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Tune in to the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, hosted by our Founder and Senior Advisor, Stewart Foley, CFA. Our podcast features insightful conversations with CIOs, asset managers, and other distinguished professionals in the insurance asset management industry. Each episode delves into the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities, providing listeners with valuable perspectives and practical advice. Don’t miss out on these engaging discussions that are essential for insurance investors and asset managers.
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA is joined by Shiloh Bates, CFA, Partner and Chief Investment Officer of Flat Rock Global, for a deep dive into collateralized loan obligations and their role in insurance portfolios. Shiloh explains how CLOs function as structured credit vehicles, the problems they solve in the private credit market, and how different tranches offer distinct risk-return profiles for investors.
The conversation explores current market dynamics, including elevated default rates, spread behavior, and where Shiloh sees potential opportunities across CLO equity and junior debt. Shiloh also discusses underwriting discipline, diversification benefits, rated feeder structures, and how insurers can think about CLOs relative to direct loan exposure when constructing resilient, risk-aware portfolios.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA sits down with Noelle “Elle” Sisco, Managing Director, Portfolio Manager, and Lead Portfolio Strategist at First Eagle Napier Park, to discuss where structured credit can offer real value for insurance investors and where caution is warranted. Elle shares her background across public and private credit markets and explains how First Eagle Napier Park approaches alternative credit within a multi-strategy investment framework.
The conversation explores how insurers can evaluate structured credit through disciplined underwriting, with a focus on collateral analysis, liquidity management, and active portfolio positioning. Elle also addresses late-cycle dynamics, elevated idiosyncratic risk, emerging collateral types, and the importance of separating true underwriting skill from beta-driven returns when constructing resilient insurance portfolios.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Cindy Beaulieu, Chief Investment Officer of Conning North America, and Matt Reilly, Managing Director and Head of Insurance Solutions at Conning. Together, they explore the complex economic, policy, and portfolio construction themes shaping insurance investment strategies heading into 2026. With volatility receding and consumption staying strong, Conning sees cautious optimism grounded in fundamental, long-term portfolio planning.
The discussion covers key topics including the rising complexity of insurance portfolios, the expanding role of private assets, and the importance of core fixed income as a risk ballast. Cindy and Matt offer insight into how insurers are balancing liquidity needs, capital requirements, and regulatory scrutiny while adapting to a structurally different rate and policy environment. With real-world examples and a thoughtful look at long-term strategy, this episode provides valuable perspective for insurance investors navigating today’s market challenges.
Tobias Gummersbach, Enterprise Capital Strategist at New England Asset Management, joins the InsuranceAUM Podcast to discuss how insurers can apply stress and scenario testing to strengthen portfolio construction. With a focus on translating complex risks into clear, actionable insights, Tobias explains how these tools can help insurers evaluate exposure, guide asset allocation decisions, and support long-term capital planning.
The conversation covers how insurers can move beyond traditional risk measures to better understand the potential impact of severe but plausible events. Tobias shares practical examples of how scenario testing is being used in real-world investment strategy, helping firms assess trade-offs between risk and return, improve communication with stakeholders, and better align portfolios with enterprise risk objectives. This episode provides valuable insights for insurance investment professionals navigating an increasingly complex risk environment.
Infrastructure equity is no longer just about toll roads and utilities—it’s becoming a core part of insurance portfolio strategy. In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Gianluca Minella, Head of Research at InfraRed Capital Partners (a part of SLC Management), joins host Stewart Foley for a wide-ranging conversation on infrastructure’s growing relevance for insurers.
Drawing on findings from SLC Management’s recent global insurance survey, Gianluca shares insights into how insurers are allocating across core, core-plus, and value-add strategies. The discussion covers inflation protection, regulatory treatment, digitalization, decarbonization, valuation discipline, and infrastructure’s role as both a defensive and growth-oriented asset class.
