The Edtech Podcast

In our second episode on AI in UK schools, Professor Rose Luckin explores AI integration further with three very special guests helping to lead the way with AI in their institutions. Talking points and questions may include: What is the extent of AI penetration in your schools, including teacher usage, classes avoiding it, student use, and any strategies or evaluation plans in place regarding reactive or proactive AI adoption? No AI is risk-free, so concerns around impacts on learning, creativity, authorship, assessment, and whether students genuinely understand AI-generated content are critical issues Safeguarding measures must address the risks of AI providing misleading, biased, or explicit content without consent as these technologies proliferate in classrooms Comprehensive AI training is needed for educators at all levels to ensure smooth technology transitions while maintaining human-centric learning approaches as new tools and understanding are required Guests: Adam Webster, Deputy Head (Innovation), Caterham School & CEO of Sphinx AI Scott Hayden, Head of Teaching, Learning, and Digital, Basingstoke College of Technology Chris Goodall, Head of Digital Education, Bourne Education Trust

In today's rapidly evolving educational landscape, Artificial Intelligence is emerging as a transformative force, offering both opportunities and challenges. As AI technologies continue to advance, it's crucial to examine their impact on student expectations, learning experiences, and institutional strategies. One pressing question is: what do students truly want from AI in education? Are they reflecting on the value of their assessments and assignments when AI tools can potentially complete them? This begs the deeper question of what we mean by student success in higher education and the purpose of knowledge in an AI-driven economy.  Professor Rose Luckin is joined by three wonderful guests in the studio to discuss what tools we need to support students and how we explore the potential and the limitations of AI for education. Guests: Michael Larsen, CEO & Managing Director, Studiosity Sally Wheeler, Professor, Vice-Chancellor, Birkbeck, University of London Ant Bagshaw, Executive Director, Australian Technology Network of Universities Talking points and questions include: Student expectations and perspectives on using AI for assessments/assignments and the role of knowledge in an AI economy The potential of AI to enhance learning through features like instant feedback, error correction, personalized support, learning analytics How AI could facilitate peer support systems and student community, and the research on the value of this The lack of robust digital/AI strategies at many institutions as a barrier to effective AI adoption The evidence-base for AI in education - challenges with research being highly specific/contextual, debating the value of in-house research vs general studies Whether evidence on efficacy truly drives institutions' buying decisions for AI tools or if other factors/institutional challenges are stronger influences How challenges facing the education sector can inhibit capacity for innovative deployments like AI The growing need for proven, supportive AI tools for students despite institutional constraints  

