The Chad & Cheese Podcast

In this episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest host JT O’Donnell for a candid, high-energy deep dive into the chaotic labor market of 2026. The duo kicks things off with "girl talk," debating the age-old GIF vs. Jif controversy and sharing a wild March Madness story involving a chance elevator encounter with a college coach. The banter quickly turns to the business of sports, exploring how NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals are shifting the coaching landscape and the mental health hurdles athletes face when the big checks stop rolling in. The heart of the episode tackles the "don’t know what’s real anymore" era of Artificial Intelligence. Joel and JT dissect the drama surrounding OpenAI’s Sora and a viral TikTok "roast" that turned out to be AI-generated marketing slop. They explore the booming AI-clip economy, where creators are using tools like Opus Pro to rake in six-figure incomes without ever stepping in front of a camera. However, the corporate side of AI presents a grimmer reality; according to the Randstad Workmonitor 2026, 76% of employers expect half of entry-level roles to vanish within five years due to automation—a looming crisis that many workers have yet to acknowledge. The conversation gets real about the current white-collar job market, noting that 40% of job-switchers are taking massive pay cuts just to stay employed. They pull no punches on the rise of "reverse recruiting," labeling services that charge desperate job seekers thousands of dollars as potential scams. From rumors of massive layoffs at Talent.com to the surge in demand for "AI Trainers" and "agentic" skills, this episode is a must-listen for anyone trying to navigate a world where traditional career paths are breaking. Whether it’s legal drama at Deel, LinkedIn virality in the NBA, or JT’s upcoming appearance at Harvard Business School, this episode blends snarky industry critiques with essential survival tips for the modern workforce. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Banter 03:09 - Streaming and Content Consumption Trends 05:52 - March Madness and Coaching Dynamics 08:55 - NIL and Financial Literacy for Athletes 12:00 - AI in Recruitment and Marketing 15:59 - The Evolution of Influencer Marketing 19:59 - Shout Outs and Unique Stories 21:57 - Sperm Donation Controversies 23:36 - Shout Out to Harvard Business School 27:11 - Upcoming Events and Networking 28:02 - Talent.com Layoffs and Domain Investments 31:49 - Salary Cuts for White Collar Workers 38:10 - AI's Impact on Entry-Level Jobs 40:43 - Generational Perspectives on Work 47:42 - Understanding Reverse Recruiting 47:52 - The Rise of Reverse Recruiting 52:10 - AI Integration in Corporate Structures 55:48 - The Future of Executive Decision-Making with AI 58:38 - Opportunities in the AI Job Market 01:00:10 - Industry News and Trends

