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30 Minutes to President's Club | No-Nonsense Sales

Author: Armand Farrokh & Nick Cegelski

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The #1 sales podcast in the world, fueled by hyper-actionable sales tactics from the top 1% sellers at companies like Salesforce, Gong, Outreach, Slack, LinkedIn, Keller Williams, Northwestern Mutual.


30 Minutes to President's Club cuts all the BS, fluffy mindset stories, and sales academia to give you the most actionable sales tactics that get you to President's Club. Every episode is a supercharged 30 minutes where you'll hear step-by-step breakdowns in every key dimension of sales, including:


  • Prospecting: How to open conversations to triple your pipeline

  • Discovery: How to ask questions that uncover massive pain

  • Process: How to get big contracts over the line

  • Leadership: How to hire and train world class teams.


Your founding hosts are Nick Cegelski (3x top enterprise seller) and Armand Farrokh (VP of Sales at 29, ex-Pave, ex-Carta) joined by co-host Mark Kosoglow (CRO @ Catalyst, ex-Outreach). 


Whether you're seller listening to the (SELL) show or leader tuning into the (LEAD) show…


Get ready, you're going to President's Club.

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ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Ban Product-Specific Language: Prohibit product-focused terms like "roles-based access" in deal reviews. Instead, prompt reps to explore the customer’s "why" behind their needs, driving better customer questioning and understanding. Tie Incentives to Certifications: Require reps to complete critical certifications (e.g., discovery certification) to access desirable benefits, such as inbound leads, ensuring alignment between AE and leadership goals. Consistency in Value Framework: Maintain your value selling framework across every sales stage—from discovery to demo to proposal—ensuring consistent messaging and alignment throughout the cycle. Embed Framework into Processes: Update all sales processes, stages, and deal reviews to reflect new frameworks. Regularly reinforce these changes in weekly reviews to ensure training sticks and drives lasting behavior changes. ELEANOR'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Head of Sales @ Retool Global Head of Commercial Retention & Regional Director of Commercial Sales @ Segment Global Head of Commercial Renewals and Retention @ Segment Head of Customer Success and Solutions engineering @ Clever Inc RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
Nick and Armand break down the perfect 5 stage sales process to get your deals closed fast.  Stage 1 Problem Agreement: Ensure both parties align on the problem being solved before moving forward. Stage 2 Solution Agreement: Confirm the solution addresses the agreed problem effectively. Stage 3 Power Agreement: Secure buy-in from decision-makers and key stakeholders. Stage 4 Commercial Agreement: Reach consensus on pricing, terms, and conditions. Stage 5 Vendor Approval: Navigate internal processes to finalize and approve the deal. Map these stages to your sales cycle, define clear exit criteria for each, and identify opportunities to combine calls or stages to accelerate deal velocity. RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: In rip-and-replace deals, start by asking why the existing solution was chosen to understand the problems and motivations behind it. Late in the deal, confirm with your champion if you’re their top choice. Use their guidance to strengthen your position against competitors. When prospects compare you to competitors, suggest specific aspects to evaluate that highlight your strengths and expose competitors' weaknesses. In rip-and-replace deals, emphasize key product gaps that significantly impact the business, and ensure decision-makers are committed to addressing them. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB" Founder & CEO @ Outbound Squad Owner @ Jason Bay Consulting Director of Marketing @ Chamber DS, Inc. Marketing Director & Corporate Sales Trainer @ National Services Group, Inc. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Name Badge Optimization: Design name badges with legible names and role-based color coding. Bonus: add a fun fact to encourage interaction and make glancing at the badge feel natural. Post-SKO Follow-Up Plan: SKO momentum fades quickly. Implement a follow-up plan within days to sustain energy and carry it into the sales year. Session Energy Management: Use high-energy sessions earlier when attention is stronger. Save interactive or fun activities for post-lunch when engagement dips. Pre-Vet Presenters: Plan sessions a month in advance and require presenters to rehearse. Avoid costly, unpolished presentations that waste valuable sales time. JD'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Chief Revenue Officer @ Kantata