Sean's Wild Life

I caught up with naturalist, writer, wilding ecologist and TikToker extraordinaire Pete Cooper to indulge in his passion for the smaller, less glamorous species reintroductions happening in the UK at present. We delved into making Glow Worm porridge (that's made for Glow Worms, not with Glow Worms by the way!), the success of our Ealing Harvest Mouse reintroduction project which Pete has helped facilitate and some of the controversies around rewilding in general, particularly when it comes to species reintroductions. Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose.All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife.If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Prepare for LOLZ. I caught up with my pal Chantelle, CBeebies presenter of teeny Tiny Creatures, Great North Wood project officer for London Wildlife Trust and Future Advisor for former podcast guests Heal Rewilding. I would say we had a great chat but truth is we laughed our way through lots of topics. But on a serious note we did explore why there is a lack of diversity in the nature and conservation space, how things are improving and can be improved further, what it's like to be a young, black woman working in wildlife conservation and how she's coping with a brand new media career. Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose.All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife.If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I caught up with Gareth Steel, vet and author of new book 'Never Work With Animals' which lifts the lid on what it's really like being a vet. We discuss why he wrote the book, some of the stories it contains and how the perception Vs reality of the job often differ when it comes to the general public. Not many know the fact that veterinary medicine has the highest rate of suicide of any profession as well as issues with mental health, burnout and a high departure rate. We discuss the complex factors that feed into this problem, as well as some of the difficult topics like the use of alternative therapies in pets, balancing economic concerns of pet owners and farmers with animal welfare and of course some of the entertaining and positive experiences of what it means to be a vet. A must listen episode for anyone who ever thought "Oh I'd love to have been a vet" or has children interested in joining the profession. Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose.All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife.If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode we're moving away from wildlife and nature conservation to a serious animal welfare issue I face in my career as a vet, exploring the issues of flat faced or brachycephalic dog breeds. I'm joined by two incredibly knowledgeable guests, Alison Skipper and Dr Rowena Packer. Alison is a vet studying a PhD in the history of pedigree dog breeding and welfare. Rowena is a companion animal behaviour and welfare scientist at the Royal Vet College. Together we explore when and why the trend for flat faced dogs appeared, why they are popular, what problems they suffer from as a result of their extreme appearance and what can be done about it. It's a fascinating insight into a complex topic.Dr Packer is recruiting recent puppy owners for a survey in to pandemic puppy ownership, so if you fit the bill please do partake by 11th March here: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/Pups2021Cover image courtesy of CRUFFA (Campaign for the Responsible Use of Flat Faced Animals in Advertising. https://www.facebook.com/groups/cruffa).Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose.All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife.If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's a podcast crossover episode this time as I meet with fellow podcaster Ryan Dalton, host of the excellent nature podcast 'Into the Wild' (https://intothewild.podbean.com/). I brought Ryan to a top secret location last Spring to find adders, Britain's only venomous reptile as he'd only recently seen his first one and wanted to see more. I visit this site each year and told him I'd guarantee him some adders to photograph and marvel at. Maybe even find a legendary black adder? We weren't only there for a snake hunt however. We wanted to explore and discuss a topic we'd chatted about several times before, our pet's impact on nature and wildlife. With me as a vet and Ryan as a 'doggy daycare' business owner but also both passionate conservationists, there is an uncomfortable conflict at times in advocating for pets V's nature. Many pet owners don't even realise the impact their pets are having. And with the colossal rise in pet ownership since the pandemic began, we ask whether our growing pet population is pushing sensitive wildlife and habitats closer and closer to the brink. A tricky topic, but important to educate and support pet owners to minimises the damage that can be done without even realising.Oh and make sure to listen to the end, something funny and adder-shaped happens!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose.All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife.If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Chatting with marine biologist and fish ecologist Professor Steve Simpson from the University of Bristol about ocean health, his incredible research on rebuilding coral reefs using sound technology, using the underwater soundscape to monitor ecosystem change and the mission he set me and the team of Changing Planet: Britain's Wildest to record the longest ocean sound transect ever completed in UK waters.