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Everything Recruiting, Recruitment Marketing, Technology, Talent Management, and Workforce Economics wrapped in brash opinions and loads of snark. Industry veterans Chad Sowash & Joel Cheesman share their experience and opinion on a wide variety of topics and current news stories. Hiring companies, employers, and vendors tune in for insights from practitioners, vendors, startups, and these two knuckleheads.
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In this snark-filled episode, Chad & Cheese take a deep dive into one of the most talked-about events of 2024: the merger between two job board giants, Monster and CareerBuilder. Once the dominant forces in the recruitment industry, these two "dinosaurs" are now struggling to survive as they attempt to snuggle up and weather the changing landscape. Chad & Cheese break down how these industry titans fell from grace, touching on Monster’s acquisition by Randstad and CareerBuilder’s dismemberment by Apollo. With their trademark wit, they explore what went wrong—spoiler: Super Bowl commercials and bad leadership played a part—and predict how the merger will likely end.
As they navigate the impact of the merger, Chad & Cheese explain why the job board industry is evolving into something more focused on niche markets and innovative performance models, while the "Titans of Old" are left rearranging deck chairs on the sinking ship. Filled with sharp insights and unfiltered commentary, this episode offers listeners a front-row seat to the job board "meteor crash" and what it means for the future of recruiting.
Get ready for some brutal honesty about where the industry is headed and why the old giants may not survive unless they evolve—fast.
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Richard Collins, serial entrepreneur and founder of C Squared Technology, discusses the art of the startup pivot and mastering the challenges and opportunities in the recruitment advertising industry. He shares his experience with building a platform that connects job boards and employers, focusing on delivering qualified applicants. Richard emphasizes the need for a shift from quantity-based metrics like cost per click to quality-based metrics like cost per qualified applicant. He also highlights the importance of community-building and reinvention in the job board industry. Richard also discusses the funding and growth plans for C Squared Technology.
Checkout his recent post on the move: https://www.cvwallet.com/post/our-journey-from-smart-cvs-for-jobseekers-to-solving-recruitment-advertising-for-the-ai-age
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
04:10 - From CV Wallet to C Squared Technology
08:59 - The Role of Blockchain in the Industry
10:36 - Pivoting and Adapting to the Changing Market
12:24 - Tips for Startups Facing a Pivot
13:39 - Shifting from CPC to Qualified and Interested Applicants
19:38 - The Disconnect Between Traffic and Quality
22:04 - The Role of C Squared Technology in the Job Board Ecosystem
26:36 - Building a Platform and the Future of C Squared Technology
33:00 - Reflections on the Changing Landscape of Tech Startups
36:40 - Funding and Growth Plans for C Squared Technology
Keywords
Richard Collins, Beverly Collins, C Squared Technology, ClickIQ, Indeed, IndeedIQ, recruitment advertising, job boards, qualified applicants, cost per click, cost per qualified applicant, platform, community-building, funding, growth plans, Appcast, CV Wallet
With Chad jet lagged from his trip back home from Portugal, Work It Daily's J.T. O'Donnell fills in.
The main themes include the changing expectations of job seekers, the importance of authenticity and authentication in employer branding, the impact of AI and automation on job applications, the rise of video in recruitment, the role of social media in employee activism, and the right to disconnect from work. The conversation also touches on the cooling labor market and the challenges faced by job seekers in finding suitable employment.
What's more? Joel and J.T. discuss various topics related to employment and the workforce. They touch on the impact of the economy on different age groups, the future of recruiting, the rise of remote work, and the challenges of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. They also discuss the launch of LinkedIn's podcast aimed at Gen Z and the controversy surrounding an ageist report by Indeed.
Takeaways
Job seekers now expect the job to find them, thanks to the influence of platforms like TikTok.
Authenticity is important, but job seekers also want authentication to ensure that employers are who they say they are.
Video is becoming a crucial tool in recruitment, allowing job seekers to showcase their skills and employers to provide an authentic view of their company.
Job seekers are using social media to document and validate their experiences, challenging traditional power dynamics in the workplace.
The right to disconnect from work is becoming increasingly important, especially for younger generations who prioritize work-life balance. The economy has different impacts on different age groups, with younger individuals facing challenges in finding employment and older individuals experiencing age discrimination.
The future of recruiting is uncertain, with the rise of AI and automation potentially reducing job opportunities in certain sectors.
Remote work is becoming more prevalent and offers opportunities for individuals to have flexible and fractional careers.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts in companies are facing challenges and pushback, with some companies scaling back their initiatives.
