The Third Way

In this episode, Jess is joined by Nova Reid as they unpack the question of healing and what that might mean in this moment of polycrisis. Nova Reid is a thought leader, TED speaker, writer and producer. Often described as a force to be reckoned with, Nova uses her background in mental wellbeing to encourage meaningful change from the inside out. Through her impactful advocacy and powerful public speaking, writing and storytelling, she has become renowned as an agent of change, selected as one of Black Magic Network’s Top 100 Black British Women and receiving a Precious Award for Social Impact. Nova’s sought-after online academy - Becoming Anti-Racist with Nova Reid - and best selling debut book, The Good Ally , have consistently been described as life-changing.Connect with Nova:IG - @novareidWebsite - www.novareid.comBuy ‘The Good Ally’ here Connect with us:@thethirdwaypodcast@jessmallySign up to our Open Forums:Healthy Humans For Social Change Open Forum Sign Up Form Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to a brand new season of Healthy Humans for Social Change!In this kickoff episode, host and founder Jess Mally (they/she) is interviewed by Emma Slade Edmondson.This engaging conversation sets the stage for an exciting season ahead.Emma skillfully guides Jess through a candid discussion about their hopes for the upcoming season, the challenges they face in the work of social change, and their ongoing efforts to break free from white supremacy culture.From the raw honesty in this episode to the inspiring guests lined up for the season, we invite you to engage deeply with these conversations.Join us not just by listening but by participating in our Open Forums and connecting with us on social media.ABOUT EMMA:Emma Slade Edmondson is a sustainability consultant, writer, ethical fashion advocate and presenter, who currently splits her time between London and Paris. Writing on sustainability, fashion and Race and Identity for publications like Marie Claire, Grazia and Eco Age. In 2020 she launched her award-winning podcast Mixed Up; An exploration of Race and Identity through the lens of the Mixed Race experience. Her first book The Half Of It is written with friend and co presenter Nicole Orcan, and is an exploration of race and identity through the lens of the mixed race experience is published by HarperCollins.Emma is a thought leader working across all elements of fashion retail, sustainability, race, marketing and branding.OTHER HELPFUL LINKS:The Half Of It by Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole OcranWe Will Not Cancel Us - adrienne maree brownHealthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link Follow and engage with Emma's work:Emma's InstagramThe Mixed Up Podcast​​Find us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Jess is joined by their friend, chosen family and comrade Jo Becker. Jo and Jess met at a Civil Resistance training course a few years back and have been in each others lives since. Jo (they/she) is currently doing their PhD in the field of autonomous spaces, prefigurative politics and degrowth. This is grounded in political organising bringing anti-hierarchical, abolitionist and climate justice perspectives/praxis together.They can be reached as @treesnpeace on Instagram or @josephinebeckr on twitter - they use both platforms to chat politics, usually in form of anger and rage at what is happening in the world.In this episode they cover so much ground - from imagining different economies and worlds, to the importance of true solidarity, to their different thoughts on how to call people into the work of social change and their shared passion and belief that things don’t have to be this way.Sources mentioned in the episode:Bell Hooks - The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and LoveSome orgs that run book clubs:Abolitionist FuturesEveryday Racism BookclubNetpol copwatch and anti-raids groups/trainingJess Antiracism course - https://www.jessmally.com/eventsFind a Soup Kitchen in LondonHealthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link Follow and engage with Jo’s work:InstagramTwitter​​Find us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Jess is joined by the author, broadcaster and social advocate Yassmin Abdel-Magied. They both happened to be in NYC for various reasons and decided to get together to record this long awaited episode. They cover so much - from Yassmin's advocacy and organising work, her writing, the role her faith plays in her work and the balance between organising offline and online. They talk about healthy as a groundedness and rootedness, about holding opinions lightly and the importance of being willing to change and so much more. They also touched on Yassmin's advocacy work for Sudan - links to learn more and get involved in amplifying Sudanese voices below!Sudan:eyesonsudan.netConnect with Yassmin:WebsiteIGTikTokYassmin's BooksYassmin's Substack piece Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TW: Racism, suicidal ideationIn this episode, Jess Mally interviews Andre Henry, bestselling author, award-winning musician, and activist based in Los Angeles. Jess and Andre cover so much ground in this conversation - from Andre’s journey into activism, including their awakening to systemic racism, their studies and exploration of armed struggle vs nonviolent resistance as a strategy, what healthy means to them and how our movement spaces desperately need to centre care, community and relationships to sow a better future into the soil of today.Andre shares vulnerably and openly about their own journey with depression, the way out and how that journey taught them - among other things - how the body is a