The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

How do empathy and employee investment transform a business into a powerhouse of growth and innovation? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill interviews Sherry Stewart Deutschmann, entrepreneur, speaker, and author of Lunch With Lucy: Maximize Your Profits By Investing In Your People. From humble beginnings, Sherry built a 40 million dollar company that was included in the Inc. 5000 List of Fasting Growing Private Companies for 10 years straight. Here’s what you’ll take away: How an employee-centric approach can drive business success by fostering transparency, trust, and engagement among your team The importance of empathetic leadership that enables you to connect with your employees on a personal level and integrate their feedback into actionable business improvements Why company-wide financial transparency leads to a more motivated, cohesive team that drives profitability and growth The secret to building a thriving law firm isn’t just about financial growth — it’s about elevating and empowering your team. Success comes from creating a people-first culture where employees are supported, challenged, and inspired to grow. When you invest in your team and align them with a shared vision, you unlock their full potential, driving results and redefining success not just for your business but for everyone involved. ---- Show Notes:  00:00 – Introduction 03:11 – From Humble Beginnings to Entrepreneurial Success 08:05 – Creating an Employee-Centric Business Model 12:03 – Revolutionizing Profit Sharing: A Monthly Approach 17:34 – Rolling Out Perks That Drive Engagement 21:16 – Why Transparency Fuels Buy-In and Productivity 25:30 – Lunch with Lucy: Building Relationships with Employees 34:59 – Lessons Learned from Selling the Company 39:38 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Sherry Stewart Deutschman ---- Links & Resources: Jehovah’s Witnesses Volkswagen Rabbit Mercury Lynx Nuts! by Kevin Freiberg Scripps Health Crossfit NetSuite Lunch with Lucy by Sherry Stewart Deutschmann Gallup Employee Engagement Study BrainTrust Entrepreneurs Organization (EO) ---- Listening to this episode but want to watch it? Check it out on Spotify.  Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 301 — Michael Cowen — Investing in Legal Excellence: Training, Tools, and Team Building Episode 279 — AMMA — Building Trust Through Authentic Leadership Episode 260 — Robert Simon — The Superpower of Authenticity: Building Communities with Aligned Values | Crisp

Drama isn't just annoying. It's measurable, costly, and completely avoidable. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Cy Wakeman, leadership expert, author of No Ego, and founder of Reality-Based Leadership, to unpack the staggering cost of emotional waste in the workplace. From venting and scorekeeping to resisting change and holding organizations hostage, drama silently destroys productivity and engagement. This conversation challenges the conventional wisdom around employee happiness and exposes the hard truths about accountability, leadership myths, and what it really takes to build a high-performing culture. Here's what you'll learn: Why the average employee spends over two hours a day stuck in drama, and what that really costs your firm How to stop managing emotional waste and start building a culture rooted in accountability and results Why popular leadership advice is often based on flawed research, and what the evidence actually says about engagement and performance Stop managing the drama and start building the culture you actually want. ---- Show Notes: 02:56 – Cy Wakeman discusses her mythbusting approach to leadership and why she brings evidence-based research back into HR instead of relying on pop psychology. 05:15 – Understanding the invisible tax that drains productivity and engagement from every team without most leaders realizing it. 06:12 – The cost of workplace drama and why it's affecting far more of your organization than you think. 14:25 – Why the strategies designed to boost engagement often backfire and create the opposite of what leaders intended. 16:09 – The accountability paradox that makes it impossible to satisfy everyone on your team with the same approach. 19:20 – Where leaders should actually invest their time and energy for maximum organizational impact. 24:35 – What really happens when you raise standards and why most leaders are wrong about the consequences. 28:26 – A new framework for measuring employee value that goes far beyond traditional performance reviews. 36:20 – Rethinking generational differences and what younger employees actually bring to high-performing organizations. ---- Links & Resources: No Ego by Cy Wakeman Reality-Based Leadership by Cy Wakeman The Reality-Based Rules of the Workplace by Cy Wakeman Reality-Based Leadership Website ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 369. Your Ego Is Making You Miserable with Cy Wakeman 191. Joey Coleman — Never Lose an Employee Again: The Simple Path to Remarkable Retention 97. Liz Wiseman — Impact Players: How to Take the Lead, Play Bigger, and Multiply Your Impact

