The Audit Podcast

This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Mike McDonald, Chief Audit Executive at BorgWarner.   This episode is a little different—it's a replay from one of our sessions at the Audit Analytics and AI Conference, sponsored by Supervisor. Mike has been in the CAE role at BorgWarner for about a year, and he walks us through what that first year has really looked like.   We get into what he expected going into the role, what surprised him, and the biggest lessons he learned in his first hundred days.   Be sure to connect with Mike on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   2:14 — What It's Like Stepping into the CAE Role 8:19 — Understanding Internal Audit's Mission 9:31 — How CAEs Allocate Resources 11:09 — A CAE's Perspective on KPIs 13:52 — Using Full-Population Testing Effectively 16:16 — How to Implement Supervision 17:26 — Building In-House Solutions vs. Using External Tools 20:31 — Identifying What Truly Matters with Population Testing 22:32 — The Skill Sets CAEs Want 24:30 — How Internal Audit Teams Are Using AI   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by three members of Snowflake's internal audit team: Amrita, Pooja, and Ajay.   Amrita Kapoor, Head of Internal Audit at Snowflake, walks us through how their team is using Snowflake's native tools to build practical analytics and AI solutions. She shares several real use cases their internal audit function has deployed—many of which Snowflake customers can replicate with the tools they already have.   We're also joined by Pooja K., who takes us inside the AI tool she built for the audit team. And here's the part that might surprise you: Pooja has no technical background—no analytics, no IT, no engineering—and yet she built her AI solution in a single evening. She breaks down exactly how she approached it, what she created, and why auditors without a tech background should feel empowered to start experimenting.   Finally, Ajay R., Internal Audit Manager at Snowflake, walks through additional AI and data analytics use cases their team has implemented, highlighting what's possible when internal audit fully leverages Snowflake's capabilities.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   4:38 - Snowflake: Team Introductions 14:08 - Leveraging Data Analytics for ITGCs 20:07 - Testing Termination Controls 24:16 - Strengthening Collaboration Between Internal and External Audit 27:46 - How AI Is Shaping Resources and Hiring 30:17 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.  

Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.  * This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics. the services firm that helps auditors leapfrog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.   Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Jamie Meziere, Chief Audit Executive at FedEx. Jamie shares what FedEx's analytics and AI program looks like today and the one thing she wishes every auditor would start doing now. She also talks about the early career goal she set to become a CAE—and how she created a plan, executed on it, and ultimately stepped into the Chief Audit Executive role at one of the largest organizations in the world. We also get into what happens after you reach that milestone: what her first year as CAE has looked like, how she approached her first performance evaluation, and the criteria she believes matter most when evaluating CAEs. Be sure to connect with Jamie on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   3:15 - Jamie's LLM History 6:10 — Leveraging AI for Vision and Strategic Planning 8:54 — Jamie's Top Advice for Auditors 11:20 — Early Career Goals and Jamie's Path to Becoming a CAE 16:02 — Goal-Setting and the Importance of Mentorship 22:40 — Guidance for CAE Evaluations 24:30 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.          

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This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Clarissa Lucas, author of Beyond Agile Auditing. Back by popular demand, Clarissa discusses whether auditing with agility is more of a mindset or a methodology—and why focusing on the why matters more than the how. She shares practical ways teams can move from a "practice-first" approach to an agile mindset and highlights key agile practices supported by recent research she's translated for the audit community.   Be sure to connect with Clarissa on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   2:15 – Clarissa's Favorite AI Prompt 10:46 – Auditing With Agility 14:18 – Shifting the Mindset Around Agile Methodology 17:04 – Anchoring to the "Why" 19:02 – Why a "Practices-First" Approach Doesn't Work 21:50 – How to Effectively Measure the "Why" 27:43 – The Importance of Feedback Loops 31:17 – Breaking Work into Smaller, Manageable Batches 32:09 – Helpful Resources for Auditors 36:10 – Use Case Corner: Managing Too Many Stand-Ups 41:10 – Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

  This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Ed Zimmer, Founder of ControlSense and Principal at Advanced Risk and Controls Analytics, LLC. In this episode, Ed shares what inspired him to launch ControlSense after decades of experience in audit innovation. He talks about the challenges he saw auditors facing, how ControlSense helps solve inconsistencies in the audit process, and why he believes privacy and security must stay at the center of any AI discussion. Ed also walks through a short demo of ControlSense, showing how the platform brings consistency and efficiency to internal audit workflows. For those listening on audio, the demo portion is available on YouTube here. Be sure to connect with Ed on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   1:57 - Ed's Go-To AI Prompts  5:16 - What lead Ed to Launch ControlSense 6:55 - Solving Audit Inconsistencies with ControlSense 8:51 – Aligning with Each Company's Audit Methodology 14:22 – What Sets ControlSense Apart from Other AI Tools 22:24 – ControlSense in Action: Demo 31:15 – Why Users Feel Safe Inputting Data into ControlSense 32:45 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.                      