Chief Revenue Officer @ Motus Managing Director @ Bravo Solution Vice President, Americas @ Workplace Systems RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Get Permission to Reframe: Before turning a perceived weakness into a strength, ask for permission to tell the story. This keeps the approach authentic and avoids sounding overly salesy. Anchor High for Multithreading: When requesting additional stakeholders, ask for more than you need. If they say no to six but yes to two, you've still gained ground. Reframe Intentional Limitations: When faced with an objection or missing feature, consider if it’s intentional by design. Reframe it as a benefit aligned with the prospect’s goals. Prep for Large Meetings: Divide the room strategically. Prep with your champion, pre-call each stakeholder, then personalize questions in the meeting to tailor the conversation. DAVID'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Senior Account Executive MM @ LinkedIn Account Executive SMB @ LinkedIn Sales Development Representative @ LinkedIn Creator Manager @ LinkedIn RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Club Pass
Join John's Newsletter FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Executive time crunch: If an exec only has five minutes instead of 30, ask, "What’s the one thing you need to hear to earn another meeting with your full attention?" Focus on that. Lead with a hypothesis: Instead of asking generic discovery questions, start with a hypothesis about their priorities based on research, showing you did your homework. Decision criteria: Prospects may focus on the wrong decision factors. Share a list of common criteria and ask them to rank their priorities to guide the discussion. Demo as you go: Don't save all product demos for the end. Show small pieces of the product during the conversation, interspersing discovery throughout. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: SPFs for Short-Term Change: Use SPFs to drive short-term behavior changes. Long-term shifts should align with consistent metrics in your "iron square" framework. Strict Holdover Rules: Allow one quarter for closing open opportunities after a territory change if they’re past stage two. No exceptions ensure fairness and consistency. The Iron Square: Track rep productivity with win rate, AE-sourced pipeline, total pipeline generation, and forecast accuracy, with quota attainment as the central North Star. Customer-First Processes: Avoid letting internal rules disrupt customer experience. Build buffer zones in ROEs and territories to minimize deal handoffs. ELEANOR'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Head of Sales @ Retool Global Head of Commercial Retention & Regional Director of Commercial Sales @ Segment Global Head of Commercial Renewals and Retention @ Segment Head of Customer Success and Solutions engineering @ Clever Inc RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
The cold calling course is here! (20% off with 20-OFF-YR1 before 01/10): https://clubpass.30mpc.com/cold-calls-to-presidents-club Actionable Takeaways The biggest mistake in The Problem Proposition: going through the motions instead of joining the pain. Join the ridiculousness of the triggering problem. Almost brush over your one-sentence solution. Shrug your shoulders during the interest-based CTA.
The cold calling course is here! (20% off with 20-OFF-YR1 before 01/10): https://clubpass.30mpc.com/cold-calls-to-presidents-club Actionable Takeaways No Value Propositions. Buzzwords make you sound like a telemarketer, and benefits fall flat without the context of a problem. Triggering Problem. Instead, lead with a problem so specific that it triggers your prospect and reminds them of a painful memory. One-Sentence Solution. If you get the problem right, all you need is one sentence to explain your solution (we do X so that the problem goes away). Interest-Based CTA. Validate their interest before you ask for the meeting, using softening language, no-based questions, and mini push-aways.
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Set Multiple Agendas: Before showing a high-level demo, re-establish the agenda. Explain what you'll show, present it, then recap by tying it back to the meeting's outcome. Dangle the Carrot: Identify one problem to address in your demo, then ask for two or three more use cases. Use curiosity to uncover additional discovery points before diving into the demo. Anchor to an Outcome: Start the call by setting a clear decision-oriented goal, such as determining if further evaluation is worth their time. Be Blunt About Goals: In rip-and-replace scenarios, state the stakes directly, like weighing the pain of switching versus the potential benefits. This disarming honesty builds trust. MARK'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Commercial Sales Manager @ Procore Sales Manager, Emerging @ Procore Enterprise Account Executive @ Procore Senior Account Executive, Mid-Market @ Procore RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Michelle Cecil Episode
RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Club Pass (Course & Community) Johnny Larson (New Club Member) Johnny's Past Episodes: Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 3 Q1 Tactic Teardowns (Sales Nav, Pitch Script)
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS: Simplify Dashboards: Skip filters and create pre-built reports for dashboards. It saves time and provides clearer insights without extra clicks. Trim CRM Fields: Remove unused CRM fields. If you’re not reporting on them or they’re filled with junk data, they’re just slowing you down. Analyze Mature Pipeline: For accurate win rates, focus on qualified deals created in earlier quarters. Allow time for deals to mature before assessing. Core Metrics Dashboard: Track four key metrics—intro meetings, late-stage deals, win rates, and inbound versus outbound pipeline. JOHN'S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB COO @ Growth Assistant VP of Sales @ Lattice Sales Director @ Lattice VP of Sales @ Appcues RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
The top 15 sales tips shared on the podcast in 2024 (full episodes linked below) Prospecting Best Practices: "That's Exactly Why I Called" Response: Use objections as a reason to keep the conversation going (Sara Uy) Presuppose the Problem: Start with, "You've probably looked into X before, huh?" to reduce sales pressure and uncover nuance (Josh Braun) Call Yourself First: Test new phone numbers for spam labeling before dialing prospects (Ken Amar) Effective Email Structure: Combine business initiatives, industry trends, and triggers for personalized, resonant cold emails (Kyle Coleman) Heard the Name Tossed Around Opener: Open with network credibility, then focus on problem-centric pitches (from the "Cold Calling Sucks" book) Discovery & Sales Process Best Practices: Problem Storytelling: Turn problem agreement into a story by asking, "When did you realize this was a problem?" (Charles Muhlbauer) The 1–10 Feedback Question: Ask prospects to rate your demo and explore what would make it a 10 (Steven Bryerton) Don’t Mistake Activity for Achievement: Align sales stages with outcomes (Mark Kosoglow) Use Labels in Negotiations: Diffuse tension by labeling emotions, e.g., "It seems like you just want to get a good deal," to avoid triggering defensiveness (Chris Voss) Lead, Don’t Ask, Mid-Cycle: Overcome indecision by offering clear recommendations and removing irrelevant options (Matt Dixon) Leadership Best Practices: Invert the Hiring Funnel: Sell candidates on the opportunity first, then test skills later (Hiring Playbook) Disarming Transparency in Hiring: Share risks and weaknesses with candidates to surface objections early and build trust (Mark Kosoglow) 20/80 Training Rhythms: Spend 20% of the time introducing new skills and 80% reinforcing them weekly (Training Playbook) Pipeline Squeeze: Ask key questions (e.g., deal size, close date, buyer awareness) to assess pipeline health and socialize results (John Sherer) Document the Wiggle (W.G.L.L): Define "what good looks like," then practice targeted scenarios repeatedly for efficiency (Kevin Dorsey) Thanks sellers for tuning in this year! See you in 2025 with more of the most actionable tips in sales, be sure to subscribe to our weekly newsletter here.
Enjoy this clip from episode 247 w/ Charles Muhlbauer ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Instead of focusing on quantifying pain, ask deeper questions about the problem’s origins and previous solutions, this will naturally reveal the impact Find out if the problem is known and cared about across the company or just by one person Ask easy, non-pushy questions like “Why is that a problem?” to get the prospect to share the impact without feeling pressured Position involving decision-makers as beneficial for them, making it easier to get in front of power PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Founder @ DiscoveryCoach.io Sales Enablement Manager @ AlphaSense Lead Revenue Enablement Manager @ CB Insights Senior Sales Training Manager @ CB Insights RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Prioritize Storytelling: Assess storytelling skills during interviews and coach reps on it. It's a foundational human communication skill that drives sales success. Evaluate Questions Asked: Learn as much from the questions a rep asks as you do from their answers. It reveals their curiosity and understanding. Mock Pitch Preparation: Let candidates pitch your product with basic information provided, such as target personas, company size, and common challenges. Avoid setting them up to fail. Grade with Context: When evaluating candidates, adjust expectations. Benchmark them one level lower than your top AEs to account for their lack of product