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Hosted by Leonie Haimson (Class Size Matters), Dr. Kaliris Salas-Ramirez and Daniel Alicea (Educators of NYC)
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Gothamist, “From burner phones to decks of cards: NYC teens are adjusting to the smartphone ban” https://gothamist.com/news/from-burner-phones-to-decks-of-cards-nyc-teens-are-adjusting-to-the-smartphone-ban?ref=hellgatenyc.com Chalkbeat, “Cellphones out, Chromebooks in: NYC to give 350,000 students new laptops with free internet”https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/09/08/nyc-students-get-350000-chromebooks-to-bridge-digital-divide/ Andrew Cuomo: “My plan to deliver for NYC’s 1 million schoolkids,” NY Post https://nypost.com/2025/09/08/opinion/andrew-cuomo-my-plan-to-deliver-for-nycs-1-million-schoolkids/Chalkbeat, “NYC’s next mayor could shake up the schools chancellor search. This group has ideas for doing that.”https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/09/10/mayoral-control-over-nyc-schools-chancellor-search-could-test-mamdani/ RJPS, “Beyond the Moment: Building the Future of NYC Public Education.” https://www.eventbrite.com/e/school-is-in-session-launching-the-rjps-education-roadmap-tickets-1591781654779 Ashana Bigard, “Beyond Resilience: Katrina 20”https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Resilience-Unbreakable-Defending-Community/dp/B0FLVJ3TJT Ashana Bigard, The Progressive Magazine, “The Billion-Dollar Experiment: How New Orleans’ Charter School Revolution Failed the Children It Promised to Save.” https://pv4ps.org/the-billion-dollar-experiment-how-new-orleans-charter-school-revolution-failed-the-children-it-promised-to-save/
Kaliris interviews Tom Sheppard, former CEC Bronx Representative on the Panel for Educational Policy, who reflects on his time on the Panel.
Alexandra Freidus, Unequal Lessons: School Diversity and Educational Inequality in New York City, https://nyupress.org/9781479827817/unequal-lessons/Alexandra Freidus, CV, https://education.uconn.edu/person/alexandra-freidus/WEB Dubois, Does the Negro Does the Negro Need Separate Schools?https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1917beyond/essays/does-the-negro-need-seperate-schools.pdfPolitico, Brooklyn school rezoning proposal at heart of diversity debate is approved, https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2016/01/brooklyn-school-rezoning-proposal-at-heart-of-diversity-debate-is-approved-029673DNA Info, Schools Boss Touts Pen Pal System as Substitute for Racial Integration, https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151029/upper-west-side/schools-boss-touts-pen-pal-system-as-substitute-for-racial-integration/
 Ed Week, Senators—Including Republicans—Reject All of Trump’s Proposed Education Cuts, https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/senators-including-republicans-reject-all-of-trumps-proposed-education-cuts/2025/07Text of College Transparency Act, https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/cta_textpdf.pdf2022 Letter to Congress from privacy, consumer & education groups in opposition to the College Transparency Acthttps://studentprivacymatters.org/letter-to-congress-from-privacy-consumer-education-groups-in-opposition-to-the-college-transparency-act/Chalkbeat, Fewer Black and Latino students win offers to attend specialized high schools,  https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/07/31/nyc-specailized-high-school-admissions-data-eric-adams-segregation/NYC Parent Blog, New evidence of an extreme gender bias in selective high school admissions demands an independent evaluation of the exam https://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2018/03/new-evidence-of-extreme-gender-bias-in.html 
Union Matter - Arthur Goldstein blogNY Post - NYC teachers’ union boss Mike Mulgrew ousts rivals, critics from UFT payroll in 'purge'The Wire - 'We Are the Union': Time to Let UFT Staffers Unionize and End Patronage RuleKatie Helene Substack - The Purge: When Standing Up Gets You RemovedChalkbeat - NYC schools to get $29 million for cellphone ban. But when will funds arrive?NPR - Supreme Court says Trump's efforts to close the Education Department can continue