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In this episode of "HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast," Joel and Chad sit down with Paul Price, CEO of CodeWall, to discuss a startling security demonstration involving the AI recruitment startup Jack and Jill. Price explains how his autonomous AI agents "chained" together several minor, trivial vulnerabilities to gain full access to the recruitment data of major companies like Monzo and Anthropic. The conversation takes a futuristic turn as Price describes how his AI began socially engineering Jack and Jill's own AI voice agents, even attempting to pose as a TechCrunch journalist to extract exclusive funding details. Price warns that we have reached a dangerous "inflection point" where attackers use AI to clone voices with just ten seconds of audio to deceive employees and recruiters. With deepfakes already being used by international hackers to ace job interviews and infiltrate corporate systems, this episode serves as a sobering wake-up call for the industry to build its own AI defense armies.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back with another explosive episode, and this week, hosts Chad Sowash (when he's not beach-bound), Joel Cheesman, and Lieven dive headfirst into the escalating "cage match" between recruiting's two 800-pound gorillas: Indeed and LinkedIn. Is Indeed getting desperate? The trio dissects rumors of a bold (and highly suspicious) "spend-matching" pilot program—think a direct "Pepsi Challenge" aimed at poaching market share from LinkedIn. As Chad highlights, this incentive play comes loaded with major strings attached, raising questions about long-term sustainability and whether it's a genuine innovation or a frantic defensive move in a shrinking ad-spend pie. Meanwhile, LinkedIn isn't playing defense. They're rolling out AI-powered initial interview screening (now in early testing for Hiring Pro users), where an AI interviewer handles audio/video screens for up to 40 candidates per role. The system generates questions based on the job description, suggests ideal answers for recruiters to tweak, and scores responses on alignment—potentially streamlining the funnel but sparking debate on whether it truly improves quality or just adds more automation noise. The conversation gets spicy with "banana in the tailpipe" tactics (classic sabotage vibes), the real cost of Indeed’s incentives, and whether LinkedIn's automated screens will actually fix the hiring funnel—or create new bottlenecks. They also touch on emerging trends like the rise of "vibe-coding" (AI-assisted low/no-code hacks) making ATS integrations faster and easier than ever, plus Travis Kalanick's big reveal: his long-stealth company Atoms launching fleets of specialized industrial robots for food, mining, transport, and beyond—wheeled "gainfully employed" bots, not sci-fi humanoids. If you're in HR, recruiting, or just love watching tech titans slug it out, this episode is pure chaos and insight. Tune in for the unfiltered takes on who's winning the war for talent acquisition dollars in 2026. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Light Banter 02:48 - Chad's New Car Adventure 04:44 - European Perspectives on American Politics 07:24 - Midterm Elections and Political Climate 08:44 - Shout Outs and Industry Insights 12:34 - The Future of ATS Integrations and AI 15:11 - The Challenge of Change in HR Tools 15:59 - Vibe Coding: Revolutionizing Prototyping 17:05 - Travis Kalanick's New Venture: Industrial Robots 18:35 - The Future of Work: Robots as Employees 19:42 - The Impact of Automation on Jobs 22:45 - Upcoming RLX Retreat: AI and Hiring Discussion 23:17 - Rumors of Acquisition: Paradox's Tradify 24:32 - Indeed vs. LinkedIn: The Battle for Recruitment 30:51 - The Future of AI in Recruitment 32:56 - LinkedIn's Slow but Steady Progress 35:59 - The Rise of AI Agents and Automation 42:58 - The Future of Employment in an AI-Driven World 46:13 - Government Regulations and AI: A Double-Edged Sword 53:05 - Cybersecurity Challenges in the Age of AI

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Chad is back, this time in Mallorca, with Rebecca Carr who just dropped a Molotov cocktail on traditional recruiting. This isn’t “optimize your ATS” talk—this is burn it down and rebuild with AI agents running the show. SmartRecruiters went from “just another platform” to SAP’s shiny new weapon, and Rebecca’s here to explain how betting big on AI turned a commodity into a category killer. We dig into: Why ATS platforms are living on borrowed time How AI agents will replace interfaces with conversations The real reason candidates don’t trust hiring tech (hint: black box BS) Why most companies are stuck in Frankenstein tech stacks they’re too scared to leave And how SAP is using SmartRecruiters as a test lab for the future of work Rebecca also pulls back the curtain on leadership—making hard calls, killing distractions, and why playing it safe is the fastest way to get left behind. Bottom line: if your hiring strategy still looks like 2015… you’re already screwed.

Buckle up for another chaotic ride with HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, where the banter is sharp, the takes are hot, and no industry sacred cow is safe from the slaughter. In this episode, Joel Cheesman, JT O’Donnell, and Maureen Clough (with a hit-and-run cameo from Chad Sowash) navigate a conversational minefield that stretches from high-stakes geopolitical dread to the gritty future of how we all get paid. The crew kicks things off with a dive into the "dark humor" of global escalations and movie hot takes before pivoting to the real-world anxieties of the modern professional. Is the resume finally dead, or is it just being fitted for a digital tuxedo? The team squares off on whether AI "slop" has officially broken the application process, leading to a fiery debate on why your personal brand might be the only life raft left in an unstable sea. From the rise of video-first branding to the "human-in-the-loop" reality of Anthropic’s latest AI study, the hosts dissect who is actually at risk of being replaced and who is just being handed better tools. The episode also serves up a masterclass in modern marketing, dissecting a viral $80M funding round that proves "knowledge creators" might be the new kings of recruiting—though Joel isn’t sold on the hype just yet. Between legacy tech acquisitions that feel a little too "desperate" and a sobering look at the "broken rung" still stalling women in leadership, this episode balances cynicism with a blueprint for survival. Whether you’re worried about flying cars or just trying to survive the next wave of AI-driven layoffs, this is the snark-filled reality check you need. Ready to hear why your LinkedIn engagement is tanking and why a Big Mac video might be the future of executive branding? Hit play and join the conversation. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Light Banter 01:20 - Current Events and Global Concerns 05:33 - Shifting Perspectives on War and Politics 08:30 - Innovations in Transportation: The Rise of EV Talls 10:51 - The Importance of Executive Branding 18:09 - The Death of the Resume: A New Era in Hiring 33:06 - AI's Impact on the Job Market 34:24 - Craftsmanship in the Age of AI 35:20 - The Importance of AI Literacy 36:49 - The Digital Renaissance and Career Opportunities 41:29 - Navigating Job Market Changes 56:23 - Women in the Workplace: Challenges and Opportunities

