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Join Autumn Brown and adrienne maree brown, two sisters who share many identities, as writers, activists, facilitators, and inheritors of multiracial diasporic lineages, as well as a particular interest in the question of survival, as we embark on a podcast that delves into the practices we need as a community, to move through endings and to come out whole on the other side, whatever that might be.
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adrienne and Autumn are thrilled to explore the intersection of spirit, ritual and movement organizing with dear friends of the show, Kaji Reyes and Sendolo Diaminah. The conversation touches on creativity and art in ritual and ceremony, the role of geography and land in spiritual work and the challenge and potential of balancing political activism with ritual practice.Kaji has over two decades of experience across a gamut of community organizing issues and spent seven years at Durham for All. Among other projects, he currently manages the land and animals of a budding community project called Owl Song. Sendolo is the Co-Director of The Carolina Federation, where s/he works building governing power for working people and communities of color in North Carolina. S/he is a strategist with over 15 years of experience in community and electoral organizing, as well as experience winning and holding elected office. ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
1The sisters are ecstatic to welcome OBIE Award-winning artist Jenn Kidwell and ASL artist Brandon Kazen-Maddox to discuss “we come to collect: a flirtation, with capitalism,” a play which invites "you to roll in the pigsty of American consumerism." The New Yorker calls Kidwell "a comic genius in a leopard-print bra and puffball coat."In this episode, we learn how the play emerged, where its accretion of collaborators came from, mirror as metaphor and set-piece, the artistry of ASL and why everyone should learn it and how this striking work of art asks audiences to literally give Jenn money!---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
adrienne and Autumn are joined by Kate McCabe (Founder and Executive Director of Bog & Thunder), Max Sussman (Culinary Director of Bog & Thunder) and Dwight Dunston (facilitator, hip-hop artist, educator, and activist) to chronicle and celebrate their majestic time on a private island in the wilds of West Cork for a writing workshop unlike any other. Writing the Next World is a space to ideate, experiment with genre, and find a writing voice that creates more possibilities for our collective future, all while exploring the beautiful Connemara countryside and eating outstanding food. The event is rooted in the lineages of visionary and speculative fiction and Black Feminist Praxis. The next one is coming up JULY 5TH - JULY 10TH. APPLY HERE!---Listen to WRITING THE NEXT WORLD: the album by duns---Max's Egg Salad Recipe!6 eggs40 gm celery, diced20 gm pickles, diced60 gm mayo30 gm red onion, diced2 Tbsp parsley, finely chopped2 scallions, slicedPinch MSGplenty of salt and pepper1. Bring pot of water to a boil. Add eggs and start a 10 minute timer, keep eggs at a low boil the entire time. 2. After 10 minute timer goes off, place eggs in ice bath until cool.3. Chop eggs or break up with gloved hands. 4. Mix with remaining ingredients, adjust seasoning to taste.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Originally recorded on IG live, adrienne and her friend, the author, activist and artist Sonya Renee Taylor process being a survivor in these times. Loving shouts to Tarana Burke for all the portal opening and Amanda Doyle for clear history sharing. Let it make us seeds of love, let us hold each other tight and continue to pull back the veil.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters are THRILLED to build with their dear friend, Morgan Bassichis. Morgan is a comedian, musician, Anti-Zionist activist and writer who has been called “a tall child or, well, a big bird” by The Nation and “fiercely hilarious” by The New Yorker. Their show, Can I Be Frank? just won an Obie!The trio discuss finding the funny in the sad and tragic, the life of a Jewish artist fighting for Palestine, being brought up in the cult of 'it's complicated', the clarity of doing what we can to disentangle Judaism and Zionism, tapping into compassion, how haters can't make good art, shared power vs. siloed power and the precipice of something big happening in OUR lifetime.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters are THRILLED to welcome poet, Zen master and Indigenous Hawaiian leader Roshi Norma Wong back to the show! Her new book is part story-poem-instruction manual. It's called Who We Are Becoming Matters and is now available wherever books are sold! CLICK HERE TO SUPPORTAN INDIE BOOKSELLER.In this conversation they discuss Minneapolis, Norma's cool hand clasp model to show how our minds and feelings can sync up or not, dealing with trauma and grief, especially with all the chaos around us, what discipline entails and the true meaning of Aloha.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