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Politico, Zohran Mamdani leads general election poll for NYC mayor, https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/09/zohran-mamdani-leads-general-election-poll-00443469AI in the classroom, Presentation at Network for Public Education conference, April 6, 2025,  https://studentprivacymatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/AI-for-NPE-final-.pdfAFT press release, AFT to Launch National Academy for AI Instruction with Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic and United Federation of Teachers, https://www.aft.org/press-release/aft-launch-national-academy-ai-instruction-microsoft-openai-anthropic-and-unitedAFT press conference, https://www.youtube.com/live/s1WWs_fZwAc?si=4nqqGR4UxfoPNjBCNYTimes, OpenAI and Microsoft Bankroll New A.I. Training for Teachers, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/technology/chatgpt-teachers-openai-microsoft.html  NY Times, A Classroom Experiment, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/briefing/artificial-intelligence-education-students.htmlJulian Vasquez Heilig, AI Code Red: Supercharging Racism, Rewriting History, and Hijacking Learning, https://cloakinginequity.com/2025/06/20/code-red-how-ai-is-set-to-supercharge-racism-rewrite-history-and-hijack-learning/  Diane Ravitch, An Education: How I Changed My Mind About Schools and Almost Everything Else, preorder at https://cup.columbia.edu/book/an-education/9780231220293/Science, Senate spending panel would rescue science funding,  https://www.science.org/content/article/senate-spending-panel-would-rescue-nsf-and-nasa-science-funding
NYC Retirees - http://nycretirees.orgChalkbeat NY - Zohran Mamdani on education: The Democratic primary winner’s plans for NYC schoolsChalkbeat NY - NYC budget deal includes free child care pilot program, boost for preschoolers with disabilitiesCNN - Supreme Court sides with parents who want to opt their children out of LGBTQ books in schools
NYC Parent Blog, The NYC Mayoral debate and what the candidates said on class size, https://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2025/06/the-nyc-mayoral-debate-regarding-class.htmlNY1, Mayoral winner likely won’t be clear until July 1, https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2025/06/19/nyc-mayoral-primary-winner-likely-won-t-be-clear-until-july-1-thanks-to-ranked-choice-votingNYC Comptroller, Complaints Received Concerning the 2023 Elections of Community and Citywide Education Councils, https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/complaints-received-concerning-the-2023-elections-of-community-and-citywide-education-councils/NY Times, A Culture-War Battle Convulses a School Panel in Liberal Manhattan, https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/02/nyregion/maud-maron-transgender-nyc-school-council.htmlGay City News, Community Education Council accused of obstructing votes on trans resolutions, https://gaycitynews.com/community-education-council-vote-trans-resolutions/Chalkbeat, Backlash over culture wars brings new energy to NYC’s parent council elections, https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/05/09/backlash-culture-wars-brings-energy-parent-council-elections/Gothamist, Elections to NYC parents council see persistently low turnout after culture war controversies, https://gothamist.com/news/elections-to-nyc-parents-council-see-persistently-low-turnout-after-culture-war-controversiesChalkbeat, Low turnout, a shakeup in District 2, and more: what to know about NYC parent council elections, https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/06/16/community-education-council-election-results-place-aqe/
Matt Gonzales is a longtime organizer, policy expert, and champion for education justice. He’s worked with IntegrateNYC, NY Appleseed, and the NYU Metro Center — and most recently, he’s been supporting the work of NY4RJPS, the New York Coalition for Racially Just Public Schools. Together, they’ve launched a bold education justice roadmap to demand real, community-driven solutions from the next mayor of NYC. He and Kaliris spoke about what’s broken, what’s possible, and who’s leading the fight to transform our public schools from the ground up.