Links: Concerns about AI-written police reports spur states to regulate the emerging practice   That Omani Auditor   Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.  * This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics. the services firm that helps auditors leapfrog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.   Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Paul Goodhew, Partner and EY Global Assurance Innovation & Emerging Technology. In this episode, Paul discusses how EY is helping clients implement artificial intelligence and the importance of understanding both the potential and risks of this rapidly advancing technology. He explains why AI is different from all other tool auditors have seen, outlines how EY's AI Assurance Framework is guiding professionals globally, and offers practical advice for auditors learning to evaluate controls that use AI. Paul also shares his personal approach to staying current—testing at least one new AI tool a month—and how EY is equipping hundreds of thousands of people across the firm with the right skills to use AI responsibly.   Be sure to connect with Paul on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   1:35 - How Paul Uses ChatGPT 7:09 - The One Thing Every Auditor Should Do 9:27 - Why AI Is Different Than Every Other Tool 12:30 - How EY Is Helping Clients Implement AI 17:46 - How Internal Audit Can Build Confidence in AI-Driven Controls 22:21 - Why AI Governance Should Be a Top Priority for Companies 25:21 - When Governance Struggles to Keep Up With Technology 27:45 - Agentic IA Advances within the Next Year 33:44 - Training and Upskilling Teams for the AI Era 37:12 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.          

This week on The Audit Podcast, our guest is Ronnie Welch, Chief Audit Executive at Guardian Life. Ronnie has spent his career in insurance audit, with experience at MetLife, Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey, and several Big Four firms.   In this episode, Ronnie talks about how he's modernizing internal audit and shares the practical steps his team has taken at Guardian Life. He explains his three-tier analytics system, which helps his 48-person audit team work more efficiently and make a bigger impact. Listeners will come away with clear, actionable ideas for strengthening their own audit teams—no matter the size.   We also highlight Ronnie's achievement of winning Guardian Life's CEO Award nearly ten years before stepping into his current role, showing the dedication and leadership that have defined his career.   Be sure to connect with Ronnie on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   1:06 – How Ronnie Uses LLMs 4:38 – Agent Outsourcing 10:04 – Innovating the Team's Knowledge of AI 15:17 – Who Is Internal Audit's Customer? Let's Serve Them 18:20 – Training for Soft Skills 20:45 – Getting the Entire Team to a Basic Analytics Level 27:12 – Tweaks Made to the Three-Tier System Along the Way 30:13 – Ronnie Wins the CEO Award 32:42 – IIA Vision 2035 33:53 – Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.        

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This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Valerie Zappia, Internal Audit Data Analytics Manager at Victoria's Secret. In this episode, she takes the opportunity to address those unanswered questions and share her perspective on the challenges many audit teams are facing today. She discusses the realities of managing data availability and quality issues, how to navigate the ever-present debate around selecting tools, and what she's doing to upskill non-data auditors on her team. Valerie also shares her thoughts on how internal audit can better align analytics work with the broader strategy and priorities of the organization.   Be sure to connect with Valerie on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   1:31 – Tackling data acquisition challenges 6:44 – Choosing the right tools with insights from a data analytics expert 11:55 – Building data literacy among non-auditors 17:12 – Securing buy-in from stakeholders outside internal audit 25:24 – Final thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Matthew Oleniuk, founder of The Risk Insider and former Chief Audit Executive in the public sector. Matthew shares lessons from 15 years as a CAE, what he's most passionate about right now, and his perspective on how to predict whether public sector projects will succeed—or fail.   Be sure to connect with Matthew on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   2:20 – How Matthew Uses LLMs 5:28 – Advice for CAE Leaders 11:20 – The Dynamics of Building an Audit Committee 15: 35 – The Mindset of Empowering the Team 25:03 – What Matthew Is Especially Passionate About Right Now 29:17 – Why Public Sector Projects Fail 33:21 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.      