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Strap in, HR tech fans, because it’s time for a reality check on the 2024 job market. On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, we’re tearing down a landscape that isn't just "shifting"—it’s being dismantled and rebuilt by AI and corporate "cost-cutting." Joined by industry heavy-hitters Jillian O’Malior and JT O’Donnell, we dive into the brutal reality of the "ghosting" epidemic, where qualified candidates are trapped in months-long interview loops that lead to nowhere. We explore why your old-school connections aren't enough anymore and why building a visible personal brand is the only way to stay relevant. From the "executive squeeze"—where high-level roles are being swapped for lower titles with double the workload—to the rise of the augmented workforce, we’re delivering the snark and the strategies you need to survive. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Jillian O'Malior and her expertise 01:00 - Jillian's background in employer branding and talent marketing 02:20 - The realities of job searching in 2024: experiences and frustrations 05:12 - The long, arduous process of applying and interviewing 08:51 - The impact of economic restructuring and AI on hiring 10:46 - Changing hiring practices: from who you know to who knows you 12:11 - Wage suppression and the role of AI in job market dynamics 14:08 - The unrealistic expectations of AI making everyone a unicorn 15:05 - The pitfalls of lazy apply and AI-driven applications 18:11 - The significance of instant rejection and applicant experience 22:38 - The importance of transparency and candidate communication 27:25 - The emotional toll of unemployment and job search desperation 30:49 - Addressing the stigma and shame around layoffs 33:26 - The role of social media in job search and personal branding 37:54 - The holistic approach: showing your true self online 40:15 - Building a personal brand through honesty and content creation 45:17 - The importance of authenticity and transparency in professional branding 45:58 - Final thoughts and connecting with Jillian O'Malior

This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the gang proves once again that you can’t separate HR from the real world—especially when the real world feels like it’s on fire. What starts as travel talk quickly spirals into global tension, disrupted plans, and a larger conversation about leadership in moments of chaos. Let’s just say when flights get rerouted and headlines get louder, it’s hard not to wonder how instability at the top trickles down to the rest of us. The trio doesn’t pretend to have foreign policy solutions—but they do have opinions. Lots of them. Of course, it wouldn’t be Chad & Cheese without a few sharp left turns. A certain fast-food giant’s awkward attempt at relatability gets the roast treatment, sparking a conversation about authenticity in the age of executive social media. That dovetails nicely into a broader debate about AI-generated marketing campaigns—especially when “people companies” experiment with removing actual people from the picture. Bold move? Lazy shortcut? Marketing genius? The gang weighs in. On the industry side, several heavy hitters are making moves. One longtime ATS player is rolling out a fresh brand and a shiny AI layer meant to unify its platform—raising questions about whether this is a true product evolution or a well-timed narrative shift. Another HR tech roll-up with a portfolio of recognizable recruiting brands has a new CEO at the helm, bringing big AI and SaaS credentials to what some see as a complex integration puzzle. Meanwhile, a job board giant finally makes a major technical leadership hire after years of operating without one—prompting debate about product vision, innovation debt, and what it really takes to modernize at scale. Add in contrasting approaches to AI-driven workforce strategy from major financial and retail employers, a glimmer of revenue optimism from a familiar job platform, a dad joke that absolutely no one asked for, and the usual sponsor shoutouts—and you’ve got classic Chad & Cheese: equal parts insight, irreverence, and “did they really just say that?” Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Current Events 02:57 - Impact of War on Travel and Daily Life 05:59 - Fast Food and Cultural Reflections 08:48 - Advertising Trends and AI in Marketing 11:59 - Privacy Concerns and Societal Reflections 14:57 - Shoutouts and Personal Reflections 16:28 - Introduction to Traders and Travel Plans 18:32 - Industry Changes and iSIMS' New Brand Identity 28:41 - The Importance of Execution in Branding 32:05 - Leadership Changes at Employee and Future Prospects 36:58 - The Future of ATS and Customer Retention 39:41 - Challenges Facing Legacy ATS Providers 44:52 - Leadership Changes at Indeed 47:18 - AI's Impact on Employment 55:43 - ZipRecruiter's Recent Growth and Strategy

