Uncensored CMO

This is the first episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe here:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cKnow your e.l.f.ing numbers - it's your responsibility as a leader. Jon and Kory share stories of when this has helped them in roles, and share advice on how CMOs can be successful in getting more budget, taking bigger risks and, ultimately, grow the brand (for 25 consecutive quarters in Kory’s case).Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:34 - You just do the cutting, sticking and colouring in01:42 - Why knowing your numbers is so important for CMOs05:25 - Making the case for long term marketing investment08:10 - Why CMOs need to earn the right to take risks12:05 - Managing internal politics in the c-suite15:16 - Kory’s formula to create successful work

Jenn Chase, CMO of SAS, joins us to share how one of the world’s most established AI and analytics companies is reinventing its brand. From launching SAS’s first brand campaign in 25 years to shifting the organisation from performance-led to brand-led thinking, Jenn walks through what it takes to drive meaningful change inside a founder-led business.We also discuss how COVID reshaped the brand, why SAS is leaning into humour, the decision to sponsor Liverpool FC, and where AI is having the biggest impact on marketing today. Plus, Jenn shares leadership lessons, the skills every modern CMO needs, and how to build a great culture.Timestamps00:00 - Start01:00 - What is SAS?02:11 - Being a founder led business after 50 years04:38 - Being at the company for 27 years06:03 - How Jenn became CMO of SAS07:57 - How COVID changed the brand forever08:33 - Launching their first brand campaign in 25 years09:22 - Convincing the business to switch from performance to brand10:45 - Creating an effective relationship with the finance team14:31 - What did the business think of the first brand campaign in 25 years?17:22 - How did they manage the effectiveness of their brand campaign?22:04 - Why their new campaign leans into humour24:28 - Why SAS decided to sponsor Liverpool FC27:06 - How to sell in a big idea to an organisation?32:16 - Where is AI having the biggest impact in marketing?36:25 - Leadership advice from Brene Brown39:54 - Skills to be a successful CMO42:59 - What creates a great culture45:12 - How big of a change will AI search be47:08 - The 95:5 rule

This is the first episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe here:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cFailure needs to be rebranded. Most see it negatively, but history shows great successes are followed shortly after failures. Jon and Kory tackle the stigma against failures, why we should embrace them across the organisations we work for. They also share their biggest failures in their career and what they’ve learned from them.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:54 - Why are we afraid to talk about failure?04:07 - Why failures set you up for success11:11 - Jon’s biggest failure18:20 - Kory’s biggest failure

After collaborating with Worldwide Partners on the Confessions of a CMO report (the anonymous report asking top tier CMOs what they really think about the state of the role), I thought I'd team up with the world's most opinionated professor to discuss some of the comments. We talk tenure, politics, management and more.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:04 - How the Uncensored CMO started02:41 - How Confessions of a CMO originated03:44 - The CMO tenure data06:35 - Why the CMO role isn’t dead, it’s just changing12:02 - The real 4 Ps of a CMO18:57 - Becoming the Chief Mood Officer22:16 - Why marketing needs to provide the meaning for the business27:04 - Why CMOs need to combine data and storytelling28:38 - Why CMOs need to create momentum40:53 - Were there any surprises from the report?About Worldwide Partners:Worldwide Partners, Inc. (WPI), the world’s most collaborative agency network, enables growth through access, flexibility and partnership. With over 90 independent agencies in more than 50 countries, and experience in over 90 industry verticals, Worldwide Partners serves as a hub that harnesses the talent, expertise and diversified capabilities of the agencies within our network to reimagine growth for both brands and agencies.