Parent Coalition for Student Privacy, Parent, advocate letter opposing weakening of Chancellor's regulation A-820 https://studentprivacymatters.org/parent-leaders-elected-officials-advocates-members-of-chancellors-data-privacy-working-group-urge-chancellor-ramos-to-postpone-vote-on-student-privacy-regulation-and-allow-parents-the-rig/WJFF Radio, New York’s Native American Mascot Ban Under Federal Probe, As Activists and Academics Highlight Harm https://wjffradio.org/new-yorks-native-american-mascot-ban-under-federal-probe-as-activists-and-academics-highlight-harmAP, NY school refuses to give up Native American mascot — and gets Trump’s support https://www.syracuse.com/state/2025/04/ny-school-refuses-to-give-up-native-american-mascot-and-gets-trumps-support.htmlNYSED, Background and Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Part 123 of the Regulations of the Commissioner of Education Relating to Prohibiting the Use of Indigenous Names, Mascots, and Logos by Public Schools https://www.nysed.gov/sites/default/files/programs/indigenous-education/indigenous-mascot-regulation-background-and-faq.pdfClass Size Matters June 7 Parent Action Conference https://classsizematters.org/sign-up-for-our-annual-parent-action-confrence-does-posted-class-size-plan-for-next-year-and-more/Chalkbeat, Lawyers for Bronx high school student detained by ICE file petition for immediate release https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/05/30/lawyers-petition-to-release-bronx-high-school-student-detained-by-ice/Gothamist, 4-year-old migrant girl, other kids go to court in NYC with no lawyer: 'The cruelty is apparent' https://gothamist.com/news/4-year-old-migrant-girl-other-kids-go-to-court-in-nyc-with-no-lawyer-the-cruelty-is-apparentThe 74, Trump’s Deportation Database Puts Students at Risk https://www.the74million.org/article/trumps-deportation-database-puts-students-at-risk/
Daily News, New formula for N.Y. State education aid turns out to be bad news for NYC, https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/05/08/new-formula-for-n-y-state-education-aid-turns-out-to-be-bad-news-for-nyc/ Times Union, Education commissioner says NY may trade away private school regulations, https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/education-commissioner-says-ny-trade-away-private-20310333.php NY Times, New York May Weaken Its Oversight Over Religious Schools, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/01/nyregion/new-york-hasidic-schools-oversight.html Scotus Blog, Supreme Court divided over approving first religious charter school , https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/04/supreme-court-divided-over-approving-first-religious-charter-school/ The 74, Big Education Issues at Stake as Supreme Court Hears Religious Charter Case, www.the74million.org/article/big-education-issues-at-stake-as-supreme-court-hears-religious-charter-case/
Julian Vasquez Heilig's blog, Cloaking Inequity, https://cloakinginequity.com/US Dept of Education "Dear Colleague" letter, February 14, 2025, https://www.ed.gov/media/document/dear-colleague-letter-sffa-v-harvard-109506.pdf US Dept of Education requesting districts certify compliance with Title VI, April 3, 2025, https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/ed-requires-k-12-school-districts-certify-compliance-title-vi-and-students-v-harvard-condition-of-receiving-federal-financial-assistance Des Moines Register, Fearing federal DEI policies, Waterloo schools withdrew from African American reading event, March 12, 2025https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/2025/03/11/waterloo-schools-withdraw-african-american-read-in-trump-dei/81949713007/ NY State letter to US Dept of Education, rejecting request for district certification on DEI, April 4, 2025 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25879984-040425-dmb-to-ocr-re-request-for-title-vi-certification/ District Administration, States now falling in line with DEI order; resistance remains, April 16, 2025https://districtadministration.com/article/one-big-state-is-vowing-to-defy-trumps-dei-order/ ACLU, Information about ACLU and NEA lawsuit challenging the Department of Education’s Feb. 14, 2025, Dear Colleague Letter,https://www.aclu-nh.org/en/cases/nea-and-nea-nh-v-us-department-educationNAACP lawsuit, https://www.naacpldf.org/wp-content/uploads/001-Complaint-NAACP-v.-U.S.-Dept-of-Educ.