Longevity doesn't equal excellence, but somewhere along the way, we started treating it like it does. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most uncomfortable truths in leadership: tenure is not a metric for promotion. From attorneys demanding partnership based on years served to team members resenting promotions they believe they "deserved," this conversation exposes the friction that happens when loyalty is mistaken for performance. Michael also shares how he's training his daughter to see skills as learnable, not innate, and why the same growth mindset applies to building teams that reward excellence over seniority. Here's what you'll learn: Why rewarding tenure over performance quietly destroys your standards and demoralizes top performers How to define partnership expectations before resentment builds and misalignment festers What to do when you've been delaying a termination decision, and why waiting only makes it worse Time served is not the same as value delivered. This episode is your reminder to lead with clarity, not comfort. ---- 01:57 – Michael introduces his new daily training sessions with his seven-year-old daughter and explains why focus is a trainable skill that nobody teaches. 06:47 – How the triathlon training principle applies to business: success has less to do with natural ability and more to do with time dedicated to practice. 09:26 – An attorney with six years of tenure demands partnership and equity, claiming the firm owner is "moving the goalposts." 14:26 – Why tenure doesn't trump performance, and how to explain promotions based on meritocracy without apology. 18:07 – Michael explains why delaying a termination decision only makes it more painful, and why it will never be easier than today. ---- Links & Resources: Marshmallow Test Lewis Hamilton ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 411. AMMA — What to Do When Everyone Wants Something From You 401. AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael Mogill Playbook 52. Brian Chase — Aligning Passion and Purpose

Most people think they have a revenue problem, but in reality, it’s a reputation problem. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Rory Vaden, co-founder of Brand Builders Group, New York Times bestselling author, and the youngest person ever inducted into the Professional Speaking Hall of Fame. Rory reveals why personal branding isn't about vanity or follower counts, but about the digitization of reputation in an industry where trust determines everything. Through frameworks like Sheehan's Wall and insights from building multiple eight-figure businesses, this conversation challenges the myth that you need to be everywhere, talk about everything, and serve everyone to break through. Here's what you'll learn: Why 58% of Americans want their lawyer to have an established personal brand and how the digitization of reputation drives warm inbound leads in high-trust professions How to break through Sheehan's Wall by identifying your one uniqueness and focusing all your energy on one audience, one problem, and one revenue stream Why serving the person you once were unlocks your most powerful competitive advantage and creates trust that transactions alone never will The biggest personal brands aren't the most talented. They're the most focused. This episode will show you where to aim. ---- Show Notes: 03:43 – Rory shares how he made $250,000 in his summers doing direct sales door-to-door to fund his first company. 09:10 – Why 58% of Americans want their lawyer to have an established personal brand and what that means for the legal industry. 12:08 – Rory introduces Sheehan's Wall and explains why most people fail to break through by being everywhere at once. 16:04 – Larry Winget's transformative advice on finding your uniqueness and exploiting it in the service of others. 28:19 – Rory reveals the shortcut to finding uniqueness by serving the person you once were. 30:33 – John Maxwell's definition of success and why the people who know you best should respect you most. ---- Links & Resources: Brand Builders Group Take the Stairs by Rory Vaden  Sheehan's Wall ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 378. Your Law Firm’s Ads Suck: Here’s Why (and How to Fix Them) with Billy Gene Shaw 205. Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam — Marketing Mash-Up: Scalable Strategies from Industry Experts 32. Seth Godin — Putting Your Best Work Out Into the World

The people slowing you down aren't always the ones you'd expect, and they're closer than you think. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the three types of people who quietly drain your time, energy, and momentum, and why distancing yourself from them is one of the most important leadership decisions you can make. From the ones who talk in circles to the idea generators who never execute, to the "must be nice" crowd who confuse luck with sacrifice, this conversation is a tactical guide to protecting your bandwidth and building a culture of accountability. Here's what you'll learn: Why the people who say the most often have the least to offer, and how to identify when someone is avoiding accountability How to separate real initiative from empty ideation, and why ideas without execution are just hallucinations What the "must be nice" mindset reveals about envy, effort, and the victim mentality that holds people back This episode is your reminder that who you surround yourself with determines how far you go, so choose carefully. ---- 00:02:07 - The three types of people that will get in the way of your growth 00:06:02 - The Mexico vacation story and what people don't see behind success 00:07:02 - Abundance mindset vs. zero-sum thinking 00:10:05 - You can't change people, but you can align incentives with their goals 00:12:23 - Nature vs. nurture: the role of childhood trauma and intrinsic drive 00:13:40 - Why you can't teach hungry and screening for it during hiring 00:15:56 - The importance of clarity and trial roles before promotion ---- Links & Resources: The Ideal Team Player by Patrick Lencioni Nature versus nurture Chip on your shoulder mentality ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 359. AMMA — The Ultimate Guide to Retaining Top Talent 328. Sherry Stewart Deutschmann — Transform Your Business with Bold, People-First Leadership 240. Jessica Mogill — Why Hiring A-Players is Important