Listen to the launch episode of my brand new show, Uncensored Renegades, co-hosted with Kory Marchisotto, CMO of e.l.f. and a previous guest on Uncensored CMO.Listen to the new show here:Apple PodcastsSpotifyIn Uncensored Renegades, we talk about the things most people are too afraid to discuss: being fired, failure, terrible bosses, and more.Get to know your hosts, Jon Evans and Kory Marchisotto, hear why we started the show, and find out what’s coming next.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:06 - Background to Uncensored Renegades01:59 - Why Renegades?02:39 - The response to Jon’s launch post05:48 - What topics will be discussed on the show?08:47 - The partnership that led to the podcast11:50 - Why the name “Renegades”?13:54 - Getting to know Jon and Kory27:45 - What do you do to recharge?38:33 - Inspiring books41:32 - Crowdsourcing topic ideas

Our most popular guest ever is back - Rory Sutherland returns for a wide-ranging conversation on why marketing works best when it embraces luck, spontaneity, and a little irrationality. From the dangers of confected outrage and self-censorship to the unfair economics of marketing, Rory challenges the industry’s obsession with logic, optimisation, and process.We discuss why success is often misunderstood as skill rather than luck, the value of doing a few things irresponsibly, and why inefficiency can be a feature rather than a flaw. As ever, Rory connects behavioural science, creativity, and business reality in ways few others can.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:16 - How Rory deals with his new micro fame03:12 - How Jon shut down the London Underground07:04 - The problem with confected outrage10:34 - How self-censoring is affecting creativity12:10 - The power of spontaneity and luck in advertising16:03 - The unfair economics of marketing20:54 - Is success just luck?23:12 - Spend 95% responsibly, and 5% irresponsibly30:12 - Doubling down on what your competitors do badly34:32 - Why so many businesses are no longer customer focused35:29 - Inefficiency as a feature37:08 - The power of herd mentality43:26 - What marketers can teach the business world48:13 - Why internal process is killing businesses51:15 - Lessons from 200 years of The Spectator advertising54:47 - Rory’s closing thoughts on marketing

Les Binet and Sarah Carter are back for our yearly special, tacking the biggest marketing stories of the year and what to focus on in 2026. We explore the power of consistency, disguised repetition, and why brands so often misunderstand campaigns. Les and Sarah explain why big brands can’t behave like small ones (and vice versa), how marketers can persuade businesses to invest more in the long term, and whether we’re seeing the end of the purpose era and a return to product-led growth. We also look ahead to the role of AI versus craft in advertising, and what the evidence suggests for the year ahead.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:38 - The year of consistency05:26 - Disguised repetition11:13 - Do we define campaigns wrong?12:27 - Why you need to go big on your media spend17:07 - Why big brands can’t market like small brands and vice versa23:15 - How can you persuade your business to spend more28:52 - Why don’t we do the long term work, despite the evidence34:19 - Why everyone is wrong about CMO tenure37:18 - Have we seen the end of the purpose era? (and the renaissance of product)44:50 - AI vs craft in advertising

In this special crossover episode, we’re joined by Jimmy McLoughlin, host of Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future, to explore the intersection of politics, media, and marketing. Jimmy shares how he built one of the UK’s most influential political podcasts, landed interviews with the Prime Minister, and why big podcasts now rival traditional media in shaping public opinion.We also compare the most impactful episodes from both shows, debate trust in marketing and politics, unpack why some of today’s biggest tech brands struggle with branding, and make the case for humour in advertising. Timestamps00:00 - Start01:37 - How Jimmy McLoughlin became a podcaster04:21 - How Jimmy got the Prime Minister of the UK on the pod08:50 - The power of big podcasts11:43 - Why can’t politicians be honest?12:56 - The top 5 episodes of Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future16:59 - The top 5 episodes of Uncensored CMO in 202521:25 - What episode has inspired Jimmy the most23:27 - What episode has inspired Jon the most?29:34 - What politician would Jon most like to interview?30:33 - The danger of all the new podcasts being released33:27 - The most untrustworthy professions; marketing and politics34:39 - Webinars need a rebrand35:56 - Why no marketer was involved with branding ChatGPT37:27 - Monzo’s great marketing in 202539:33 - The serious case for humour in advertising39:58 - The different types of happiness in advertising41:46 - The shifting advertising landscape46:13 - Approaching marketing like a politician47:51 - Career advice in 2026 from Jimmy McLoughlin49:20 - When politics and marketing collide