key strategic battleground in the work of liberation. It’s an incredible conversation, but it ain't short ;) so grab a cuppa or listen in two parts - we promise it’s worth it!Books and Resources mentioned:All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep - Andre HenryBook of Five Rings by Miyamoto MusashiThe Greater Good Science CenterConnect with Andre:Join Andre’s newsletter via the website IG @theandrehenryAndre’s podcast - Hope and Hardpills Podcast Register for An Introduction to Anti-racism:www.jessmally.com/eventsJess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Jess is joined by Ani Zonneveld, founder and President of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV), an international human rights organization that advocates for social justice and equality for all. In this conversation, Ani shares about her journey from being a Grammy Award winning singer-songwriter to founding MPV, her thoughts on the intersection of faith and social justice and why she has committed to framing all her work from compassion and love.Connect with Ani:Ani's personal website (including links to her music)MPV WebsiteFacebookX: @AniZonneveldIG: @AniZonneveldMuslims For Progressive ValuesAni's Op Ed mentioned in the conversationPurple Check Mark Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Jess is joined by Suhaiymah Manzoor-Khan, a poet and writer whose work disrupts assumptions about history, race, violence and knowledge.From interrogating our intentions, to moving past feeling unable to move and act at all, they explore the role of a divine gaze in our social change work. Suhaiymah shares beautifully about her faith and how it impacts her work, about her work with the Nejma collective and so much more. Finally, they land on the idea that we are all here for a reason, all have our part to play and can start wherever we are right now.Names referenced - learn more:Talal AssadRumiSaba Mahmoud www.suhaiymah.comIG - @thebrownhijabi X - @thebrownhijabi Connect with and support the Nejma Collective:IG - @NejmaCollectiveX - @NejmaCollectiveWebsiteRegister for An Introduction to Anti-racism:www.jessmally.com/eventsThe Yikes Pod EpFollow these journalists who are reporting straight from Gaza:Motaz AzaizaBisanPlestia AlaqadResources to learn more about what’s happening in Palestine:Daniel B Mate IG Live (it’s long but I highly recommend it)Palestine Academy Resources to make your voices heard for the people of Gaza:Email your MP with this templatePalestinian Youth Movement (find out about rallies)Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Jess is joined by the powerhouse sisters and Anti-Racism educators Naomi and Natalie. From the beginnings of their platform @everydayracism_ , the UK’s largest anti-racism platform on social media, to what racism actually means and what anti-racism requires of us in practice.Naomi and Natalie expand on how their understanding of anti-racism requires an analysis of capitalism, coalition building across lived experiences an intersectional approach and actively imagining a different world. Connect with Naomi and Natalie:Everyday Racism websiteEveryday Racism Instagram Natalie Evans InstagramNaomi Natasha Evans Instagram Everyday Racism threads accountSign the petition:Sign the racial literacy training petition Sign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay MowatOther links:Parable of the Sower - Octavia ButlerWhy I No Longer Talking to White People About Race - Reni Eddo-LodgeThe body is not an apology - Sonya Renee TaylorAn Introduction to Anti-racism Course by Jess Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Blair and Jess explore what Pokémon can teach us about Social Change and our place in it. Seriously ;)We can't put more in the show notes because we have so many links and references to share with you (see below) - suffice to say this episode is brilliant and a must listen! As always, like, share and subscribe and leave us some good reviews!Blair's socials:Blair Imani's instagramBlair Imani's thread handle Sign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay MowatReferences and links:Susanna Barkataki - Embrace Yogas RootsAngela Davis quote Ableism smarter in seconds Who is Octavia Butler Screen actors guild strike info  Mikaela Loach's book Andre Henry's bookAndre Henry website  Gil Scott HeronFred Hampton Rainbow coalition  Dapper Dan website Noor Tagouri I see you foundationWhy the Willow Project is a bad ideaWhy the BMI is racist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TW: miscarriage/domestic violenceIn this episode, Jess is joined by the honest multidisciplinary powerhouse Sereena Abbassi. From sharing about her personal journey - her complex childhood and journey to becoming a mother - to the difficult yet important process of healing, overcoming pain and acceptance. Jess and Sereena also discuss their political home, challenges they find there and how self-righteousness and binary thinking won't get us the solutions we so badly crave. Finally, Serenna gives us an insight into the local democratic system in Bristol, the power of community and the link between spirituality and social change.Sereena's socials:Sereena's TwitterSereena's LinkedInLinks to topics discussed in the show: Black women maternal death ratesRichard Rohr's adapted quoteHow democracies die Remake organisation Explanation of overton windowThe Bristol Cable  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this transparent episode, Jess swaps the interviewer role and is now in the hot seat! Jess is interviewed by her interdisciplinary talented friend Ronaé Fagon. During the episode, we get to hear Jess’ journey into the social movement sphere and the true intentions behind