The best marketing strategy is the one nobody wants to hear. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ryan Deiss, CEO of Digital Marketer and one of the most respected authorities in modern marketing. Ryan shares the brutal lesson he learned sitting at a bar with a quarter million dollars in debt, the napkin that changed everything, and why the principles that saved his business contradict nearly every marketing trend being sold today. This conversation strips away the hacks and shortcuts to reveal what actually determines who wins in any market, why weak businesses fail faster with good marketing, and how the most successful entrepreneurs think about growth, identity, and what success really means. Here's what you'll learn: Why the entrepreneur who can spend the most to acquire a customer always wins, and how to engineer your business to do exactly that How to recognize when chasing marketing tricks is costing you more than it's gaining you, and what to focus on instead What separates entrepreneurs who scale successfully from those who burn out or plateau along the way Marketing without a solid foundation is just expensive noise. ---- Show Notes: 03:44 – The unexpected lesson from selling a $14 ebook and thinking beyond a one-time sale 04:58 – Why entrepreneurs need the dangerous mix of naivete and overconfidence to get started 08:30 – The back-of-a-napkin decision that changed everything 10:40 – How simplifying the business model led to the first $1 million year 15:32 – The real metric that matters in marketing and why most people focus on the wrong one 17:19 – Marketing as an amplifier and why it can’t fix a broken business 25:46 – Why great marketing must get people to not just notice, but stare 31:00 – The patterns behind the least successful entrepreneurs 39:40 – How Ryan defines success and the power of optionality ---- Links & Resources: Digital Marketer Viktor Frankl Vincent Van Gogh Pablo Picasso ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 211. Pat Flynn — Superfans: How to Stand Out, Grow Your Tribe, and Build a Successful Business 180. Seth Godin — Putting Your Best Work Out Into the World 29. Billy Gene Shaw — Entertain, Educate, Execute: How to Dominate on Social Media

What's stopping you from keeping the promises you make to yourself? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack the real cost of breaking commitments to yourself and why most New Year's resolutions fail before February. From outgrowing old friend groups to walking away from prestigious obligations that no longer serve you, this conversation challenges you to stop negotiating with yourself and start building a life that reflects your actual priorities. Here's what you'll learn: Why breaking small commitments to yourself erodes your ability to follow through on bigger goals How to recognize when relationships and obligations are holding you back instead of pushing you forward What it takes to stay a student of your craft even when you think you've figured it all out This episode is a challenge to stop breaking promises to yourself and start building the discipline required to become who you say you want to be. ---- 05:26 — Why breaking small commitments to yourself erodes your ability to follow through on bigger goals 06:02 — How to build discipline through stacking small wins that compound over time 06:50 — The power of recording your goals on video to create accountability 09:47 — Understanding envy and why people give you a hard time when you remind them of what they gave up on 14:24 — The concept of insouciance and why you should stop playing the validation game as an adult 15:32 — Recognizing the trade-offs and opportunity costs of every commitment you make 20:34 — Why maintaining a student mindset prevents stagnation even after decades in business ---- Links & Resources: Peter Diamandis Elon Musk Interview CES ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 411. AMMA — What to Do when Everyone Wants Something From You 288. AMMA — The Art of Being Decisive 194. AMMA — The Harsh Truth About Entrepreneurial Success

