Experts On The Wire (An SEO Podcast!)

SEOs and PPCs need to talk more and learn from each other. For example, did you know you can actually connect Search Console to Google Ads from within the Ads reporting?? No? I didn't either until this week's guest told me about it... learn that, and a ton more in this great conversation.Navah Hopkins is Microsoft's Ad Liaison, an International Speaker, answer's questions in SEJ's monthly column called Ask The PPC and has been in marketing, PPC and SEO for 17+ years.This episode was recorded ⁠with Riverside⁠ which has sped up my podcast process ten fold and why I am now able to publish more episodes again.Reach me at dan at ⁠evolvingseo.com⁠ for SEO, AI Search or YouTube Visibility ConsultingLinks and resources mentioned:https://blogs.bing.com/webmaster/February-2026/Introducing-AI-Performance-in-Bing-Webmaster-Tools-Public-Previewhttps://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/blog/post/april-2026/win-across-all-three-eras-of-the-webhttps://www.searchenginejournal.com/ask-a-ppc-how-to-make-microsoft-advertising-profitable/549643/https://searchengineland.com/google-microsoft-performance-max-approaches-464964https://clarity.microsoft.com/Chapters (⁠auto generated by Riverside⁠):00:00 Understanding Keywordless Targeting03:01 The Role of Landing Pages in PPC07:06 Navah's Journey and Current Role at Microsoft11:10 Debunking Myths About Microsoft Advertising14:18 The Future of Landing Pages16:30 Gathering Intelligence from PMAX Campaigns20:22 Connecting SEO and PPC for Better Insights29:54 Convergence of Brand and Performance in AI30:20 The Role of AI in Brand Discovery32:34 Understanding Conversion Paths in AI33:56 Importance of Product Catalogs and Reviews37:09 Navigating Feeds and Merchant Centers39:38 Setting Up for AI Commerce40:07 Accessibility and AI Compliance44:25 The Necessity of Video Content46:57 The Future of Content in AI49:36 Collaboration Between SEO and PPC51:14 Understanding Prompt Data and User Engagement54:37 The Future of Websites and Agentic Scenarios59:36 Exciting Features in Microsoft Ads

An on-page content optimization method I've been testing with clients that's ACTUALLY different than "just SEO". This episode is for anyone looking to optimize their content (blog posts, product pages, landing pages, etc) - for LLM Visibility - without throwing away your SEO.This episode recorded and produced in under one hour! (all in one take! props to the host for that 😬) with Riverside which has sped up my podcast process ten fold and why I am now able to publish more again.Semrush study on ChatGPT Traffic and usage: https://www.semrush.com/blog/chatgpt-search-insights/Myriam Jessier's LinkedIn Post about user behavior changes in LLMs vs Search EnginesReach me at dan at evolvingseo.com for SEO, AI Search or YouTube Visibility ConsultingChapters (auto generated by Riverside):00:00 Introduction to AI and SEO Optimization03:04 Understanding Human Behavior in AI Search05:54 The ALL Method for AI Search Optimization11:56 Layering Key Elements into Content17:52 Practical Applications and Final ThoughtsThis description area contains affiliate links which may offer discounts to you and/or are free to you to use and provide me with a small commission which helps support Experts on the Wire.

Jump to the 11:00 minute mark for SEO-specific info! (We spent a little time talking about consulting vs agencies and the climate of doing SEO/work first!)Jenny is a Principal Advisor & Senior SEO at New Media Advisors, with expertise in e-commerce, hospitality, financial, pharma, education, B2B and an International Speaker. She is author of the new book, AI-Powered Content Marketing - get a 35% off discount here!.... International listeners can get the book here.The SEOchat reboot on LinkedIn Can be found here! https://www.linkedin.com/groups/17836011/Jenny on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennyhalasz/Work with me on SEO, AI Search, YouTube and Organic Visibility: https://www.evolvingseo.com/"Why Google Will Win The Agentic eCommerce Race" article mentionedChapters (auto-generated with Riverside)00:00 Consulting Landscape and Personal Struggles02:13 New Media Advisors: A Consultative Approach05:16 The Agency vs. Consultant Dilemma07:55 Navigating Client Acquisition Challenges11:00 E-commerce Marketing Strategies13:58 Understanding Entity Relationships in SEO17:06 Budget Allocation for E-commerce and B2C Marketing19:57 The Future of AI in Marketing22:48 The Evolution of AI and Search Engines26:09 The Role of Content Marketing in the AI Era30:51 Understanding Zero Click Searches34:09 Measuring SEO Success Beyond Clicks38:58 Demystifying AI in Marketing43:53 Debunking SEO Myths45:21 The Risks of Using LLMS.txt47:38 Content Optimization for AI and LLMs50:22 Understanding Trustworthiness in AI51:29 Holistic Topic Clustering in SEO53:12 Integrating SEO with LLM Strategies56:48 Client Relationships and Agency Dynamics01:00:32 Navigating Industry Changes and AI Impact01:03:17 The Commoditization of SEO and Its Challenges

