The Chad & Cheese Podcast

How do you tell 21,000 candidates a year "thanks, but no thanks" without accidentally convincing them to stop drinking your beer? From Amsterdam’s Muziekgebouw, Chad Sowash catches up with Heineken’s Head of Talent, Kobi Ampoma, to peel back the curtain on enterprise hiring reality. They break down the real cost of clunky legacy tech, why calendar Tetris is devouring 30% of your recruiters' workweeks, and the secret to getting a CRO’s attention by tying empty seats directly to lost revenue. Plus, discover how Heineken teamed up with VONQ to rethink candidate persona mapping—driving a 75% female hire rate for their commercial teams and proving that the best diversity strategy is simply reflecting the customers who actually buy your product.

Paris is Burning, Autonomous Fridges are Hacking Back, and the "Hiring Reject Machine" is Eating Candidates Alive Ever wonder what happens when nearly $400 million in VC cash collides with pure, unadulterated recruiting chaos? Strap in, because Chad and Cheese are back to expose the absolute circus that is modern AI talent tech. In this episode, we unpack: Elon’s 30-Second Wonder: Why SpaceX-style thrusters on a car are about as viable for a 5-minute flight as a chocolate fireguard. The Bullhorn Blackout: Ten thousand staffing agencies left staring at blank walls after a cyberattack. Did data fly the coop? Nobody knows, but at least recruiters got a coffee break! Eightfold’s Musical Chairs: A massive lawsuit, a new CEO stepping into the ring, and why this looks suspiciously like the Theranos of recruiting. Are any of these tech bros actually thinking about the poor job seeker getting ground up in the gears? Absolutely not! Tune in for the hot takes, the rage, and a bartender who definitively understands the assignment.Listen now before your ATS turns into a sentient overlord.

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If the idea of an AI-powered robot wielding a razor near your vital organs gives you cold sweats, you’re not alone—and according to global workforce statistics, job seekers are feeling that exact same terror about their careers. In this chaotic, live episode from Amsterdam, co-hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash bring a microphone and a healthy dose of snark to four brave HR industry leaders: Rika Coppens CEO, House of HR Chiara Riondino Head of FOW, European Commission Minna Melleri Executive Director, World Employment Confederation Glenn Bloxham-Mundy Global Accounts Leader, LinkedIn Tune in to hear what happens when application bots fight recruiter bots in an endless doom-loop, and stick around for the post-show outrage when an announcer realizes a podcast named after cheese didn't mention a single slice of Cheddar.

On the latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman and Emi Beredugo dig into a busy week of talent-tech deals and LinkedIn news. Acquisitions, resignations and bad decisions are back, baby! SAP has acquired skills-intelligence company TechWolf, which will integrate with SuccessFactors while remaining independent. Juicebox has picked up the intellectual property and assets of sourcing platform Fetcher. Humanly has acquired CareerArc to combine recruitment marketing with its AI hiring tools for high-volume employers. They also cover LinkedIn CEO Ryan Roslansky’s departure after 18 years, the demotion of a McKinsey partner following a LinkedIn post about the “glass cliff,” and LinkedIn’s new Academy of Economic Opportunity for aspiring entrepreneurs. The episode wraps with a viral TikTok of a candidate speaking gibberish to an AI interviewer that ends the call. Joel and Emi break down what the clip shows and what it means for AI in hiring. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and episode overview 01:07 - Joel's travel update and jet lag discussion 02:45 - Emi recognized as a top UK black professional 04:30 - Recent recognition and awards for Emi 16:13 - SAP acquires Tech Wolf to enhance skills-based hiring 19:40 - The strategic value of Tech Wolf's data analytics 22:16 - Acquisition of Fuel Fifty and industry implications 23:40 - Fetcher acquisition by Juice Box and industry decline 31:33 - History and strategic moves of CareerArc 34:51 - Leadership changes at LinkedIn and organizational culture 35:57 - LinkedIn launches Academy of Economic Opportunity 43:20 - Discussion on the departure of LinkedIn's CEO 44:44 - The rise of AI interviewers and their risks 55:53 - AI interviewers going rogue and candidate experience 58:16 - Humor and closing remarks