Whether you’re focused on diversification, long-term returns, or navigating macro risks, this episode offers timely and practical insight into how infrastructure equity is being used by insurers to enhance portfolio resilience and performance.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM Podcast, DoubleLine’s Andrew Hsu and Fifi Wong share their insights on building resilient insurance portfolios through asset-backed securities (ABS) and asset-based finance (ABF). With more than a decade of experience in structured products and a track record of navigating shifting market conditions, they offer a detailed look at underwriting discipline, deal sourcing, and how their approach has helped avoid high-profile credit pitfalls like recent subprime auto bankruptcies.
From the early days of FinTech-backed student loans to today’s more complex private ABF opportunities in sectors like aviation and energy infrastructure, this episode explores how DoubleLine evaluates new collateral types, maintains portfolio quality, and partners with insurance investors for long-term success.
Hosted by Stewart Foley, this discussion is a must-listen for insurance asset managers, CIOs, and anyone interested in how structured credit strategies are evolving in today's uncertain environment.
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Siddharth Dahiya, Global Head of Emerging Market Debt at Aberdeen Investments, to unpack one of the most dynamic and evolving areas of institutional fixed income—emerging market debt (EMD). With decades of experience in global markets and deep roots in insurance investing, Siddharth provides a clear and comprehensive breakdown of the EMD universe—from hard currency sovereigns and corporates to local currency bonds and frontier markets.
The discussion covers the structural advantages of EMD, including improving fundamentals, increasing credit rating upgrades, and attractive spreads versus similarly rated developed market debt. Siddharth also dives into how private credit within emerging markets is gaining traction with insurance portfolios, offering enhanced yields and structural protections. For insurance investors seeking diversification, real yield, and capital efficiency, this episode offers actionable insights into a sector that's once again demanding attention.
Whether you're seeking a defensive allocation or exploring yield-enhancing strategies, Siddharth shares why now may be the right time to give EMD a second look.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Alexey Teplukhin, Managing Director at Blue Owl Capital, to explore the often-overlooked but critical role of data centers and digital infrastructure in the global economy. Alexey offers expert insights into how these assets are enabling everything from everyday digital activity to the exponential rise of artificial intelligence. The conversation begins with the basics what a data center actually is and quickly dives into what makes them such a compelling, long-term real asset investment.
The discussion also covers how demand for data infrastructure is accelerating, what risks exist around technological disruption, and why Blue Owl focuses on the physical backbone of the digital world rather than trying to bet on the next software winner. With analogies ranging from toll roads to airports, this episode delivers a clear, engaging look at the intersection of AI, infrastructure, and investment strategy making it a must-listen for institutional investors navigating a rapidly evolving digital landscape.
In this episode, Stewart Foley welcomes Ryan Brauns of Ares US Direct Lending for a deep dive into the mechanics and momentum behind one of the industry’s most influential private credit platforms. Ryan explains how Ares has scaled its direct lending business, the role of underwriting discipline, and why duration alignment remains one of the most important considerations for insurers entering the asset class.
The conversation explores everything from the structure of Ares’ capital pools to how leverage, covenants, and loan-to-value ratios fit into today’s market realities. Ryan also shares insights on spread dynamics, the rise of retail participation, and how insurers, large and small, are thinking about private credit in their strategic asset allocations.
Whether you’re new to private credit or want a deeper look behind the scenes of one of the space’s leading managers, this episode offers valuable clarity and perspective for insurance investment professionals.
Nancy Mueller Handal, Chief Investment Officer of Insurance Asset Management at Bayview Asset Management, shares her insights on how insurers can pursue alpha through residential loans and asset-based finance. With extensive experience in structured credit, Nancy explains why residential whole loans can be a strong fit for insurance portfolios when managed with discipline and precision. She discusses the capital efficiency of the asset class, the appeal of agency-eligible and non-QM loans, and the role of thoughtful underwriting in mitigating risk.