-et-al_.pdf WMUR, Federal judge considering whether to stop enforcement of Dept. of Education letter regarding DEI policies, April 17, 2025https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-aclu-education-dept-dei-lawsuit/64515739 U.S. Department of Education press release, Letters to 60 Universities Under Investigation for Antisemitic Discrimination and Harassment, March 10, 2025 https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-educations-office-civil-rights-sends-letters-60-universities-under-investigation-antisemitic-discrimination-and-harassment The Guardian, Columbia University caves to demands to restore $400m from Trump administration, March 21, 2025https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/21/columbia-university-funding-trump-demandsMichael Roth, NYT oped, Trump Is Selling Jews a Dangerous Lie, April 7, 2025,https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/opinion/trump-jewish-antisemitism-wesleyan.html Trump administration letter to Harvard threatening loss of funding, April 11, 2025https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2025/04/Letter-Sent-to-Harvard-2025-04-11.pdfAlan Garber, Harvard President, The Promise of American Higher Education, April 14, 2025https://www.harvard.edu/president/news/2025/the-promise-of-american-higher-education/ Chronicle of Higher Education, These Faculty Senates Are Trying to Band Together to Stand Up to Trump, April 14, 2025https://www.chronicle.com/article/these-faculty-senates-are-trying-to-band-together-to-stand-up-to-trump ABC News, Trump admin freezes billions in funding to Harvard University after rejecting demands, April 15, 2025https://abcnews.go.com/US/harvard-university-rejects-trump-administrations-demands-risking-billions/story?id=120799115 Fortune, Harvard’s defiance of Trump’s ‘authoritarian incursion’ supported by over 80 past and present college and university presidents, April 15, 2025 https://fortune.com/2025/04/15/harvard-defiance-trump-supported-college-university-presidents/?abc123 Bryan Alexander's blog, “The professors are the enemy”: J.D. Vance on higher education, July 18, 2024https://bryanalexander.org/politics/the-professors-are-the-enemy-j-d-vance-on-higher-education/
MPR News, Trump to sign order aiming to close the Education Department, https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/03/20/npr-trump-executive-action-education-departmentNY Times, Teachers Unions Sue Trump Administration Over Push to Shut Education Dept, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/24/us/trump-education-department-lawsuit.htmlEducation Law Center, Coalition Sues Trump Administration For Dismantling Department of Education, Hurting All Students https://edlawcenter.org/coalition-sues-trump-administration-for-dismantling-department-of-education-hurting-all-studentsEd Law Center legal complaint, https://edlawcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/NAACP-et-al-v-US-et-al-DOE-Complaint.pdfPress Release from 21 State Attorney Generals about their lawsuit to prevent mass layoffs at the Dept. of Education, https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2025/attorney-general-james-continues-fight-stop-trump-shutting-down-departmentTheir initial complaint https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/court-filings/state-of-new-york-et-al-v-linda-mcmahon-united-states-department-of-education-complaint-2025.pdfTheir Memo of Law, asking for a Preliminary Injunction after the Executive Order was filedhttps://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/court-filings/state-of-new-york-et-al-v-linda-mcmahon-et-al-motion-for-preliminary-injunction-2025.pdfDemocracy Forward lawsuit filed on behalf of AFT, University Professors and MA school districts https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/EDComplaint.pdf](https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/EDComplaint.pdfEd Week, States Get Antsy as Education Department Layoffs Delay Millions for Schools, https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/states-get-antsy-as-education-department-layoffs-delay-millions-for-schools/2025/03NY State Education Department affidavit about US Dept of Ed failure to send remaining pandemic school aid https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.281941/gov.uscourts.mad.281941.71.31\_1.pdfInside Higher Ed, Education Department Reeling After Layoffs , https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/politics-elections/2025/03/25/education-department-staff-struggle-after-massPublic Funds Public Schools, Bill Tracker for proposed legislation on private school voucher programs https://pfps.org/billtracker/Inside Higher Ed, Trump’s Plan to Move Student Loans to SBA Raises Concerns, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/student-aid-policy/2025/03/21/small-business-administration-take-over-student-loansInside Higher Ed, Poll Finds Abolishing the Education Department ‘Wildly Unpopular’, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2025/02/06/poll-abolishing-department-education-unpopularStudent Borrower Protection Center, New Poll Confirms: Trump’s Plan to Abolish Department of Education is Extremely Unpopular Among , Voters https://protectborrowers.org/new-poll-confirms-trumps-plan-to-abolish-department-of-education-is-extremely-unpopular-among-voters
Leonie interviews Michael Mulgrew, President of the United Federation of Teachers, on the upcoming Mayoral and UFT elections, his record as President and goals if re-elected for a sixth term, as well as the hot button issues of Medicare Advantage, class size, curriculum, and the Trump administration’s assault on our public schools.
