Sleep Over with Carolyn and Laila

I relate my story with how an Alchemical community was key to my growth, how I lost that community, and how and why I created WEALTH to replace it.

Carolyn and Laila hang out at a public park and talk loudly about the Witchcraft to Jesus pipeline and how it connects to the Whore of Babylon- plus- the RIGHT way to read the Book of Revelation.

Carolyn and Laila sit down to talk about what mad fever of individuation has them launching BABALON Ekklesia, an astral abbey and online mega-church dedicated to the Whore of Babylon, complete with Mass and Confession. Spoiler: it’s all about that Great Work, baby!Visit https://babalon.theimmortalcollege.com/ to sign up for BABALON Ekklesia today before registration closes on October 22nd, 2025 at midnight Eastern time.

Carolyn helps her friend Neil interpret his dream “the Cosmic Hospital.” You can come hear Carolyn teach more about dreamwork and shadow integration at Ayesha Ophelia’s Dream Lodge event in August - find more info on that event on Ayesha’s instagram. To go deeper into magick, visit theimmortalcollege.com, join our email list and sign up for our offerings.

The first ever episode of the Sleep Over podcast that's also on video! - Carolyn talks with her brilliant mentor, Dr. Robert Dee McDonald, about 3 Common Blocks to communication that wreck havoc in relationships of all kinds, and what can be done to solve them with assertion, empathy, and forgiveness. Dr. Robert shares his wisdom and expertise, and he also shares details about the upcoming Ultimate Communication Skills Workshop in Los, Angeles California, July 12 -14th 2024. To learn more about the Ultimate Communication Skills Workshop and sign up, listeners can email Dr. Robert: robert@teloscenter.com. Here's info from Dr. Robert's flyer for the UCS workshop: ~ Assertion, Empathy & Forgiveness ~ For individuals, couples, coaches, and businesses. Speak Up & Assert Yourself: Be Strong.If you say “Yes” to everything asked of you, if you cannot say “No,” then all your “Yeses” are meaningless, and you are a doormat. Listen with Empathy: Belong.On the other hand, if you say “No” to everything asked of you, if you cannot say “Yes,” then all your “Nos” are powerless, and you are unpleasable. Accept & Forgive: Be Kind.And if you cannot “Let Go,” if you hold on to hurt and anger, you will be unable to heal our wounded heart, and you are unhappy. Self-Confidence: Be New.In a safe context, explore and acquire the Ultimate Communication Skills: How to be open, be closed, forgive & remember, and finally forgive &π forget. “Dr. Robert Dee McDonald is the greatest coach in the world. He resolves people’s long-standing issues in minutes. He is the most stunningly effective coach I’ve ever encountered. Carolyn Lovewell." author of Existential Kink "Dr. Robert Dee McDonald is the best therapist in the world today." You Will Learn Healthy Communication to: • Stand up for yourself • Listen Deeply • Forgive the Unforgivable • Unwind a Painful Memory • Determine Who Owns the Problem • Find Hidden Gifts in Difficult Relationships • Celebrate Self-Love with Real Communication When: July 12, 13 &14, 2024. Fri, Sat & Sun: 9:30am to 6pmWhere: Hilton Garden Inn, 2100 E. Mariposa, El Segundo, CA 90245Early Bird: $2,995 if fully paid by June 1; $3,995 thereafter.CAROLYN LOVEWELL: $2,495 each, if you register now & pay in full Register: Email Robert@TelosCenter.com. This course is a prerequisite for Certification as a Destination Coach. Fees are non-refundable. Written and presented by Dr. Robert Dee McDonald and Dr. Luzette McDonald Author, internationally acclaimed Trainer, founder of The Destination Method and co-founder of The Telos Healing Center, Dr. Robert wrote Tools of The Spirit, a Transpersonal Coaching text, and the best-selling NLP book of all time, The New Technology of Achievement. He has created and taught seminars for over 35 years and has successfully worked with thousands of individuals and couples in 19 countries throughout the world. Dr. Luzette, co-founder of The Telos Healing Center, is an ordained minister and Destination Method Trainer who creates and presents seminars for women in the USA & Europe. All their work is based on the principle that behind every behavior, thought, feeling, fantasy, attitude, and experience are universally acceptable positive purposes seeking self- expression. Carolyn will be at the workshop, and listeners who mention to Dr. Robert that they learned about the Ultimate Communication Skills workshop from Carolyn will receive a $1000 discount on the cost of the event. Listeners can also visit Dr. Robert's website to learn more about his work: https://www.teloscenter.com/

Carolyn sits down on her back patio with Mackenzie Victory-Oatman, a SOMS initiate, PENETRATE graduate, and genius certified Existential Kink coach. Mackenzie shares about her spiritual awakening and what she’s gained in New Aeon consciousness via her journey with Mystery and Existential Kink.