Too many SEOs are guessing (or worse spreading known misinformation for LinkedIn clout) about what actually helps being cited in LLMs like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, Gemini etc.Let's stop doing that - I wanted to talk to Nils Reimers, the inventor of "Sentence BERT" and an expert in LLMs, natural language processing and more to sort out truth from fiction.LOTS covered in this episode!Nils Bio (via Claude)Nils Reimers is the inventor of Sentence BERT, the research breakthrough that made semantic search scalable and now underpins how companies like Google, Netflix, and OpenAI understand and retrieve information. He currently works at Cohere, where he focuses on building large language models for enterprise use cases, including custom multilingual models for global companies like Fujitsu and LG.Work with me on SEO, AI Search, YouTube and Organic Visibility: ⁠https://www.evolvingseo.com/⁠Covered this episode! Chapters auto generated by Riverside:00:00 The State of SEO in the Age of LLMs12:08 Understanding BERT and Sentence BERT21:41 SEO Strategies for the Future28:42 Cohere and Multilingual Embeddings34:14 Re-Rank Models and Their Impact35:31 Balancing Speed and Quality in SEO36:01 Optimizing Content for LLMs39:32 Engagement vs. Directness in Content40:30 The Evolution of SEO Practices43:32 The Challenge of AI-Generated Content46:51 The Role of Schema and Structured Data48:37 Understanding LLMs.txt and Its Relevance50:14 The Problem of Training Data Quality52:40 The Potential of Video and Audio Sources55:17 Strategic Shifts for Businesses in the AI Era01:00:03 The Future of Jobs in an AI-Driven World01:05:36 AI Tools and Their Impact on Work

Luca Cian is AI Strategy & Psychology Expert. He is a Full Professor at the Darden School of Business, and an Advisor to the U.S. DHS on AI Strategy.His speciality is decoding how humans interact with AI and what that means for business strategy. Luca's findings on AI trust and consumer psychology have been featured in The New York Times, USA Today, PBS, The Washington Post, NPR, and Harvard Business Review.Subscribe to 'Experts' anywhere by searching 'Experts on the Wire' (and exciting news, we'll be on YouTube soon! You can find the channel for now, and as soon as YouTube let's me the podcast will be available there).Work with me on SEO, AI Search, YouTube and Organic Visibility: ⁠https://www.evolvingseo.com/⁠Episode Chapters (autogenerated with Riverside)00:00 The Rise of AI and Human Interaction05:54 Defining AI: Perceptions and Misconceptions11:53 Trusting AI: Psychological Insights and Barriers17:48 Consumer Trust: Factors Influencing AI Acceptance23:55 A-B Testing and Research Methodologies in AI29:46 Future of AI: Personalities and Business Implications36:09 Exploring AI in Consumer Research36:53 Understanding the Word of Machine Effect40:54 Trusting AI: Utilitarian vs. Hedonic Choices42:52 AI in Content Creation: Balancing Transparency and Trust48:54 Algorithmic Transference: The Impact of AI Failures51:03 SEO Strategies in the Age of AI51:58 The Future of Content: Human vs. AI Optimization57:40 Value-Driven Brands in an AI World01:00:52 The Future of Jobs in an AI-Driven Economy01:04:55 Experiential Marketing: The Human Connection01:09:47 AI Tools and Their Impact on Daily Life