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A long mishnah (or a series that are published together): If a get is written with a name of a place that is not legitimate... Or other goofs in location... If other details are wrong... When is the get not a get? Plus, how a get that is not a get can really mess up a second marriage, and children from the second marriage. Plus, co-wives are treated like the divorcing woman too. Also, a deeper dive into the country that is not legitimate, and other countries as named in divorce. Plus, Rabbi Meir's approach in creating mamzerim.
Yesterday's mishnah raised the case of heirs bringing a sacrifice on behalf of someone who died before being able to offer it - and whether they would do the laying on of hands. Here, we are privy to a contradiction in the materials over whether they do it. Plus, another mishnah, with the list of all those who can, under the right circumstances, do the laying on of hands (semichah). Also, more on the semichah - specifically, how it was done with 2 hands, and how we know that it is supposed to be done with 2 hands. Plus, Resh Lakish's stance on this halakhah and the way he argues for and against it, with some frustration.
On the requirement of "semicha" - the laying on of hands before slaughtering an animal, and how it's the subject of the first recorded debate in the Oral Law. Plus, the way the placing of hands is part of the process of offering the sacrifice, together with atonement. Also, which animals require that laying on of hands? It's not all of them - where a bull does require it, but the goats brought in atonement for idolatry, well, that's a machloket. And what is the province of the elders, as compared to Aharon/the kohen gadol?
The Torah mentions offerings that are voluntary, and that theoretically could come to include a burn-offering, but the Torah also specifies the burnt-offering so that the details of accompaniment are also learned (for example, the libations). And we see the halakhic hermeneutical principles of deriving the general, the specific, and the general -- which concludes with a narrower application that one might have thought. Also, the specifics of offerings that indeed involve accompaniments -
2 new mishnayot! 1: All the dry measures used for measuring in the Temple were expected to be heaping measures. But one of the liquid measures for a unique usage (the kohen's grain-offering) was explicitly larger to be used as a level measure. Plus, the question of whether the measuring vessels were consecrated on the inside and on the outside or only on the inside - and the ramifications of that for any overflow and whether it becomes sanctified. 2: The animal sacrifices that are accompanied by libations. With the variations per different purposes of the offerings.
It took 3.5 log of oil to light the menorah - half a log per cup (with 6 branches, plus the shamash). That's the precise amount of oil to burn through the night, but did they figure that out by using excess oil and working the amount down, or did they start with a little and keep adding until they made it through the night? Also, a new mishnah: where libations that accompany the animal sacrifices were transferrable or combinable among some specific sacrifices. Plus, the lamb that was brought by the person recovering from tzara'at for the guilt-offering needs libations together with it.
More on the measures of liquids - and how the "hin" measuring cup was made by Moses in the wilderness, and then it wasn't used. Plus, a new mishnah - on the quarter-log and its uses, including the ratios of oil to flour. Also, the measure for the menorah's cups, and the process of removing them to fill them.
A final mishnah for chapter 9: On sourcing the wine for libations in the Temple. With limitations on the practices that would damage or sour the wine. Also, the checked the wine for impurities. Plus, speech was understood to be detrimental for wine. And the first two mishnayot of chapter 10: Listing measuring vessels for dry goods, with 2 measures, and for wet, with 7 different measures.
On "shemen ha-mor" - the oil of myrrh, which a discussion of how Queen Esther beautified herself among the other girls in the beauty contest, until the king chose her to be queen. With the question of defining what this oil was used for (an anointing or a depilatory). Also, a new mishnah - with a focus on olives and the several harvests and various pressings of them, attesting to the various qualities of oil too. And another mishnah - 9 degrees of oil, where the top level would be just prohibitive for the grain-offerings, but were always taken for the menorah oil.
2 mishnayot! 1 - Which grain is not acceptable - in this case, specifically listed, but after the fact, the grain would be accepted if used. Plus, how one works the land to grow good grain - from sowing to plowing to timing. 2 - The olive trees in Tekoa were the main source of olive oil for the Temple. After that, the trees in Regev. And after that, any other olives were still kosher, as long as they weren't coming a fertilized grove or an irrigated grove, as above regarding grain.