LinkedIn's launch of a podcast aimed at Gen Z reflects the growing importance of podcasts as a medium for professional content.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
01:34 - Introducing J.T. O'Donnell and her Background
02:21 - The Changing Expectations of Job Seekers
03:45 - The Importance of Authenticity and Authentication in Employer Branding
06:33 - The Rise of Video in Recruitment
07:59 - The Role of Social Media in Employee Activism
08:46 - The Right to Disconnect from Work
09:57 - The Cooling Labor Market and Challenges for Job Seekers
24:42 - The Impact of the Economy on Different Age Groups
27:24 - The Future of Recruiting and the Rise of AI
28:56 - The Opportunities and Challenges of Remote Work
37:46 - The Challenges of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
48:17 - LinkedIn's Podcast Aimed at Gen Z
Keywords
job market, job seekers, authenticity, authentication, AI, automation, video, social media, employee activism, right to disconnect, labor market, employment, workforce, economy, ageism, recruiting, remote work, diversity, equity, inclusion, LinkedIn, podcast
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Yehuda Beller, co-founder and CRO at Worklik joins the Chad and Cheese podcast for a session of Firing Squad. WorkLik is a video-based job platform that aims to improve the candidate experience and connect job seekers with employers. They focus on hourly workers and Gen Z job seekers who are tired of the traditional hiring process. They've raised $2.5 million in seed funding and are planning to raise a Series A round soon. They offer a pay-per-match model, where employers only pay when they match with a qualified candidate. Sounds familiar, but do they have something unique enough to make it out alive? Gotta listen.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
05:05 - The Name and Funding
06:15 - The Relevance of Video Resumes
07:51 - Funding and Advisory Board
09:13 - Background and Expertise of the Leadership Team
12:00 - Creating Video Intros and Work History
13:30 - Target Audience and User Experience
14:16 - Video Resumes and Risk Assessment
17:04 - Matching Candidates with Job Requirements
18:46 - Focus on Hourly Work and Part-Time Jobs
21:41 - Improving the Candidate Experience
24:43 - Emphasizing the Human Connection
26:13 - Engaging Candidates Through Chat Messaging
29:46 - Expanding Reach Through Social Media
35:16 - Pay-Per-Match: A Cost-Effective Model
This week, the boys are doing their best Charles Dickens impressions, but instead of two cities, they're waxing poetic about the tale of two applicant tracking systems: SmartRecruiers and iCIMS. One is making all the right moves, while the other one, well, not-so-much. Then it's on to Amazon, whose new Amazon Q technology is taking the world by storm ... and possibly putting a lot of developers out of work. Yikes!
Then it's time for a little Buy-or-Sell, featuring Pangeam, Micro1 and Workpay. More disagreement this time than usual, so hopefully you like fireworks. And if you don't like fireworks, hopefully you like chicken, becauase Chick-fil-A is back in the news. And speaking of chicken, don't even get Chad started on Chicken Cock Whiskey ... you just need to listen.
Chapters
01:00 - Euro Chad goes deep
03:40 - Chicken Cock Whiskey
05:18 - Oasis, PeralJam and Xers
08:25 - Kelce's New Heights rein in $100m
12:00 - Fantasy Football
14:15 - CEO Divergence
20:01 - iCIMS: Potential Acquisition Strategy and Layoffs
21:01 - SmartRecruiters: Industry Knowledge and Global Expansion
21:14 - Impact of CEO Changes on Global Growth Strategies
21:30 - Comparing iCIMS and SmartRecruiters
27:36 - The Impact of Amazon Q
34:54 - Recent Funding: Pangem, Micro One, and Workpay
43:32 - Chick-fil-A's Misadventure in the Streaming Market
Keywords
SmartRecruiters, iCIMS, CEO changes, acquisitions, layoffs, global growth strategy, iCIMS, SmartRecruiters, HR tech, AI, software development, Amazon Q, Pangem, Micro One, Workpay, Chick-fil-A, streaming platform
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Matt Fischer, President and COO of Bullhorn, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the evolution of Bullhorn and the future of the recruiting industry. Fischer shares his background and how he got into the staffing and tech industry. He also talks about the importance of AI in recruiting and how it can optimize the human element of the job. The conversation covers Bullhorn's recent acquisition of Textkernel and the benefits it brings to the company. Fischer also discusses Bullhorn's marketplace and venture investments, as well as the state of the staffing industry.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
02:58 - Bullhorn's Evolution and Acquisition of Textkernel
08:39 - The Importance of Bullhorn's Marketplace and Venture Investments
11:05 - The State of the Staffing Industry
16:08 - No Immediate Plans for an IPO: Focus on Private Equity Sponsors
Keywords
Matt Fischer, Bullhorn, recruiting industry, AI, Textkernel, marketplace, venture investments, staffing industry
This week, Chad and Cheese discuss various topics including the DNC, immersive technology, Chick-fil-A's elevated drive-through, Shawn Fain's speech on American workers, Alex Cooper's $100 million podcast deal, and upcoming events like RecFest and fantasy football.