the podcast. Later on in the conversation, both discuss the importance of bringing integrity and self-awareness to our actions. Finally, Jess and Ronae end on a note of how it’s integral to hold uncomfortable conversations in our interpersonal relationships to move towards a healthier collective. References for the episode:Dr Christina Cleveland  God is a black womanEmma Dabiri - What White People Can Do NextJess Mally's anti-racism course adrienne maree brown  Jessica Dickson - IG post on white people having to do embodiment work to dismantle whiteness from their nervous systemsFollow The Third Way Podcast on instagram and twitter Other social media links:Ronaé's TwitterRonaé's Instagram Jess' Instagram Jess Twitter Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this honest and transparent episode, Jess is joined by powerhouse and climate justice activist Mikaela Loach.Mikaela is a climate justice activist, bestselling author of It’s Not That Radical: Climate Action to Transform Our World (April 2023), co-host of The YIKES Podcast, writer and 4th year medical student based in the United Kingdom. In 2020, Forbes, Global Citizen and BBC Woman's Hour named Mikaela as one of the most influential women in the UK climate movement. In 2021, she was one of three claimants on the "Paid To Pollute" case who took the UK government to court over the huge public payments they give to fossil fuel companies every year. Her work focuses on the intersections of the climate crisis with oppressive systems and making the climate movement a more accessible space.In this episode Jess and Mikaela explore what climate justice actually means, how it seeks to tackle the root causes of the climate crisis, how we are all needed and have something to bring to the work and what role our own honesty and vulnerability plays on the journey,Mikaela defines what healthy looks to her, the importance of choosing honesty over scarcity and “not pretending to know it all”!Links:Climate Strike, Mikaela Loach on Capitalism, Colonialism & Imperialism Fuel Climate CrisisDo better - Spiritual Activism for Fighting and Healing from White Supremacy - Rachel RickettsClimate activist groups in your area:https://groups.friendsoftheearth.uk/near-you/local-authorityhttps://netpol.org/2022/04/06/find-your-local-copwatch-group/Mikaela on Social Media:Instagram: @mikaelaloachTwitter: @mikaelaloach Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

T/W: mentions of suicide/crisis/illnessIn this episode, Jess is joined by Nora Logan, in discussing her passion for disability justice including her raw and personal story about why she is passionate about health and wellness.Nora is a writer, meditation teacher and the host of the podcast So, Life Wants You Dead, produced in collaboration with Soho House after winning their 'Soho Chance' competition in 2021. In this conversation Nora shares her journey of going through a liver transplant and the recovery process in the face of an ableist and capitalist society. Nora and Jess explore that healthy is a practice more than a state of being, that it is intrinsically complicated in the world we live in and that everything - as always - is interconnected. Links to Nora's Work: Nora’s Podcast - So Life Wants You Dead Nora’s instagram - @noranala Nora’s website and sign up for her newsletter Practices Nora recommendsOther things referenced:Jess antiracism courseDisability and climate changehttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/10/disabled-people-systematically-ignored-climate-crisis-studyhttps://healthpolicy-watch.news/climate-change-twofold-blow-for-disabled/Floods that hit the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/07/met-office-issues-thunderstorm-warning-for-parts-of-ukThe Third Way and Jess:Sign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyFind us on Twitter:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TW/CW: this episode contains mentions of death and dying In this first episode of the #HealthyHumansForSocialChange series, Jess is joined by Father Jarel Robinson-Brown, author of “Black Gay British Christian Queer". He joins Jess for an open, raw conversation about what it means to be a healthy human in this world.From embracing death to church abolition, the end of the world and more, they cover a broad array of subjects, ultimately leaving us with thoughts on what being a healthy human might mean.References from the conversation:Jarel's Book Jess' manifesting IG postTop 5 regrets of the dyingDr. Christena ClevelandHow To Survive The End of The World PodcastSign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyFind us on Twitter:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the first season and intro episode of Healthy Humans for Social Change.In this intro episode, Jess outlines her intentions for the podcast and discusses the plans for the upcoming season.Join her and her guests each month as they outline their dreams for a healthier and more inclusive world. Read 'What Does Your Heart Dream Of'Sign up to Jess' Patreon hereFind us on IG:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyFind us on Twitter:The Third Way PodcastJess MallyMusic and production by Finlay Mowat Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Jess is joined by three wonderful Black women to unpack the topic that is COLOURISM.Colourism is a phenomenon that shows up in the Black community and other communities of colour across the world. It is also very present in media across all forms and understanding and dismantling Colourism is crucial for true social change and authentic diversity.It is not a new phenomenon by any stretch of the imagination and it has - over centuries of white supremacy across the globe - become yet another tool of oppression.Recent events have caused Jess and Cephas to change the regularly scheduled program and dedicate this episode to this conversation.As always, we don’t claim to have all the answers, but we found it important to center the voices of darker skinned women in this conversation and I (hi Jess here ;)) have learnt SO much from listening to their experiences.I hope you will too.Please follow our guests and their work on social media.You can find Aisha on IG:@disneydiariesofablackgirl@theehoshen (her jewellery business)Feven runs an amazing candle business, you can find her on IG:@soyandjoyukYou can find our podcast via the handles below and Jess and Cephas are there too.