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On a trip home to Ireland I took a wander with my Dad on Christmas Eve on his friend, Anthony Mooney's farm, where biodiversity is treated with just as much importance as beef production. Anthony tells us about the habitat features he's brought back to the landscape, how his haymaking approach benefits wildlife more than intensive silage production, his recent re-wetting experiment of one of his fields and his part in the Irish 'Protecting Farmland Pollinators' scheme. Come along on a farmland walk with myself , my Dad Tom McCormack (ex-Chair of Birdwatch Ireland Kildare branch) and Anthony Mooney, one of Ireland's most nature friendly farmers.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

An enjoyable ramble in nature with the lovely Lorraine Kelly and equally gorgeous Angus, her Border Terrier. Did you know that Lorraine is a closet bird nerd? Well she is, and we chat all about her travels and relationship with nature, animals and enthusiasm for birds. Angus keeps us on our toes throughout, and we encounter a few little surprises along the way. Come join us on a gorgeous walk by the river!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Skylark song courtesy of Patrik Aberg (Xeno-canto). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I had a long overdue chat with zoologist, wildlife TV presenter and conservationist Megan McCubbin to talk about her career journey and how the pandemic impacted not only her path but that of many others when it comes to nature appreciation. We discuss the role of social media in bringing like minded young conservationists and environmentalists together, but also the downsides of social media and how best to manage them.We explore topics that Megan and co-author Chris Packham delve into in their book, 'Back to Nature: How to love life - and save it'. Topics such as eco-activism, lobbying and extinction rebellion, to rewilding and reintroduction of top predators into our landscapes, how to engage people with nature and of course climate change. We also hear all about Megan's summer filming a brand new BBC TV series 'Chris and Meg's Wild Summer' out now on BBC Two and BBC iPlayer.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Megan McCubbin. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Biologist, presenter, public speaker, voiceover artist, writer and mother, Gillian Burke has a lot to say. So it was a delight to have a proper chat about her upbringing and career journey to date, her hopes for our planet and humanity as well as the challenges we are facing. Perhaps best know for her presenting role on BBC Springwatch and the spin off Autumn and Winterwatch shows, we talk about her somewhat tumultuous appearance and public reception on the show, as well as the importance of diversity in the natural sciences and the natural history field.We also explore Gillian's self confessed passion for supporting the underdog, speaking out on oppression and tackling tough environmental issues. We ponder on 2020, the year that threw a lot at us from Black Lives Matter, global pandemic, continued ecological destruction and environmental battles close to home like HS2. Finally Gillian shares her top three Instagram accounts to follow and they are a great selection.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Gillian Burke. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I catch up with Nina Constable to chat about her wildlife film making career and qualifications, what inspires her, some of her previous projects and what she's working on next. Nina's work is both visually beautiful and inspiring in its storytelling style. Of course we chat about beavers, a favourite topic of this podcast, hence the release of this episode in the same week as International Beaver Day. If you haven't already checked out her film Beavers Without Borders, please do, it's a wonderful exploration of why these ecosystem engineers need to be brought back to Britain. I first met Nina when she asked me to contribute to her web series, Wild World Doorstep Discoveries, at the beginning of the first Covid-19 lockdown. A truly uplifting showcase of the power of nature to heal and inspire us.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Nina Constable. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I showed Elliot Newton of Citizen Zoo and now Biodiversity Officer for Kingston Council around Ealing for the first time. Elliot is leading a community led water vole reintroduction project in Kingston on the Hogsmill River, a very special chalk fed stream where water voles used to thrive but have undergone a local extinction. Water Vole reintroduction is something that I've been scoping out as a project for Ealing Wildlife Group so it was great to get advice from Elliot who is already well underway with his community engagement, habitat management preparations and had just reached his crowdfunding target at the time of recording.We also cut to a previous conversation myself, Elliot and Kieron Brown of The Field Studies Council had in the pub where they debated whether water voles or earthworms were the more important animals. It got heated. I think I may need to get Kieron on at some point to defend the humble earthworm, his specialist topic.As Elliot has said when promoting his water vole project, the UK is one of the most nature depleted nations in the world. And if we can't even hold on to some of our rodent species we're not doing too well in terms of wildlife conservation. We discuss Ealing Wildlife Group's upcoming project to reintroduce Britain's tiniest rodent, the Harvest Mouse, and then ponder the possibility of our largest native rodent coming back in London. Beavers on the Brent? Watch this space!