 Links: 2025 Audit Analytics and AI Conference   United Airlines AI bot injected because it kept refusing to connect with a human   The rise of orphan agents: autonomy without control   Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.  * This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics. the services firm that helps auditors leapfrog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.   Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Geoff Kovesdy, who leads Digital Controls AI and Automation, and Jimena Escamilla, Senior Manager in Deloitte's Advisory group. They share their favorite ChatGPT and Copilot prompts, talk about the one thing auditors should focus on right now, and discuss how audit teams can get AI and innovation wrong—and how to avoid those mistakes. The conversation also looks at leadership, with Geoff's reminder that "soft skills equal power skills." Geoff will also be speaking at the 2025 Audit Analytics & AI Conference on September 24–25. The event is virtual, and recordings will be available. His session will cover "GenAI: The Truth of the Matter and Impact on Risks and Controls."   Be sure to connect with Geoff and Jimena on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   3:18 – How to use AI chat bots 8:19 – The One Thing Auditors Should Do 10:25 – What Happens When Innovation Plans Go Wrong 15:16 – Innovation in internal audit 27:31 – Soft Skills equal Power Skills 31:27 - Accountability Meets Empathy 34:26 – How to Strengthen Your Empathy 37:00 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.  

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This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Richard Chambers, Senior Advisor of Risk and Audit for AuditBoard. Richard is celebrating his 50th anniversary as an auditor this month, making this the perfect time to reflect on lessons learned over his career. In this conversation, he shares advice for auditors at every stage, the mindset behind his mantra "follow the risk," his predictions for the future of the profession, and even what he'd tell every auditor in the world if he could grab them by the shoulders and deliver one message.   Be sure to connect with Richard on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   7:13 – What's in Richard's ChatGPT History 9:07 – Richard's Lesson in Office Politics 16:10 – How the CAE and Audit Committee Can Align 20:00 – The One Thing Richard Believes Every Auditor Should Do 24:00 – Richard's Perspective on the Future of the Audit Profession 28:16 – How Auditors Can Build Foresight 35:06 – The First and Last Chapters of Richard's Career … Literally 36:30 – How Richard's Books Connect and Influence Each Other 38:34 – Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics

Register for the 2025 Audit Analytics and AI Conference: https://theauditanalyticsconference.com/ Links: Warner Bros Sues Midjourney Over AI-Generated Characters   Banks Pivot from GenAI Hype to Responsible AI   AI Ethics Incidents Double Amid Soaring Adoption   Be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-audit-podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theauditpodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theauditpodcast?lang=en   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.  * This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics. the services firm that helps auditors leapfrog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.   Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

In this episode of The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Alex Rusate, Senior Vice President and Director of Internal Audit at Arrow Financial, and former chair of the IIA's Emerging Leaders Mentoring Program. Alex shares how the program began in 2019, grew so quickly that the IIA brought in full-time support, and has continued to thrive ever since. As both one of the first mentees and later a leader of the program, he offers a unique perspective on its evolution and the benefits it brings to internal auditors. The conversation covers the program's purpose, what it means to participate as a mentor or mentee, success stories from past participants, and how much it has changed over the past six years.   Registration for this year's program is now open and closes September 15 if you would like to get involved.   Be sure to connect with Alex on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   2:47 – AI Prompts and Practical Use Cases 9:00 – IIA Emerging Leader Mentoring Program 12:15 – Alex's Perspective as a Mentee 13:37 – Feedback from Mentees During the Program 15:07 – How the Program has Evolved Over the Years 17:40 – Career Paths after Completing the Program 18:50 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics

In this episode of The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Jessica Rogers, Global Internal Audit Leader at Ernst & Young. Jessica shares her journey to becoming a leader at one of the world's largest professional services firms and what it really takes to reach that level. From her passion for continuous learning to her forward-thinking approach to AI, Jess gives insight into how internal audit professionals can stay ahead. She also discusses how EY is rethinking training for nearly 400,000 employees worldwide in light of AI advancement and what that means for the future of the profession.    Be sure to connect with Jessica on LinkedIn.   Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.   Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.   Timecodes:   2:50 - What's in Jessica's ChatGPT History 9:52 - Jessica's Career Path 18:40 - Overcoming Bad Habits in Internal Audit 22:26 - GenAI 28:16 - Curiosity Is Essential 30:30 - Disrupting the Way We Train People in Internal Audit 35:06 - Making Training Fun 39:21 - Final Thoughts   *   This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.  Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.