knowledge. ANDREWS'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Head of Sales @ Superhuman Sr Director of Sales @ Scale AI Head of Global Email Sales & GTM @ Twilio Manager Enterprise Sales @ Twilio RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Leverage POC Momentum: Initiate vendor review at the POC’s peak excitement. Parallel process legal and finance steps to accelerate the deal. Involve Executives in POCs: Require VP-level involvement for POCs. Share examples of risks when executives are excluded to build alignment and trust. Confirm POC Entry Criteria: Secure problem agreement, power alignment, and price understanding before starting a POC to avoid misalignment. Set Realistic Exit Goals: Use achievable metrics, like output benchmarks, within the POC timeframe. Avoid long-term criteria that extend beyond the POC. DEREN'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB SVP of Sales @ JustCall VP WW Sales @ Ambassador Labs Global Head of Data Analytics Sales @ Google Head of Looker North American Sales @ Google RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS If you make a mistake while recording a prospecting video, don't discard it. Send it anyway, as it can add authenticity and still lead to positive outcomes. When you feel the conversation winding down, go straight to asking for the meeting to increase your chances of booking it. After sending a LinkedIn video, start by asking, "What did you think of the video?" followed by "What didn't you like about the video?" to engage prospects. Leverage your last interaction—whether it's a video, voicemail, or previous call—as the reason for your next outreach to create continuity and context. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Sales Director @ Pareto Senior Business Development Manager @ Pareto Senior Account Executive @ Pareto Account Executive @ Pareto Business Development Representative @ Pareto RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
Get your forecasting resources ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Commit Deal Essentials: Reps must report four details for commit deals: dollar amount, close date, economic buyer, and their engagement. If not engaged, share the plan to involve them. Three Forecast Methods: Use a top-down pipeline view, a bottoms-up deal analysis, and AI tools for better forecast accuracy. Combining these improves reliability. Quarterly Milestones: By month one, secure 50% of forecasted deals. Month two should see 60% closed, leading to 100% by month three. Prioritize Best Case Deals: Spend less time on commits with clear criteria. Focus on best-case deals and strategies to convert a few more into wins. TAYLOR'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: VP of Sales @ Xactly RVP, Sales - NA Growth & Commercial @ Xactly RVP, Sales - West & NA Growth Head of GTM @ roOomy RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Streamline Proposals: Remove unnecessary features to cut costs and stand out from competitors with bloated quotes. If prospects need a feature, they’ll request it, giving you control to reintroduce it strategically. Ask Questions on RFPs: Use RFP responses to ask about priorities and requirements, opening the door for discovery and tailoring your response to their needs. Disqualify Early: Disqualify deals if your product isn’t a fit or their problem seems like a “nice-to-have.” Identifying this early saves time and lets you focus on better opportunities. Test Product Gaps: If a feature is missing, ask how critical it is to their goals. Confirm whether this gap is disqualifying or if the deal can move forward. JOHNNY'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB Commercial Account Executive @ Talkdesk Enterprise Sales Development Manager @Talkdesk Team Lead, Enterprise Sales Development @ Mimeo Enterprise SDR @ Mimeo RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Give Johnny a Follow
FOUR ACTIONABLE SALES TAKEAWAYS During demos, connect features shown to insights gathered during Discovery. Address confusion promptly and facilitate discussions rather than relying on your Solutions Consultant. Make your effort visible to prospects when working on the business case. Let them know you're actively involved and invite collaboration, which fosters reciprocity. Refine and finalize your business case incrementally. Use the demo to make the case tangible and save detailed financial discussions for the final business case meeting. When negotiating and faced with a request for a discount, refrain from immediate responses. Silence can be powerful as it prompts the prospect to reconsider or elaborate on their request. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ Webflow Senior Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ Webflow Senior Corporate Account Executive @ Udemy RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
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