The discussion also covers the evolution of the residential credit market, the importance of robust data and infrastructure, and the risks that come with layered credit and valuation gaps. Nancy outlines how Bayview’s platform approaches sourcing and portfolio construction at scale, and why residential loans can provide diversification and long-term value when approached with a careful, insurer-aligned strategy.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Bob Huang, Executive Director of Equity Research for the Property & Casualty and Life Insurance Group at Morgan Stanley, sits down with Stewart Foley for a timely and insightful conversation on the implications of a declining interest rate environment. Drawing on one of the broadest insurance company coverages on Wall Street, Bob shares how rate cuts could influence earnings, asset allocations, product design, and underwriting dynamics across both life and P&C insurers.
Bob explains why falling short-end rates may pressure floating-rate-heavy portfolios, how product offerings like fixed and indexed annuities could evolve in response, and why duration mismatches and spread compression are becoming top concerns. The discussion also highlights how the interplay between product structures and investment strategy is shifting, especially in an era of increased competition and regulatory complexity.
Whether you're managing risk, building product, or allocating capital, this episode offers key takeaways for navigating volatility and staying ahead in a changing rate cycle.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes back Robert Clark, Chief Investment Officer and Founding Partner of Domain Real Estate Partners, for a timely discussion on the state of U.S. residential real estate. With affordability continuing to challenge buyers and mortgage rates remaining elevated, Bob offers a deep dive into how homebuilders are adapting their models in 2025, from navigating margin pressure and shifting demographics to embracing land-light strategies.
The conversation explores the growing role of insurance capital in financing residential development and how institutional investors are responding to macroeconomic forces such as immigration policy and interest rate volatility. Bob also discusses how Domain partners with homebuilders to manage risk and unlock capital efficiency in an increasingly complex housing market.
Whether you're focused on credit, real assets, or portfolio construction, this episode offers valuable perspective on the intersection of real estate fundamentals and investment opportunity in today’s market.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Mansi Patel and Jeff Matthews of Principal Asset Management to explore how infrastructure debt is evolving—and how those changes are influencing insurance investment strategy. From AI-driven demand for data centers to the energy transition and shifting demographics, the conversation unpacks the current state and future outlook of infrastructure investing.
Mansi and Jeff also explain key trends shaping the asset class: the rise of digital infrastructure, the role of power and natural gas in supporting AI growth, and the importance of geographic diversification. They provide insights into how insurance companies can access these opportunities through both SMAs and fund vehicles, while navigating regulatory and capital efficiency considerations.
With decades of combined experience, the guests share their views on risk, essentiality, and how infrastructure investments have performed under stress. Whether you're new to the space or deep in portfolio construction, this episode offers timely insights into one of the fastest-growing segments of insurance investing.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Mario Giannini, Executive Co-Chairman and longtime leader of Hamilton Lane, for a candid discussion on the evolving landscape of private markets. Giannini challenges the notion that private equity is “dead,” explaining why fundamentals remain resilient despite recent underperformance and how the long-term value proposition continues to attract institutional investors.
The conversation explores key themes shaping portfolios today including secondaries, infrastructure, and the rise of private credit as well as how artificial intelligence is transforming the private markets ecosystem. Giannini also offers perspective on what insurance investors are asking, the importance of asset allocation over market timing, and how culture and discipline have driven Hamilton Lane’s enduring success.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Erin Patterson, Global Co-head of Research and Strategy at Manulife Investment Management, to explore the intersection of macroeconomic uncertainty and commercial real estate opportunity. Erin shares how Manulife is navigating ongoing volatility, from interest rate shifts to global trade disruptions, and why a resilient, globally diversified strategy remains key for insurance investors.
The conversation covers the "five Ds" shaping their investment lens demographics, deglobalization, decarbonization, digitalization, and democratization and how these trends are influencing everything from market selection to sector prioritization. Erin also dives into the evolving role of alternative real estate, the importance of demographic tracking, and how AI and infrastructure considerations are shaping CRE strategy. Whether you're focused on long-term income or adapting to short-term uncertainty, this episode offers valuable insights into institutional real estate allocation in today’s complex environment.