What if the reason you're not achieving extraordinary results isn't because you're doing too little, but because you're doing too much? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Jay Papasan, Vice President at Keller Williams Realty and bestselling author of The One Thing: The Surprisingly Simple Truth Behind Extraordinary Results. Jay breaks down why the popular concept of balance is a fallacy, how multitasking is actually killing your productivity, and why discipline is not what you think it is. From understanding the truth about willpower to mastering the focusing question that changes everything, this conversation delivers a master class in achieving more by doing less. Here's what you'll learn: Why multitasking is a lie that's costing you 28% of your day and lowering your IQ by 11 points How to use selective discipline and the 66-day habit formation principle to make success automatic What the focusing question is and how it creates clarity around your most leveraged activities Want to achieve extraordinary results? This episode shows you exactly how to get there. ---- Show Notes: 03:52 – The origin story of The One Thing, from a 14-page handwritten essay to a bestselling book 05:59 – Why focusing on one thing is such a challenge despite being simple 09:01 – Walking through the process of using extreme Pareto to narrow down priorities 13:04 – Debunking the myth of multitasking and why it's costing you 28% of your day 19:36 – The Green Beret story: how training creates habits that last decades 28:26 – Defining willpower as different from discipline and why it's a limited resource 30:16 – A powerful study on parole judges that proves willpower depletion is real 36:47 – Counterbalancing instead of balance and why it matters for business and life 47:23 – How purpose gives you direction and a clear sense of priority ---- Links & Resources: The One Thing by Jay Papasan Atomic Habits by James Clear Better Than Before by Gretchen Rubin Willpower Doesn’t Work by Benjamin Hardy Grit by Angela Duckworth Eat That Frog by Brian Tracy The Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod The Pareto Principle ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm 334. Dr. Benjamin Hardy — From Limiting Beliefs to Limitless Potential: A Guide to Personal Growth 78. Dr. Katy Milkman — How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be

If you’re carrying the same problems into the new year, it’s not because you don’t know what to do. It’s because you’ve been avoiding the hard calls. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill kick off the new year by answering real questions from law firm owners submitted during our Crisp workshops. These are not theoretical leadership conversations. They are real scenarios about bad hires, private equity pressure, painful lessons, and the habits required to lead at a higher level in 2026. If you’re entering the new year with uncertainty about your decisions, your team, or your direction, this episode brings clarity to what actually matters. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why keeping the wrong person on your team costs more than the discomfort of letting them go How to think about private equity without fear and what actually makes a firm competitive What leadership habits matter most in 2026, including extending your time horizon and protecting sleep quality This is not a motivational reset. It’s a reality check for the year ahead. ---- 02:14 – The bad apple problem and why keeping the wrong person always costs more 04:25 – The real question leaders avoid when it comes to firing decisions 05:00 – How to think about private equity without fear or distraction 08:55 – What actually makes a law firm competitive long-term 09:06 – Why pain is the fastest teacher and how lessons really stick 12:33 – Extending your time horizon to reduce stress and make better decisions 15:23 – Why sleep, recovery, and clarity are leadership advantages 17:25 – How to think selfishly in the right way as a firm owner ---- Links & Resources: Private equity Sleep hygiene ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at https://crisp.co/coach ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 377. AMMA — Market Chaos: How to Not Just Survive, But Thrive 240. Jessica Mogill — Why Hiring A-Players is Important

The difference between those who scale and those who stall isn't talent. It's the willingness to act when every instinct says quit. In the Season 6 finale of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill revisits the most powerful conversations from 2025. From David Kolbe's insights on understanding your instinctive strengths to James Amaro's blueprint for building accountability culture, James Lawrence's discipline in mastering discomfort, Verne Harnish's framework for scaling past plateaus, and Kat Cole's philosophy of relentless self-improvement, this episode distills the season’s most actionable wisdom into one comprehensive guide for growth. Here's what you'll learn: Why understanding your conative strengths can prevent years of burnout and misalignment in your career and your team How deliberate discomfort and daily disciplines train your mind to refuse quitting when adversity hits What it takes to build an accountability culture that drives KPIs without sacrificing team morale or losing top talent The leaders who dominate 2026 will be the ones who stopped waiting and started executing on what they already know they should be doing. ---- 3:04 — David Kolbe explains the four action modes and how understanding your conative strengths changes everything 9:57 — Why your Kolbe result doesn't change over time and what that means for your career 13:16 — James Amaro shares how he rebuilt his firm from 6 people to over 80 after losing almost everything 17:07 — The accountability culture that took profit from 5% to 34% 23:24 — Triathlete James Lawrence reveals his genetic testing results 28:17 — Mental toughness requires doing activities you hate 36:32 — Verne Harnish on why ambitious goals drive energy while attainable goals kill it 42:09 — Founder Mode: why you can delegate everything except the soul of your business 52:18 — Kat Cole's journey from Hooters hostess to leading billion-dollar brands 56:44 — “The Hotshot Rule” for relentless improvement ---- Links & Resources: Kolbe Assessment  Amaro Law Firm  James Lawrence (Iron Cowboy)  Iron Hope  Verne Harnish  Scaling Up  AG1 ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at https://crisp.co/coach ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 423: How to Actually Scale Your Standards Episode 404: The Dangers of Premature Growth with Eric Siu Episode 365: Discipline Is a Daily Decision