Also on the drive down to the 3rd immersion of SOMS 2024, Neil, the set guy for SOMS, and Carolyn nerd out about the rabbit hole of Whitney Webb’s reporting about the deep state in One Nation Under Blackmail and the foreboding rumors that Neil hear from a friend of his in the intelligence community about a possible 30 day disruption of services in November surrounding the U.S.A. election. … and how it all relates to magick & the Great Work!

Carolyn and Neil, the set guy for Sleep Over Mystery School, talk about modern relationships - including the folly of Twin Flames - on their U-Haul ride down to the 3rd immersion.

Carolyn, Laila, and Rory talk about how Shadow Work, Theurgy, and Expanding Our Capacity to be Present with High Sensation weave together to create a virtuous upward spiral of grounded, profound positive change in our lives - and that’s why they are the pillars of the life-changing work we do in the Immortal College.

Carolyn and Laila talk about the demon Olivia Soprano, the evil eye, and the psychedelic medicine of Dune 2.

Carolyn forces Laila and other friends to nerd out with her about her current obsession: the Hermetic genius mathematician Stan Tenen and his mind- blowing discovery of the exquisite geometric metaphor underlying the pattern of the Hebrew letters in the first verse of Genesis. Those letters form a torroid pattern and the torroid consists in 6 hand-shaped sections. The shadows of the hand form the Hebrew letters (at different angles, also the Arabic and Greek) thus making the first verse of Genesis a “fruit that contains the seed of the fruit in itself.” See Stan Tenen’s Meru Foundation YouTube channel for much more info, including his series “The Alphabet in Our Hands.” Also check out the Meru Foundation website and Stan’s book the Alphabet that Changed the World

Carolyn, Rory, Laila and David dish about the great Hermetic teaching text and comic book Promethea by Alan Moore and how it has benefited their lives and given them magickal hope.

Carolyn and Laila sit down to talk about Babalon and how slutty magick shadow re-collecting power works.

Carolyn and Laila hang out at Laila’s kitchen table and talk about the life-saving magick of EK, the crystallization of Wholeness as Battle Magick — and also, Carolyn evidences live, in real time, her Pooh Bear Siddhi of manifesting sweet treats.

Listen to this if you’re in the mood for a potent distillation of high level magickal knowledge from the Germanic pagan tradition woven into Thelemic and Jungian stuff. Carolyn sits down with her wise husband David Lovewell and their dear friend Frank Cafardi to talk about the Fylgja (the Fetch, anima / animus, HGA) and Hamingja (luck, karma) and how they interact. Carolyn ties it all together at the end to Solomonic magick and the alchemical truths of Harry Potter.

While on vacation in Tulum, Carolyn sits down with Frank Cafardi, who is a steelworker, swordsman, left-hand path Germanic pagan practitioner and also her husband David’s best friend. They talk about Frank’s approach to the Great Work via metallurgy and combat arts.

While Laila sleeps in for some much-needed rest, Carolyn sits down for breakfast at the El Segundo Hilton Garden Inn transdimensional vortex of healing to talk with Dr. Robert and Dr. Luzette McDonald about their Traumatic Memory Resolution Project, designed to help people resolve traumatic memories at online events, en masse. Dr. Robert and Dr. Luzette share dramatic stories of painful memories that they’ve resolved for themselves and for clients and talk about how understanding the true nature of the mind facilitates this kind of healing work.

(First 30 seconds have hiss, after that much better 😇) Carolyn and Laila talk with husbands David and Rory about the magick of honoring your Soul Contract - the perils of straying from the path, and the rewards of submitting to it.

Carolyn & Laila sit down with other initiates of Sleep Over Mystery School and enthusiasts / skeptics of Dr. Robert’s TDM (The Destination Method) to talk about their experiences of deep change and why so many of us have decided to go to Dr. Robert’s upcoming Deep Listening & Transformational Storytelling course, with some of us repeating the course because it’s so dang good. If you’re interested in signing up for it, the event happens in early November 2023 in El Segundo California. You can call Dr. Robert at 714-357-2666 or email him at robert@teloscenter.com to register for the course.

1980s trad wives Carolyn and Laila indulge in their monstrous wrongthink one evening at a local playground, whipping up a festival of disdain for mob rule and sympathy for entertaining alleged evil-doers: Lizzo, Bill Murray, and Russell Brand.