They also touch on Chris Bakke leaving X Hiring after one year, as well as the decline of Indeed and its questionable strategies, as well as the launch of ZipRecruiter's new podcast. The conversation then shifts to the role of AI in coding and the potential impact on developers. Finally, they touch on the controversial law in Indiana that requires age verification for viewing pornography online.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
01:41 - Real People and Relatable Moments at the DNC
06:28 - Immersive Technology
10:46 - Shawn Fain Fighs for American Workers
13:06 - Alex Cooper's $100 Million Podcast Deal
18:22 - Chris Bakke Leaves X Hiring
24:28 - Indeed's Tomfuckery
30:05 - ZipRecruiter's Launch a Podcast?
35:47 - AWS AI in Coding
44:18 - Indiana Hates Freedom
Keywords
Democratic National Convention, immersive technology, Chick-fil-A, elevated drive-through, Sean Fain, American workers, Alex Cooper, podcast deal, RecFest, fantasy football, Chris Bocchi, X, recruiting industry, Chris Russell, X hiring, Indeed, ZipRecruiter, AI, coding, pornography, age verification
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
In this snark-filled episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, Joel, Chad, and Lieven serve up their usual blend of sharp wit and sharp analysis, dissecting everything from Ukraine's military maneuvers to the UK’s job market makeover. No European stereotype is safe, and no topic is too serious (or ridiculous) for the boys to tackle.
Ukrainian Military Offensive
UK's Move Towards Degree-less Hiring
StepStone's New Ad Campaign:
Buy or Sell with:
Impact Pool, AlgoJob, and ViaCurrent.
The "Lazy" Belgian Lie
This snark-filled synopsis captures the irreverent tone of the podcast while summarizing the key points with a healthy dose of sarcasm.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
01:30 - The Conflict in Ukraine and the Offensive Against Russia
11:35 - The Changing Job Market in the UK: Rise of Degree-Less Jobs
12:22 -The Importance of Certifications in the Tech Industry
15:23 - The Impact of Brexit on Immigration and Hiring
20:05 -Skills-Based Hiring and the Shift in Recruitment
23:50 -The Value of Blue-Collar Jobs and Skilled Workers
25:17 -Buy or Sell: Impact Pool
26:45 -Investing in Niche Businesses
33:39 -AlgoJob: AI-Driven Interview Tool
38:24 -Viacurrent: Early Wage Access App
47:11 -Working Hours in Europe
Keywords
Ukraine, job market, degree-less jobs, certifications, Brexit, immigration, skills-based hiring, inclusivity, diversity, HR, recruiting, buy or sell, companies, working hours, Europeans, jokes
Jim McCoy, CEO of Atlas, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the rise of Employee of Record (EOR) platforms and the future of remote work. McCoy explains that EOR platforms help companies employ people in countries where they don't have a legal entity, supporting global mobility and recruitment. He also discusses the convergence of EOR and staffing, the challenges of safeguarding intellectual property in the gig economy, and the normalization of salaries based on cost of living. McCoy believes that the success of companies like Deel in the EOR space is beneficial for the entire industry, and he envisions an ecosystem that supports recruiters and helps them find the best candidates.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background of Jim McCoy
08:50 - Convergence of EOR and Staffing
11:45 - Supporting Recruitment and Hiring Across Borders
14:00 - Safeguarding Intellectual Property in the Gig Economy
19:54 - Normalization of Salaries Based on Cost of Living
25:22 - The Success of Companies like Deal in the EOR Space
29:48 - Building an Ecosystem to Support Recruiters
Keywords
Jim McCoy, CEO, Atlas, Employee of Record, EOR, remote work, staffing, intellectual property, gig economy, salaries, normalization, global mobility, recruitment, ecosystem
This week, the boys discuss the Olympics, layoffs at Paramount and Cisco. Plus, they analyze the financial performance and strategies of companies like Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Seek. They also touch on the challenges faced by job boards and the impact of AI on the industry. Additionally, they discuss the potential breakup of Alphabet (Google) due to antitrust concerns and the use of OnlyFans by Olympic athletes to fund their dreams.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Olympics Recap
08:21 - Leadership Decisions at Paramount and Cisco
16:15 - Starbucks Goes Off the Deep End
18:09 - Earnings Reports: ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, and Seek
19:16 - Concerns about Layoffs and Adaptation
23:12 - The Impact of AI on Jobs
24:09 - Challenges Faced by Job Boards
27:45 - Sprockets: A Poor Man's Paradox
29:11 - The State of the Recruitment Industry
37:15 - Google's Potential Breakup and Remote Work
43:00 - Olympic Athletes on OnlyFans
Keywords