@thethirdwaypodcast (IG) @thethirdwaypod (twitter)@jessmally @cephasazariahWe also suggested you do some further reading, here the books we mentioned:Do Better - Spiritual Activism for fighting and healing from White Supremacy by Rachel RickettsThe Color Complex: The Politics of Skin Color in a New Millennium Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Cephas and Jess are joined by singer, songwriter and budding theologian Rocky NT.They discuss the nature of making mistakes, what there is no growth without them and their thoughts on cancel culture.Go follow Rocky to stay up to date with his work on instagram @rockyntiAs always, share the episode if you like it, send us a review, subscribe and chat to us on twitter and IG.Reference Links:Chadwick Boseman Howard speech link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIHZypMyQ2s Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

SEASON 2 - We’re back! In this introductory episode, Cephas and Jess catch up about the last few months where they’ve been and why they’ve taken a break from recording the podcast.From personal bereavement to dealing with the ongoing lockdown to political madness all over the world, they touch on some of the things that have moved them.One of those is the COVID-19 vaccine.Whilst everyone must of course make their own decisions to that end, we wanted to share some resources you might choose to engage with to get some more info about the vaccine and answer some of your concerns.We will share links on here shortly so please come check back in.Thank you for listening as always and don’t forget to subscribe and follow The Third Way Podcast across all social media platforms 🙏🏽SamaritansConfidential support for people experiencing feelings of distress or despair.Phone: 116 123 (free 24-hour helpline)jo@samaritans.org.ukWebsite: www.samaritans.org.ukSHOUTFor support in a crisis, Text Shout to 85258.If you’re experiencing a personal crisis, are unable to cope and need support.Shout can help with urgent issues such as:•Suicidal thoughts•Abuse or assault•Self-harm•Bullying•Relationship challenges Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We are beyond excited to share this exclusive conversation with you!
Young King - A poem, gone song, gone film, was released last week and we got the crew together to find out more.Written by our co-host Jess Mally, Music produced by MckNast and film directed by Edem Wornoo, the piece is a manifesto of a new narrative..In our conversation Jess, Josh and Edem shared about their experience with the piece, what it means to them and why they invested time, money and energy into birthing it and bringing it to the world..It’s an emotional, raw and authentic conversation and we know it will move you..Please follow Jess (@jessmally), Josh (@mcknasty_official) and Edem ( @_edemm) for more of their work and stay tuned for the @fireballsessions EP dropping soon!LINK TO TRACK AND FILM:https://orcd.co/mcknasty_presents_fbs-young_king_feat_jess_mal Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We are so excited to share this episode of our #BlackExcellence series with you.Chloe Pierre @chloepierreldn is the founder of @thy.self and @thy.selfmen - a community actualising self-care & diversity within wellness. Chloe and thy.self were recently featured on @forbes and featured in @vogue - this Black queen is killing the game and we’re so grateful we got to chat with her about life, wellness, and taking spaces that weren’t made for us by storm. #BlackExcellence ABOUT thy.self and Chloe PierreThrough carefully curated events, workshops and talks, thy.self is broadening access to wellness to communities who were previously unable, unaware and underrepresented within the wellness industry as well as creating a safe space to open conversations around women’s issues for overall wellbeing and prioritising diversity within the industry. thy.self is a community based in London with a links, reach and ties across the UK and we're growing internationally very quickly! We are focused on re-discovering and bringing a new meaning to self-care and self-love, whilst tackling challenging issues, through our thy.self events and making wellness accessible to diverse communities through our outreach and everything we do. What we essentially offer, is a safe space in regular thy.self events for women ages 16-65+ yrs (and men!), to discuss self-care and self-love, connect with other like-minded individuals and to empower themselves in the hopes of making a more positive future for our societies. With a dedicated focus on consulting brands on their social and cultural responsibility, Chloe prioritises full service account management alongside thy.self commitments, by remaining client facing, building relationships, community, communication, content to drive consumer engagement and brand loyalty to build/ protect brands influence whilst linking them with communities and individuals on the ground. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.