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Get ready to punch the clock because the boys are back, and this time they’re bringing the data to the drama. In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, HR’s most dangerous duo sits down with Misty Heggeness, the powerhouse economist and author of Swiftynomics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy. They’re diving deep into the messy reality of gender dynamics, from the "recognition gap" that leaves women’s best ideas stranded in the boardroom to the strategic masterminding required to navigate a lopsided workforce. Misty breaks down how women are effectively refining the economy—even when they’re working twice as hard for half the credit—and offers a no-BS roadmap for self-advocacy, networking, and why your personal story is the most lethal tool in your professional arsenal. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Misty Heggeness's Background 02:02 - Family Lore and Early Life in Fargo 04:07 - Career at the US Census Bureau and Academic Role 05:35 - Inspiration Behind 'Swift Dynamics' and Taylor Swift 08:02 - Taylor Swift’s Impact on Women and Business Strategies 10:59 - Economic Impact of Taylor Swift’s Tours and Business Tactics 13:08 - Early Career and Nashville Country Music Scene 15:01 - Women’s Progress in the Workforce and Cultural Shifts 18:05 - Gender Dynamics in Economics and Leadership Styles 21:07 - Women Making Their Own Pyramids and Future Outlook 24:02 - Women’s Earnings, Education, and Top Leadership Barriers 28:04 - Taylor Swift’s Employee Bonuses and Local Economic Impact 31:59 - Pay Equity, Economic Growth, and Corporate Responsibility 36:03 - Where to Find the Book and Connect with Misty Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Swiftynomics-Women-Mastermind-Redefine-Economy/dp/0520403118

Cheese is MIA, so Chad bring the ladies in to take over, and chaos follows: StepStone celebrates record applications… during record job desperation. Spin level: Olympic gold. AI agent harassment enters the chat. IBM’s COBOL cash cow meets AI with a chainsaw. Google’s “CareerDreamer” Copy prompt → paste → profit? Kombo vs. Humand at 2 am Tech layoffs are giving Hunger Games energy. CEOs call unemployment “momentum.” Workers call it “rent’s due.” AI in hiring: helpful assistant or reputation wrecking hallucination machine? Stay tuned.

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Forget flashy career sites and catchy slogans—if you want to win the talent war in 2026, you need to stop being "attractive" and start being "choosable." In this episode, the boys sit down with employer branding heavyweight James Ellis, founder of Employer Brand Labs, to deconstruct the shallow misconceptions plaguing the industry. Fresh off the release of his new book, Becoming Choosable, Ellis dives deep into why most companies fail by prioritizing aesthetics over substance. From a scathing critique of superficial Super Bowl ads to a masterclass on the NFL’s global expansion strategy, the conversation bridges the gap between high-level marketing and the gritty reality of talent acquisition. Whether you're a mid-sized firm or a global powerhouse, tune in to learn how to define your company’s unique core identity and build a talent strategy that actually drives business growth. Ready to find out if your brand is actually "choosable" or just wearing a fresh coat of paint? Give the episode a listen on the Chad and Cheese Podcast official site or your favorite streaming platform. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Employer Branding and the Podcast 02:17 - Super Bowl Insights and Branding Implications 05:18 - The Catalyst for Writing 'Becoming Choosable' 09:28 - Understanding Employer Branding and Business Growth 13:23 - The Future of Talent Acquisition and Branding Challenges 15:00 - The Importance of Brand in Recruitment 18:53 - Navigating the ATS Landscape 22:00 - The Role of Social Media in Employer Branding 29:58 - Targeting and Brand Messaging in a Holistic World

