in your home and enjoyed a meal?Today’s expat in Paris guests share their philosophy and thoughts on the French ‘À Table Culture’ and being more intentional about our meals and making meal time a bit more, beautiful. Enjoy.Special thanks to our guests Preeti Gill @LittleLifeTable on IG and TikTok and Ajiri Aki @MadamedelaMaison on IG. Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Whenever I mention that I’m in the wine industry, a follow up question is usually, ‘do you want to make your own wine?’ The answer for me is a resounding no! I totally respect what they do but that is just not my gift. But there are quite a few people that dream of being a winemaker, and then to live in France on top of that…that’s kinda like the ultimate dream right? In this episode we’ll hear from an American woman who is doing just that. She exchanged her life and comfort in the States live amongst the vineyards of France, eventually making her very own cuvée. Some parts of the life are a dream, but as with anything, there are challenges as well. I’m so excited to introduce you to Carrie-Anne Sumner.Special thanks to our guest Carrie Anne. You can find her on IG @carrieannesumner, @domaine_des_enfants and FB @chromasoma.frThank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When people think about France and Paris in particular, their thoughts immediately go to croissants, and then wine. Maybe cheese, but definitely wine. We think of sitting outdoors at a cafe in those Parisian bistro chairs and swirling a glass of red wine while watching the people go by. Does that make us tourists? Do the French really drink and eat like we think they do? Let’s ask the ONLY American in Paris, Comedianne Sarah Donnelly about some French drinking misconceptions, their drinking culture and her go-to wine pairing.Special thanks to our guest. You can find Sarah Donnelly on instagram @sarahdcomedy.Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apero or Aperitif hour is yes, a time to decompress after work but it’s so much more and different than that. The time to drink, what the drinks are, it’s so much more intentional and particular in French culture. For this episode of WSD I’m speaking with two Americans that live in Paris, about the drinking culture here, and apero hour means to them.Special thanks to our guests. You can find Forest Collins on instagram at @52martinis and Allison Caves at @izzysparis.Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by me, Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez. Edited by our sound designers Luis Lopez and Chiara Santella. Production coordination by Catalina Hoyos. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune.Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you like the show, tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, sit back, relax and have a glass.  Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As a part of our trip to Southern Italy with Radici del Sud, the WSD team had the pleasure of visiting Pietroventosa Winery. Within five minutes of hearing Pietroventosa winemaker Marianna speak about her wines, the landscape, and her region of Gioia del Colle, I knew I wanted to talk to her more! Marianna was interesting, funny, lively and her wines made from the Primitivo and Negroamaro grapes, stunning! In this talk, Marianna shares her winemaking passion and the history of wines in Gioia del Colle with us. She also mentions a famous Hollywood neighbour. Listen closely to find out who it is!CREDITS: This episode was produced by Studio Ochenta and hosted by Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez, our sound editor is Luis Raul Lopez Levi. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune. Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you liked the show, you should tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts! Until next time, sit back relax, and have a glass. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you ever been sitting around with your friends, talking and laughing...maybe a little drinking, and you came up with this crazy idea? Whatever the idea was, one of you in the group thought it was nuts and you let it go. But what would happen if you actually did it? Three friends in southern Italy had the idea to make sparkling wines in Italy similar to Champagne. They didn’t just talk about it though, they did it! Fast forward to now and we’re talking with a daughter of the original three men as she tells us of her role in the business and what it’s like to make sparkling wine in Italy.  In this episode meet Anna D'Amico from D'Arapri Winery in Puglia, Italia. Credits: Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This episode was produced by Studio Ochenta and hosted by Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez, our sound editor is Luis Raul Lopez Levi. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune. Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. You can find more information about the wines of Cantine d'Amico at https://www.cantinedamico.com/ and on Facebook and Twitter @cantinedamico*******It's not a secret that France loves cheese and wine - so not surprising that an entire culture revolves around the consumption of these two great gifts to the culinary world. Come and discover one of the best parts of French culture with a Cheese & Wine Class or a Wine Tasting class. Come and join Host Tanisha Townsend on a Cheese and Wine Class or Wine Tasting Class - a great opportunity to experience the French terroir -  the flavor of the earth and the culture of the land. During this 2-hour class, you'll sample some of the finest cheeses and wines, learn the techniques and language of cheese/wine tasting, and the concept of terroir.  Spend a great evening in a relaxed atmosphere with beautiful surroundings in the heart of Montmartre and get a great headstart to fully understand & appreciate our love for French cheese & wine and help you approach them with greater confidence. Visit Cooknwithclass.com, search Paris classes for more information, or to book your date.