What you let into your life matters just as much as what you work on. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the books, habits, tools, and experiences that actually added value to their lives this year. From business and fiction reads to recovery, breathwork, entertainment, and everyday performance habits, this conversation cuts through recommendations and trends to focus on what held up in real life. Here’s what you’ll learn: What habits and tools actually improve your sleep, recovery, and day-to-day energy How to be more intentional with your downtime and choose entertainment that’s genuinely worth your time Which books, apps, and routines will continue to add value as your life gets fuller and more demanding If you’re going to be selective about anything, be selective about what earns a place in your life. ---- 03:01 – Why most business books stop being useful and the one Michael keeps rereading 05:12 – The fiction book that pulled Michael back into reading and why it worked 06:41 – How Michael chooses movies and shows that are actually worth the time 09:56 – Why this was a standout year for gaming and the underdog game that won everything 12:31 – The recovery gadget Michael thought was a gimmick but now uses consistently 14:09 – Breathwork, daily clarity, and the app that made the habit measurable 16:14 – Sleep, meal timing, and the change that most improved daily decision making 23:07 – The productivity app that dramatically reduced screen time 26:53 – The AI experience that genuinely felt like stepping into the future 31:31 – The documentary that had a lasting emotional impact 34:56 – The snack Michael relies on and why NFL teams consume thousands of them 38:36 – Closing reflections on being more selective with what earns space in your life ---- Links & Resources: Michael Mogill’s Favorites Roundup: Gear, Books, Games, Tech, and Wellness Essentials The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir F1 Mr. Robot Clair Obscur: Expedition 33  “Don’t Let Me Drown” by Burna Boy  a16z Podcast Murph Workout Nike x Hyperice Hyperboot Yudemon HRV App AG1’s AGZ Episode 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus Bryan Johnson Opal NewYorkTurk Nex Playground ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 402, How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edge with Dave Asprey 123. Game Changing Authors: Lessons from Best-Selling Writers

When growth starts to feel messy, the real risk is not the chaos. It’s what you quietly allow to slide. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill reflect on the last AMMA of the year and explore a recurring insight that emerges as firms scale. Most breakdowns do not start with big failures. They start with paper cuts, rushed training, and hires made out of urgency instead of alignment. This conversation unpacks how leaders should think when growth forces them to loosen their grip, without lowering the standard that got them there. Here’s what you’ll learn: When to recognize growing pains are signaling an actual standards problem, and not just temporary chaos How to approach training and delegation when you cannot be as hands-on, without letting quality slide How to evaluate hires made out of necessity and decide when filling a seat helps growth or quietly hurts it This final AMMA of the year offers a clear lens for scaling responsibly without normalizing mediocrity in 2026. ---- 02:14 — Michael shares his biggest lesson from the year and explains why there is no finish line in business or life 06:33 — Why the most important work in building something great is often mundane, repetitive, and unglamorous 10:27 — Why growth problems rarely show up as major failures and usually begin as small paper cuts and quality slips 11:01 — How tolerating minor issues quietly resets the standard for the entire organization 16:03 — The challenge of training as you scale and why leaders cannot rely on being hands-on forever 18:38 — How unclear expectations and rushed onboarding lead to performance breakdowns 22:17 — How to decide whether filling a role actually helps growth or creates more downstream work 23:06 — What standards leaders must personally protect as the business grows beyond them ---- Links & Resources: Knife Edge Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs Nick Saban ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 285. Morgan Housel — Mastering the Psychology of Wealth: Beyond Money and Success 233. AMMA – How to Find Meaning in the Journey 214. Dream Team: How to Hire and Keep High-Performing Talent