adrienne and Autumn convened in Minneapolis at the end of January for a live taping of the show at The Great Northern Winter Festival. Every year The Great Northern puts on a winter festival that celebrates our coldest season as a time to gather, create, and connect. It’s an open invitation to engage with the outdoors, experience art and culture, and embrace winter, together---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Autumn was recently in conversation with Dr. Chera Reid and Dr. Trinel Torian on their wonderful podcast, Becoming the Vision where they invite visionaries from the field of philanthropy and beyond who believe and practice the idea that we must change ourselves in order to change the world. Subscribe to Becoming the Vision wherever you listen to HTS.In this episode they talk through Autumn's creative origin story and then go deep into Autumn's new book, Temper: Practicing Freedom in an Unfree World. YOU CAN AND SHOULD PRE-ORDER NOW! ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters are ecstatic to welcome Nnenna and Pierce Freelon to the show.Nnenna is a GRAMMY nominated jazz singer, storyteller and grief sojourner. Her latest album is Beneath the Skin. Her new book is Beneath the Skin of Sorrow: Improvisations on Loss.Nneena’s son Pierce is a GRAMMY nominated artist, picture book author and podcaster. His GRAMMY nominated children’s music albums AnceStars (2023) and Black to the Future (2021) have been featured on Today Show, NPR and Billboard. He has written songs for the PBS Kids animated series’ Alma’s Way and Work it Out Wombats!The Freelons regal the Browns with tales of the late great architect/husband/father, Phil Freelon, being Maya Angelou's friend, manufacturing space ice cream, living in an Octavian future, having to leave Nancy Drew behind and go off-planet, settling in North Carolina, making puppet art about grief, digging where your tears fall and scatting your way through the universe.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters describe how and why they build altars for creation and detail recalibrated writing nooks, work laptops, writing in the tub and car, vision boards, doodles for the self and bringing their creative and familial ancestors into the mix.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters nerd out on project (and self!) management, spreadsheets, procrastination, saving your work and ensuring you have adequate support for the art you're making.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Autumn lives, works and organizes in Minneapolis, where, for over 6 weeks, ICE has escalated its tactics in abducting people from their home. adrienne asks her what's happening on the ground right now and how YOU can get involved.https://defend612.com/https://unidos-mn.org/ ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Another year, another fractal! Autumn and adrienne revel in the majesty their respective weirdness in the artistic process and how improvisation and structure co-mingle. ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Another fractal! The sisters dive into the intricacies of storyboarding and structuring in their writing process and how visual mapping can aid in organizing thoughts and ideas. Also, how to balance structure vs. chaos.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Our fractal series continues as the sisters delve into the challenges of writer's block and share their strategies to overcome it. They discuss the interval method as a technique to manage writing sessions, the importance of external feedback and how crises impact creativity. ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
In this episode, the first in a mini-series on creative process, the sisters explore the importance of making space for writing, both physically and emotionally, and share personal practices that have been helping them inch to the finish line on their respective book projects. ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
The sisters have been deep at work on their respective book projects. Today they're back for a rich and fun chat about artistic practice and creative process. As liberation movements continue to turn toward art during times of struggle, adrienne and Autumn reflect on the power and purpose of their art and art in general. They also share some of their tippity top culture of the year.---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
Some of you may have gotten the wrong audio when we posted this episode on 11/21/25. SORRY!Today we're thrilled to feature the recent interview featuring Autumn from Next Economy Now with Ryan Honeyman. In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world? Together, Autumn and Ryan dive into what has shifted since 2020—exploring the backlash to racial justice movements, the difference between symbolic versus relational change, and why so much of today’s organizing can feel performative when not grounded in real relationship. Autumn emphasizes the need to move beyond fear, resentment, or judgment and instead organize from love, courage, and grief—energies that replenish rather than deplete. The conversation touches on coalition building across difference, how to choose when to hold firm and when to meet people where they are, and what it means to reach for governing power while staying rooted in liberatory practice.Toward the end, the two reflect on martial arts as a surprising but powerful practice for those committed to nonviolence. Autumn shares how Aikido has reshaped her relationship to conflict and power, while Ryan reflects on his own entry into boxing as a healthy channel for rage and resilience. Though a smaller part of the discussion, it underscores a central theme: the practices that help us stay grounded, embodied, and awake are essential to sustaining movements and our lives within them.Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:Autumn Brown: https://www.iambrown.org/ Autumn Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumn-brown-0bab514/ Autumn Brown on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/autumnmeghanbrown/ How to Survive the End of the World: https://endoftheworldshow.org/ Stay Connected To Next Economy News with their Newsletter! Interested in receiving the latest news from the Next Economy? Sign up for our newsletter and receive monthly tips, advice, and resources from our team and partners: https://lifteconomy.com/newsletter
Today we're thrilled to feature an interview featuring Autumn from Next Economy Now with Ryan Honeyman. In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world? Together, Autumn and Ryan dive into what has shifted since 2020—exploring the backlash to racial justice movements, the difference between symbolic versus relational change, and why so much of today’s organizing can feel performative when not grounded in real relationship. Autumn emphasizes the need to move beyond fear, resentment, or judgment and instead organize from love, courage, and grief—energies that replenish rather than deplete. The conversation touches on coalition building across difference, how to choose when to hold firm and when to meet people where they are, and what it means to reach for governing power while staying rooted in liberatory practice.Toward the end, the two reflect on martial arts as a surprising but powerful practice for those committed to nonviolence. Autumn shares how Aikido has reshaped her relationship to conflict and power, while Ryan reflects on his own entry into boxing as a healthy channel for rage and resilience. Though a smaller part of the discussion, it underscores a central theme: the practices that help us stay grounded, embodied, and awake are essential to sustaining movements and our lives within them.Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:Autumn Brown: https://www.iambrown.org/ Autumn Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumn-brown-0bab514/ Autumn Brown on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/autumnmeghanbrown/ How to Survive the End of the World: https://endoftheworldshow.org/ Stay Connected To Next Economy News with their Newsletter! Interested in receiving the latest news from the Next Economy? Sign up for our newsletter and receive monthly tips, advice, and resources from our team and partners: https://lifteconomy.com/newsletter
The sisters are thrilled to welcome soul activist, Francis Weller to the show. They discuss how engaging with grief and shame is essential, the necessary process of the long dark, and how descent leads to self-discovery.Francis Weller is a writer and soul activist who has worked as a psychotherapist for 40 years. He's the author of many books and projects including the beloved grief text, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is currently on staff at Commonweal Cancer Help Program. His most recent collection, In the Absence of the Ordinary, was released in August 2025 from North Atlantic Books alongside the tenth anniversary edition of The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is also the author of Entering the Healing Ground, the companion workbook to The Wild Edge of Sorrow, which will be released in February 2026. ---TRANSCRIPT---SUPPORT OUR SHOWhttps://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow---HTS ESSENTIALSSUPPORT Our Show on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/EndoftheworldshowPEEP us on IGhttps://www.instagram.com/endoftheworldpc/
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i found you 2 when I was adding podcasts to my library. you guys are supercalafragalisticexpealadocious! i wish that i'd had this kinda' sistah love love with my own sister but have found it with my chosen fam. thanx Small. stay well, continue your green joyous, journy's, teachin', and exploring the globe.
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Adrienne & Autumn help me to think critically about the world and my life & share important lessons! They approach their work with so much compassion and love, and also with bold truth. They use an anti-capitalist, decolonial feminist lens that sheds light on our collective situation. I found the podcast by accident and realized I already followed adrienne on instagram, but I was so excited to discover Autumn because she brings as much insight as her sister. Bonus: their voices are very calming.
brilliant, thank you both for your clever soulfulness
wow, thank you. what an incredible interview. so resonant.
Best episode yet
this episode blew my mind, my heart, my being open and let my thought sparkles spill out over everything!!
Thank you for what you give in these podcasts
love this podcast!