A Better Contract. - http://abettercontract.orgAmy Arundell for UFT President: A New Era for the UFT, Its Members, and the People They Serve
Chancellor Melissa Aviles-Ramos, Feb. 12, 2025, A Message for Families Regarding Non-Local Law Enforcement, https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/messages-for-familiesAP, Feb. 11, 2025, DOGE cuts $900 million from agency that tracks American students’ academic progresshttps://apnews.com/article/ies-musk-doge-education-cuts-4461d7bdbe9d55c5a411d8465999b011Stars and Stripes, Feb. 7, 2025, DODEA adds lessons to ‘do not use’ list sent to schools worldwidehttps://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2025-02-07/dodea-removes-book-pending-review-16753412.htmlScripps News, Feb. 14, 2025, Public schools face deadline to remove DEI policies or lose federal fundinghttps://www.scrippsnews.com/us-news/education/public-schools-face-deadline-to-remove-dei-policies-or-lose-federal-fundingWaPost, Feb. 14, 2025, Park Service deletes trans references on Stonewall Inn monument pagehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2025/02/13/stonewall-transgender-lgb-national-park-service/Stonewall National Monument website, https://www.nps.gov/ston/index.htmWash Post, Feb. 4, 2025 Here are the words putting science in the crosshairs of Trump’s ordershttps://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2025/02/04/national-science-foundation-trump-executive-orders-words/On the Media, Feb.17, 2025. Donald Trump is Rewriting the Past.https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/donald-trump-is-rewriting-the-past-plus-the-christian-groups-vying-for-political-powerMSNBC, Feb. 14,, 2025 At confirmation hearing, Linda McMahon refuses to say Black history courses will be allowedhttps://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/linda-mcmahon-black-history-dei-trump-rcna192301The 74, Feb. 13 Stunned Education Researchers Say Cuts Go Beyond DEI, Hitting Math, Literacyhttps://www.the74million.org/article/stunned-education-researchers-say-cuts-go-beyond-dei-hitting-math-literacy/Audrey Watters blog https://audreywatters.com/blog/ and https://2ndbreakfast.audreywatters.com/Audrey Watters on AI Foreclosure https://2ndbreakfast.audreywatters.com/ai-foreclosure/CNN, Oct. 13, 2024 With AI warning, Nobel winner joins ranks of laureates who’ve cautioned about the risks of their own workhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/health/nobel-laureate-warnings-ai/Statement on AI Risk, https://www.safe.ai/work/statement-on-ai-riskMichael Gerlach, AI Tools in Society: Impacts on Cognitive Offloading and the Future of Critical Thinkinghttps://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6 ¬¬¬¬¬¬
Chalkbeat, Some crowded NYC schools want enrollment caps to cut class sizes. Will the city pay for it? https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/01/22/overcrowded-schools-seek-enrollment-caps-cut-class-sizes/ Gothamist, Gov. Hochul's NY school cellphone ban gets a warm reception in Albany, https://gothamist.com/news/gov-hochuls-ny-school-cell-phone-ban-gets-a-warm-reception-in-albany Chalkbeat, ‘Everyone is scared’: Deportation fears keep immigrant students home from NYC schoolshttps://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/01/24/trump-immigration-policy-and-deportation-fears-affect-attendance-for-immigrant-families/ Daily News, New York education officials concerned about cellphone ban amid Trump’s deportations plans, https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/01/23/new-york-education-officials-concerned-about-cellphone-ban-amid-trumps-deportations-plans/Chalkbeat, NYC school board to vote on resolution affirming support for undocumented students, https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2025/01/08/school-board-preps-resolution-on-undocumented-students-before-trump-term/ PEP Resolution in many languages here: https://t.co/efWDQI8sbh
Daniel interviews veteran educator, unionist and former political director of the United Federation of Teachers, Paul Egan. We discuss his nearly ten year tenure as the United Federation of Teachers' political director -- from the Bloomberg and Cuomo years to the De Blasio years. Egan dispels the tabloid controversies.
Class Size Matters and Education Law Center, Letter to the Commissioner Rosa about DOE's failure to comply with the class size law. https://classsizematters.org/class-size-matters-education-law-center-letter-to-commissioner-asking-that-she-require-nyc-to-abide-by-class-size-law/Parent Coalition for Student Privacy, Teenspace sharing sensitive personal data with ad trackers and social media companies. https://studentprivacymatters.org/hearings-and-testimony-on-student-mental-health/
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