Which barley is to be used for the omer offering? During a sabbatical/shemitah year, they couldn't plant, but they could collect the natural growth, which they did. That collection needed to be as for food, however, and not for fuel -- because shemitah produce could not be burned. But it wasn't quite burned either.... Also, a deep dive into "first fruits/bikkurim," and how they were to be brought from the 7 species from the land of Israel. Plus, refinement of the details of the bikkurim as brought, based on the verses, and also the basic growth and whether it was in a field or elsewhere, for example. But why weren't bikkurim offered for all fruits and not just the 7 species?
On the sanctification of the many kinds of offerings, including the absorption into the sanctity. Plus, leading into the Pesach sacrifice, and when it might be invalidated as the korban Pesach, but still work as a peace-offering. Also, beginning chapter 9! Grain, oil, and wine, as used in the Temple service - from the new mishnah specifying where the grain can come from. The best grain, and from the land of Israel were required for the omer offering and the 2 loaves of Shavuot, but for most grain-offerings, there was a great deal of flexibility.
The case of one who designates ma'aser sheni money towards a peace-offering, can that work? The Gemara delves into the level of sacredness of the various properties. Also, a new mishnah! One who takes an oath to bring a sacrifice... which leads us right into the Passover offering, in perfect timing. Really, on the question of what funds can be used to purchase the offering. Also, more on the purchase of the all mandatory offerings - which are bought with non-sacred funds.
More on the mnemonic and exchanging a korban todah -- what if the exchange and the original are confused? And then what if one dies? The mnemonic addresses the possible solutions. Also, when one takes a vow to bring a thanksgiving offering must also bring the loaves. But what if the formulation of the vow shifts the focus? But what money can he use for the offering? Sacred or "regular?
What if something happens to the animal designated for the thanksgiving sacrifice? The animal part of the sacrifice is the more significant part, where the loaves are ancillary to the offering. To the extent that even if the loaves were specifically designated, the loss is not considered too problematic. What if the loaves were designated first? Plus, back-up animals for the thanksgiving animals, and the question whether the back-ups requires the loaves to begin with. Also, should the surviving animals after a replacement is used or not used be offered on the altar or not? A mnemonic is used to make sense of challenges in the discussion.
A new mishnah - from the bottom of daf 78: What happens to the thanksgiving offering when there's an issue with the grain-offering part of it -- as compared to the animal part of it? Plus, the connection to the inauguration of Aaron and his sons as kohanim. With a focus on a dispute revolving around a blemished animal vs. the incorrect location for slaughtering, as issues that interfere. But is that even the right comparison? Plus, cataracts as the blemishes. Also, another mishnah: animal offerings together with libations - and the question of these accompaniments being problematic for whichever reason, and how they are left overnight to disqualify them. Note that replacement animals are sacrificed as well, just not as a thanksgiving sacrifice - once they've been designated to replace a korban todah.
A new mishnah - with a new discussion of a korban: miluim, the inaugural grain-offerings that were brought by Aaron and his sons. A second mishnah - when the kohen slaughters the thanksgiving offering in the proper place in the Temple courtyard, and the accompanying loaves were brought outside the place - with some dispute as to where that was - which means they were not consecrated.
Chapter 8, focusing on the korban todah, the thanksgiving offering - with a new mishnah. The amount of flour used for this grain-offering was 5 "Jerusalem se'ah" (or 6 "wilderness se'ah"). With all the concomitant conversions. Where the number of se'ah are then assessed for an eiphah, as measured in tenths of an eiphah. Plus, a discussion of the flour for the leavened loaves and for the unleavened loaves of different kinds. With sources in the Torah's verses. Also, deriving the key laws for these component parts of the todah offering.
2 mishnayot: 1 - All of the grain-offerings require 500 "rubbings" (between hands) and 300 "poundings" (in kneading, for example). With clear heritage of the knowledge, though it has essentially been lost now. 2- The measure of barley of the omer: one-tenth of a se'ah of barley - and the amounts of flour required for not only the omer, but also other grain-offerings. Including sifting the flour for each of them. Which leads into multiple rounds of sifting that is to be used in these holiday offerings.
More on the use of oil in the grain-offerings, whether mixing, or smearing, etc. Note the different ways of applying the oil. Plus, a tiny new mishnah: regarding breaking the grain-offering into pieces. And then doused (to some degree) with oil. Note the distinction between the oven vs. cooking on a flame. The Gemara introduces a beraita with the breaking of the product that is to be the grain-offering upon cooking. Plus, another mishnah: various foldings of the grain-offerings, including that of the kohanim, the anointed kohen, and more. The breaking doesn't take place - as there was no removal of a fistful.
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