This week’s bonus episode comes from Never Mind the Adverts, hosted by Jon Evans and joined by returning Uncensored CMO guest Orlando Wood. Together, they look back on the biggest marketing stories, debates, and creative moments of 2025. Expect festive cheer, some interesting tipples, and a healthy dose of advertising showmanship.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:41 - Starting with some festive cheer02:04 - The big news stories from 202502:20 - The multiplier effect03:51 - The creative dividend05:05 - The Cost of Dull Media07:17 - Les Binet Go Big or Go Home09:22 - The Wild West of Influencer Measurement13:00 - How the pause screen has become an advertising channel14:30 - Sydney Sweeney, American Eagle and Jaguar - The Crisis16:15 - Mergers and WPP17:26 - Drinks Trolley Break19:00 - Jon’s highlight - awards20:12 - Orlando Wood’s highlight of 202521:46 - Rory Sutherland vs Scott Galloway22:35 - Jon and Alix Earle in Cannes23:52 - Jon cycles up a mountain with Zwift25:12 - Becoming trustee for the History of Advertising Trust26:42 - The History of Christmas Advertising with a special guest33:10 - Who won Christmas in 2025?34:27 - Aldi and Kevin the Carrot35:18 - Waitrose’s strong Christmas showing36:28 - The most viewed Christmas Ads on YouTube37:25 - Amazon re-airing their Christmas ad this year38:20 - The growth of Christmas Ads in 202539:47 - The right brained nature of the successful Christmas ads40:51 - The Coca Cola AI Christmas Ad43:23 - The Never Mind the Adverts Awards44:02 - System1 Star of the Year44:51 - System1 Turkey of the Year45:32 - Name that ad

Emma Harris spent a decade revolutionising Eurostar as its Marketing and Sales Director, leading the brand through years of success and navigating multiple crises. Now the Founder and Chief of Glow London, she works with clients around the world to build brands that are deeply connected to their people and culture.In this episode, Emma shares her journey through marketing, leadership, and entrepreneurship, and the life-altering moment that forced her to rethink everything. After suffering a cardiac arrest, she reflects on ambition, burnout, and what really matters. We talk about building great teams, leaving safe roles to start something new, bouncing back from the hardest year of her life, and why slowing down might be the most radical, and necessary, leadership move as we head into 2026.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:52 - How Emma got into marketing04:58 - What can sales learn from marketers?07:36 - How to respond to a comms crisis?12:17 - Lessons from a 10 year tenure at a company14:14 - How to get the best out of your employees16:49 - How to hire great people18:14 - Why Emma left her safe role to setup her own agency19:41 - Bouncing back from the worst year of your life20:42 - Why Emma set up Glow, her agency21:39 - Advice for being your own boss22:34 - Emma’s life changing cardiac arrest25:54 - Life lessons from almost dying28:06 - Why you need to slow the f*ck down33:58 - How we should approach the new year37:04 - The power of accountability

As has become a tradition, marketing professor Mark Ritson is back to break down his top 10 marketing moments of the year. We talk fighter brands, the president, Amazon's grannies, deepfakes, mergers and more in this snappy episode. There's nothing more to say - strap in and enjoy the opinionated marketing professor dropping some clangers.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:32 - Mark Ritson’s top 10 stories of the year01:55 - 10. A big year for mergers04:35 - 9. The painkiller vs the president09:42 - 8. Tesla’s Fighter Brand Failure12:56 - Mark Ritson’s advice to Elon Musk23:05 - 6. Amazon brings back the grannies (compounding)30:10 - Marketing Buzzwords of 202530:20 - Buzzword 1: Hyperpersonalisation30:54 - Buzzword 2: Onmichannel Marketing31:44 - Buzzword 3: Growth Hacking32:38 - 5: The great Cracker Barrel crisis of 202539:06 - 4. Starbucks and their positioning42:10 - 3: New CEOs chasing growth vs gimmicks43:44 - 2. Deepfake Martin Lewis and fraudulent advertising48:33 - 1: Maxi-miniflation

