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Making Sense of Chaos

Making Sense of Chaos

Author: Maddie & Jason

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"Making Sense of Chaos" is a podcast of people sharing their personal reflections on death, grief and chaos.

Hosts Jason and Maddie currently work as counsellors in the addiction and family violence space.

Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Email: makingsenseofchaospod@gmail.com

Cover art by Ethan Brivik https://www.ebphotography.net.
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Sic Itur Ad Astra

Sic Itur Ad Astra

2022-09-2358:18

Ceara is a 37-year-old psychologist living with terminal illness. On this episode, Ceara speaks about facing her death, how she finds hope in uncertainty, and why she supports voluntary assisted dying. *Ceara is our first returning guest, and spoke to us back in July 2020. Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos Twitter: @msoc_pod   Contact Ceara: Twitter: @CearaRickard Instagram: @ceararickard https://www.gofundme.com/f/supporting-cearas-cancer-journey  
Dr Lars Madsen is a forensic psychologist with 20+ years experience in the treatment of sexual and violent offending. On this episode, Lars shares anecdotes and insights from experiences across his career. He also discusses a case where he provided psychological assessment & treatment to a child sex murderer, using Forensic Schema Therapy.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos  Twitter: msoc_pod    TRIGGER WARNING: This episode describes heavy content.    Supports:  Lifeline - 13 11 14 1800 Respect - 1800 737 732   Work by Lars:  Article - Forensic Schema Therapy: The Joker  Upcoming Talk: Therapy in Confined Spaces: Schema Therapy  Lars' Forensic Schema Therapy Course (6-week interactive self-paced online course that introduces therapists to Forensic Schema Therapy (ST-F)) Website  
In this episode we talk to Dr Ray Middleton on the consequences of medicalising psychological suffering into "mental disorders". Ray is an independent trainer, speaker and writer, and a long-standing critic of the western diagnostic model of psychiatry. He is a lead trainer in the Power Threat Meaning Framework - a radically different approach to psychological suffering, which abandons diagnoses altogether, and offers an alternative to seeing oneself as "disordered" or "mentally ill".  In this episode, Ray shares how his own experiences as a psychiatric patient in the 1990s led to his current work.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos Twitter: @msoc_pod TRIGGER WARNING: This episode describes heavy content.    SUPPORTS Lifeline - 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - 1300 22 4636   _____________________________ About Dr Ray Middleton:    Dr Ray Middleton is an independent trainer in strengths based non-diagnostic approaches to distress, including Trauma Informed Practice and the Power Threat Meaning Framework approach. Ray has a PhD on dialogical/narrative approaches to complex trauma and recently authored a book chapter on innovative trauma informed approaches to people who are homeless.  Previously, Ray has set up and managed personality disorder services, been a senior care co-coordinator in an early intervention in psychosis service and systemic practitioner within systemic family therapy.  For training enquiries:  - Contact Ray at Ray.middleton@ladder4life.com or via his website; www.ladder4life.com
8 years on from his footy career, Brock McLean opens up about his battles off the field - bulimia, depression, anxiety and attempts at ending his life.  TRIGGER WARNING: This episode describes heavy content.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos SUPPORTS Lifeline - 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - 1300 22 4636 Griefline - 1300 845 745 Mensline - 1300 78 99 78  
Close Call

Close Call

2022-03-1701:06:35

*Apologies for the audio quality in this episode - we appreciate your understanding as we work to improve for future episodes :) Jess has a background in psychology and criminology, and works in the reintegration space with long term & serious offenders. Jess chats with Jason about the different perspectives of grief, and why we are who we are. Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Living with Passion

Living with Passion

2022-02-1701:04:12

Emmy van Deurzen is one of the world's most respected existential psychologists. This is a raw and intimate episode, where Emmy talks about death, love and how she makes meaning of life. Also discussed is society's obsession with 'being happy', the medicalisation of human misery and the need to get to know our darker sides.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos      
The Calm & The Storm

The Calm & The Storm

2022-02-1355:58

William Wainwright is a forensic psychologist with over 20 years experience in various settings, with a particular focus on sexual and violent offending.  In this episode, we discuss the psychology behind sexually abusing a child, how offenders justify breaking moral standards, and the cycle of shame involved in repeat offending.  We also discuss the trauma carried by emergency service workers, and how this is identified and treated within Vic Police. Jason shares some of his personal experiences of trauma working as a police officer, and later as a correctional officer in Parkville Youth Justice Centre.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos  _____________ About William:  William has acted as a court expert on numerous occasions and consulted and trained many audiences, including the police, judges, lawyers, DHHS workers, child protection workers, correction officers and prison officers.  In recent years, William has worked as the Senior Psychologist for the Police Psychology Unit and Family Violence Command, and was the key investigator of the 2016 Mental Health Reviews for the wellbeing of Victoria Police officers. William also trained officers in investigating and interviewing people accused of sexual offences.  William was also the president of ANZATSA, a not-for-profit organization designed to support practitioners working with sexually harmful behaviours both in the mainstream populations and disability. He has organized multiple local and international conferences as well as presenting regularly. Currently, William is the Manager of Evidence Based Programs for OzChild, a not for profit organisation that works with best practice programs to strengthen and reunify families. These programs are designed to maintain family networks to offer children safety and security. William is a registered supervisor and has supervised forensic and non-forensic psychologists. He currently runs a peer supervision program for provisional and registered psychologist to develop their practices and skills.
Part 2: We discuss with Noah Rasheta the notion of impermanence; that uncertainty is the only constant in life. We also discuss suicide, interdependence, doubt and the nature of introspection.  Noah Rasheta is a Buddhist teacher, lay minister, and author, as well as the host of the podcast Secular Buddhism.    Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos TRIGGER WARNING: This episode describes heavy content.   SUPPORTS Lifeline - 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - 1300 22 4636 Griefline - 1300 845 745    
Noah Rasheta is a Buddhist teacher, lay minister, and author, as well as the host of the Secular Buddhism podcast. In this episode, Noah talks about how Buddhism changed his relationship with suffering, including the way he processed his dad's death. We also discussed the darker side of our need to be liked, to belong and to stay busy.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Paros (29) shares his story of living through his dad's terminal illness, from ages 17-20. Paros is director of Lost Motos, a NFP and community that focuses on facilitating a safe forum for men needing honest dialogue around mental health.  SUPPORTS Lifeline - 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - 1300 22 4636 Griefline - 1300 845 745 Mensline - 1300 78 99 78   Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
The Ability to Adapt