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Elliot Newton (Citizen Zoo). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I talk to a veterinary colleague, Laura Higham, who I admire hugely for her work in the field of 'One Health' and sustainability within the veterinary profession. We discuss the unique role of veterinary professionals working at the intersection between animal health, public health of humans and our impacts on environmental health too.Laura set up Vet Sustain and also works for the Food Animal Initiative (FAI) who work in partnership with farmers and food companies for climate and food security. Powered by science and best practice, FAI Farms deliver strategic advice, data services, and education for a better food chain.There's interesting chat about what sustainability even means, how farming practices impact climate and the environment, what damaging traditions currently exist in veterinary practice, the apparent boom in regenerative agriculture principles, how consumer choices have the power to change things and how vets are arguably not as well recognised as perhaps we could be in being champions for our global ecosystem, and as leaders in the 'One Health' concept.Hope you enjoy!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Biomed Central. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I've followed Kate MacRae (aka @WildlifeKate) on Twitter for years, enjoying her live video streams and webcams on various wildlife in stunning, up close and personal detail. So it was great to chat and share our mutual passion for observing wildlife and how you can always learn amazing new behaviours or insights into even our common or garden species.With a background in environmental education, Kate shares why it's so important to get children enthused and interested in nature. She also shares some tips and tricks for attracting wildlife to your garden or nearest outdoor space, as well as tech tips on how to start a wildlife filming hobby or even career.A regular on BBC Springwatch, Countryfile and Gardener's World, Kate's work is a pure joy to observe and so was speaking with her. Her enthusiasm and enduring fascination with the natural world won't fail to put a smile on your face.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Kate MacRae. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I caught up with Harvey Tweats, a 17 year old conservationist and cofounder of Celtic Reptile and Amphibian with his friend Tom. Celtic are an operation keeping and breeding various European species for the purposes of conservation, education and some cases rewilding or reintroduction of long extinct species. The guys' story recently featured in The Guardian and despite broadly receiving positivity and recognition of their incredible knowledge and dedication to these often overlooked species, they also attracted some criticism.Here we talk about what they are really about, their mission and ethos, how they intend to reintroduce species and address some of the concerns traditional conservationist have with their approach. Enjoy!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: European Pond Turtle, Celtic Reptile & Amphibian Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I speak with Matthew and Charis Watkinson about their off grid life in the Welsh countryside, and what prompted them to turn their back on the trappings of modern life for as remote and self sufficient an existence as they could. Having recently featured on Ben Fogle's 'New Lives in the Wild' on Channel 5, the pair have been overwhelmed with the interest in the life and enterprise they have created at Beeview Farm.Both ex-veterinarians, I chat to Matthew and Charis about the challenges of the profession which I know all too well myself, having left clinical practice for an industry consultancy role back in 2016. The struggles of the job and emotional demands saw Matthew make a rather controversial departure from the profession 11 years ago. Something which he is still being criticised for to this day, and which flared up again on certain veterinary online forums following the screening of the documentary.I hope that this podcast gives listeners a chance to hear the Watkinson's points of view and reflect on the issues within the vet profession, as well as the impact it can have on those who have dedicated their lives to it but find themselves at odds with the day to day realities of what it expects of them.