Andrew Warden, CMO of Semrush, joins us to unpack how AI is reshaping search, and what it means for marketers heading into 2026. We discuss whether SEO is really “dead,” the biggest insights from Semrush’s new AI Visibility Index, and how different AI models surface and rank content across industries. Andrew also shares why brand and digital visibility matter more than ever, the growing importance of creators in AI-driven discovery, and practical advice for CMOs trying to stay ahead as search rapidly evolves.This episode is brought to you by Semrush — your unfair advantage in digital brand visibility. From fast-growing teams to global enterprises, Semrush shows you where you stand, where you can win, and how to stay visible across AI Search and LLMs. With unrivaled data and real AI intelligence, Semrush helps you move faster, grow faster, and make sure your brand is the answer wherever customers ask.Timestamps00:00 - Intro02:08 - How disruptive is AI for search in 2026?04:19 - Is SEO dead now because of AI?08:32 - Biggest surprises from Semrush’s new AI Visibility Index Report11:04 - How different AI models treat different industries13:05 - Understanding how AI ranks different sources15:48 - Why content creators are important in the age of AI search18:35 - Why you need to be failing fast in AI21:10 - Why brand matters more in the age of AI24:20 - Why digital brand visibility matters so much26:28 - Advice for CMOs for getting on top of AI for search30:21 - Is AI just making decisions for us?33:19 - Why humanity, authenticity and emotion are more important than ever36:12 - What is Semrush One?

Jo Shoesmith, Chief Creative Officer at Amazon, joins us for a second time to reveal how one of the world’s biggest brands continues to make advertising that connects emotionally and stands the test of time. She shares what she’s learned moving from agency life to leading creativity inside a global giant, why Amazon still invests in traditional media, and the secret to ads that run for 3–5 years without losing impact.We also discuss why right-brained storytelling works, the surprising insights about Gen Z, and how Amazon balances scale, agility, and creativity in the age of AI.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:21 - Learnings from going agency side to brand side04:18 - How much does Amazon spend on advertising each year?05:02 - Why Amazon still advertises using traditional media06:21 - Why is Amazon’s creative so effective?08:57 - Why Amazon’s advertising is so right brained10:33 - Why Amazon make ads to run for 3-5 years14:25 - Amazon re-airing the popular “Grannies” ad17:00 - Why the industry is obsessed with youth18:33 - The interesting numbers behind Gen Z and advertising21:00 - Japanese Granny Ad from Amazon23:07 - The only Cannes Lion Jon has ever won26:11 - Using production to discover new stories29:48 - Amazon’s CCO’s thoughts on AI and creativity32:56 - Is AI used in the creative process at Amazon?35:29 - How does such a big company stay so agile?36:24 - What one thing has made the biggest difference for Jo?

Zaria Parvez was the creative mastermind behind Duolingo's social media success, having joined the company in 2020 fresh out of University. 5 years later, and after 8 billion impressions, she's left for her next challenge - taking on the social media for Doordash. We speak to Zaria to find out what the secret to the viral success is, and how she plans to replicate this at Doordash.This episode is brought to you by Semrush — your unfair advantage in digital brand visibility. From fast-growing teams to global enterprises, Semrush shows you where you stand, where you can win, and how to stay visible across AI Search and LLMs. With unrivaled data and real AI intelligence, Semrush helps you move faster, grow faster, and make sure your brand is the answer wherever customers ask.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:34 - Why Zaria left Duolingo01:32 - Why Zaria moved from Duolingo to Doordash02:44 - Coping with a rapid career trajectory04:58 - The big moments for Duolingo07:00 - Can you plan virality?08:30 - How important was it having Duo as a brand character11:02 - Why Duolingo killed duo13:23 - Sending Duo’s ashes to Dua Lipa14:05 - What are the conditions that make a successful social media campaign16:01 - How Zaria spots trends and turns them into content17:41 - Thinking long term through a social media lens19:39 - How to scale viral social media efforts21:36 - Why who your boss is matters so much22:52 - When things go wrong on social media24:47 - Why Zaria built a personal brand28:02 - What Zaria is hoping for in the future28:59 - How is AI changing social media?31:36 - Social media advice for podcasters32:20 - How to cope with the intensity of working in social media34:58 - The best marketers hate marketing36:25 - Why you need to embrace boredom