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Italian food and wine are a perfect combination. We all know this. So this week we chatted with an expert in what makes the best Italian food pairings to go with your favorite Italian wines. Natasha of Mamma Mia Lab produces organic preserves and spreads to pair with the wines of Southern Italy. Tune in to hear her recs for Italian wine and food pairings to die for.CREDITS:Thank you for listening to Wine School Dropout. This episode was produced by Studio Ochenta and hosted by Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez, our sound editor is Luis Raul Lopez Levi. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune. Follow us @wineschooldropout on IG. If you liked the show, you should tell a friend about it and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts! Until next time, sit back relax, and have a glass.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Wine School Dropout friends! We're back with a brand new season this fall, and this time we're going to study abroad in SOUTHERN ITALY! That's right. We took a trip to Puglia, Italy this summer, so this season is gonna give you the ins and outs of all the italian wines you love. This first episode is a guide to grapes, courtesy of italian wine aficionados and owners themselves. Enjoy!Thanks for listening. This episode was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by Tanisha Townsend, aka Girl Meets Glass. It was edited by Luis Raul Lopez Levi. You can find more info on our guests over on our website: https://ochentastudio.com/wine-school-dropout-podcast and you can binge our last 2 seasons there too, and if you're not ready for fall just yet, check out a special mini-season we did on summer wine this past July. A huge thank you to the contributors of this episode - Vini giancarlo ceci, Vini Coppola, Marino Palmirotta of Vini Coppi, Marianna Pietraventosa Winery, & Beniamino D’Agostino of Botromagno Vigneti and of course everyone at Radici del Sud that made this possible. Follow the wineries on social media and if you’re ever in the region, definitely pay them a visit! Be sure to tell them you heard about them on the Wine School Dropout podcast.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What a trip we’ve taken this season! We’ve been to China, Provence, Bordeaux, South Africa, Tasmania… of course it only makes sense that we finish up in Paris. For the final episode of this season of Wine School Dropout we speak with friend and studio mate Sutanya Dacres of the Dinner for One podcast. Now, Sutanya isn’t a wine professional or in the industry at all… she’s actually the type of consumer we created this show for. With episodes from Season 1 like Wine Language and Finding Your Wine Yoda, we wanted you, our listeners, to be able to gain practical knowledge from each episode that you could take with you and use right away. Sutanya is all about cooking and she makes amazing dishes in her kitchen, all with fresh ingredients from local butchers, fromageries and green grocers. But how is she when she talks to the French caviste? Well, take a listen! CREDITS: I know you enjoyed hearing from Sutanya so please follow her on Twitter or Instagram. That's dinner for a period. one, spell out the one. Or dinner phone podcast, dot com.  There you have it everyone, another great conversation to finish out the season here for Wine School Dropout. Thank you for supporting this season. You can find more info on Girl Meets glass  my virtual wine tastings, wine guide to Paris (for when you can return) on my website www.girlmeetsglass.com and of course follow on all forms of social media, GirlMeetsGlass and WineSchoolDropoutContinue supporting the businesses and entrepreneurs we featured this season by following them on social media and by checking out their work. To listen to this season again (and again) in its entirety, it's available on ochentapodcasts.com/wineschool dropout. If you like the show tell a friend, until next time, sit back, relax, and have a glass! Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Some of us think of one thing we want to do or what we’re good at, select a place and then go do that thing. Well, you all know my story and how that didn’t work quite the same for me and not quite the same for today’s guest Zhuoxu. Born in China, but wanting to learn wine at a top institution, he went to California to work a harvest and gain some wine-making skills. Then also worked vineyards in Australia and then went back to China to make wine and work in imports/exports. Zhuoxu’s story is fascinating in how he navigates the differences in the world of wine on multiple continents, from work ethic to translations yet he handles them flawlessly. Currently in China but awaiting his next adventure on another continent, here’s Zhuoxu.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tuanni Price of South African wine tourism company, Zuri Wine Tasting tells us how she adapted to lockdown restrictions to keep her business thriving.This podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta. Hosted by Tanisha Townsend. Our executive producer is Lory Martinez, our sound editor is Luis Raul Lopez Levi. Our theme was done by Gabriel Dalmasso. Music is by Makaih beats. Our art is by Tiffanie Delune. Follow us on IG @wineschooldropout.******PSST! I know you can’t be here in Paris right now, but how about a virtual wine tasting? Take a one hour Tour de France with Girl Meets Glass and hear about current life in Paris as we talk about the famed wine regions of France and taste a few wines together. For purchase visit my website www.girlmeetsglass.com and select "Work with Girl Meets Glass."Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/wine-school-dropout. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.