Hyde or Practice

If we told you how many jewels of knowledge Los Angeles based Gallerist Carlye Packer gives us in this episode, you would accuse us of exaggerating, but we aren't! She goes over her incredible career, from unsuspecting pop-ups and installations, to general advising, to finally setting up the eponymous space! We get into what her role is as a gallerist to her artists, how she finds artists, what she looks for in a practice and more! LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Carlye Packer - carlyepacker.xyz/, @carlyepacker Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com, Art/Practice: Creative prompts to develop your art practice Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: AlexanderRossi.me

In short Alexis peer pressured Erika to talk to her about AI because she is getting very bored of all the fear mongering about it. There are real conversations to be had, but those headlines and stories are practical and a little boring and probably won't get as many clicks. LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

From the hallowed halls of the Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco, Legion of Honor, Alexis and Erika are joined by the esteemed Assistant Curator of Prints, Drawings & Photographs, Sarah Mackay! After running into her at a studio visit during various trips to Los Angeles, she tells us the trajectory of her career, which started off rather differently than most: She was a classical ballet dancer! It's an incredible episode getting into the nitty gritty of hard work, dedication, being available and committing and the proof is in the pudding, it has gotten Mackay FAR! Sarah RECOMMENDS Harry and Meghan DocuSeries Mr. B by Jennifer Homans NPR Podcasts LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Sarah Mackay: - @s.mackayfecit, famsf.org  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com, Art/Practice: Creative prompts to develop your art practice Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: AlexanderRossi.me

Andrea Bastug is Director of Hamilton Selway and our hearts! She does us the MAJOR solid of starting from the very beginning! School, internships, moving, debt, cold emails, and more! She's an incredible resource and not only in regards to her career but also into the markets of editioned works and secondary markets- vital components of the Art World Ecosystem© (lol I made that up) and how they can be incorporated into any artist's practice and collector relations! We end talking about what is in her Artworld Survival Kit© (I'm on a roll) and this is not an ep to be missed! ANDREA RECOMMENDS RuPaul's Drag Race What's The Why LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Andrea Bastug: - @dreabell, HamiltonSelway.com HOP S 3 Ep 12: Vanessa Prager First Interview!  Vanessa Prager Portraits at Diane Rosenstein  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: AlexanderRossi.me

Did y'all know Alexis runs an artist residency program in LA? Well, did you know it just announced it's expanding to New York and the call for artists is now open? Listen up because it's true and it's HAPPENING! Deadline is coming up so please share with all of your emerging artist friends in NY! Details, FAQs, and how to apply all here! LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Quinn Emanuel Artist-in-Residence Program Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: AlexanderRossi.me

Guess who is back!?!?! - VANESSA PRAGER - who is even more generous with her spirit and knowledge the second time around. Prager created her current show Diane Rosenstein, (seriously if you're not familiar click through so you know what kind of genius we are talking to) while pregnant and she talked to us VERY SOON after having a baby!?! And she's still painting?! She goes through her career, her practice, how things evolve, how her self-esteem has evolved and the amount of GENUINE GOLD she gives us is staggering.  LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Vanessa Prager - vprager.com, @vanessaprager HOP S 3 Ep 12: Vanessa Prager First Interview!  Vanessa Prager Portraits at Diane Rosenstein  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: AlexanderRossi.me

This week Alexis and Erika speak with Arts Professional Jane McCarthy and it is a PLEASURE! Jane has a Masters, has worked with museums, galleries, artists, now at UCLA, like...could you ask for a more well-rounded and seasoned interviewee to round out Season 3? It would be a TOUGH JOB! She is eloquent and her advice is SOUND and she is in Hawaii right now riding out the quarantimes so she obviously has incredible decision making skills! Seriously though, her wisdom for biz side of art is invaluable and honestly, this is a MUST LISTEN! OK, until next season! JANE RECOMMENDS: Book: Sharks in the Time of Saviors by Kawai Strong Washburn Netflix: Lupin Podcast: Works In Progres‪s Podcast ‬UCLA Arts LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Jane McCarthy: @janepmc  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com   Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/ AFFILIATE LINKS: Money Bootcamp program - Use Code HOP25 for $25 Off

