The Whole Therapist

Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch:  https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Whole Therapist Consultation Group: $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering. Topics Touched on:Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/  Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com/  Bonnie Badenoch:  https://www.nurturingtheheart.comWonder With Monthly Consultation Group: email us at wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com to be added to our waitlist! Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner.  Topics Touched on:Somatic Empathy - https://www.somatictransformation.com/Being a Brain-Wise Therapist Workbook - https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31474252947&ref_=ps_ggl_17721428148&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_20to50-_-product_id=COM9780393706390USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw_aemBhBLEiwAT98FMixN99tX7PffYdCCpIgNyqcPMMVLeS5fNzsS_s58hydLkN1qjEjJoBoCrs8QAvD_BwE Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Paris Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.com Marschak Interaction Method (MIM) https://theraplay.org/what-is-theraplay/  Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback.  Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comFlora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfDan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work.  Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comDr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/book/intraconnected-mwe-me-we-as-the-integration-of-self-identity-and-belonging/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community. Topics Touched on:Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comLisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.comOn Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comFire of Love Documentary Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comThe Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making. Topics Touched on:Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-beingWintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/The Keep Going Song by The Bengsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQUpcoming Offerings:Upcoming Coffee and Chat (1.9.23 6:30pmMST) Setting Your Intension for Your Practice: Link to purchase ($11) on the website, or email Abby and Kellee to purchase.   Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client. Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of   “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\  Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and  offer continued discussion of Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives, Part Two!  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use a powerful question offered by Cozolino to guide their conversation, and share personal narratives parts of them hold, in addition to practical applications when working with clients. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\  Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and  explore Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter four to explore the beauty in sitting with deeper client narratives and the need for family of origin work.Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comPlayful Listening Article:https://emergencemagazine.org/practice/playful-listening/  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Come join us as we take a pause on our book series and explore the concept of Structure in the therapy space! Abby and Kellee use their own personal and professional experiences as they reflect on how Structure relates to Boundaries.  They discuss the value to clients and clinicians in holding Structure, and leave some questions for listeners to reflect on in their own lives and practices.Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfUpcoming Offerings:Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Get ready to smile the whole way through! Abby and Kellee use humor and self-reflection as they explore concepts in chapter three like: self-awareness in the therapy space, process over content, tracking themes, and “listening with the third ear.” They discuss imposter syndrome coming up for them as they re-read the book with this community, and of course throw in a great garden analogy.Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfUpcoming Offerings:Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee continue the summer book series and  explore Chapter Two: Therapist Imagination  in  “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter two to explore "shuttling," the need for ongoing consultation, and laughter around engrained assumptions like wearing headphones to record.  Kellee and Abby share the felt sense behind 'trusting the process.' Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee begin to explore chapter one of their summer book series using, “The Development of a Therapist.” They use chapter one to explore how therapists’ and clients’ left and right brain show up in the therapy space. Kellee and Abby share what it means and feels like to use and blend poetry and science for healing purposes. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDavid Whyte: https://davidwhyte.com  Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing SelfTraining in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Share the love! Abby and Kellee explore the benefits for both therapists and clients sharing and receiving resources with each other. They talk through ways to share books with clients and highlight the need to walk alongside clients while they read a book the therapist has recommended. Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of pairing right brain processing when recommending a book to a client.  Topics Touched on:Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory: https://www.amazon.com/Anchored-Befriend-Nervous-System-Polyvagal/dp/1683647068It Didn’t Start with You: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=it+didn%27t+start+with+you&i=stripbooks&sprefix=this+didn%27t+%2Cstripbooks%2C149&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_12Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comDr Dan Seigel: https://drdansiegel.comHafez: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/hafez Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book (follow along on social media to see how you can get a free copy). Send your thoughts to include in future episodes around this book- The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5Training in Texas- Honoring Cellular Stories: An Expressive Deep-Dive into Epigenetics: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com

Abby and Kellee explore making mistakes in the therapy room, and the shame that becomes very alive and present for therapists. They share their own stories of mistakes with clients, the shame they felt, and ways they have learned to regulated through these moments. They also include an audio clip from a professor at a local university who shares his own mistake as an intern therapist and the shame that followed. Abby and Kellee use an IPNB lens to offer compassion to themselves and all therapists regarding the responses to clients that turn into mistakes. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comTimothy Wienecke: https://empoweredchangece.com/contact-me/The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows: https://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Obscure-Sorrows-John-Koenig/dp/1501153641Practicing Mindfulness: https://www.amazon.com/Practicing-Mindfulness-Essential-Meditations-Everyday/dp/1641521716Richard Powers: http://www.richardpowers.net Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com