In the latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, HR’s "most dangerous" duo is back to slice through the industry noise with their signature brand of snark and real-talk. This week, the boys dive into LinkedIn’s sudden quest for a personality, questioning if the platform can actually pull off being "funny" and what that cultural shift means for your professional feed. The conversation heats up as they dissect Google's latest moves to monetize Google for Jobs, a play that could fundamentally disrupt the recruitment landscape and how employers reach talent. Finally, things get sobering as they issue a blunt wake-up call to white-collar workers: evolve your skillset now or prepare for obsolescence in an AI-driven market. It’s a high-stakes mix of big tech power plays and career survival tactics that you won't want to miss. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Banter 06:46 - Shout Outs and Industry Insights 10:24 - Travel Plans and Events 16:42 - Acquisition of BeApplied by Phenom 24:19 - Market Pressures and Company Valuations 27:51 - LinkedIn's Marketing Strategy Shift 34:18 - Google's Monetization of Job Searches 42:07 - The Future of White Collar Jobs 51:01 - Indeed's Smart Screening Updates

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Is the "black box" of AI hiring finally being pried open? In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash sit down with Rachel Dempsey of Towards Justice to dissect a landmark class-action lawsuit against Eightfold AI. Filed in early 2026, the suit alleges that the platform creates secret "consumer reports" on job seekers—scoring everything from personality to performance potential without the applicant’s knowledge or consent. From the personal struggles of barred candidates to the legal muscle of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), we explore why there is no "AI exemption" for transparency and how this case could fundamentally redefine worker rights in the age of algorithmic recruitment. Think you know why you didn't get that last job? The truth might be hidden in a data profile you never authorized. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Rachel Dempsey and Towards Justice 02:59 - Understanding the Eightfold Case and AI Hiring Practices 06:10 - The Fair Credit Reporting Act Explained 08:58 - The Implications of AI in Hiring and Data Privacy 11:59 - Class Action Lawsuit Dynamics and Its Importance 16:03 - Legal Precedents and Future Implications 20:04 - Employer Responsibilities and Risks in AI Hiring 24:01 - The Role of LinkedIn and Other Platforms in Hiring 27:54 - Conclusion and How to Reach Towards Justice

This week, the gang dives into the corporate chaos defining the start of 2026. The crew pulls no punches on the Workday leadership shakeup, questioning the optics of massive layoffs paired with multimillion-dollar executive payouts as a co-founder returns to the helm for the fourth time. While the market panic over AI monetization sends SaaS stocks tumbling, the hosts dissect whether we’re seeing a true tech revolution or just a "knee-jerk" reaction to the high costs of artificial intelligence. The conversation shifts to the "digital battlefield" of job searching, where Indeed’s new ChatGPT integration is met with heavy skepticism—framed less as a game-changer and more as a "lazy" attempt to capture upstream traffic. Beyond the apps, a legal storm is brewing as Eightfold AI and Workday face high-stakes lawsuits over "black-box" screening tools, with plaintiffs arguing these algorithms should be regulated like credit scores. From France's aggressive move to ditch US tech like Zoom and Teams in favor of digital sovereignty to a sobering look at how wealth disparity and narrative manipulation keep the masses distracted, this episode is a raw, unfiltered deep dive into the crumbling status quo of HR and global tech. Chapters 00:00 - Super Bowl Celebrations and Personal Reflections 03:00 - Cultural Impact of Halftime Shows 06:02 - Market Reactions and Speculation in Tech 09:03 - Advertising Trends and Consumer Perception 12:01 - Protests and Social Responsibility 15:02 - Workday's Leadership Changes and Market Challenges 30:40 - Employee Power and Corporate Accountability 33:02 - The State of Major Tech Companies 33:56 - Indeed's AI Integration and Job Market Dynamics 37:53 - The Future of Job Search with AI 42:54 - Legal Challenges in AI Hiring Practices 54:57 - Global Shifts in Tech and Workforce Dynamics

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