What if the only thing standing between you and the next level is the courage to ignore the experts? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kara Goldin, Founder of Hint Water and bestselling author of Undaunted, to reveal what it really takes to build a brand, a company, and a category from the ground up. From rejection and industry pushback to Goliath competitors and well-meaning “experts” who swear your idea won’t work, this conversation is a blueprint for staying unshakably committed to your vision, even when no one else understands it. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why bold ideas are doubted before they’re celebrated — and how to push forward anyway How to distinguish genuine insight from the limiting beliefs of others What it takes to stay persistent when you’re creating something no one has ever done before If you want a real-world example of what unwavering commitment can create, this episode is it. ---- Show Notes: 04:32 — Why Kara says she never would have started Hint if she knew how difficult the journey would be. 06:34 — What it took to create a completely new beverage category and convince buyers it mattered. 08:57 — The moment a senior Coca-Cola executive dismissed her idea and told her Americans “love sweet.” 12:51 — How Kara learned to separate genuine expertise from limiting beliefs disguised as advice. 16:06 — What watching Ted Turner build CNN taught her about conviction and pursuing ideas others doubt. 22:01 — How giving up Diet Coke for her own health became the unexpected catalyst for creating Hint. 30:56 — How little she actually knew about the beverage industry and why that ignorance helped her innovate. 35:25 — How landing Starbucks became a breakthrough moment that suddenly reversed without warning. 39:07 — Why Kara believes dark days don’t last forever and how unexpected opportunities follow adversity. Links & Resources: Hint Water Undaunted by Kara Goldin Ted Turner Steve Jobs ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 262. Roland Frasier — The Secret to Scale: How to Grow Your Business 193. Dan Fleyshman — Just Get Started: A Serial Entrepreneur’s Secret to Success 172. Marcus Lemonis — The Three Keys to Business: People, Process, and Product

What if the hardest years of your life turned out to be the ones that made you unstoppable? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down why your greatest advantage is not your wins but the wisdom you have gained along the way. Drawing on Warren Buffett’s final shareholder letter, he explains how reflection, long-term thinking, and the ability to navigate uncertainty shape the leaders who endure. Whether this year felt like a breakthrough or a struggle, you will see why your future can still be greater than your past. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why your setbacks, mistakes, and “learning years” compound into your most valuable advantage How to think beyond the next month or quarter and make decisions that hold up years from now What it takes to stop punishing your past self, extract the lesson, and move forward with clarity If you’re ready to enter the next year wiser, stronger, and more intentional, this episode shows you how. ---- 02:08 — The lesson from Warren Buffett’s final shareholder letter and its relevance for long-term thinkers. 04:51 — Understanding the difference between a winning year and a learning year. 05:06 — How shifting from short-term decisions to five- and ten-year thinking changes your outcomes. 06:45 — The Navy SEAL “no finish line” analogy and why uncertainty shapes the strongest leaders. 08:10 — Why you must stop punishing your past self and evaluate decisions based on the information you had at the time. 10:13 — The real timeline of results and why growth depends on your starting point and expectations. 15:33 — How to know when your firm is truly ready to scale and why waiting to feel “ready” keeps you stuck. 20:23 — Making tough personnel decisions and why keeping the wrong people holds your entire team back. ---- Links & Resources: Warren Buffett Warren Buffett’s Final Letter to Shareholders ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 412. Why Doing Hard Things Is the Ultimate Advantage with Joe De Sena 383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm 370. Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish

You can outwork a lot of things, but you can’t outwork bad sleep. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Michael Breus, renowned clinical psychologist and sleep expert, to break down the science, strategy, and psychology behind truly restorative sleep. From understanding your body’s nightly repair cycle to optimizing your environment for peak recovery, this conversation is a masterclass in reclaiming your energy, focus, and longevity. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why sleep impacts every organ system — and how your body repairs physical and emotional stress while you rest How to determine your optimal sleep amount (and whether you’re actually getting enough) What it takes to create a truly high-performance sleep environment and avoid the traps that wreck recovery If you want to win tomorrow, it starts with how you recover tonight. ---- Show Notes: 02:57 — Sleep 101: what deep sleep and REM actually do (physical repair vs. emotional “metabolism”) and why the glymphatic system matters. 10:26 — There’s no one-size-fits-all “optimal” sleep — how to know your right amount and when low sleep becomes a red flag for underlying disorders. 15:16 — Sleep debt and social jet lag: when catching up works (teens) and when it backfires for adults. 18:06 — The “napa-latte” and smart napping: how to use short naps and caffeine to survive a bad night without sabotaging the next one. 20:02 — The sleep system audit: mattress, pillow, air quality, light, sound, and temperature — the practical adjustments that move the needle. 29:29 — Which gadgets help vs. harm: why mouth tape is dangerous, when nasal dilators work, and the limits of sleep trackers. 32:34 — Alcohol and meal timing: how much, how early, and the three-hour rule to protect your deep sleep. 39:00 — Caffeine and cannabis timing: caffeine’s half-life, green tea/matcha alternatives, and how THC/CBD impact REM and HRV. 45:06 — Supplements decoded: magnesium, vitamin D, and why most people don’t need nightly melatonin — plus important dosing pitfalls. 51:09 — Creatine and sleep deprivation: what current research actually supports (and what it doesn’t). ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Michael Breus Sleep, Drink, Breathe: Simple Daily Habits for Profound Long-Term Health by Dr. Michael Breus Orion Sleep Oura Ring WHOOP Strap ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 399. AMMA — Why Sleep and Nutrition Are Secret Weapons for Scaling Firms 396. Why High Performers Can’t Afford to Ignore Wellness with Dr. Taz Bhatia 125. Health Hackers: Mastering Habits to Operate at Peak Performance