Jeffrey Diehl, Managing Partner and Head of Investments at Adams Street Partners, joins the InsuranceAUM.com podcast to explore whether the rapid growth of private credit platforms, particularly BDCs and insurer-owned portfolios, is creating systemic risk or sustainable opportunity.
In this candid conversation with host Stewart Foley, Diehl explains how deployment pressure, the rise of PIK loans, and reduced underwriting discipline could challenge returns in an overheated segment of the market. He also unpacks the scale of capital flowing through these platforms, the structural differences between perpetual BDCs and traditional private credit funds, and what red flags insurance investors should be monitoring.
For anyone allocating to private credit, or evaluating manager selection, this episode offers timely, practical insight into how scaling may impact risk, performance, and long-term portfolio outcomes.
Mark Rose, Insurance Solutions Specialist at T. Rowe Price and former Chief Investment Officer of Argo Group, joins Stewart Foley for a candid and insightful conversation on the InsuranceAUM.com podcast.
With a background spanning equities, high yield, private credit, and more, Mark shares the lessons learned from over a decade managing insurance portfolios—including the importance of investment committee process, manager selection, and risk governance. He also discusses his transition from CIO to the asset management side, what drew him to T. Rowe Price, and how the firm is evolving its insurance solutions offering.
For insurance investors navigating today’s evolving fixed income landscape, Mark’s perspective offers valuable takeaways on portfolio construction, private asset allocation, and building strong institutional relationships. Whether you’re in the CIO seat or partnering with insurers, this episode offers real-world insight from both sides of the table.
David Politano, Managing Director and Head of Debt Strategies for MetLife Investment Management’s Real Estate group, brings more than 30 years of experience to the conversation as he joins the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast. In this episode, he explains how insurance companies’ approach to commercial real estate lending differs from traditional bank and CMBS channels - focusing on long-term, cradle-to-grave loan management with an emphasis on credit quality and relationship-based underwriting.
David walks through the structural advantages of insurer-held CRE debt, performance comparisons post-COVID, and how real estate market dynamics, especially in the office sector, are evolving. He also provides perspectives on pricing trends, global opportunities like Mexico industrial, and what insurers should consider in today's competitive lending environment. Backed by deep institutional knowledge and a client-first investment philosophy, this episode offers valuable context for insurers navigating CRE debt in 2025 and beyond.
Tas Hasan, Managing Partner & COO, and Nelson Pereira, Director of Insurance Investor Partnerships at Deerpath Capital, share their perspective on the growing role of lower and middle market direct lending in insurance portfolios. With decades of experience and a long-standing focus on this segment, they explain why it's gaining traction among insurers seeking yield, diversification, and capital efficiency.
They break down the structural advantages of sponsor-backed lending, including stronger covenants, conservative leverage, and more lender-friendly deal terms. The discussion also explores how regulatory developments, such as NAIC guidance and capital treatment, are influencing insurer allocation decisions.
For insurance investors evaluating private credit strategies, this conversation offers valuable insight into manager selection, deal flow dynamics, and the key factors that set experienced lenders apart in today’s market.
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Frank Melaccio, CFA, CPA, FRM, Vice President, Finance and Treasurer at Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey, and Jason Young, Head of U.S. Corporate Private Placements and Private Structured Credit at MetLife Investment Management (MIM). The discussion explores the evolving role of investment-grade private credit and asset-based finance (ABF) in health insurance investment portfolios. Both guests share their career journeys, personal anecdotes, and their perspectives on strategic asset allocation within the unique cash flow structures of health insurers.
Together, they dive into the diversification benefits, relative value opportunities, and liquidity considerations of IG private placements and ABF. Frank offers insights into how health insurers manage illiquidity risk while optimizing return on capital, and Jason sheds light on how the ABF market has matured with shorter durations and more investor interest. This episode is packed with expert perspectives on credit market dynamics, the future of private fixed income, and how health insurers can better position their portfolios in today's rapidly changing environment.
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