Episode Summary Most people believe they know how to use AI—but are they simply treating ChatGPT like a replacement for Google? In this episode of The EdTech Podcast, Philippa Wraithmell speaks with Joshua, Co-founder and CEO of Mindstone, about what genuine AI competency looks like and why successful AI transformation depends far more on people, behaviour and organisational culture than technology. Joshua shares his journey from launching his first company as a teenager to co-founding SuperAwesome, the child-safety technology company later acquired by Epic Games. He explains how this experience shaped his thinking about digital safeguarding, parental responsibility and the need to help children engage with technology gradually, rather than attempting to protect them through blanket bans. The conversation explores why simply inserting AI into existing tasks rarely delivers meaningful value. Joshua argues that the real opportunity lies in changing how we approach work: asking AI to question us, challenge our assumptions, identify blind spots and support our thinking rather than outsourcing it. They also examine the widening AI skills divide. As experienced users build years of personal context, workflows and AI agents, those who delay may find themselves increasingly disadvantaged. This has major implications for workplaces, schools and universities—particularly when many institutions still respond to AI through prohibition rather than education. From leadership and workforce transformation to safeguarding, sustainability misconceptions and the future of employment, this episode asks an important question: are we preparing people to use AI well, or simply giving them access to the tools?  Key Topics What genuine AI competency looks like Why most people are using generative AI incorrectly Using AI to enhance rather than replace human thinking Why AI transformation is a people and behaviour-change challenge The responsibility of senior leaders during AI adoption The growing inequality between experienced and inexperienced AI users Why banning AI in schools can encourage secretive and inappropriate use Building safer, age-appropriate pathways into AI and social media The role of parents, governments and technology companies in safeguarding Misconceptions surrounding AI's environmental impact How AI agents are changing productivity and cognitive workload Preparing people for disruption across employment and education Chapters 00:00 – Welcome and Introduction to Joshua Joshua introduces Mindstone and its work helping non-technical teams use generative AI more effectively. 01:04 – Building a Business at Sixteen From creating websites for family connections to managing a team of students building technology for private banks. 02:08 – Early Start-up Lessons Joshua reflects on a failed start-up, turning down investment and the lessons that led to his next venture. 03:17 – Building SuperAwesome and Protecting Children Online How SuperAwesome developed advertising, privacy and verified parental-consent technology for global children's brands. 04:47 – Safeguarding, Regulation and Parental Responsibility Why Joshua believes governments must avoid removing parental agency when introducing online-safety regulation. 06:46 – Education, Curiosity and Challenging Authority Joshua discusses his school experiences, constant questioning and learning across six different school models. 10:04 – Why Joshua Founded Mindstone The transition from Epic Games into education, learning science and the future of workforce skills. 13:07 – When Skills Expire Before Degrees Are Completed Why the declining half-life of workplace skills raises fundamental questions about traditional education. 14:04 – ChatGPT Changes the Direction of Mindstone How generative AI transformed both the learning process and the skills likely to matter in the future. 15:28 – Why Most People Do Not Know How to Use AI Joshua explains why frequent ChatGPT use does not necessarily equal AI competency. 17:24 – ChatGPT Is Not a Search Engine Why treating AI as a Google replacement represents one of its least valuable applications. 18:17 – AI, Water and Energy Misconceptions A discussion about environmental claims, data centres and the importance of understanding evidence and scale. 20:45 – Stop Asking AI for Answers Joshua shares a simple technique: ask AI to question you, uncover blind spots and strengthen your thinking. 22:09 – Treating AI as a Conversation Why users should refine, challenge and continue the interaction rather than abandoning AI after one poor response. 24:10 – AI as a Digital Chief of Staff How accumulated context allows AI to understand preferences, decisions and working patterns more effectively. 25:04 – The Emerging AI Inequality Gap Why users who have spent years building AI systems and context may gain a compounding advantage. 26:54 – Why School AI Bans Are Failing How prohibition can drive AI use underground and encourage learners to outsource rather than demonstrate their thinking. 27:23 – Making AI the Baseline for Learning Why students should be expected to show how they improved upon AI-generated work rather than pretend the technology does not exist. 30:47 – AI Transformation Begins with Leadership Why executive teams must understand and use AI before asking the rest of an organisation to change. 33:11 – AI Is a People Problem The case for moving AI transformation from the chief technology officer to the chief people officer. 33:40 – Why Online Training Alone Does Not Change Behaviour How live demonstrations, personalised learning and practical workplace applications support meaningful adoption. 36:19 – Champions, Laggards and Organisational Change The role of internal champions, visible success stories and sustained momentum. 38:05 – Reclaiming Time for Meaningful Work How AI can reduce administrative burden and allow people to focus on the work they value most. 39:12 – The Safeguarding Knife Edge Joshua considers how children can gradually gain independence while parents retain appropriate visibility and support. 42:38 – The Problem with Digital Cliffs Why completely restricting children until a set age may leave them unprepared for the realities of online life. 44:38 – Technology Cannot Replace Parenting Lessons from SuperAwesome about parental consent, responsibility and the limitations of technical safeguards. 47:44 – Jobs, Robotics and the Next Decade Joshua shares an optimistic but honest view of significant employment disruption and rapid technological progress. 49:15 – AI Agents and 'Brain Fry' Why delegating routine work to AI can leave humans completing only the most cognitively demanding tasks. 50:48 – Becoming More Human in an AI World The opportunity to rethink work, protect time and make greater space for creativity, relationships and life beyond productivity. 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Todays Episode In this episode of The EdTech Podcast, Philippa is joined by Harri Davies, UK Head of Growth at Imovem, to explore how careers guidance needs to evolve for a generation growing up in the fourth industrial revolution. Harri shares Imovem's mission to support young people, including those not in education, employment or training, by helping them build confidence, understand their strengths, and see a wider range of future possibilities. The conversation explores how too many students are still placed into narrow boxes — academic or practical, university or apprenticeship, traditional career or alternative path — and why this no longer reflects the reality of today's changing world of work. Together, Philippa and Harri discuss the role of AI in helping young people map their interests, passions, personality and learning preferences to future career pathways. Harri explains how Imovem's careers copilot uses personalised insights, live labour market data, and access to thousands of potential roles to help students connect what they are studying now with the lives and careers they may want to build. The episode also looks at the pressures facing teachers, careers leads and parents as they try to support young people through an increasingly complex landscape of apprenticeships, university routes, emerging industries, portfolio careers and AI-driven change. Harri highlights the importance of making careers information more accessible, engaging and practical, while giving teachers richer insight to support meaningful one-to-one conversations. This is a timely conversation about aspiration, agency, social impact and future skills. It asks how education can move beyond outdated assumptions about success and instead help every young person explore who they are, what they care about, and where they might thrive. About the Guest   Harri is a fractional education leader with experience spanning social mobility, EdTech and upskilling young people.   A former lawyer, in his role as UK Head of Growth at imovum, he works with schools to navigate increasingly complex career pathways. His work explores how psychology and emerging technology can help pupils feel confident about their future.   Head of Growth for imovum: an AI co-pilot for students aged 13-18, used by 100,000 pupils across the UK, Middle East and India Worked with young people for 8 years: building their confidence and coaching/mentoring them to secure best in class graduate/junior city careers Guest Lecturer at Oxford International Education Group - simplified neuroscience for 15-17 year olds paired with AI co-pilot demonstration Keynote speaker and panellist at legal industry events sponsored by Clifford Chance, A&O Shearman NED at University of Bristol, launching the future of work series 'Building a Company of 1' to help students with post graduate prospects as portfolio workers Find them at imovum LinkedIn imovum Instagram Harri LinkedIn Harri Instagram