Esi Eggleston Bracey is the Chief Marketing and Growth Officer of Unilever. Esi joined the company in 2018 and has served as President of Unilever USA and CEO of Personal Care in North America. Prior to this, she led their $5 billion Beauty & Personal Care portfolio for North America as EVP and Chief Operating Officer which included responsibility for brands such as Dove, TRESemmé, Suave, Vaseline, Degree, Axe and more. There's a reason why this is a brand building masterclassEsi has been recognised with many industry awards including being named as one of Forbes World’s Most Influential CMOs, a Forbes Entrepreneurial CMO 50, Women’s Wear Daily Marketer of the Year, ADCOLOR Legend, Ad Age Vanguard Award and more.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:54 - From P&G to Unilever, Esi’s career journey03:09 - How important is breadth of experience as a marketer04:54 - How to increase your marketing budget07:45 - Why Esi has growth in her title and not just Chief Marketing Officer08:36 - The most surprising thing about running 400 brands10:37 - What skills do marketers need to be successful today?12:08 - Esi’s thoughts of AI in marketing17:14 - How to win the hearts of your consumer19:48 - Unilever’s SASSY framework for winning hearts and minds21:45 - Why we buy more when we feel more23:27 - The secret behind the groundbreaking Dove marketing26:45 - Why Uniliver are spending 50% of media on social and 20x spend on creators29:18 - How the Vaseline Verified campaign took off30:37 - Unilever’s framework for successful social media campaigns32:29 - Applying the SASSY Framework to innovation35:19 - Unilever’s collaboration with Crumbl Cookies37:42 - How Unilever uses AI39:45 - Which Unilever brand would Esi buy?41:46 - The power of consistency42:43 - How do you nurture the next $1b portfolio brand

Nick Tran, is the CMO and President of First Round, leading Diageo’s new joint venture with Main Street Advisors to oversee two of the world’s most culturally driven spirits brands: Ciroc and Lobos 1707. Nick shares how he’s approaching brand reinvention vs continuation, why product innovation and cultural relevance are key, and what goes into long-term brand growth. We also touch on the future of social media, AI’s role in marketing, and what it takes to build a truly modern CMO career.00:00 - Intro00:36 - How the Diageo and Main Street Advisors partnership happened?02:49 - The long term view for Ciroc and Lobos 170706:10 - The plan for Ciroc08:57 - Reinvention vs continuation when transforming a brand11:31 - Focusing on product innovation and serve for Ciroc and Lobos 170714:14 - Is alcohol drinking trending down?19:00 - How do you become culturally relevant?22:07 - Using the Liquid Death challenger mindset24:08 - The role of celebrities and influencers for drinks brands27:16 - Why Nick is investing in his personal brand31:53 - What does it take to become a successful CMO?37:04 - How Nick invests in other companies41:59 - Nick Tran’s thoughts on AI45:47 - Have we reached peak social media?50:39 - Bonus Question

Nils Leonard, Uncommon Studio's co-founder and Creative Director is back, and the mic is hotter than ever. We're tackling why Uncommon is pushing the boundaries of out of home, including the divisive BA "Reflections" campaign, what Nils thinks of the energy in the US vs the UK, and why we have a lot of work to do if we want creativity to thrive in this country.Timestamps00:00 - Start00:52 - How did Uncensored CMO end up at Uncommon Studios02:33 - What just Jon want to happen as a result of this episode?04:45 - What does Nils want to happen as a result of this podcast?06:10 - Nils' advice to founders wanting to start an agency07:51 - Uncommon’s work with The Ordinary13:38 - Why Uncommon loves out of home15:31 - Uncommon’s out of home work with British Airways22:20 - Uncommon's B&Q out of home26:51 - Uncommon's Hiscox work29:55 - Uncommon’s EA work32:51 - Uncommon’s JD Sports work turning the lens on the community37:45 - British Airway’s safety video43:40 - The culture of creativity in the UK vs US46:40 - Why Campaign’s"Turkey of the Week" is a terrifying reflection on the UK48:52 - WPP and creativity51:28 - Who killed creativity?53:53 - What Brits can learn from Americans to bring creativity back