The Ability to Adapt

2021-06-2842:09

Dylan (26) and Jordan (24) lost their dad, Bentley, to bowel cancer 6 months ago. They're also the founders of a brilliantly named YouTube series, "The C* Word", where they speak about the challenges of living with a family member with cancer. Dylan and Jordan are Maddie's friends from high school, and in this episode, they sit down with her to talk about life since losing their dad.  Donate to Bowel Cancer Support, Awareness & Research.    Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Waiting to Live

Waiting to Live

2021-06-1944:40

Kate's story is not grief due to a death, but due to the long-term incarceration of her brother overseas on a drug conviction. She describes the uncomfortable feelings of shame, guilt and compassion fatigue, and provides insight into the roles we undertake when others are suffering - including the complexities of holding anger, loss and hope simultaneously.    Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos   *To protect privacy, we have used the pseudonyms of Kate and Matt.    
Unedited

Unedited

2021-04-0305:52

Host Jason on how he is trying to accept that everything comes to an end… how this brings him an overwhelming sense of isolation, despair and loss of control, but also a deeper level of freedom; knowing that every moment is a unique, temporary moment in time that will never occur again. Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Host Jason on his own feelings of purposelessness… Let us know your thoughts by inboxing us at @makingsenseofchaos or makingsenseofchaospod@gmail.com (we may share with your permission). Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Ittay, a Jewish educator & journalist, speaks to Maddie about finding meaning and purpose, and why he doesn't want his kids "to just be happy". He also speaks about his journey following his father's death from cancer when he was 21, and how reading the book "Thirty Days" prompted a change in the way he related to death.      Instagram @ittay78   A Reflection on "Thirty Days" by Mark Raphael Baker.   Follow Ittay's journalism and peacework here & here   Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Set in Stone

Set in Stone

2021-02-1341:21

Michael, aged 23, is currently in palliative care for treatment of brain cancer. He is also training to become a nurse, and also volunteers as a first aider with Ambulance Victoria, St John Ambulance & State Emergency Service. In this episode, Michael tells us his story.  Michael's TikTok: @michaelarkalis Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Untimely Death

Untimely Death

2020-12-1601:06:51

Chloe, a 23-year-old aspiring school counsellor, speaks about the sudden loss of her dad 3 years ago - and the flood of different emotions that have followed.  Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
Hard Cuddles

Hard Cuddles

2022-04-1953:19

James Harding had his own experiences in the criminal justice system. Now he's a counsellor, and uses his experience to help criminals change their story.  [Episode hosted by Maddie]. Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos Twitter: @msoc_pod SUPPORTS Lifeline - 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - 1300 22 4636 Mensline - 1300 78 99 78 _____ Hard Cuddles: An innovative mental health service that specialises in counselling, forensic counselling, mentoring and peer support facilitated in an outdoor environment.
The Trauma Cleaner

The Trauma Cleaner

2020-12-0436:27

Sandra Pankhurst is the woman behind the biography, 'The Trauma Cleaner'. Sandra's job as a trauma cleaner has led her into dark homes where death, sickness and madness have suddenly abbreviated the lives inside. She is called on to deal with diverse trauma clean-ups, from unattended deaths and suicides, to cases of long-term property neglect where homes have, in her words, "fallen into disrepute". Most people are surprised to learn that the police, firefighters or ambulances do not do trauma clean-up - that is why Sandra's work is varied and so often includes crime scenes, floods and fires. Sandra is also a transgender woman who was adopted into an abusive family and forced to live a malnourished life in a backyard shed. On this episode, Sandra gives us a glimpse of her story.   Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos
"I've worked in advertising for 35-years. All while suffering from Bipolar 1. So I know what it's like to perform brilliantly in a boardroom one moment, only to find myself crying quietly in a toilet cubicle the next." On this episode, we speak to David Westgate about living with Bipolar 1, as well as some small talk topics such as the ultimate meaning and purpose of life. Instagram: @makingsenseofchaos SUPPORTS: Lifeline - 13 11 14  Mensline - 1300 78 99 78  DAVID'S WORK: David is a keynote speaker for the Black Dog Institute. He's also served on their Lived Experience Advisory Panel and on a mental health advisory board for Australia's biggest insurer, TAL, and as a qualified Mental Health First Aid facilitator. Additionally, David has worked with groups as diverse as the Sudanese community, the Friends and Families of Missing People Unit, Department of Communications and Culture, Metlife, the Treasury, and even a club who had lost a member to suicide.
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Mahtab Haghshenas

Interesting👌

Apr 23rd
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