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Matthew and Charis Watkinson, Beeview Farm Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I was delighted to speak with Kit Stoner, CEO of the Bat Conservation Trust (BCT) about one of my favourite groups of animals, bats! Often misunderstood and vilified, bats are a fascinating and extremely important group of animals globally. And in a year where bats have received somewhat of a bad rep and perhaps unwarranted blame for the Covid-19 pandemic, we settle the score on this and many other misconceptions about these incredible creature, the only mammals capable of true flight.From what they eat to where they live, practical advice if you find a bat or have them living in your home, how bat research is benefiting us in terms of medical science and technology right through to the conservation status of bats in Britain, Kit is a mine of information. And surprisingly when it comes to the depressing trend of biodiversity in crisis, some of our bat species appear to be bouncing back. An all too rare good news story in nature conservation that we need right now.Have a listen and I guarantee you'll learn some amazing bat facts that you didn't know before.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Common Pipistrelle by Hugh Clark, purchased via donation to BCT. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

After a long time talking about it, I pay a visit to Ben Andrews' organic farm in rural Herefordshire to get the scoop on organic Vs conventional agriculture, countryside stewardship especially farmers' roles and how we can produce food in a nature friendly way that isn't as harmful to the climate and environment. We also get into a meaty discussion about veganism and food trends, dissect the gluten intolerance myth, explore agroecology and regenerative agriculture, and lots more besides.We're out in a windy field at the start, so there's a little crackling on the audio, but bear with it. We get into the shelter of Ben's buggy soon enough for a tour of the farm and the sound quality gets much better. Ben's intrepid pups Barney and Percy interrupt proceedings once or twice too. Come along for the tour, it's almost like you're down on the farm with Farmer Ben and I in real life!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Ben Andrews. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A fascinating, hilarious and inspiring conversation with Derek Gow, an ecologist, reintroduction specialist, farmer and author of 'Bringing Back the Beaver'. Derek is well known for speaking out on the frustrations of our current systems and organisations in place to protect our natural landscapes and biodiversity. Or should that be to regulate our natural landscapes and attempts to restore biodiversity?In this episode he packs no punches in critiquing the bureaucracy and inertia of our conservation organisations. He suggests that perhaps we need to be bolder and get cracking right now on restoring nature on a larger scale and restore lost species as a matter of urgency.We discuss the psychology of humankind in historically conquering nature, obliterating species deemed harmful or indeed valuable to us, and reshaping the landscape in ways that have been immensely harmful to the natural world. We also explore Derek's varied career in farming, into global wildlife conservation, back to British wildlife conservation and most recently his pioneering role within the UK rewilding movement. Specifically his work from his Devon farm and collaborating with several other organisations in reintroducing threatened or extinct species, from water voles and harvest mice to beavers and white storks.If you're offended by crude language and straight talk, be warned. Personally I found Derek's refreshingly honest and bold approach truly inspiring. It's a compelling and humorous chat from a non-traditional nature conservationist not afraid to take risks or rock the boat!Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo credit: Magzter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I sat down to chat about this controversial and often emotive topic with the President of the British Veterinary Association, James Russell and CEO of the Badger Trust, Dominic Dyer. We explored the issues surrounding the eradication of bovine TB, a disease of cattle which also affects wildlife species, most notably the badger. And we tackle the logic, pros and cons of the government's badger cull strategy as part of the plan to eradicate this disease.It's illuminating and at times a little heated, but Dominic and James do a sterling job of setting out the issues, respectfully debating the finer points and making a very complex topic more clear. As we all agree at the end, it's vital to talk and come together from both sides of the debate. The all too common 'them Vs us' attitude that often crops up where difficult conservation or animal welfare issues arise can do more harm than good.I'm very grateful to have had them both on as guests, coming together to bring clarity and explore the middle ground in such a divisive topic.Sean's Wild Life podcast is produced by Sean McCormack, co-produced and edited by Thomas Ntinas. Title track 'A Wild Life' kindly composed and donated by Mark Rose. All costs of production have been self funded. If you've enjoyed this episode and would like to tip me by buying me a coffee you can do so here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/seanswildlife. If you would like to sponsor a future episode of Sean's Wild Life please email drseanmccormack@gmail.com and visit www.drseanmccormack.com to learn more about Sean's work.Cover photo by Billy Heaney. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.