Entrepreneur, investor, and VaynerMedia CEO Gary Vaynerchuk joins us from Wine Library to share his unfiltered take on marketing in 2025. We cover everything from spotting consumer trends to staying authentic in the age of AI. Gary explains why generosity is his most powerful growth strategy, why the customer is always right, and which media channels are over or undervalued in 2025.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:03 - Being back at Wine Library02:38 - Why the customer is always right according to Gary Vee07:17 - Why Gary Vee doesn’t believe in luck09:28 - How Gary Vee has managed to have so much reach13:14 - The power of generosity17:51 - Gary Vee’s advice on spotting trends19:31 - Why you need to pay attention to the consumer21:18 - What does good marketing look like according to Gary Vee22:01 - Why social media is better than all other media channels24:08 - Is TV advertising dead?28:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: media channel edition29:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: podcasts31:34 - Undervalued or overvalued: LinkedIn32:24 - Undervalued or overvalued: Email33:26 - Undervalued or overvalued: sms/text34:03 - Undervalued or overvalued: YouTube35:29 - Undervalued or overvalued: search38:39 - Undervalued or overvalued: TikTok40:16 - Undervalued or overvalued: Twitter/X42:29 - Undervalued or overvalued: New York Jets44:54 - How do we maintain authenticity in the age of AI49:00 - Gary Vee’s advice on how to execute on ideas

Will Guidara is the author of Unreasonable Hospitality and co-founder of the world’s #1 restaurant, Eleven Madison Park. He joins us to share how lessons from hospitality can be a huge competitive advantage for your brand. We discuss the power of small but impactful gestures, intelligent naivety, the 95/5 rule and investing in the things that can’t be measured but make all the difference.Will also reflects on the mindset that took Eleven Madison Park to the top, what businesses can learn from restaurants, and how applying unreasonable hospitality can turn any customer experience into something truly extraordinary.Timestamps00:00:00 - Start00:00:57 - Will’s experience writing his book00:02:11 - Getting 4 stars from The New York Times00:04:43 - What marketers can learn from Unreasonable Hospitality00:08:08 - Where did the term “unreasonable hospitality” come from?00:14:13 - Why Will is fine being “The Dining Room Guy”00:16:40 - Why Will added a beer sommelier - reverse benchmarking00:20:29 - Intelligent naivety and the advantages of youth00:23:30 - The power of small thoughtful gestures that make a lasting impact00:27:22 - The 95/5 rule - how to succeed with things that cannot be measured00:31:47 - Restaurant smart vs corporate smart00:36:50 - Why you sometimes need conflicting goals00:41:34 - Is the customer always right?00:45:55 - Turning pain points into highlights00:48:06 - How Will Guidara makes getting the bill a memorable experience00:51:38 - Why nothing in the world can replace persistence00:53:40 - Never waste a good crisis00:56:52 - What Will would do at Cannes with no budget00:59:56 - How Shake Shack kept 11 Madison Park going01:00:48 - Which fast food chains does Will admire01:03:51 - Hiring exceptional talent01:06:17 - Getting siloed teams to work together in harmony01:09:07 - What would you do if you knew you couldn’t fail

Jess Butcher MBE has built a career at the intersection of technology and consumer behaviour. She co-founded AR pioneer Blippar and has since turned her attention to a growing issue: how AI and social media are shaping our brains, behaviour, and wellbeing.In this episode, Jess shares what she’s learned as a founder, why female entrepreneurs still struggle to access funding, and why she believes brands must take responsibility for the attention economy they help create. We discuss how “More Soul, Less Scroll” is encouraging healthier digital habits, and the practical steps companies can take to drive positive change.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:41 - Jess’ background as a female founder05:56 - How Jon used Jess’ QR code startup13:19 - Why Blippar ultimately failed17:34 - The lessons from Blippar’s failure21:30 - Why female founders struggle to get funding25:50 - The characteristics of successful founders31:15 - How AI is re-wiring our brains negatively34:05 - Why social media is ruining our lives40:09 - Why is this problem getting worse if we know about it?44:17 - What ScrollAware is trying to do about the problem48:38 - Which brands are taking responsibility for this problem best?54:46 - Less Scroll More Soul sleeping bags