Trying to make RAQs a thing! People have been asking things like "who gets to show at a fair?" "should I put an art fair on my cv?" "how many pieces of works should I have before a gallery will be interested?" and we tackled them in today's episode LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

A lot of questions coming in for how art advisors or dealers work, how they make money, what's appropriate finders fees for getting gigs from recommendations and we decided to do a break down explainer! ENJOY!  LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

It's impossible to find a place to start when you're trying to describe a conversation with Gabriel Kilongo - the Founder and Director of Miami's hottest gallery, Jupiter Contemporary. Geographically his story starts in the Democratic Republic of Congo and career wise it is in the kitchen of Brice Marden's studio washing dishes. Don't believe us? Take a listen to hear this incredible journey where Kilongo reminds us that diligence, hard work, networking, good taste and perseverance can get you where you want to go - and that the experience you get along the way will serve you more than you know in your future!  GABE RECOMMENDS: Watching: The Watcher, The White Lotus Reading: A Visible Man: A Memoir by Edward Enninful  Listening: Nicolas Jaar LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Gabriel Kilongo - @jupitercontemporary, jupitercontemporary.com  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

Everyone is pretty familiar with the difference between a gallery and a museum, but where do art fairs fit in? With everyone in Miami (at the time of recording) Erika and Alexis decided to break it down - what is an art fair? Who goes? Who participates? And why are people flying all over the world and spending quite a bit of money to do it? REFERENCED: Hyde or Practise: Verona Zheng, Art Basel's Global VIP Manager  Hyde or Practise: Daniel Cheng, Chambers Fine Art LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

Mira Dancy, an incredible artist based in LA, just opened a show at Night Gallery and took the time to chat with us about SO MANY THINGS! We asked her about community and finding inputs and unpacking the male gaze and what did she think was going to be the THING to make her career, but turned out to not be? It is incredible! Enjoy! MIRA RECOMMENDS: Robert Thurman on Youtube LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Mira Dancy - Night Gallery, Chapter NY Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me DON'T FORGET If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ !

In the midst of back to school, and art world season starting up, and post panini life kicking back in - scheduling is tough! That's why Alexis and Erika will be doing a few mini episodes in between the longer form interviews to keep y'all updated and filled in with the latest and greatest!  DON'T FORGET  If you're an artist- sign up to be a beta tester for TPP https://topractisepractice.com/ ! Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi alexanderrossi.me

When we first heard about Liz Lidgett and her gallery (Liz Lidgett Gallery) we emailed her so fast so we could pick her brain about representing emerging artists! She answered ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS! From "What does a gallery even do for an artist?" to the ever important "How do I show a gallery my work?" with incredible knowledge and detail! How do you network, can you do it on instagram, in person? ALL OF THESE ANSWERED! It's golden and so excited to share with you!  LIZ RECOMMENDS: Nonfiction: 4000 Weeks  Fiction: Lessons in Chemistry TV: Only Murders in the Building LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Liz Lidgett - @lizlidgett, @lizlidgettgallery, lizlidgett.com Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/

=More questions about social media going in and we had to go to the source! Brett Park (AKA BRETTPAINT 500k followers on TikTok, NBD) talks about how he's balancing it all as a student, artist, and content creator across many platforms. What is natural, what's performative, how does he do it, and how LONG has he been doing it?! The 10-year overnight success thing is real y'all. He doles out incredible advice for artists, students, and aspiring content creators, it's so generous and wonderful! TUNE IN NOW!   BRETT RECOMMENDS:  Artist Sasha Gordon  Asking questions at galleries  LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Brett Park -  TT: @BrettPaint, Insta @BrettPaint, YT @BrettPaint  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com S lack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com   Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Alexander Rossi: alexanderrossi.me