Most people want growth, but they surround themselves with people who quietly convince them to slow down. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill pulls back the curtain on what leadership really demands when the decisions you make are unpopular, misunderstood, or impossible to explain. From the hidden weight leaders carry to the emotional price of high standards, Michael breaks down why the toughest calls often define your future more than your biggest wins. If you have ever questioned whether doing the right thing was worth the fallout, this conversation will hit home. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why great leaders are often criticized for decisions no one else has the full context for How to deliver tough feedback without sacrificing trust, connection, or standards What it takes to stay focused on long-term growth without being influenced by complacent people If you want to rise above the noise, start by refusing to lower your standards for anyone. ---- 01:44 — How Michael and Jessica celebrate after the Summit with pizza, and an intentional return to routine the next morning. 04:06 — Why the reward for work done well is often greater responsibility and higher expectations. 05:22 — How human biology pushes us toward comfort and why resisting that instinct is essential for growth. 07:12 — How listeners consume the AMA in wildly different ways and why Michael keeps the show ad-free as a way to pay it forward. 07:50 — The part of leadership no one warns you about, where you make decisions others will not understand and still carry the blame. 10:18 — How holding someone accountable reflects deeper care than avoiding the hard feedback they need to grow. 13:22 — Why ego is often the biggest barrier to improvement and how people rationalize away criticism that could actually help them advance. 16:57 — Why your leadership style must align with your authentic values instead of whatever culture trend is circulating online. 21:26 — How the culture you build determines who you attract, who you repel, and the pace at which your organization can grow. ---- Links & Resources: Robert Herjavec Radical Candor by Kim Scott ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 275. Kim Scott — The Power of Radical Respect 245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss

What if the greatest victories of your life are not the ones the world celebrates, but the ones no one ever sees? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with three-time Olympic gymnast Dominique Dawes to explore the true cost of world-class performance and what it really takes to build a life defined by purpose, not pressure. From her history-making Olympic journey to rebuilding the sport from the inside out, Dominique reveals the sacrifices, struggles, and pivotal moments that shaped her mission to create a healthier culture for the next generation. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why greatness requires sacrifice and how to decide which sacrifices are actually worth it How to transform pain, pressure, and adversity into a mission that serves others What it takes to build a purpose-driven business without losing yourself or your family in the process If you are striving for excellence that lasts, this conversation will challenge you to rethink what winning really means. ---- Show Notes: 04:56 — Dominique describes the grueling daily training schedule that made her want to quit. 06:45 — She explains why young gymnasts often sacrifice their entire childhood for less than five minutes on the Olympic stage. 08:44 — Dominique shares why gold medals do not make her top ten life moments and what truly matters more. 14:22 — She reflects on signing a lease before the pandemic and pushing through the uncertainty that followed. 17:21 — Dominique discusses expanding her academy and how her daughter telling her she was working too much changed everything. 20:14 — She explains how motherhood shifted her definition of success and forced her to re-evaluate priorities. 24:32 — Dominique talks about why relentless achievement can lead to burnout and what real balance looks like. 32:44 — She contrasts old-school coaching adversity with the healthier culture she’s building at her academies. ---- Links & Resources: Dominique Dawes Gymnastics and Ninja Academy Larry Nassar Simone Biles ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 401. AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael Mogill Playbook 293. Elite Athletes — The Mental Edge: How Champions Overcome the Impossible 207. Patty McCord — How to Build a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility

What if the thing that makes your business unforgettable has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the people and purpose behind it? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Steve Carse, founder of King of Pops, to unpack how an idea became one of Atlanta’s most beloved brands. From pushing a single cart up the street to producing tens of thousands of pops a day, Steve shares what it really takes to build a culture-driven company, stay relevant, and scale without losing your identity. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why true differentiation starts with curiosity, courage, and a willingness to stand out How to build a brand that grows through authentic community connection What it takes to scale culture, empower your team, and expand into new markets Want to build something people rave about and love doing it? This episode shows you what it requires. ---- Show Notes: 02:34 — Steve shares why showing up consistently matters more than talent or timing 03:52 — The early fear that King of Pops might be a fad and how they pushed through uncertainty 07:30 — How artisan-level craft, sourcing, and process became their lasting competitive advantage 09:40 — The moment Steve realized the brand was becoming something bigger than a seasonal idea 12:36 — The challenge of scaling a beloved local brand into unfamiliar markets 14:07 — How COVID unexpectedly unlocked a new business model and created the cartrepreneur movement 19:39 — Why culture must be driven from the front and why leaders must care more than anyone else 38:24 — How becoming a parent changed Steve’s leadership, perspective, and purpose ---- Links & Resources: King of Pops  Work Is Fun by Steve Carse ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actually Works 370. — Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish 338. Will Ahmed — From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey

Feel like you’re drifting through life on autopilot? This episode will snap you awake. In this AMMA edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three deeply personal questions around identity, distraction, purpose, and reinvention. From the erosion of our collective attention span to the fear of starting over in your 40s, 50s, or 60s, this episode explores why so many high achievers reach a point where they look around and wonder how much of their life reflects their choices versus someone else’s expectations. With candid stories, tough-love truths, and practical reframes, Michael and Jessica break down how to reclaim your time, rediscover who you are, and redefine what comes next. Here’s what you’ll learn: How constant distraction is destroying presence, relationships, and creative thinking, and what it takes to rebuild your attention Why it is never too late to pivot, rediscover your identity, or pursue something that truly lights you up What successful attorneys actually do in retirement and why some people struggle to walk away from the work that defines them If you have ever questioned who you are, where you are going, or what you truly want, this episode will remind you that it is never too late to rewrite your story. ---- 02:34 — Michael describes the collapse of human attention and why people are no longer present in their own lives 03:04 — How constant phone use destroys meaningful connection, even during everyday moments like dinner 05:39 — The moment Michael realized technology was reshaping his kids’ habits and what happened when he took the iPad away 06:49 — A challenge for listeners: try an entirely phone-free Thanksgiving and notice how differently you feel 09:58 — Why people wake up realizing they’ve built a life based on expectations instead of their own desires 12:14 — You are not starting over. You are pivoting with decades of experience and wisdom 16:23 — The danger of retiring without purpose and why people fall apart when they have nothing meaningful to do 17:31 — What Michael would do if he could “burn it all down” and start something completely new, and why he chooses not to ---- Links & Resources: Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life by Bill Perkins Jensen Huang ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 384. Break the Mold: The Blueprint for Radical Reinvention with Todd Herman 331. AMMA — Failure to Reflect is Failure to Grow: The Brutal Truth About Staying Stuck 237. AMMA — Breaking Out of Complacency: Transformation Through Innovation

What would your life look like if you stopped seeing limitations as roadblocks and started seeing them as opportunities? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kyle Maynard, world record-holding athlete, entrepreneur, speaker, best-selling author, and featured speaker at the 2025 Game Changers Summit, who was born without arms or legs yet has achieved what most would consider impossible. From climbing Mount Kilimanjaro to becoming a champion wrestler and mixed martial artist, Kyle shares the mindset that has allowed him to turn obstacles into fuel. This conversation is a masterclass in perseverance, perspective, and possibility. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why your limitations don’t define you, your mindset does How to build resilience through struggle and discipline What it takes to face fear, failure, and discomfort head-on If you have ever doubted your potential, this episode will remind you that your only real limitation is belief. ---- Show Notes: 03:22 — Kyle shares how his parents’ mindset shaped his view on adversity 04:10 — The story of how learning to eat independently changed his life 07:07 — Early lessons from football and why losing 35 matches taught him more than winning ever could 09:42 — What finally led to his first wrestling victory, and how it changed his confidence 10:58 — The long road from failure to becoming a nationally ranked wrestler 12:05 — Lessons from sports that shaped his business and leadership philosophy 12:32 — How training with UFC champion Forrest Griffin pushed him to new limits 17:13 — The climb up Mount Kilimanjaro and what it taught him about purpose and possibility ---- Links & Resources: Kyle Maynard No Excuses: The True Story of a Congenital Amputee Who Became a Champion in Wrestling and in Life by Kyle Maynard A Fighting Chance (2009) ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You’d Never Guess with James Lawrence  314. AMMA — Turning Trials into Triumphs: The Art of Resilient Leadership 210. AMMA — Failure Isn’t Final: Lessons Learned From Setbacks and Struggles