Chad and Cheese, podcast, Olympics, layoffs, Paramount, Cisco, earnings reports, ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, Seek, recruitment industry, financial performance, strategies, job boards, AI, Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter, Seek, Alphabet, Google, antitrust, OnlyFans, Olympic athletes
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast Does Europe, Joel and Lieven discuss the Olympics, anti-tourism protests in Europe, and play the ultimate game of Buy or Sell with several European startups. They review and give their opinions on the startups Earlybird, doinstruct, WorkerHero, Moniti and Passionfruit. They also explore the reasons why Europeans have a dislike for tourists.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Overview
01:35 - Discussion on the Olympics
06:15 - Conversation on European Sports
08:45 - Review of Earlybird Startup
13:15 - Review of doinstruct Startup
15:46 - Review of WorkerHero Startup
20:19 - Review of Passionfruit Startup
27:09 - Discussion on Anti-Tourism Protests in Europe
30:18 - Reasons for Europeans' Dislike of Tourists
31:57 - Conclusion and Farewell
Keywords
Chad and Cheese Podcast, Europe, Olympics, anti-tourism protests, startups, Earlybird AI, doinstruct, Work Hero, PassionFruit, Moniti, Gojira, Yusuf Dikec,
Hilla Hascalovici, the founder of Period Ally, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss how her company helps companies support their menstruating employees. Period Ally offers high-quality products, pain management, menstrual leave and rest policies, training, events, and more. Julie Sowash takes over for Chad, as it's smarter to have smarts over snark on this episode. Hascalovici plans to raise money in the future and expand globally. The podcast hosts commend her for addressing an important issue and see potential for success in the market.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Welcome
03:03 -Pitching Periodally
12:03 -Bathroom Products and Preferences
15:10 - Cutting Through the Clutter
21:37 - Product Fit in a Remote Work Environment
28:03 - Pricing and Margins
32:02 - Women's Success in the Workplace
35:31 - Future Growth and Conclusion
Keywords
Hila Hascalovici, Periodally, period ally, menstruating employees, high-quality products, pain management, menstrual leave, rest policies, training, events, productivity, raising money, global expansion
In this episode, the boys deliver snarky takes on current events in tech and recruitment. They discuss the appeal of a down-to-earth political figure, shout out Snoop Dogg for boosting Olympic viewership, and promote their presence at Recfest in Nashville.
Theget ready for a critique of Intel's leadership amid layoffs, Tinder's failed live streaming, and question the hype around AI investments, particularly startups like Tezi and Ema. They also highlight ZipRecruiter's acquisition of Breakroom as a smart move, while expressing doubts about Skillfully's future in AI-powered hiring. It's time for sharp industry insights with a punch humor and punch.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Reflections on the US Presidential Election
03:09 - The Olympics: Sportsmanship and Inspiration
06:00 -Layoffs at Major Companies: Leadership and Accountability
09:18 - Shout-outs: Snoop Dogg, Dolce & Gabbana, and Keeyora
10:56 -Upcoming Events: Recfest and Fantasy Football
21:14 -Layoffs, Funding, and Acquisitions in the HR and Recruiting Industry
28:41 -The Importance of Differentiation in the HR and Recruiting Industry
35:02 - Buy or Sell: Reviewing Recent Funding Rounds
45:54 - The Challenges Faced by the Restaurant Industry
Keywords
US presidential election, Olympics, layoffs, Snoop Dogg, Dolce & Gabbana, Kiora, politics, sports, fashion, technology, HR, recruiting, layoffs, funding, AI, HR tech, acquisitions, restaurant industry
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Recorded live from RecFest, this special episode of Chad and Cheese features Lord Wei, a member of the Science and Tech Committee in the House of Lords. It's not every day you hear from a political figure on the show! They dive into topics like AI regulation, workforce automation, and tech's role in recruitment. Don't miss it—follow Chad and Cheese for more unique insights.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
0:55 Transition from Tech into Recruitment
2:30 Lord Wei’s Short Bio
3:23 Predicting the Era of AI
5:14 AI is a Superhuman in Recruitment
6:29 AI is about Skills
7:52 AI Discovers Talent
9:51 Flexibility is Key
13:45 Taking Advantage over Government
15:23 Redeploying People into New Jobs
18:33 AI Makes Hiring Fair
19:59 Talent Is What Counts
23:06 Gen Z
24:38 Bringing Migrants into the Workforce
26:05 Integration into Hybrid Future
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Surprised to hear her say 4yo ago she didn't think IG would be a place to find candidates. Candidates are people. Go where the people are. 🤷🏽♀️
good insights... as video interviewing has emerged and grown in usage, the questions around discrimination and biases have been swirling from many an HR/Recruiting pro.
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