Watching the trailer for the film, The Art of Making It, is like a trip into the FAQs hottest topic, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT?! Talking to Debi Wisch, we learned not only how she got into filmmaking, but what is interesting about this topic and why make this movie at all? Also, what did she learn making it (heh) and what can we learn from the swath of people they talked to - from artists like Jenna Gribbon to friend of the pod Stefan Simchowitz and internet sensation Jerry Gogosian! It's full of such great info for new and established artists and arts professionals alike!  STREAM THE ART OF MAKING IT NOW!  DEBI RECOMMENDS: Film: My Old School Listen: Pivot Talking to: Liz Plank about upcoming film “Not So Special" Book: Rituals Road Map LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Debi Wisch - @debiwisch, theartofmakingitfilm.com Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, www.topractisepractice.com Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com  Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/

One of the #1 FAQs we get is "How do I market myself?" quickly followed by "How do I do social media?" so we went to the source! Alyssa Weyland is a freelance marketing consultant for ARTISTS! That is the specialty and the incredible info we get...it's so good! We go over the different platforms, how to adapt, mailing lists, conversion rates, even ads! No stone is left unturned and honestly, Alexis and Erika walked away with a few tips for their own social media engagements as well!  RECOMMENDATIONS Book: Dostoyevsky The Devils Pod: The Successful Artist Podcast  LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alyssa Weyland - insta: @alyssaweyland.consulting tt: @alyssa.w.consulting   Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, https://topractisepractice.com/ sign up for the newsletter - click here!  Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com   Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/

Listen in real time as Alexis has her mind blown when Sara Alawadhi, aka @goldendinars on TikTok >75k followers, tells her she is only 17! Erika and Alexis both found her the usual way on TT - via the FYP page - and love her combination art, memes, art history, book reviews, and tutorials! Her wide-range approach has garnered her over 5.4 Billion (WITH A B!) views! We go over how she got started and advice for anyone who needs help getting started on social media! It's incredibly generous and thorough and you will also be surprised that she is only 17! She is wise and poised beyond her years and the advice is evergreen! Enjoy!  RECOMMENDATIONS  Shows: Peaky Blinders, Stranger Things   Podcast: Modern Art Notes  Book: Seeing is forgetting the name of the thing one sees by Lawrence Weschler   LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET  Sara Alawadhi: tt: @goldendinars, insta: @goldendinars  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, https://topractisepractice.com/ sign up for the newsletter - click here!  Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com   Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/

ENTER YOUR BURNING FAQs HERE Next season is all about answering your questions! Enter in the form above and we will find the guests to answer them the best!  LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com   Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractiseapractice, www.topractisepractice.com  Feedback:  https://topractisepractice.com/research-sign-up/ Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/

Always a good time to talk about artists and activism, hence the re-release with the incredible Bronwyn Mauldin!  THIS WEEK! ALL CAPS! We talk with Bronwyn Mauldin, Director of Research and Evaluation for Los Angeles County Department of Arts and Culture, who is also an artist and activist and writer and zine maker and all around woman of our hearts and dreams! We get into the impact of covid on LA's arts community, the economy, and more! Did y'all know that the arts and culture fields make up 8% of the GDP of CA? YOU DO NOW! Want to learn more incredible things like that to impress and stun your friends and family? OF COURSE YOU DO! Tune in! BRONWYN REFS Artists for Democracy BRONWYN RECOMMENDS The Beak of the Finch by Jonathan Weiner LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNET Bronwyn Mauldin: LA County Arts, bronwynmauldin.com  Alexis Hyde - @hydeordie, alexishyde.com    Dr. Erika Wong; - @topractisepractice, https://topractisepractice.com/ sign up for the newsletter - click here!  Slack channel: topractiseapractice.slack.com   Email us: hydeorpractise@gmail.com Music by Cheap TV - @cheaptv_official, https://cheaptvmusic.com/ AFFILIATE LINKS: Money Bootcamp program - Use Code HOP25 for $25 Off -Stop stressing about money—build your financial savvy so you can live a sustainable life and get back to your work.